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Kristen and Jen are joined by Guy Adami and Dan Nathan of CNBC's Fast Money for the fifth installment of "He Said, She Said." The conversation kicks off with the so-called "SaaS Apocalypse" — the brutal selloff across software stocks — and unpacks how the market narrative shifted in just one week from "when will AI spending pay off?" to "what happens when AI destroys your core business?" The group debates whether the repricing is justified or overdone, digs into the credit market spillover with $17.7 billion in SaaS-related loans hitting distressed levels, and discusses what it all means for private credit exposure.

From there, the panel takes on Bitcoin's collapse to $60,000 — roughly half its all-time high — and asks whether the "digital gold" thesis is officially dead now that crypto fell apart while precious metals hit records. They also break down the equity rotation into financials and energy, the irony of banks rallying on AI-driven deal flow while AI-adjacent companies crater, and what enterprise adoption of AI could mean for the hyperscalers longer term.

The episode wraps with a look at Elon Musk's latest consolidation play, SpaceX acquiring xAI ahead of a rumored mega-IPO, and a macro check-in covering weak seasonals, a deteriorating jobs picture, rising 10-year yields, and the historical pattern of markets testing every new Fed chair.

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In this Infrastructure 101 episode, we sit down with Mike Dorrell, co-founder, chairman, and CEO of Stonepeak, to unpack how infrastructure investing evolved from a niche corner of finance into one of the most important asset classes shaping the global economy. We walk through the origins of modern infrastructure investing --- from Macquarie’s early toll road and airport deals in Australia to the rise of private capital stepping in where governments once dominated --- and explain why infrastructure sits at the intersection of private equity, private credit, and project finance. Along the way, we break down what makes these assets unique: high barriers to entry, essential services, regulated cash flows, and long-duration returns.

The conversation digs into the technical mechanics behind infrastructure deals, including project finance structures, equity versus credit exposure, the role of regulation and tax policy, and why governments are both critical partners and key sources of risk. We explore how infrastructure investors analyze energy markets, power pricing, traffic patterns, and permitting risk, and why changes in “the rules of the road” can make or break long-term investments. From municipal bonds to privatized airports, toll roads, utilities, and power plants, this episode connects the financial structures to the real-world systems people rely on every day.

We also tackle the biggest theme driving headlines today: the AI data center boom. Mike explains why AI is accelerating massive investment across digital infrastructure and energy, what it means for power grids and electricity prices, and how investors distinguish between contracted, de-risked data centers and far more speculative builds. Woven throughout is Mike’s personal story --- from growing up in rural Australia to helping build a global infrastructure platform --- and a candid discussion of what it takes to build durable businesses, invest through cycles, and think long term about both capital and legacy.

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Jen Saarbach & Kristen Kelly join the guys to discuss the decline in the US dollar, market sentiment and Gen Z's proclivity for gambling.

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Perhaps the most painful and disturbing episode of Industry yet, this episode asks uncomfortable questions about the way easy access --- whether it be to high finance, drugs, or illicit content online --- reduces human experience to abstraction in a way that causes us all to be disassociated from our own lives. We see shifts in power in the C-suite at Tender that transform our triangles of love and control. Yasmin's position becomes nominally elevated, and she advocates for Hayley's promotion, but is ultimately left wondering who's manipulating whom in their relationship. And while she thought she was at the head of the love triangle with Hayley and Henry, we start to suspect that the real love triangle exists instead between the Mucks and Whitney, with Whitney at the helm. 

Whitney has also figured out how to maneuver Henry into effectively doing his bidding, helping him successfully navigate the launch of Tender's new app. Also, Pierpoint is back, and we get into the finer points of convertible bond issuance vs. "cocos". 

Finally, we see the paths of Jim Dycker and Rishi take a dark turn and ultimately collide. An off-the-cuff remark made by Dycker in the opening seconds about philosopher Soren Kierkegaard comes home to roost as these characters confront dark truths about themselves, culminating in a "leap of faith" that leaves us all hanging on the edge of our seats.

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In this episode, we’re joined by Alicia Levine, Head of Investment Strategy at BNY Wealth, for a wide-ranging conversation on what’s driving markets right now — and what investors should actually do about it. We start by breaking down the real difference between wealth management vs. asset management, then zoom out to the biggest macro theme of the moment: policy volatility across the U.S., Japan, and beyond. Alicia explains why inflation is structurally higher post-COVID, how shifts in Japan’s rates can ripple through global bonds and FX, and why markets react to the rate of change in policy rather than the headlines themselves. We also dig into why gold is surging (and whether or not you can actually monetize “Grandma’s silver”), what’s happening in healthcare stocks, and why equities can still be a strong inflation hedge when growth holds up. Finally, Alicia shares a powerful reminder on long-term investing you won't want to miss, plus practical career and money advice for younger listeners (including the “anti-DoorDash trade”).

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This week on He Said, She Said, CNBC Fast Money stars, Guy Adami and Dan Nathan together with Kristen and Jen from The Wall Street Skinny dive into one of the most overlooked market shocks of the year: a massive, seven standard deviation move in the Japanese bond market. Jen breaks down why the long-assumed era of low inflation and easy monetary policy in Japan may be ending—and what that means for global markets. From failed bond auctions to yield curve dislocations, this is a masterclass in sovereign debt and fiscal risk with insights that apply far beyond Japan.

The group also debates Netflix’s all-cash bid for Warner Bros. Discovery, and why shareholders seem so uneasy about it. Kristen explains the counterintuitive math behind why switching from a stock deal to an all-cash offer actually hurts Netflix’s earnings per share, why Wall Street hates uncertainty, and why shareholders have reason to be skeptical M&A won't destroy shareholder value. After all the same Warner Brothers was the target of the catastrophic 2000s AOL-Time Warner merger that is the poster child for M&A gone bad?

Finally, the gang touches on gold, silver shortages, and the deeper themes driving flight to hard assets. From gold coins in safes to astrology readings in St. John, it’s a whirlwind of macro, M&A, and mayhem—with plenty of jokes (and Dutch oven references) along the way.

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We are BACK with one of the most dense, finance-forward, darkly entertaining episodes of Industry YET. With a title that evokes the theme of "belongings", this episode is all about who belongs in which rooms, who belongs to whom when it comes to control, and what are our characters willing to sacrifice to ultimately get what they want.

We see Eric and Harper's short-only hedge fund struggling to get enough investor buy-in to get off the ground. As Jim Dycker prepares to publish his allegations about Tender’s murky payments business, the episode leans hard into the real risks of short-selling; being right doesn’t matter unless you have timing, proof, and a story the market believes. We unpack the real history of infamous shorts gone awry with the Ackman/Icahn battle over Herbalife in a mini-history lesson you won't want to miss.

But just as much as Harper wants money coming through the doors, she struggles to open up to Eric and Kwabena, both of whom seek closeness on a personal AND professional level. Will Harper ever be able to actually let anyone in? Perhaps Sweetpea, with her mutual love of ethically questionable investigations, is her only true soulmate.

Meanwhile, Tender seeks to acquire an Austrian bank in order to backdoor a European banking license, and the C-suite is forced to confront a bad actor with fascist sympathies. Yasmin takes control of Henry, pushing him to weaponize his trauma, managing regulators through political and media pressure, and inserting herself into rooms where she clearly doesn’t “belong.” In Vienna, what looks like a merger charm offensive veers into something darker, both for the company and Yasmin & Henry's marriage. 

This is where the title’s meaning lands with a punch. In the world of Industry, money, morals, and people themselves have become possessions that can be claimed, traded, and taken away.

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Netflix just announced it plans to revise its Warner Bros. Discovery acquisition offer to an all-cash deal — but why? Wasn’t the bidding war already over? And why did Netflix stock drop after the announcement?

In this episode, Kristen breaks down the latest twist in the Netflix–Warner Bros.–Paramount saga. Paramount is now suing Warner Bros. Discovery, claiming the Netflix offer is vague and potentially undervalued. Meanwhile, Netflix’s original $27.75/share offer, which included a mix of cash and stock, is losing value as Netflix’s stock price drops. The equity portion had a collar to protect WBD shareholders — but with the stock trading below the floor, the effective deal price has lost over $0.50 per share.

We explain:

• Why Netflix is switching to all-cash
• How the mechanics of collars and exchange ratios affect deal value
• Why Wall Street didn’t love the all-cash revision, even though it sounds shareholder-friendly
• The math behind how stock vs. debt financing impacts EPS and acquisition cost
• What to expect next (spoiler: Paramount could still raise its bid)

This is a real-world case study in M&A strategy, capital structure, and valuation. Stick around for the full breakdown.

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Lucy Baldwin, the Global Head of Research at Citigroup, is leading one of the most consequential shifts in how institutional research is done today. In this episode, we unpack how the sell-side research role is being completely redefined, moving beyond spreadsheets and earnings models to incorporate AI, storytelling, and differentiated data sets. Lucy explains why today's best analysts are as much creators and communicators as they are forecasters, and why research that can’t break through the noise is effectively worthless.

We also dig into how Citi is expanding its coverage beyond public equities to include private companies like OpenAI and SpaceX—companies too large and important to ignore, even if they aren’t public. Lucy shares what that research looks like, how Citi is navigating regulatory and disclosure constraints, and why institutional clients are hungry for guidance in the growing universe of private markets. This isn’t research as we knew it 10 years ago—and Lucy gives us a front-row seat to the transformation.

Finally, we discuss how the perception of research on Wall Street is changing. Once viewed as a role that would pigeon hole you in terms of exit opportunities, research is now a launchpad for careers across the buy side, corporates, and private capital. Lucy shares how Citi is rethinking talent development, how AI is helping expand coverage capacity, and why the future belongs to analysts who can combine analytical rigor with creativity, conviction, and clarity of voice.

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In this episode of 'He Said, She Said', Guy Adami, Kristen Kelly & Jen Saarbach dive into the theme of unintended consequences. The discussion begins with Jerome Powell's saga and its implications on the Fed's independence and market reactions, highlighting potential political maneuvers and their backfires. Transitioning to monetary policy, they analyze the complexities of interest rate decisions and the perceptions of Fed control over the yield curve. Shifting to consumer finance, they debate the Biden administration's proposal to cap credit card rates and its potential repercussions on the economy. Corporate drama takes center stage with an in-depth analysis of the bidding war for Warner Brothers, involving Netflix, Paramount, and regulatory hurdles, likened to a real-life 'Succession'. They conclude by addressing headlines about Blackstone's housing market involvement and the impact on prices, underscoring the intricate web of economic policies and market behaviors. The episode wraps with discussions on gold and silver markets, oil prices, and the weakening US dollar, showcasing the multifaceted landscape of global finance.

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00:00 - Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve
06:55 - Credit Card Rates
13:10 - Media Mergers and Industry Drama
21:00 - Real Estate Market

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