Season finale.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Featuring:
Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
Albert Perkins

Resources:

• Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
• How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
• The New York Times
• The Harvard Political Review
• The National Institutes for Health
• The National Institues for Health
• The American Psychological Association
• The Harvard University Press
• The Hill
• The Trevor Project
• The Human Rights Campaign

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Music by: Adi Goldstein
Featured music by: Frank Ocean

To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
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Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Perfume Genius

At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Resources:

• Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
• The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
• The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561

Featuring:
Albert Perkins

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Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright

Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark 
With additional research by: Kaz

Featuring:
• Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential
• Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever

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Music by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Chris Garneau

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
With additional research by: Kaz
Audio editing by Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast)

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
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Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott?
• Newspapers.com
• CNN.com
• Equity Florida Action, Inc

Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book
Featured music by: Owen Pallett

Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names.


This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
With additional research by: Kaz
Featuring: Jason Leroy (The Binge Movie Podcast)


This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
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Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• Uncovered
• The Tampa Bay Times
• Newspapers.com
• The Albuquerque Journal
• Amnesty International


Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Yotam Agam, Theatre of Delays, Grisly Bill, and Benjamin Esterlis
Featured music by: Jacob Fossum

On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by: Kaz.
Featuring: Eric Schmidt and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential).

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
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Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• Uncovered
• Clearwater Police Department
• The Tampa Bay Times: 1 2 3

Music by: Colour Book, Yehezkel Rez, Roniit, Raz Burg, Raz Burg, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Josef Salvat

Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).

This month's news:
• New tours and events
• Unsafe Spaces update
• The Karen & Ellen Letters update
• True Crime Bullsh** update
• New projects
• Our Americana update
• Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October
• What's happening on Patreon this month

Links:
• True Crime Podcast Festival, use promo code JOSH for 15% off
• Studio BOTH/AND Patreon

Unsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest.

In Season One: Tampa’s Missing Men, I explore how two different missing persons cases, reported on the same day, opened a Pandora’s Box of unreported assaults, cold missing persons cases, ignored rapes, and unsolved murders within Florida’s gay community; and the two men who could be responsible for all of them. Not to mention cold cases of missing gay and murdered men in Georgia, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and beyond.

Check out Unsafe Spaces: www.UnsafeSpacesPodcast.com

Josh is heading out on the road. Catch him at:

The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27)
www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com

A casual Happy Hour in Tampa, Florida (9/10)
www.bothand.fyi/tour

Obsessed Fest in Dallas, Texas (10/20-10/22)
www.obsessedfest.com

& Coming Soon:
A Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party in North Adams, Mass.

The finale.

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.

Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe, and Stacxk.