The Next Level

The Bulwark

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. http://www.thebulwark.com

  • 1 hour 14 minutes
    1068: Kristi Noem’s Husband Isn’t the Problem

    Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL get into the wild new scandal involving Kristi Noem’s husband—and why the story isn’t what people think it is.

    They also discuss Trump’s chaotic handling of the Iran conflict, the political fallout at home, and whether his support is starting to crack. Plus: Lindsey Graham’s surreal Disney detour, protests across the country, CPAC’s decline, and JD Vance’s latest reinvention.

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    1 April 2026, 12:02 am
  • 35 minutes 23 seconds
    1067: Secret Podcast: Trump Won’t Stop—Because He Can’t Look Weak
    JVL and Bill Kristol—filling in for Sarah—discuss escalating Iran conflict, the risky push toward a wider war, and why the real damage may outlast the fighting. They also get into the global fallout—from threats to the petrodollar system to the collapse of U.S. alliances—and what a rushed exit might look like.
    27 March 2026, 10:00 pm
  • 1 hour 7 minutes
    1066: How Much Pain Before MAGA Turns on Trump?

    Tim Miller, JVL and Sam Stein (filling in for Sarah) discuss Trump’s shambolic approach to the Iran war—no clear objective, mixed signals, and rising economic fallout. As gas prices climb and markets wobble, they ask whether the political damage has already begun, even if the polls haven’t fully caught up.

    Plus: signs of a potential MAGA fracture, ICE at airports, a look inside the grift behind Project 2025, and a disturbing interview with Greg Bovino.

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    24 March 2026, 11:14 pm
  • 48 minutes 16 seconds
    1065: Even Trump’s Cheerleaders Are Saying “Oops”

    Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL were live in Austin talking about Trump’s Iran war, the cascading economic fallout, and growing global instability. As gas prices spike and allies react, the conversation turns darker: how bad could this get—and what it says about America right now.

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    20 March 2026, 10:57 pm
  • 16 minutes 57 seconds
    1064: Trump Is About to Own a Disastrous Middle East War | Secret Podcast

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    JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the Trump administration’s stumble into an Iranian conflict that betrays its "no more wars" promise. They analyze the sudden resignation of Joe Kent over foreign wars, Tulsi Gabbard’s surreal FBI testimony regarding Fulton County ballots, and the looming "bloodbath" within a fracturing Republican coalition.

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    19 March 2026, 11:30 pm
  • 29 minutes 6 seconds
    1063: Secret Podcast: Would You Trust These Idiots With a War?

    Sarah Longwell and JVL talk about what happens if Trump doesn't TACO and pull the plug on the Iran war excursion after things go from messy to bad. Not great!

    Also: What happens if we know how to reform the system, but the system is so ossified that it can't be reformed? And are The People, in fact, the worst?

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    13 March 2026, 11:15 pm
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    1062: LIVE REACTION: Trump Doesn’t Understand His Own War | The Next Level

    Sarah, Tim and JVL are going LIVE to talk about the escalating air war with Iran and the chaos and dishonesty of Trump’s shifting explanations for it.

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    10 March 2026, 7:42 pm
  • 32 minutes 4 seconds
    1061: Secret Podcast: Did Stephen Miller Just Pull Off a Palace Coup?
    JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the chaotic firing of Kristi Noem after a disastrous hearing, the MAGA infighting that may have taken her down, and what it says about how Trump runs his administration. They also talk about the war with Iran—why the strategy looks confused, how Tehran may be playing the long game, and why the economic fallout is already hitting gas prices, supply chains, and the global economy.
    6 March 2026, 10:00 pm
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    1060: TNL Live! Iran War Nukes MAGA

    Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Tim Miller are going live to talk about the shifting mood around the Iran strikes—how casualties could change the politics, whether 2026 is starting to feel like 2006, and if Trump’s “just do stuff” approach has hit a wall (with JD already hedging). Also: the latest Democratic freakout over Graham Platner’s campaign.

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    3 March 2026, 9:27 pm
  • 26 minutes 47 seconds
    1059: Secret Podcast: War with Iran and the Takeover of CNN

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    The U.S. government is ordering employees out of Israel and Iraq, the latest signal that war with Iran is approaching. Larry and David Ellison just bought Warner-Discovery and CNN. 

    Sarah and JVL also talk about the new John Fetterman in Maine and the primary in Texas. As well as the Kansas law targeting trans people.

    Finally, they go deep on DHS, depraved indifference, and accountability. (See the piece JVL talks about here.)

    Bonus: Pinball discourse.

    28 February 2026, 1:35 am
  • 1 hour 1 minute
    1058: They’re Hiding the Epstein Files to Protect Trump

    Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL run through a packed episode: explosive new questions about the Epstein files and whether Trump’s DOJ is shielding him, the Supreme Court’s tariff ruling (and the three justices who would green-light almost anything), and what it means for the midterms. They also discuss Kristi Noem’s completely fabricated “cannibal” story, Laura Loomer pressuring Trump to go after Netflix, Make-a-Wish kid Kash Patel, and the messy Senate primary in Texas.

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    25 February 2026, 12:18 am
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