Peter and Michael discuss "Surrounded by Idiots," a book that dares to ask: Can the mystery of human relationships be unraveled by a workplace personality assessment?

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• Pioneers, Drivers, Integrators, and Guardians
• Creator of Lie Detector Test Dies; Lecturer and Author Produced Comic Strip
• One of Sweden's biggest scientific bluffs 
• Pseudoscience and the Claim of Practical Utility: The Case of Thomas Erikson's Surrounded by Idiots
• Thomas Erikson accepts being called a pop psychology writer
• Four personality types may be neither robust nor exhaustive
• Spuriouser and spuriouser: The use of ipsative personality tests
• Reconsidering the use of personality tests in personnel selection contexts
• Using Personality Tests in Pre-Employment Screening
• Employment Tests and Selection Procedures 
• The Cult of Personality Testing
• A history of the early days of personality testing in American industry: an obsession with adjustment  
• Psychological Testing in Personnel Selection, Part II: The Refinement of Methods and Standards in Employee Selection
• Psychological Testing in Personnel Selection, Part III: The Resurgence of Personality Testing
• ACLU Files Discrimination Complaint Against CVS 
• Target Corporation to Pay $2.8 Million to Resolve EEOC Discrimination Finding
• Personality Tests Are the Astrology of the Office
• The $2 Billion Question of Who You Are at Work

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In 1993, a desperate man stumbled into a remote village in the foothills of the Karakoram mountains. After the residents nursed him back to health, he placed his hands on the village elder's shoulders and made a sacred promise. "Somehow," he said, "I am going to get some private jet reimbursements out of this." 

Warning: Contains spoilers for the 2016 film "Arrival." 

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• Three Cups of Deceit
• “60 Minutes” expose
• 3000 Cups of Deceit
• Books vs Bombs? Humanitarian development and the narrative of terror in Northern Pakistan
• Delusional States
• Can't Get There From Here
• Nobel Prize Nominee’s Charity Wins No Award for Accountability
• David Oliver Relin, Adventurous Journalist, Dies at 49
• What Mortenson Got Wrong
• Three Cups of Tea: The Pakistan and Afghan side
• 3 Lessons to Learn From Greg Mortenson 
• Mortenson returns to Afghanistan
• The naive republic of aid: Grassroots exceptionalism in humanitarian memoir
• Religious School Enrollment in Pakistan: A Look at the Data
• If you build it, will they come?
• What Really Works to Improve Learning in Developing Countries?
• The madrassa scapegoat

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You know that book your friend recommended? The one that rigorously describes the science of trauma, de-stigmatizes abuse and promotes effective treatments? Well here’s the thing: It doesn't actually do that.

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• What the Most Famous Book About Trauma Gets Wrong
• Trauma: A Genealogy
• Remembering Trauma
• Advocates of Research-Supported Treatments for PTSD are Losing 
• Tell Me Why It Hurts
• ‘The Body Keeps the Score’ offers uncertain science
• Your Brain Is Not an Onion With a Tiny Reptile Inside  
• PTSD and complex PTSD: a review of reviews
• What Does It Mean When 38% Forget?
• Multiple Identity Enactments and Multiple Personality Disorder: A Sociocognitive Perspective
• The Brain Is Adaptive Not Triune

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Peter and Michael discuss "Think And Grow Rich," the 1937 classic written by a lifelong fraudster who finds his final mark: You.

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• The Untold Story of Napoleon Hill, the Greatest Self-Help Scammer of All Time
• A Lifetime of Riches
• How to Lose Friends and Alienate People
• How a Different America Responded to the Great Depression
• The Psychic Scandal
• How Trump Turned The Power of Positive Thinking Into Delusion

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In 2013, education reformers tried to help poor students the using the best tool at their disposal: The 16th most popular Ted Talk.

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• Much Ado About Grit
• What Shall We Do About Grit?
• Grit under attack
• Teaching “Grit”
• The Problem With Grit
• The Limits of “Grit”
• Grit: The power of passion and perseverance
• Is 'Grit' Doomed To Be The New Self-Esteem?
• Measurement Matters
• Using Psychological Science to Help Children Thrive
• Self-Control and Academic Achievement
• Cognitive and noncognitive predictors of success
• Should non-cognitive skills be included in school accountability systems?
• Measuring Students’ Non-Cognitive Skills and the Impact of Schooling
• Grit: A Short History of a Useful Concept
• Teaching Kids 'Grit' is All the Rage.
• "Grit" Revisited
• Character Education: A Cautionary Note
• What if the Secret to Success Is Failure?
• The Effects of the EITC on Child Achievement
• Academic Performance And Food Stamps

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Peter went on Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase, to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys.

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• The 4-Hour Body
• Does Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence 
• New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life! 
• The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called Yourself

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Peter and Michael discuss "Bullshit Jobs" by anarchist anthropologist David Graeber. The result: two professional podcasters debating which jobs are real and which jobs are fake.

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• On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs: A Work Rant
• 37% of British workers think their jobs are meaningless
• Average Annual Hours Worked by Persons Engaged for United States
• The times they are not changin’: Days and hours of work in Old and New Worlds, 1870–2000
• ‘Bullshit’ After All? Why People Consider Their Jobs Socially Useless
• Alienation Is Not ‘Bullshit’: An Empirical Critique of Graeber’s Theory of BS Jobs
• Many people feel they work in pointless ‘bullshit’ jobs, research confirms
• The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure 
• Study: Leisure Time Declines
• USA Consumption as percent of GDP
• The Significance of Task Significance: Job Performance Effects, Relational Mechanisms, and Boundary Conditions
• Task significance and meaningful work: A longitudinal study
• Americans’ job satisfaction in 2024

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It turns out that the key to wealth is buying the right kind of watch, marrying the right kind of wife and being the right kind of white.

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• Uneasy Street
• A Century of Wealth In America
• Family, Education, and Sources of Wealth among the Richest Americans, 1982–2012
• Wealth Elite Moralities
• The insane growth of America’s millionaire class
• The Extraordinary Rise In The Wealth Of Older American Households
• Planning & Progress Study 2025
• Striking Out on Their Own: The Self-Employed in Bankruptcy
• How Many Households Meet The Net Worth Guidelines Of The Millionaire Next Door?
• Paying Tribute to Thomas Stanley and His ‘Millionaire Next Door’
• Pity the Billionaires
• What Rich Women Want
• The deserving or undeserving rich?
• The Evolution of Top Incomes

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The boys catalog the definitive worst takes of the year, from the pundits who misunderstood our political moment to a guy who wants to have sex with a computer.

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The boys continue their discussion of Walter Isaacson's "Elon Musk." This is the part where Elon loses his mind. 

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• From self-proclaimed ‘socialist’ to Team Trump and DeSantis: Elon Musk’s curious politics revealed  
• The Quiet Political Rise of David Sacks, Silicon Valley’s Prophet of Urban Doom
• Elon Musk biographer admits suggestion SpaceX head blocked Ukraine drone attack was wrong 
• Elon Musk's Daughter on Dad's Biography: 'Sad Excuse for a Puff Piece'
• Character Limit
• Twitter fulfilling more government censorship requests under Musk 
• Elon Musk booed for nearly 5 minutes straight at Dave Chappelle show in San Francisco 
• New CNN Chief Trying to Please GOP Elite 
• Research finds more than 14 million preventable deaths by 2030 if USAID defunding continues, including more than 4 million children under five
• What the data says about Social Security 
• Trump Administration, DOGE Activities Risk SSA Operations and Security of Personal Data

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A biography that dares to ask: Is a lifetime of worker abuse and narcissism worth it to experience robot butlers?

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• What Elon Musk Gets Wrong about South Africa
• Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather 
• Elon Musk claims he was once one of the best Quake players around
• Watch Elon Musk Talk About Being an ‘Illegal Immigrant’ in Video From 2013 
• Elon Musk’s dad Errol says he can ‘prove’ existence of emerald mine in new bombshell claim revealing its location 
• How Elon Musk Went from Superhero to Supervillain 
• The Believer
• Elon Musk: The Architect of Tomorrow 
• How Elon Musk Plans on Reinventing the World (and Mars)
• Tesla factory workers reveal pain, injury and stress: 'Everything feels like the future but us' | Tesla
• Hundreds of Tesla workers tested positive for the virus after Elon Musk reopened a plant, data shows
• Inside Tesla as Elon Musk Pushed an Unflinching Vision for Self-Driving Cars 
• Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer testifies
• Elon Musk Says His 'Running Robot' Will 'Actually Eliminate Poverty' As He Shares Video Of Tesla Optimus Jogging 
• Elon Musk Wants ‘Strong Influence’ Over the ‘Robot Army’ He’s Building 
• There’s a Very Simple Pattern to Elon Musk’s Broken Promises

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