In the final episode of the 2025 Frieze Masters Podcast, artist Antony Gormley and curator Arturo Galansino discuss how sculpture can help us reconnect with our bodies and the world around us. Gormley asks, 'how can we make it about feeling and collective futures – rather than particularly powerful individuals?' 'How can we make it intimate again?'

Sir Antony Gormley CH OBE RA is a British sculptor. His works include the Angel of the North (1998), a public sculpture in Gateshead, UK. He is joined by Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Palazzo Strozzi Foundation in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl

Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

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'Every time you put a mark on a painting and you can't take it off, you are running the risk of destroying the painting,' says artist Glenn Brown. 'But that's what makes it exciting to paint.'

In the sixth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025, British artist Glenn Brown – who has pioneered the use of visual appropriation in his work – and curator Arturo Galansino discuss the jeopardy and excitement of mark-making, and what it means to collect, display and distort the work of old masters.

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About the speakers

Glenn Brown CBE is a British contemporary artist known for the use of appropriation in his paintings. His solo presentation was also a highlight of the Studio section at Frieze Masters 2025. He is joined by Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Palazzo Strozzi Foundation in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

Listen now on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

Image credit: detail, Glenn Brown, Rabbit Hole, 2025. Acrylic and India ink on panel, 30 x 20 inches (76.2 x 50.6 cm). Framed: 40 x 29 3/4 x 2 inches (101.4 x 75.4 x 5 cm © Glenn Brown, Photo: The Brown Collection, Courtesy the artist and Gagosian

Is fashion art? Curators Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Arturo Galansino discuss the overlapping histories of fashion and art, and how contemporary designers are reconfiguring fashion's place in culture.

'Art, going back to the Renaissance, is emotional. It's intellectual, is apart from the body even as they paint are painting real life.' says Way. 'The Pre-Raphaelites and the arts and crafts movement took high art down from the wall and put it on the body, in their homes, in their lives.'

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About the speakers

Émilie Hammen is a fashion historian and director of Palais Galliera, Paris. Elizabeth Way is a writer and curator at the Museum of Fashion, Institute of Technology, New York. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

Listen now on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

Image: Issey Miyake for Pleats Please and Yasumasa Morimura, Guest Artists Series No. 1 printed polyester dress, fall 1996, japan. Gift of Issey Miyake, Pleats Please Issey Miyake, Guest Artist Series 1, Yasumasa Morimura On Pleats Please ©The Museum at FIT

'Bahadur Shah Zafar writes poetry in six different languages and through the sheer brilliance of his example, he provokes this last great renaissance in Delhi.' – William Darymple

In the fourth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025, writer and broadcaster William Dalrymple discusses the art, poetry and politics of the last Mughals with curator Arturo Galansino. Together, they uncover the lesser-known histories of one of the defining chapters in the history of the Indian subcontinent – challenging colonial narratives and exploring what survives of the Mughals' legacy today.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

About the speakers

William Dalrymple is a historian, broadcaster and writer. He is joined by Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

Listen now on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

Image credit: Ghulam Murtaza Khan, Akbar II in darbar with the British Resident Charles Metcalfe, ca. 1811-15. Cincinnati Art Museum, The William T. and Louise Taft Semple Collection, 1962.458

The Image of the Black archive at The Warburg Institute comprises more than 30,000 images documenting representations of people of African descent from antiquity to the civil rights era. In 2025, images from this collection were shown in public for the first time as part of 'Black Atlas', an exhibition and moving-image essay directed by Edward George and produced by Matthew Harle – Arturo Galansino's guests on the third episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025. Together, they discuss the legacy of Black imagery and its ability to reveal more than the creator's intention. The archive has its 'an infinite potential because of its unfinishedness,' says Harle, 'it has its own energy.'

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

'Black Atlas' is on view at The Warburg Institute, London, 10 October 2025 – 17 January 2026

About the speakers

Edward George is a writer, broadcaster and the founder of Black Audio Film Collective. Matthew Harle is a writer, curator and The Warburg Institute's curator of artistic programmes. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

Listen now on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

When Mark Rothko visited Fra Angelico's frescoes at the convent of San Marco in Florence, he was 'overwhelmed,' recounts his son, the psychologist and writer Christopher Rothko. 'That's what he wanted for his viewer,' says Rothko, 'to look at his artwork as sources of inspiration, spirituality and contemplation.'

In the second episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025, Christopher Rothko is in conversation with curator and art historian Carl Strehlke and Arturo Galansino, director general of Palazzo Strozzi, to discuss the affinity between Rothko's abstract expressionism and the Italian renaissance, ahead of a landmark show of Rothko's work in Florence in 2026.

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'Rothko in Florence' is on view at Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi, Florence, 14 March – 26 July 2026

About the speakers

Christopher Rothko is a writer, psychologist and son of artist Mark Rothko. He has written extensively on his father's legacy. Carl Strehlke is an art historian and curator of the Philadelphia Museum of Art. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

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'My discovery of early Renaissance art was completely by accident in the National Gallery, by just walking down a few more stairs...I'd stay there for about an hour, and then I would come out, I'd close my eyes, and as I pushed the doors, I would imagine my paintings'. –Tracey Emin

In the first episode of the 2025 Frieze Masters Podcast, artist Tracey Emin, Nicholas Cullinan (director, British Museum), and their host Arturo Galansino (Director General, Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi) discuss their early experiences and evolving relationships within the arts, delving into topics such as intimacy and feelings of safety in the context of an institution, overcoming class struggle and illness, and speaking the truth.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

Full transcript available at frieze.com

Dame Tracey Emin OBE is one of the most important contemporary artists of her generation, known for her autobiographical and confessional work. Nicholas Cullinan OBE, art historian and curator has been the Director of the British Museum since 2024, and prior to that was appointed the 12th Director of the National Portrait Gallery from 2015. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino - art historian, curator, and Director General of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence, and the curator of this year's Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of the Palazzo Strozzi Foundation in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

'When you make a painting, you want to make a good painting. You are more interested in the composition of the things, than in the precise description of the things.' – Nathalie Du Pasquier

In the seventh and final episode of Series 3 of the Frieze Masters Podcast, artist Nathalie Du Pasquier, architect Annabelle Selldorf and Curator Abraham Thomas discuss the plasticity of the creative environment, and the collisions and contrasts between the visions of artists, architects and curators.

Nathalie du Pasquier is an artist and co-founder of the Memphis design group in the 1980s; Annabelle Selldorf of Selldorf Architects has a global practice with expertise in complex cultural projects, including museums and temporary structures such as Frieze Masters; and Abraham Thomas is the Daniel Brodsky Curator of Modern Architecture, Design and Decorative Arts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

Full transcript available at frieze.com

About Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast in collaboration with dunhill is back for 2024, bringing you the annual Frieze Masters Talks programme recorded during this year's fair. The series of seven discussions was curated by Sheena Wagstaff and Shanay Jhaveri, with the title 'The Creative Mind', and features 21 intergenerational and international speakers exploring how the art of the past can help make sense of the present.

The series includes topics 'The State We're In', 'The Faces of Community' and 'The Power of Painting', with speakers ranging from artists – NairyBaghramian, Jeremy Deller, Nathalie Du Pasquier, Shirazeh Houshiary, Mark Leckey, Glenn Ligon, Ming Smith – to curators such as Gabriele Finaldi, Glenn Lowry and Victoria Siddall, plus writers, thinkers, architects and politicians.

About Frieze

Frieze is the world's leading platform for modern and contemporary art, dedicated to artists, galleries, collectors and art lovers alike. Frieze comprises three magazines – 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘻𝘦, Frieze Masters Magazine and Frieze Week; five international art fairs – Frieze London, Frieze Masters, Frieze New York, Frieze Los Angeles and Frieze Seoul; and No.9 Cork Street, a permanent gallery space in the heart of London.

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'If I can let the viewer stand in front of my painting and question – if they can ask a question – this is success.' – Glenn Ligon

How does the written and spoken word relate to the visual language of painting, sculpture and installation? To discuss this connection and the power and potential of poetry, the sixth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast brings together artists Glenn Ligon and Dia al-Azzawi and Chisenhale Director Zoé Whitley.

Glenn Ligon is a New York-based artist whose career has explored history, literature and society through painting and conceptual art; Dia al-Azzawi is now a central figure in the development of modernist art in the Arab world; and Zoé Whitley is Director of the non-profit Chisenhale Gallery in London.

Full transcript available at frieze.com.

About Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast in collaboration with dunhill is back for 2024, bringing you the annual Frieze Masters Talks programme recorded during this year's fair. The series of seven discussions was curated by Sheena Wagstaff and Shanay Jhaveri, with the title 'The Creative Mind', and features 21 intergenerational and international speakers exploring how the art of the past can help make sense of the present.

The series includes topics 'The State We're In', 'The Faces of Community' and 'The Power of Painting', with speakers ranging from artists – NairyBaghramian, Jeremy Deller, Nathalie Du Pasquier, Shirazeh Houshiary, Mark Leckey, Glenn Ligon, Ming Smith – to curators such as Gabriele Finaldi, Glenn Lowry and Victoria Siddall, plus writers, thinkers, architects and politicians.

About Frieze

Frieze is the world's leading platform for modern and contemporary art, dedicated to artists, galleries, collectors and art lovers alike. Frieze comprises three magazines – 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘻𝘦, Frieze Masters Magazine and Frieze Week; five international art fairs – Frieze London, Frieze Masters, Frieze New York, Frieze Los Angeles and Frieze Seoul; and No.9 Cork Street, a permanent gallery space in the heart of London.

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'What's left for art? Art can offer ritual and ceremony, a communal place where bodies can gather. It's a place where things can happen visually, musically, sonically, and in dance and with the voice.' – Mark Leckey

In the fifth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast, artist Mark Leckey, curator Polly Staple and Director of Art Fund Jenny Waldman reflect on the legacy and future of British art and discuss how it might expand its reach to engage young and underrepresented audiences.

Mark Leckey is a Turner Prize-winning artist whose work is infused with popular culture, memory and experience; Polly Staple is Director of Collection, British Art, at Tate; and Jenny Waldman CBE is Director of Art Fund.

Full transcript available at frieze.com

About Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast in collaboration with dunhill is back for 2024, bringing you the annual Frieze Masters Talks programme recorded during this year's fair. The series of seven discussions was curated by Sheena Wagstaff and Shanay Jhaveri, with the title 'The Creative Mind', and features 21 intergenerational and international speakers exploring how the art of the past can help make sense of the present.

The series includes topics 'The State We're In', 'The Faces of Community' and 'The Power of Painting', with speakers ranging from artists – Nairy Baghramian, Jeremy Deller, Nathalie Du Pasquier, Shirazeh Houshiary, Mark Leckey, Glenn Ligon, Ming Smith – to curators such as Gabriele Finaldi, Glenn Lowry and Victoria Siddall, plus writers, thinkers, architects and politicians.

About Frieze

Frieze is the world's leading platform for modern and contemporary art, dedicated to artists, galleries, collectors and art lovers alike. Frieze comprises three magazines – 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘻𝘦, Frieze Masters Magazine and Frieze Week; five international art fairs – Frieze London, Frieze Masters, Frieze New York, Frieze Los Angeles and Frieze Seoul; and No.9 Cork Street, a permanent gallery space in the heart of London.

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@friezeofficial

'Isn't to exhibit to historicize?' – Julian Rose

Artist Nairy Baghramian, Director of the Museum of Modern Art Glenn Lowry and historian Julian Rose all have extensive experience of presenting art in public places and thinking about civic spaces. In the fourth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast, they come together to rethink the role and design of museums in shaping cultural exchange.

Nairy Baghramian is an artist whose sculptures offer new ways to address the architectural, social and political conditions of contemporary culture; Glenn Lowry is director of the Museum of Modern Art in New York; and Julian Rose is a historian of art and architecture, exploring the design of art museums.

Full transcript available at frieze.com

About Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast in collaboration with dunhill is back for 2024, bringing you the annual Frieze Masters Talks programme recorded during this year's fair. The series of seven discussions was curated by Sheena Wagstaff and Shanay Jhaveri, with the title 'The Creative Mind', and features 21 intergenerational and international speakers exploring how the art of the past can help make sense of the present.

The series includes topics 'The State We're In', 'The Faces of Community' and 'The Power of Painting', with speakers ranging from artists – NairyBaghramian, Jeremy Deller, Nathalie Du Pasquier, Shirazeh Houshiary, Mark Leckey, Glenn Ligon, Ming Smith – to curators such as Gabriele Finaldi, Glenn Lowry and Victoria Siddall, plus writers, thinkers, architects and politicians.

About Frieze

Frieze is the world's leading platform for modern and contemporary art, dedicated to artists, galleries, collectors and art lovers alike. Frieze comprises three magazines – 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘻𝘦, Frieze Masters Magazine and Frieze Week; five international art fairs – Frieze London, Frieze Masters, Frieze New York, Frieze Los Angeles and Frieze Seoul; and No.9 Cork Street, a permanent gallery space in the heart of London.

www.frieze.com

@friezeofficial