On Humans

Ilari Mäkelä

What kinds of animals are we? The On Humans Podcast features conversations with leading scholars about human nature, human condition, and the human journey. These conversations build bridges between scientific research and humanistic enquiry, bringing fresh insights into questions such as: Where do we come from? What brings us together? Why do we love? Why do we destroy? The show is hosted by Ilari Mäkelä, a London-based science communicator with a background in Psychology and Philosophy, both Western (BA, Oxford) and Eastern (MPhil, Peking University).

  • 58 minutes 40 seconds
    The Original Affluent Society? Lessons from 60-Years of "Man the Hunter" Research ~ Richard B. Lee

    What was life like before farming? Was it nasty, brutish, and short? Or did our hunter-gatherer ancestors live lives that were relatively free, affluent, and ecologically stable?

    In the lack of a time machine, many anthropologists have sought answers from studying the few hunter-gatherer communities that still exist today. In 1966, several leading names in the field were invited to present their results at a symposium at the University of Chicago. This “Man the Hunter” conference became a landmark event, but what exactly were the results? And have they stood the test of time? 

    To mark the 60th anniversary of the "Man the Hunter" symposium, On Humans is glad to share the first-ever long-form podcast with the legendary anthropologist and co-organiser of the symposium, Richard B. Lee. We discuss the legacy of the conference, Lee’s own experiences living with hunter-gatherers in the Kalahari, and his reflections on what we do and do not know about the ancient lifeways of hunter-gatherers. As we do so, we also discuss various controversies and mysteries, from women's roles to Native American farmers, and from archaeological black holes toThe Dawn of Everything.

    Enjoy!


    FACT-CHECKING

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    LINKS

    Support: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Get in touch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8⁠⁠⁠


    MENTIONS

    The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race (Jared Diamond) https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-of-the-human-race-12157

    The Original Affluent Society (Marshall Sahlins) https://www.uvm.edu/~jdericks/EE/Sahlins-Original_Affluent_Society.pdf

    For my previous coverage on “woman the hunter” controversies, see “Is Man the Hunter Dead” and my interviews with Cara Ocobock and Katie Starkweather, all available here: ⁠https://onhumans.substack.com/p/is-man-the-hunter-dead⁠

    For Richard Lee's own comments on the controversy, see his interview with Vivek Venkataraman ⁠https://osf.io/x7ar3_v1/

    Names: Richard B. Lee | James Suzman | Marshall Sahlins | David Graeber | David Wengrow | Jared Diamond | Sarah Blaffer Hrdy | Jerome Lewis | Colin Turnbull | James Woodburn | Eleanor Leacock | Louis Henry Morgan | Karl Marx | George Armelagos | Irvin DeVore | Sherwood Washburn | Jay Desmond Clark | Harriet Rosenberg | Lawrence K. Marshall | Elizabeth Marshall | John Marshall | Greta Thunberg | Vivek Venkataraman

    Ethnic groups: San | Ju/’hoansi | !Kung | Khoisan | Khoikhoi | “Bushmen” | “Hottentots” | First Nations | Tlingit | Haida | Inuit | Australian Aboriginal peoples | Bayaka| Batek | Huron-Wendat | Iroquois | Six Nations | Plains Indians | Hopi | Navajo | Cherokee

    KEY WORDS

    anthropology | archaeology | ethnography | human origins | human behavioural ecology | hunter-gatherers | paleolithic | neolithic transition | original affluent society | Kalahari Desert | Botswana | Namibia | paleogenetics | gathering vs hunting | gender roles | women hunting | egalitarianism | origins of hierarchy | surplus | food storage | salmon economies | Northwest Coast hunter-gatherers | archaeology of early farmers | bioarchaeology | stature/height decline | teeth health | disease burden | zoonoses | cross-species infection | Neolithic fertility increase | population pressure and “intensification” | chiefdoms | states | empires | ecology vs culture debate | materialist vs idealist | concentration–dispersion | colonialism | exploitation | land rights | climate change | human futures

    10 February 2026, 6:58 am
  • 1 hour 19 minutes
    What Can Shamans Teach Us About Religion? | Many Minds with Manvir Singh

    The world is full of religions, but none as timeless as shamanism. And whilst many modern religions have shed their shamanic skins, the shaman is rarely as far away as we have been told.

    Or so argues anthropologist Manvir Singh in his book, Shamanism: The Timeless Religion.  

    Singh’s work is fascinating in its capacity to link the exocit with the familiar, showing how rainforest rituals are not so far removed from urban modernity as we might think.

    Today, I will have the rare chance to enjoy Singh's insights together with you, as a listener. The hard work will be done by Kensy Cooperider, the host of the Many Minds Podcast.

    Many Minds is one of my own go-to shows and has a lot to recommend for it. Just like On Humans, it breaks down complex scientific concepts about humanity into easy-to-follow yet in-depth conversations. Yet unlike On Humans, it has insanely well-referenced show notes! Just check this one out.

    Kensy and I had a beachside chat this November and decided it would be good to introduce ourselves to each other's audiences. So here we go!

    LINKS

    Many Minds: https://disi.org/manyminds/

    Diverse Intelligences Summer Institute: https://disi.org/

    Episode page: https://disi.org/the-shaman-with-a-thousand-faces/

    Manvir Singh: https://www.manvir.org/


    KEYWORDS

    Anthropology | Psychology | Religion | Cross-cultural study | Abrahamic religions | Neo-shamanism | Human universals |

     


    21 January 2026, 3:17 am
  • 28 minutes 27 seconds
    The Origins of Humankind: Where Do We Really Come From?

    Happy 2026! On Humans has typically marked the coming of January by revisiting the previous year’s most popular episode. This time, the New Year special packs the five-hour-long "Origins of Humankind" series into one fast-paced dive through deep time.

    By mixing highlights from the original interviews with fresh narration, this episode offers a captivating journey through many of the great topics around human origins, such as:

    • Who were the first primates
    • The role of fruits, snakes, and predators
    • The human solution to danger
    • How to grow a human brain?
    • What did our ancestors eat?
    • Effects of our upright posture
    • Origins of music & language
    • How Homo sapiens took over the world

    Enjoy!


    LINKS

    For the original five-hour experience, see: OnHumans.Substack.com/Origins

    For a shorter series on ancient DNA: see OnHumans.Substack.com/DNA

    Support: Patreon.com/OnHumans

    The series was produced together with CARTA (UCSD & Salk Institute). For past recordings of CARTA symposia on human origins, see: Carta.Anthropogeny.org/Symposia


    KEYWORDS

    Human evolution | Human origins | Science | Biology | Paleoanthropology | Anthropology | Archaeology | Fossils | aDNA | History of life | Life history | Dinosaurs | Primates | Apes | Hominins | Homo sapiens | Evolution of language | Evolution of music | Brain evolution | Paleoneurology | Neanderthals | Denisovans | Neolithic Revolution | Spread of agriculture | Human destiny


    10 January 2026, 8:10 pm
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    Why Do We Laugh? Philosophers on Jokes, Humor, and the Human Condition ~ Mira Magdalena Sickinger

    “The podcast is great, but one thing hasn’t been covered yet: humour. It’s an essential part of our human condition, and would certainly be worth an episode.”

    This listener feedback was easy to agree with.

    From standup comedy to nervous laughter, our lives are filled with chuckles and giggles.

    Why?

    Why do adults laugh at witty jokes whilst children laugh at the simple pleasures of peek-a-boo? And why should any of us laugh in the first place?

    My guest is Mira Magdalena Sickinger. a poet and a philosopher of humour from the University of Vienna.

    We cover a lot in the discussion: from the social roles of humour, to the politics of joking, and the therapeutic effects of a humorous attitude. In the course of the conversation, we cover the views of many intellectual giants, from Sigmund Freud to Immanuel Kant — and while the conversation includes a handful of silly jokes (be warned), it ends with a deeper reflection on how humour can serve as a window into the human condition itself. 


    FACT CHECKING

    No errors have been found as of now. If you find an error in this or other episodes, get in touch via the form below.


    LINKS

    Articles and essays: ⁠⁠⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Support: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Contact Form: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8⁠⁠⁠


    MENTIONS

    Simon Critchley | Ted Cohen | Robin Dunbar | Ágnes Heller | John Morreal | Immanuel Kant | Thomas Wilk & Steven Gimbel | V S Ramachandran | Sigmund Freud | Janet Bing⁠ &  ⁠Joanne Scheibman ⁠| Thomas Nagel | Aristotle | Thomas Aquinas | John Dewey | Robin Tyler


    KEYWORDS

    Philosophy | Psychology |Anthropology | Incongruence theory | Relief theory | Superiority theory | Play theory | Humor | Blended spaces | Stasi & communism jokes in East Germany | Feminist & queer humor | Jokes | Absurdity | Irony | Existentialism | Meaning of life |


    24 December 2025, 10:31 am
  • 25 minutes 31 seconds
    Restless Humanity: The Epic Migrations Into the Americas, Polynesia, and... Beyond? ~ Andrés Moreno-Estrada

    We are a movable species. In less than 50 thousand years, Homo sapiens has penetrated practically all corners of the earth.

    This is an episode about those epic migrations, with a focus on the two furthest edges of the human migratory map: the Americas in the West and the Polynesian islands in the East. In the end, we discuss emerging evidence that those branches met each other -- work coming directly out of the work of my guest, Andrés Moreno-Estrada.

    Enjoy!


    DECODING OUR STORY

    This is episode 3 in the "⁠Decoding Our Story⁠" mini-series, recorded live at the Salk Institute's CARTA symposium on ancient DNA. The other episodes are:

    "The Neanderthal Mirror: Latest Findings About the Lines Between Us" ~ David Gokhman

    "Beyond Race: A New Outlook on the Shape of Humanity" ~ Diyendo Massilani


    FACT CHECKING

    No errors have been found as of now. If you find an error in this or other episodes, get in touch via the form below.


    LINKS

    Articles and essays: ⁠⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠⁠

    Support: ⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠⁠

    Contact Form: ⁠⁠⁠https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8⁠⁠

    ⁠⁠CARTA symposium⁠⁠

    The Moreno lab⁠⁠


    KEYWORDS

    Human population history | Human origins | Anthropogeny | Anthropology | Ancient Migration | Out of Africa | Homo sapiens | Ancient DNA | Comparative genetics | Austronesian expansion | Taiwan | Admixture | Archaeogenetics | Archaeology | Polynesia | Easter Islands | Rapa Nui | Hawai'i | Aotearoa New Zealand | Tonga Fiji | Native American origins | Latino genetics | Latinx genetics | Hispanic genetics | Indegenous genetics |

    5 December 2025, 4:27 pm
  • 14 minutes 37 seconds
    Beyond Race: A New Outlook on the Shape of Humanity ~ Diyendo Massilani

    European thinkers once divided humanity into distinct "races". The idea stuck, even if the science moved on. The shape of humanity, it turned out, is far messier than the old race theorists ever imagined.

    This much is well known.

    Still , genetics does study different human "populations". Biological differences between these populations are reported every day. So have we simply changed words? Has anything really changed?

    Yes, everything has changed.

    To explain why, I'm glad to have Diyendo Massilani on the show.

    Trained in France and Gabon, Massilani runs a lab at the Yale School of Medicine, where he studies ancient DNA and human adaptations. This fall, his lab has produced one of the most interesting analysis of human biodiversity that I have ever seen. I'm proud to feature it on the podcast before publication.

    Our conversation begins from the counter-intuitive implications of the Out of Africa theory, and its significance for ideas about race. We then discuss Massilani's own analysis about how the level of genetic differences between modern-day humans.

    As always, we finish with my guest's reflections on humanity.


    DECODING OUR STORY

    This is episode 2 in the "Decoding Our Story" mini-series, recorded live at the Salk Institute's CARTA symposium on ancient DNA. The other episodes are:

    "The Neanderthal Mirror: Latest Findings About the Lines Between Us" ~ David Gokhman (published)

    "Restless Humanity: The Epic Migrations Into America, Polynesia, and... Beyond?" ~ Andrés Moreno-Estrada (5th of Dec)


    FACT CHECKING

    No errors have been found as of now. If you find an error in this or other episodes, get in touch via the form below.


    LINKS

    Articles and essays: ⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠

    Support: ⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠

    Contact Form: ⁠⁠https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8⁠

    ⁠CARTA symposium⁠

    The Massilani lab⁠


    KEYWORDS

    Human evolution | Human origins | Anthropogeny | Anthropology | Paleoanthropology | Genetics | Homo sapiens | Ancient DNA | Comparative genetics | Human biodiversity | Admixture | Archaeogenetics | Archaeology | Mbuti | Papuans | Neanderthals



    1 December 2025, 10:14 pm
  • 21 minutes 35 seconds
    The Neanderthal Mirror: Latest Findings About the Lines Between Us ~ David Gokhman

    Genetics is rewriting the human story. This week, On Humans takes you behind the scenes of this rapidly evolving frontier via three live-recordings, captured at the Salk Institute's CARTA symposium on ancient DNA.

    The first episode explores the differences between us and the Neanderthals.

    For centuries, we tried to understand Neanderthals through stones and bones alone. Now genetics is offering a new tool, allowing researchers to see how ancient bodies and brains developed. In this opening episode, David Gokhman explains what these new tools are revealing about us, Neanderthals, and the lines between us.


    UP NEXT

    "Beyond Race: New Surprises About the Shape of Humanity" ~ Monday Dec 1st with Diyendo Massilani

    "Restless Humanity: The Epic Migrations Into America, Polynesia, and... Beyond?" ~ Friday Dec 5th with Andrés Moreno-Estrada


    FACT CHECKING

    No errors have been found as of now. If you find an error in this or other episodes, get in touch via the form below.


    LINKS

    Articles and essays: ⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠

    Support: ⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠

    Contact Form: ⁠https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8

    CARTA symposium

    Gokhman's lab


    KEYWORDS

    Human evolution | Human origins | Anthropogeny | Anthropology | Archaeogenetics | Archaeology | Paleoanthropology | Genus Homo | Neanderthals | Ancient DNA | Comparative genetics | Archaeogenetics | Language evolution | Origins of language | Symbolic culture | Extinction | Species concept


    27 November 2025, 9:44 pm
  • 42 minutes 21 seconds
    Can We Tell a (True) Story of Human Origins? Live from UC San Diego

    The science of human origins keeps producing new theories. But are we any closer to telling a true story of human origins? Or are we simply drowning in data? 

    Earlier this November, the chair of UCSD’s Department of Anthropology invited me to explore this question in a campus talk. My optimistic claim was that underneath many of the field’s important debates, a powerful story has been emerging. At its core, this is a story about calories, cooperation, and climate change. And at the centre of it are not men hunting or women gathering.

    At the centre of it are children playing and learning.

    Here is the recording from the talk .

    Check out also my Substack essay inspired by this talk, with many of the pictures and graphs from the slides!

    PS. I was in San Diego to attend a CARTA symposium on the role of genetics in the study of human origins. I managed to record three episodes behind the scenes.

    Live recordings coming soon!


    FACT CHECKING

    No major errors have been found yet. As a small correction, the mention about macaques vs giraffe's should have been about neurons in the cortex, not total neurons in the brain. The main idea doesn't change.

    If you find an error in this or other episodes, get in touch via the form below.


    LINKS

    Articles and essays: OnHumans.Substack.com

    Support: Patreon.com/OnHumans

    Contact Form: https://forms.gle/h5wcmefuwvD6asos8


    KEYWORDS

    Human evolution | Human origins | Anthropogeny | Anthropology | Paleoanthropology | Genus Homo | Australopithecins | Human brain | Comparative neuroanatomy | Human tool cultures | Alloparenting | Cooking hypothesis | Expensive tissue hypothesis | Life history | r vs K strategies |


    24 November 2025, 6:19 pm
  • 16 minutes 24 seconds
    Epilogue: Is the Brain Free to Choose? ~ Tim Coulson

    You decided to start reading this. But could you have chosen otherwise?


    In this short epilogue to this fall's brain science -series, Oxford biologist Tim Coulson gives his defense of free will.

    (The episode is an unheard clip from the conversation with Tim Coulson, originally recorded as part of the Origins of Humankind -series in March 2025. )

    LINKS

    For highlights, longer quotes, and references, see my essay at OnHumans.Substack.com.

    Tim Coulson's book is called The Universal History of Us (in the UK) and The Science of Why We Exist (in the US).

    For more episodes on the human brain, check ⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com/Brain⁠⁠

    Want to support the show? Join the club at ⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠


    MENTIONS

    Names: Albert Einstein | Niels Bohr

    Terms and concepts: free will | many worlds -interpretation vs the Copenhaguen interpretation of quantum mechanics | Brownian motion | Quantum biology | stochasticity vs determinism | neural integration vs complexity | chance & necessity | philosophy | physics | biology | neuroscience

    5 November 2025, 7:09 pm
  • 1 hour 14 seconds
    Can the Brain Understand Itself? The Glories and the Limits of Neuroscience ~ Matthew Cobb

    Science has learned much about the brain. But how well do we understand this organ of the mind? Are we even close to cracking the neural code? Is a groundbreaking theory of consciousness just around the corner?

    In this final episode of the brain science -series, Matthew Cobb takes us on a tour of the story of neuroscience. We meet many colourful characters, but this is not just a history for history’s sake. More importantly, this is a reflection on the increasingly clear limits that brain science is coming up against — limits often left invisible behind the thirst for stories about new discoveries. 

    Enjoy!


    FACT CHECKING

    Contrary to the precise phrasing in the episode, a handful of new psychiatric drugs have entered the market recently. The general observation remains well-supported.

    If you spot an error in this or other episodes, please reach out on ⁠⁠Substack⁠⁠ or via ⁠⁠email⁠⁠.


    LINKS

    Matthew Cobb’s book is The Idea of the Brain: The Past and Future of Neuroscience 

    For more episodes on the human brain, check ⁠OnHumans.Substack.com/Brain⁠

    Want to support the show? Join the club at ⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠


    MENTIONS

    Names: Matthew Cobb | Galen | Aristotle | Andreas Vesalius | William Harvey | William Shakespeare | Queen Victoria | Karl Marx | Pierre Paul Broca | René Descartes | Eve Marder | David Marr | Francis Crick | Geoffrey Hinton | John Hopfield | Warren McCulloch | Walter Pitts | John von Neumann | Alan Turing | Kenneth Craik | Sir John Eccles | Elon Musk | Nicolaus Copernicus | Galileo Galilei

    Terms and concepts: recurrent laryngeal nerve | phrenology | localization of function | strokes/aphasia | Broca’s area | plasticity | hemispheric lateralization | corpus callosum | split-brain | consciousness | anesthesia (halothane, etc.) | drugs & neuromodulators | SSRIs | serotonin | dopamine | psychedelics | obster stomatogastric ganglion | three-body-problem | EEG “brainwaves” (gamma, theta, etc.) | David Marr’s levels | neural code | PDP / connectionism | backpropagation | LLMs (e.g. ChatGPT, DeepSeek) | biological plausibility vs engineering | von Neumann architecture | McCulloch–Pitts logical neurons | neural correlates of consciousness (NCC) | “Jennifer Aniston” cells | single-unit recording | connectomics | Human Brain Project | cochlear implants | BCI / robotic arm control | tetraplegia | problem of consciousness | enactive cognition



    17 October 2025, 7:47 pm
  • 57 minutes 49 seconds
    From Alcohol to Antidepressants: What Drugs Teach Us About Brain Chemistry ~ Judy Grisel

    Dopamine. Serotonin. Endorphins. We have all heard these terms. And these are not just scientific curiosities. Few are those who have never wondered if their brain chemicals are "just off balance".

    So how accurate are the popular theories about these mythic molecules?

    To guide us through the topic, I'm joined by Judy Grisel—an ex-addict and a world-leading neuroscientist of addiction.

    We will discuss all the main elements of brain chemistry by using drugs and addictions as a window into the topic. Towards the end, we also search for ways to better help those who struggle with addiction.

    As always, we finish with my guest's reflection on humanity.

    DIG DEEPER

    This episode is part 4 of this autumn's brain science series. See more

    at ⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠/brain⁠⁠

    Judy Grisel’s book is Never Enough: The Neuroscience and Experience of Addiction

    Want to support the show? Join the club at Patreon.com/OnHumans.


    FACT-CHECKING

    No major mistakes have been found so far.
    As a minor note, the SSRI study we mention in healthy volunteers primarily assessed cognitive processing (reinforcement learning/sensitivity) rather than self-reported “emotional flattening”; however, general blunting of emotional responses in healthy participants has been reported by earlier researchers.

    If you spot an error in this or other episodes, please reach out on Substack or via email.


    KEYWORDS

    Names mentioned: Kent Berridge | Mark Lewis | Barbara Sahakian | Trevor Robbins

    Technical concepts: dopamine | wanting vs liking | serotonin (5/HT) | serotonin receptor 2A | selective serotonin uptake inhibitors SSRIs | GABA vs glutamate | endorphins | endocannabinoids | alcohol | cocaine | MDMA | psychedelics | behavioral addictions (e.g. porn) | runner's high | cannabis / THC | neurogenesis & pruning | brain plasticity | SSRIs | MDMA (SERT reversal) | emotional blunting | opponent-process theory (A→B) | addiction as disease vs learned state | meaning, motivation, recovery


    2 October 2025, 7:02 pm
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