On Humans

Ilari Mäkelä

What kinds of animals are we? The On Humans Podcast features conversations with leading scholars about human nature, human condition, and the human journey. These conversations build bridges between scientific research and humanistic enquiry, bringing fresh insights into questions such as: Where do we come from? What brings us together? Why do we love? Why do we destroy? The show is hosted by Ilari Mäkelä, a London-based science communicator with a background in Psychology and Philosophy, both Western (BA, Oxford) and Eastern (MPhil, Peking University).

  • 50 minutes 17 seconds
    An Unusual Ape: The Deep Origins of Our Human Oddities ~ Dean Falk

    The story continues! In part 2 of the Origins of Humankind, we trace the first steps of our ancestors after they left the chimpanzee lineage.

    To get humanity going, our ancestors had to wander through millions of years of what anthropologist Dean Falk has called the Botanic Age. It's a time shrouded in mist, yet it may hold the key to some of humanity’s most defining traits — from language and music to our clumsy toes and our large brains.

    On this walk through the mysteries of the Botanic Age, our guide is Dean Falk herself. She is a Distinguished Professor of Anthropology and the world's leading expert on human brain evolution. Together, we try to make sense of topics such as:

    • The common ancestor between humans and chimpanzees
    • Against “Man the Toolmaker”: Tool use in other apes
    • The walking ape: how bipedalism shaped our ancestors
    • Origins of language
    • Origins of music
    • Size matters, but… The early evolution of the human brain


    As always, we finish with the guest’s reflections on humanity.


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    WHAT'S NEXT

    Origins of Humankind #3: What Is a Human?

    The stage has been set. It is time for humanity to enter. But what is a human? What makes a skeleton fall into the Genus "Homo"? And why did this puzzling genus evolve?

    Key questions: Why did humans evolve? And how do modern humans differ from Neanderthals or other extinct humans?

    Our guide: Chris Stringer is an iconic figure in the field, best known for his groundbreaking work towards the widely accepted Out of Africa -theory of human evolution. His career at London’s Natural History Museum stretches across five decades.

    When: April 9th, 2025


    KEYWORDS

    Anthropology | Primatology Human evolution | Human origins | Homo Erectus | Australopithecine | Australopithecus africanus | Brain evolution | Paleoneurology | Apes | Great apes | Chimpanzees | Bonobos | Gorillas | LSA | Cognitive evolution | Cognitive archaeology | Baby slings | Motherse | Parentese | Baby talk | Putting the baby down -hypothesis | Radiator theory



    2 April 2025, 6:42 pm
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    The Big Picture: From the Origin of Life to the Rise of Humans ~ Tim Coulson

    Welcome to the first episode of the Origins of Humankind!

    In this sweeping first episode, we cover the entire planetary backstory of human existence – from the origins of life to the climate change that kickstarted human evolution. Our expert guide on this journey is Tim Coulson, the Head of Biology at the University of Oxford and the author of A Universal History of Us

    The episode explores questions such as:

    • What is "life”? How did it begin?
    • The surprising role of meteors (even before dinosaurs)
    • Why animals? 
    • “Ediacaran Garden” and the dawn of predators
    • Blood, bones, and the dawn of “terrestrial fish” (yup, that’s us!)
    • Our ancestors amongst the dinosaurs
    • Fruits and snakes in primate evolution
    • The climate change that made humanity 
    • The rise and spread of humans 


    As always, we finish with the guest’s reflections on humanity.


    MORE LINKS

    More stuff: OnHumans.Substack.com/Origins

    Support the show: Patreon.com/OnHumans

    Free lectures on human origins: CARTA

    Tim Coulson’s book: A Universal History of Us


    NEXT EPISODE

    #2 An Unusual Ape (Tuesday 2nd of April)

    In episode two, we follow the first steps on the human line, exploring how abandoning life in the trees paved the way for many of our human oddities.

    Key questions: Why was upright posture so important? What did it do to parents and children? When did the brains of our ancestors start to show human oddities?

    Your guide: Dean Falk, a leading expert on brain evolution at the University of Florida. She recently published a book titled A Botanic Age, looking at human evolution before the Stone Age.

    Stay tuned. And subscribe to On Humans.


    KEYWORDS

    Evolution | Human evolution | Human origins | Origin of life | Emergence of life | Abiogenesis | Natural history | History of life | Meteors | Organic chemistry | Vertebrate evolution | Tetrapods | Dinosaurs | Pleistocene | Predators | Early humans | Austrolopithecins | Lucy | Homo erectus | Homo ergaster | Homo sapiens | Megafauna extinction | Humanity | Carl Sagan | Ediacaran Garden | Cambrian Explosion | Mesozoic | Jurassic | Triassic | Cretaceous | The Great Oxigenation Event | Sauropsids | Synapsids |


    25 March 2025, 10:29 pm
  • 2 minutes 57 seconds
    Trailer | Origins of Humankind

    Where do we come from? How did we get here? What kind of creature are we?

    The science of human origins has made great progress in answering these timeless questions. From carbon isotopes to ancient DNA extraction, we now have unprecedented tools to explore our past. But with all this detail, it’s easy to miss the forest from the trees.

    To fill this gap, On Humans has partnered with CARTA — a UC San Diego-based research unit on human origins. Together, we have designed a five-episode journey to dig deep into the new science of the origins of humankind.

    Together, these episodes explore the emerging science of how we became the puzzling and wonderful creatures we are today.

    The series begins tomorrow. Subscribe now free episode and written summaries at:

    Onhumans.Substack.com/Origins


    SERIES OVERVIEW

    #1 The Big Picture

    The series begins with a sweeping take on the history of life on Earth, from the origin of life to the rise of humans.

    • Key questions: What is life? Who were our ancestors during the dinosaurs? What led to the rise of primates? And what kind of a primate are we?

    • Your guide: Tim Coulson is the Head of the Department of Biology at the University of Oxford. He recently released a breathtaking overview of the history of life and the universe titled A Universal History of Us.

    • When: March 25th


    #2 An Unusual Ape
    In episode two, we follow the first steps on the human line, exploring how abandoning life in the trees paved the way for many of our human oddities.

    • Key questions: Why was upright posture so important? What did it do to parents and children? When did the brains of our ancestors start to show human oddities?

    • Your guide: Dean Falk, a leading expert on brain evolution at the University of Florida. She recently published a book titled A Botanic Age, looking at human evolution behind the Stone Age.

    • When: April 2nd


    #3 What Is a Human?

    The stage has been set. The third episode tackles human evolution head-on, focusing on the new scientific discoveries about the genus Homo.

    • Key questions: What is a human? Why did we evolve? And how do modern humans differ from Neanderthals or other extinct humans?

    • Your guide: Chris Stringer is an iconic figure in the field, best known for his groundbreaking work towards the widely accepted Out of Africa -theory of human evolution. His career at London’s Natural History Museum stretches across five decades.

    • When: April 9th


    #4-5: The Story of Sapiens (In Two Parts)
    The series finishes with two episodes on the story of Homo sapiens, using the magic of ancient DNA to tell a genuinely global history of our species.

    • Key question: How did migrations shape the human story? Why are we the only humans left? And how did humans spread worldwide, first as hunters and gatherers, then as farmers and shepherds?

    • Your guide: In 2010, Johannes Krause became the first person to discover a new species of humans by DNA alone. Co-author of Hubrisand A Short History of Humanity, he is the Director of the Max Planck Institute of Evolutionary Anthropology.

    • When: March 16th & 23rd


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    24 March 2025, 8:18 pm
  • 30 minutes 28 seconds
    What About India? Part II: Success and Stagnation In the World’s Largest Democracy ~ Bishnupriya Gupta

    India’s history isn’t just the story of one nation—it’s the story of one-sixth of humanity. It’s also a lens for understanding how colonialism, democracy, and globalization shaped the modern world.

    This mini-series offers a human-centred perspective on that remarkable story, focusing on how politics and trade impacted the lives of ordinary Indians.

     In Part 1, we explored the decline of the Mughals and the long stretch of British rule. In Part 2, we turn to India's independent journey as the world’s largest democracy.

     To guide us through this complex history, I’m joined again by Bishnupriya Gupta, a professor of economics and the author of the excellent Economic History of India.

    In this episode, we discuss:

    The legacy of British colonialism in independent India / Why India fell behind the economic miracle of East Asian countries like China / The successes and challenges of India’s democracy in shaping its economic future / What happened to inequality in India during independence?

    As always, we finish with my guest’s reflections on humanity.


    MENTIONS

    Past episodes: What About China (with Yasheng Huang, #44-46)

    Keywords: Independent India | British colonialism | British Raj | Indian nationalism | Indian industry | Economic inequality | Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru | Nehruvian period | National Congress | China miracle | Human capital formation | Literacy | Primary vs higher education | Poverty reduction |


    LINKS

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    24 February 2025, 6:58 pm
  • 1 hour 7 minutes
    What About India? Part I: Mughals, British, and the Causes of Poverty ~ Bishnupriya Gupta

    Following the success of last year’s What About China -trilogy, I’m delighted to introduce a two-part series on the economic history of India. This series examines the origins of modern India by focusing on politics, poverty, and the experience of ordinary Indians from 1600 till today.

    The first episode covers the decline of the Mughals and the hugely controversial rule of the British East India Company and, later, the British Crown.

    One thing is clear: Most Indians lived in poverty when the British left. So, how much of Indian poverty was due to British policies? How much was shaped by deeper trends? And what should we make of those infamous railways?

    To tackle these questions, I’m joined by Bishnupriya Gupta, a professor of economics at the University of Warwick and one of the world’s leading historians of the Indian economy. Her new book, An Economic History of India, provides a uniquely objective and data-driven exploration of India’s history, focusing on the well-being of ordinary people.

    In this episode, we discuss:

    Indian vs English living standards in 1600 / The impact of British colonialism on India’s economy / The Great Famines of Bengal / What both imperial apologists and Indian nationalists get wrong about the British rule.

    In the end, Gupta also explains why Mahatma Gandhi's education might be a clue as to why India lagged behind East Asia in the 20th Century.

    Enjoy — and stay tuned for Part II on the era of Independence!


    MENTIONS

    Books: An Economic History of India by Bishnupriya Gupta; The Great Divergence by Kenneth Pomerantz;

    Other scholars: Stephen Broadberry | Prasannan Parthasarathy | Nico Voigtländer & Hans-Joachim Voth | Indrajit Ray | Oded Galor (see episodes #12 and #13)

    On Humans episode: What About China (with Yasheng Huang, #44-46); Birth of Modern Prosperity (with Daron Acemoglu; Oded Galor, Brad DeLong; Branko Milanovic, after #40)

    Keywords: Mughal India | British colonialism | British Rad | East India Company | Indian nationalism | Indian deindustrialisation | Cotton trade | Indian railways | Primary vs higher education | Great Bengali famines

    LINKS

    Read more at ⁠⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    You can also find On Humans on ⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠!

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    14 February 2025, 6:28 pm
  • 54 minutes 39 seconds
    Why Patriarchy? Foragers, Farmers, and the Origins of Gender Inequality ~ Angarika Deb

    Why are history books so full of men? Why have so many societies treated women as property?

    In short, why is patriarchy so pervasive?

    A casual thinker might find an easy answer from biology. Men tend to be bigger and stronger. Hence, they get to run the show. “Just look at chimpanzees!”

    But this explanation has obvious problems. Indeed, female chimpanzees don’t have much power in their groups. But female bonobos do. And looking at humans, not all human societies are patriarchal — not nearly to the same extent.

    We don’t need to look at modern Scandinavia to get inspiration for women’s empowerment. Quite the contrary, equality between the sexes might have been the norm throughout most of the human story. This might sound surprising given the rates of patriarchy across time and space. However, it is supported by a simple finding: gender equality is relatively common in existing hunter-gatherers. This stands in stark contrast to their agricultural neighbours.

    This old finding became part of the scholarly conversation again in late 2024 when a new paper reported high levels of equality between husbands and wives amongst married hunter-gatherers. The levels of equality surprised the scholars themselves. But all this raises an interesting question: why is this? Why would hunting and gathering incline societies towards equality? Or vice versa, why would agriculture nudge societies towards male power? And what should we make of the many outliers from this pattern, like the matriarchal farmers of northeastern India?

    To discuss these topics, I invited the lead author of the recent paper to the show.

    Angarika Deb is a cognitive anthropologist, soon to earn her PhD from the Central European University. Despite her young career, she has produced tons of interesting articles on gender inequality around the world. A wide-ranging conversation was guaranteed.


    LINKS

    For links to academic articles and a summary of the conversation, head here (uploaded with a short delay after the episode).

    Read more at ⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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    MENTIONS

    Technical terms

    Patrilocality | Matrilocality | Virilocatily | Y-chromosome bottleneck

    Ethnic groups

    Agta | BaYaka | !Kung | Mongols | Garo and Khasi | Inuit

    Keywords

    Patriarchy | Agriculture | Neolithic | Social evolution | Social complexity | Hunter-gatherers | Sexual division of labor | Human evolution | Anthropology | Archaeology | Evolutionary psychology | Sociology | Social science | Human science


    28 January 2025, 4:54 pm
  • 19 minutes 30 seconds
    Bonus | Evolution Beyond the Selfish Gene (with Eva Jablonka)

    “We are survival machines – robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes.” - Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene

    In 1976, Richard Dawkins published one of the most iconic science books of all time. It has inspired a generation of science enthusiasts. But unsurprisingly, many readers disliked the idea of being but a “robot vehicle” or a “survival machine” for some tiny molecules — especially if these molecules are best served by repeated pregnancies or donations to a sperm bank.

    Yet Dawkins was right on one thing: “however much we may deplore something, it does not stop being true.”

    So what is true?

    I have previously written about one claim in the Selfish Gene which is certainly not true. This is the claim that, if we accept the book's biological theories, then we humans must be “born selfish”. Even Dawkins has accepted that this was a "rogue" claim that readers should "mentally delete". You can hear more by heading to episode 20 of On Humans.

    But what about the underlying science? Are selfish genes still the right way to think about the facts of evolution?

    Not so, according to Eva Jablonka.

    You might remember Jablonka from episode 36 on the evolution of consciousness. But before her work on consciousness, Jablonka was famous for her research on epigenetic inheritance -- literally, "inheritance beyond the gene". So what is epigenetic inheritance? What do we know about it scientifically? And does it matter philosophically?

    I hope you enjoy this conversation.

    LINKS

    Get more links and references from my accompanying essay at OnHumans.Substack.com.

    Support my work at Patreon.com/OnHumans



    16 January 2025, 12:02 pm
  • 16 minutes 26 seconds
    Bonus | The Real Lessons From The World Happiness Report (with Lara Aknin)

    Each year, the World Happiness Report ranks countries based on their citizen's life satisfaction. My home country, Finland, tends to come at the top. Sure. But lessons can we draw from all this? Beyond patting Finns on the back, can we distil some more insights from the report?

    I got to discuss this with Lara Aknin, co-editor of the World Happiness Report. In this previously unpublished clip, Aknin explains the major findings from the World Happiness Report and reveals the “single best predictor of happiness” across countries. 

    If you want to hear more about Aknin’s work, see episode 47.


    Support the show

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    Keywords

    Happiness | Life satisfaction | Economics | Social Science | World Happiness Report | Finland | Latin America | Nordic countries | Scandinavia | Welfare state | Well-being | Freedom | Equality | Generosity | Altruism



    9 January 2025, 9:15 pm
  • 11 minutes 57 seconds
    Bonus | Some Myths About Human Mating (with Katie Starkweather)

    Many traditional societies accept polygyny (one man, many wives). Monogamy, too, is practised across the globe. But what about polyandry — one woman, many husbands? Is this a "dubious idea" as sometimes suggested by evolutionary theorists?

    In this bonus clip, anthropologist Katie Starkweather offers interesting examples of formal and informal polyandry from around the world. She also brings nuance to theories about jealousy in men and women.

    (This is a previously unpublished clip from my conversation with anthropologist Katie Starkweather, as published in episode 43.)


    LINKS

    Scholars mentioned

    Donald Symons (author of Evolution of Human Sexuality), Sarah Blaffer Hrdy (author of Father Time, see episode 40), Brooke Scelza, Sean Prall

    Articles mentioned

    See the list and links here. This and other resources are available for free at OnHumans.Substack.com

    Support the show

    Patreon.com/OnHumans

    Keywords

    Monogamy | Polygamy | Polyandry | Mating | Pairbonding | Anthropology | Ethnography | Jealousy




    5 January 2025, 8:34 pm
  • 1 hour 28 minutes
    Encore | The Mindbending Conversation That Topped 2024 (with Donald Hoffman)

    Happy New Year 2025! To celebrate, here is an encore of what proved to be the most popular episode of 2024.

    This rerun combines episodes 30 and 31 into one epic journey towards the frontiers of human understanding. My guest is Donald Hoffman. Our topics are consciousness, cosmos, and the meaning of life.

    Enjoy!


    Original show notes

    Laws of physics govern the world. They explain the movements of planets, oceans, and cells in our bodies. But can they ever explain the feelings and meanings of our mental lives?

    This problem, called the hard problem of consciousness, runs very deep. No satisfactory explanation exists. But many think that there must, in principle, be an explanation.

    A minority of thinkers disagree. According to these thinkers, we will never be able to explain mind in terms of matter. We will, instead, explain matter in terms of mind. I explored this position in some detail in episode 17.

    But hold on, you might say. Is this not contradicted by the success of natural sciences? How could a mind-first philosophy ever explain the success of particle physics? Or more generally, wouldn't any scientist laugh at the idea that mind is more fundamental than matter?

    No — not all of them laugh. Some take it very seriously.

    Donald Hoffman is one such scientist. Originally working with computer vision at MIT's famous Artificial Intelligence Lab, Hoffman started asking a simple question: What does it mean to "see" the world? His answer begins from a simple idea: perception simplifies the world – a lot. But what is the real world like? What is “there” before our perception simplifies the world? Nothing familiar, Hoffman claims. No matter. No objects. Not even a three-dimensional space. And no time. There is just consciousness.

    This is a wild idea. But it is a surprisingly precise idea. It is so precise, in fact, that Hoffman’s team can derive basic findings in particle physics from their theory. 

    A fascinating conversation was guaranteed. I hope you enjoy it. If you do, consider becoming a supporter of On Humans on ⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠


    MENTIONS

    Names: David Gross, Nima Arkani-Hamed, Edward Whitten, Nathan Seiberg, Andrew Strominger, Edwin Abbott, Nick Bostrom, Giulio Tononi, Keith Frankish, Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker, Roger Penrose, Sean Carroll,  Swapan Chattopadhyay

    Terms (Physics and Maths): quantum fields, string theory, gluon, scattering amplitude, amplituhedron, decorated permutations, bosons, leptons, quarks, Planck scale, twistor theory, M-theory, multiverse, recurrent communicating classes, Cantor’s hierarchy (relating to different sizes of infinity... If this sounds weird, stay tuned for full episode on infinity. It will come out in a month or two.)

    Terms (Philosophy and Psychology): Kant’s phenomena and noumena, integrated information theory, global workspace theory, orchestrated objective reduction theory, attention schema theory

    Books: Case Against Reality by Hoffman, Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker

    Articles etc.: For links to articles, courses, and more, see ⁠https://onhumans.substack.com/p/links-for-episode-30⁠





    31 December 2024, 11:40 am
  • 1 hour 25 minutes
    Live from London | Yasheng Huang on the Origins of Modern China

    This was fun!

    Last Wednesday saw the first-ever live recording of On Humans. The event was held at the London Business School, courtesy of the LBS's China Club. My guest was MIT Professor Yasheng Huang, familiar to regular listeners from the China trilogy published earlier this fall.

    In this new episode, we keep tackling the origins of modern China. This time, we draw insights from Huang's two upcoming books: Revisiting the Needham Question and Statism With Chinese Characteristics. The conversation is structured around five themes: 1) the "Needham Question"; 2) Keju exams; 3) Scale; 4) Scope; and 5) The Eighties. Expect juicy insights to questions such as:

    • Why was more Buddhism linked to more inventions in ancient China?
    • How does footbinding relate to China's technological decline?
    • Has China's GDP growth stopped serving Chinese workers?


    Towards the end of the conversation, Huang also shared his memories of working in China through the 1989 crackdown at Tiananmen Square.

    Enjoy!


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    23 December 2024, 10:53 pm
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