The Wall Street Skinny

Kristen and Jen

This podcast is a smart and entertaining peek into the world of investment banking, sales & trading, private equity, hedge funds and more. Hosted by two lifelong friends with a passion for teaching, and over two decades of experience on Wall Street.  Discover the basics, ranging from “what is investment banking?” to “what moves markets?".  Learn about different roles and exit opportunities, and get tips on how to land the job.  Our mission is to make the world of Wall Street accessible to everyone, while keeping things relatable and fun.Whether your goal is to work on Wall Street, or if you have NO idea what any of those things are and just want to learn some basics, this podcast is for you.

  • 1 hour 47 minutes
    135. Industry S2E1 “Daddy”: Block Trades, CDS, Work From Home and Office Politics

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    In this episode of the unofficial companion podcast to HBO Max's hit show "Industry", Jen and Kristen dive into the premiere of Season 2, titled "Daddy." They provide a deep analysis of critical finance concepts such as block trades, sales credits, credit default swaps (CDS), and the impact of market volatility on trading desks. The duo examines how the show accurately portrays the challenges of navigating market disruptions, client relationships, and the competitive dynamics between sales and trading teams.

    A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the show's depiction of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on financial markets. Jen and Kristen offer expert commentary on the logistical challenges faced by trading desks during the market turmoil of 2020, including disaster recovery setups, the rapid adaptation to remote trading, and the implications for risk management and profitability. They also discuss how cultural shifts have altered workplace dynamics and the pressure to produce results in an evolving industry.

    Throughout the episode, Jen and Kristen analyze key plotlines, such as Harper's strategic positioning to land major clients, Robert's journey to assert his role in sales, and Yasmin's navigation of internal politics and client management. They provide sharp insights into the nuanced world of high finance, offering listeners an in-depth look at the industry's complexities and what it takes to succeed. 

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    21 January 2025, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    134. Succeeding as an Equity Long/Short Portfolio Manager & Developing an Investment Thesis

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    In this episode of The Wall Street Skinny, hosts Jen and Kristen sit down with the extraordinary Avery Sheffield, co-founder, Chief Investment Officer, and Senior Portfolio Manager at VantageRock, the long-short equity strategy within Rockefeller Asset Management. In this conversation, Avery distills complex financial strategies and concepts, such as information asymmetry, formulating investment theses, and balancing long and short positions in equity markets. She shares invaluable insights into the intersection of macroeconomic trends and equity valuation.

    Avery’s discussion dives deep into the core mechanics of managing an equity portfolio, including the pivotal role of catalysts in shifting market sentiment and valuation. Her expertise in identifying opportunities amid information overload—what she describes as “seeking asymmetry”—provides a fascinating look into how successful investment strategies are built. Avery also explains how behavioral psychology concepts, like anchoring and herding, influence market dynamics, and how she integrates them into her decision-making process. Her illustrative examples of recent market movements, such as the structural changes in the airline industry, offer listeners actionable takeaways and a clearer understanding of practical investment strategies.

    What sets Avery apart is not just her professional prowess but her ability to manage a high-pressure career alongside raising four young children. As a mother and a leader, she shares her approach to work-life balance, highlighting the power of careful planning, teamwork, and leveraging support systems. 

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    18 January 2025, 11:00 am
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    133. The Skinny on...TikTok Sale-or-Ban, CA Fires & Insurance, & the Biz of Big Banks

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    In this episode of "The Skinny On...", we discuss the looming deadline for a sale or potential ban of TikTok in the United States, and speculate as to who might rescue it with a purchase. We approach the problem through the lens of an Investment Banker, thinking through the comps, valuation metrics, strategic interests, and antitrust implications.

    We also follow up on last week's conversations about the wildfires in California from a homeowner's insurance standpoint, and address the complexities of state-by-state legislation which, while perhaps well-intentioned, has led to disastrous consequences when ti comes to coverage in the impacted areas around LA.

    And finally, we share a personal story about how investment bankers can be pretty dumb when it comes to personal banking. We explain why banks don't pay anything on their deposits relative to their scrappier competitors, and how we almost forgot this ourselves.

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    Public Disclosure: All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Cryptocurrency trading services are offered by Bakkt Crypto Solutions, LLC (NMLS...

    17 January 2025, 2:00 am
  • 1 hour 33 minutes
    132. Industry S1E8: RIF Day " Buy the Dip, Short the VIX, F**K Bitcoin"

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    In this episode, we dive into the financial concepts and themes explored in the Industry season finale, "Reduction in Force." RIF day at PeerPoint brings decisions that reveal the power dynamics between the firm’s old guard and the new wave of leadership. We analyze the mechanics of RIF day, exploring how performance reviews, client relationships, and strategic alliances influence hiring decisions in a competitive environment.

    This episode also unpacks trading floor terminology like market liquidity and circuit breakers. We break down the dynamics of thin liquidity and how it amplifies market volatility, with real-world examples from events like the 1987 crash and the COVID-19 market turbulence. Additionally, we explore the role of sales in finance, debating whether relationship-building and charm can truly compensate for technical expertise.

    Finally, we discuss the broader implications of mentorship, power struggles, and the shifting culture in finance. From the tension between Harper and Daria to Eric's controversial return, we highlight the complexities of leadership styles and career survival in high-pressure roles. Join us as we dissect the intersection of finance, workplace politics, and character development in one of Industry's most pivotal episodes.

    If you're here for the finance or just fascinated by the fast-paced world of investment banking, this episode offers a deep dive into the lessons and realities of life on the trading floor.












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    14 January 2025, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 38 minutes
    131. Drugs & Alcohol on Wall Street + the Business of Beverages w / Carl Radke from Bravo's Summer House!

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    This week, Jen and Kristen dive into the intersection of Wall Street culture, substance use, and sobriety. Joining the conversation is none other than Carl Radke, star of Bravo’s Summer House and entrepreneur reshaping the way we socialize. From his personal journey through addiction and sobriety to launching New York City’s first alcohol-free bar, Soft Bar, Carl brings candid insights and powerful stories to the table.

    The episode kicks off with surprising statistics about shifting drinking habits among Gen Z and a discussion about how Wall Street’s reputation for excess has evolved over the years. Jen and Kristen reflect on their own experiences in the high-stakes finance world—where client dinners, endless vodka sodas, and late-night martinis were once the norm. But times are changing, and Carl offers a fresh perspective on creating meaningful social experiences without alcohol, inspired by his own four-year sobriety journey.

    Carl shares behind-the-scenes stories from Summer House, his role in launching Loverboy’s non-alcoholic offerings, and his vision for Soft Bar—a revolutionary space for mindful socializing. He also touches on broader cultural shifts in client entertainment, wellness trends, and the importance of fostering genuine connections in both business and personal life.

    Whether you’re sober-curious, a reality TV fan, or just love a good story about reinvention, this episode will leave you thinking differently about what it means to mix business with friendship.

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    11 January 2025, 11:00 am
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    130. The Skinny On...Getty/Shutterstock, Bond Selloff, the GSEs, & 5 Day Workweek

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    In this episode of "The Skinny On..." we unpack the history and details behind the recently announced acquisition of Shutterstock by Getty. This is a great case study for anyone wanting to understand which synergies investors prioritize in a merger as we walk through the ownership structure & market implications.

    We then shift gears to talk about the 100 basis point selloff we've seen in 10 year notes since the fall, half of which has occurred over the past thirty days. Will 10 year notes hit 5.00%? And are there any seasonal factors to take into account behind the move?

    Piggybacking off a recent article by Matt Levine, we dive a little into the hoopla around GSE privatization talk, explaining the history of Fannie and Freddie, the conservatorship resulting from the financial crisis, and you'll learn why you should never use the term "bailout" at a cocktail party with Kristen.

    Finally, we react to the news that JPMorgan is requiring everyone back in the office 5 days a week, and muse upon different ways financial firms could potentially leverage a creative, bespoke work schedule to foster the ownership mentality we see ourselves in the startup world.  

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    10 January 2025, 1:00 am
  • 1 hour 33 minutes
    129. Industry S1E7 | Pre Crisis Activity

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    In this episode of 'The Wall Street Skinny,' Jen and Kristen dive deep into the finance-heavy intricacies of HBO Max's hit show 'Industry,' Season 1, Episode 7, aptly titled 'Pre Crisis Activity.' 

    They discuss the ramifications of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis on Wall Street culture, touching upon terms like 'pre-crisis activity' and austerity measures implemented to curb excess and risk-taking. They also break down concepts like sales credits, account consolidation, and the senior relationship management (SRM) role within investment banks. You’ll learn why keeping client relationships transparent is both a strategic tool and a political maneuver within financial firms.

    The conversation takes a turn into the murky waters of clawbacks and deferred compensation, shedding light on these often misunderstood topics. The hosts don't shy away from discussing timely issues like inclusion and diversity (DEI initiatives) in the workplace, while also tackling the dark side of competitive banking environments through real-world examples. This episode isn't just for fans of the show; it's a crash course in some of the most pressing financial issues of our time.

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    7 January 2025, 1:00 pm
  • 1 hour 39 minutes
    128. The Best Kept Secret About Career Success with Valentina Savelyeva

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    In this exciting New Year's episode, Jen and Kristen kick off 2025 with a fresh perspective on achieving career and personal goals. The hosts are joined by Valentina Savelyeva, a former investment banker and top life and career coach, to dive deep into practical strategies and mindset shifts essential for long-term success. Valentina shares her journey from Soviet Russia to Investment banking at JPMorgan to becoming a best-selling author and how setting aligned goals can transform your life.

    Listeners will gain insights into the importance of identifying core values, setting realistic goals, and overcoming mental barriers. The episode highlights tangible tools like creating an 'ideal scene' and utilizing the power of the reticular activating system (RAS) to manifest desired outcomes. The conversation also touches upon the science behind mindset work, making this episode a blend of inspiration and practical advice.

    Whether you’re a student, early in your career, or a seasoned professional, this episode offers valuable tips on aligning your career aspirations with personal fulfillment. Tune in to discover how to harness your unique strengths, tackle procrastination, and design a career path that brings you joy and success. Don't miss out on actionable insights that can help you make 2025 your best year yet!

    Valentina Savelyeva knows what it takes to thrive in the competitive world of corporate finance. A graduate of UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, Valentina launched her career as an investment banking analyst at JPMorgan’s prestigious Technology, Media, and Telecom group—an opportunity that sparked her passion for empowering others to unlock their potential and achieve their career goals.


    But Valentina's journey didn’t start in corporate boardrooms—she immigrated to the U.S. from post-Soviet Russia with limited resources but boundless ambition. Through sheer determination, a positive mindset, and relentless grit, she over

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    4 January 2025, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    127. The Skinny On...H1B Visa Debate, Nordstrom Take-Private, Barclays Layoffs, & Our Favorite Things

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    Welcome to 2025!

    In this episode of "The Skinny On...", we catch up on all our holiday activities before diving right into current financial topics.

    Today we cover the Nordstrom take-private, the debate regarding H1-B visa cap removals and the potential impact on the tech industry, and Barclays firing bankers & traders without bonuses before Christmas.

    We also count down our favorite things from 2024 and predictions for 2025, before sharing our conversation with Neil Blundell from the CAIS Summit discussing the latest exciting fintech innovations in alternative investments and wealth management.

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    2 January 2025, 7:00 pm
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    126. What's Next for the Markets in 2025? feat. Marta Norton

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    2024 has been an incredible year, and we are so grateful for the support of all our listeners!!

    But what can we expect in 2025? Today, we shift our focus to the new year with special guest Marta Norton, Chief Investment Strategist at Empower. 

    Marta shares her insights on the recent Federal Reserve meeting, market expectations, economic trends, potential recession indicators, and the impacts of AI on the tech sector. We discuss equity valuations, the increased interest in private markets, and the ongoing debate around fiscal policy and government debt. 

    Get ready for an in-depth discussion on navigating the uncertain landscape of 2025 with practical advice and long-term investment strategies.

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    Marta Norton has more than 20 years of experience in the investment management industry. Prior to her role at Empower, Marta most recently served as Chief Investment Officer for the Americas at Morningstar. In that role, she helped oversee more than $57 billion in assets under management and advisement and directed strategies aimed at delivering a wide range of investment objectives, from income to capital appreciation.

    Norton held a series of progressively senior leadership positions with Morningstar during her 18-year tenure with the firm. Earlier in her career, Norton served as a research analyst at LECG, LLC and previously worked for the Bureau of Labor Statistics in Washington, DC in support of the agency’s work on the highly watched monthly Producer Price Index, among other projects.

    Known for her exceptional macro-level market commentary and long-term market view, Norton has gained recognition across the financial industry, and appears regularly in the media, including the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, and Bloomberg.

    Norton has a degree in economics from Wheaton College in Illinois and holds the Chartered Financial Analyst designation.

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    28 December 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 11 minutes
    125. Angel Investing: Why a Great Business Isn't Always a Great Investment

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    In this episode of The Wall Street Skinny, we delve  into the world of angel investing. Joined by Matt Naylor and Max Valverde, co-founders of the Milkless podcast, the discussion explores the essentials of evaluating investment opportunities, the importance of liquidity preferences, and the risks and rewards associated with angel investing. Max, a seasoned investor and successful entrepreneur, shares his insightful experiences on what to look for in potential investments, emphasizing the significance of a strong team and clear exit strategies.

    Listeners are guided through critical concepts such as venture debt, the mechanics of raising capital, and strategies for assessing the viability of startups. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding terms like pre-money and post-money valuations and the pivotal role of liquidity preferences in investment decisions. Max and Matt candidly discuss the realities of startup investing, including the immense value of transparency and gut instincts when deciding whether to commit financially to a friend's business venture.

    Moreover, the episode touches on broader financial and entrepreneurial themes, connecting the act of investing in a business to the emotional investment in personal relationships. Through anecdotes and expert advice, the hosts and guests provide an engaging and informative discussion that empowers listeners to navigate the complex landscape of angel investing with confidence. This episode is a must-listen for aspiring investors and anyone interested in the intersection of finance and human relationships.

    Also check out Milkless’s episode #88 here if you want a conversation about talking to your kids about Santa and what happens after death. HERE

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    Public Disclosure: All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Cryptocurrency trading services are offered by Bakkt Crypto Solutions, LLC (NMLS...

    21 December 2024, 10:00 am
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