In a world full of social media promoting "perfect lives", many of us are afraid to show our true authentic selves. The good, the bad and the ugly. Behind the Smile with Ash Butterss is a podcast that aims to reveal the truth that lies behind the masks we wear. As a recovering alcoholic, Ash is on a mission to remove the stigma behind addiction, mental health and trauma, by not only sharing her own story but by sharing the stories of others who have faced adversity, and now live a life of freedom in recovery.
This week’s episode is four years in the making, as Ash sits down with her brother, Campbell Butterss, for a conversation that is both deeply personal and authentically honest.
Cam reflects on their shared upbringing, growing up in an environment that was at times unpredictable. The subtle dynamics and unspoken patterns that shaped them both, and how sport became an outlet and a way to navigate emotions he didn’t yet have the words for.
At sixteen years sober, Cam opens up about his journey into sobriety at 26, the moments that led him to take a more honest look at his relationship with alcohol, and the support systems that helped him find a new way forward. Ash and Cam explore the evolving nature of family and friendships in recovery, what shifts, what stays the same, and what it takes to step out of old roles and into something more aligned.
They also touch on the realities of Campbell’s career in real estate, and the tools he’s developed to move through uncertainty and pressure without falling back into old patterns. Woven throughout the conversation are themes of growth, perspective, and the grounding influence of fatherhood, as Campbell shares how becoming a dad has shaped the way he lives, leads, and shows up today.
Episode Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to the Retreats
01:19 Meet Campbell Butters: A Personal Journey
02:33 The Importance of Family and Relationships
04:37 Navigating Life's Challenges: A Personal Reflection
06:51 Finding Purpose in Real Estate
09:02 The Roller Coaster of Real Estate
12:16 Tools for Resilience in a Volatile Industry
14:58 Hiding Behind a Smile: The Struggles of 2009
19:00 Childhood Memories and Family Dynamics
21:38 The Role of Sport in Escaping Reality
26:11 The Impact of Alcohol on Life Choices
29:28 Lessons Learned from Family Success
31:10 Teenage Rebellion and Authority Issues
33:05 The Journey Begins: A Geographical Escape
34:34 The Struggles of Alcoholism: A Year of Excess
37:48 The Turning Point: Realizations and Recovery
41:08 Finding Support: The Early Days of Sobriety
43:12 Facing Second Rock Bottom: Dealing with Trauma
47:18 Spiritual Awakening: The Role of Spirituality in Recovery
51:26 Family Dynamics: Navigating Relationships in Recovery
54:10 Friendship Changes: The Pain of Growing Apart
01:00:43 Fatherhood: The Greatest Gift and Responsibility
01:03:16 Non-Negotiables: Keys to a Fulfilling Life
You can connect withCampbell using the links below:
Instagram: Campbell Butterss
Website: Marshall White Real Estate
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Upcoming Workshops:
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
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This week, Ash sits down with principal consultant and founder of the Energy Collective Co, Jade Donegan, to explore what it really means to care for your inner world while navigating the demands of work, family, and grief. Jade shares how her spirituality helped her to navigate the profound rupture of losing her dad, a loss that reshaped how she sees life, love, and success.
She opens up about her journey through grief and forgiveness, the unexpected signs she still receives from her father, and the emotional toll of trying to keep going when your heart is somewhere else. Ash and Jade dive into the importance of emotional health at work, the need for accountability in professional spaces, and how understanding our own energy can change the way we lead, collaborate, and show up for the people around us.
Throughout their conversation, Jade reflects on the transformative power of practices like Reiki, and how they’ve helped her build self-awareness, soften self-judgment, and create workplaces where wellbeing is taken seriously. Together, they talk about moving through emotions rather than getting stuck in them, and the courage it takes to let yourself feel everything without shutting down.
At its heart, this episode is an invitation to meet yourself with empathy whether you’re sitting in grief, in transition, or in growth. You’ll walk away with insights on how to build a life and career that honour both your humanity and your healing.
Episode Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Retreats and Personal Growth
01:51 Meet Jade Donegan: A Journey of Transformation
04:04 Daily Life and Finding Joy in Learning
08:10 The Move to New Zealand: A Family Adventure
11:32 Hiding Behind a Smile: The Impact of Grief
19:06 Navigating Grief: A Personal Story of Loss
23:44 Navigating Numbness and Helplessness
24:26 The Journey of Forgiveness
25:55 A Life-Changing Accident
28:20 Empathy and Forgiveness in Grief
29:36 Signs from Beyond
36:50 The Power of Reiki
43:03 Workplace Wellbeing and Accountability
You can connect with Jade using the links below:
http://www.energycollectiveco.com.au/
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
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This week, Ash sits down with sobriety advocate, author, and entrepreneur, Ian Fee, for a conversation that challenges everything you think you know about recovery.
After 34 years of heavy drinking, Ian reached a point where he was willing to try anything to get sober. What followed was one of the most confronting decisions of his life, undergoing 10 days of radical aversion therapy designed to make alcohol physically repulsive.
Ian shares what it was really like inside that experience, including daily alcohol-induced vomiting, sedatives and intense therapy. This was the doorway that led him to sobriety and the opportunity to rebuild his life. From losing almost everything to slowly repairing, Ian opens up about healing relationships, restoring self-respect, and learning how to live day by day without escaping himself.
Along with losing 85 pounds, Ian has formed a whole new identity and now lives a life that is full of gratitude, purpose and meaning.
Episode chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Ian Fee's Journey
06:11 The Impact of Sobriety on Daily Life
12:53 Reflections on Family and Presence
18:57 The Evolution of Drinking Habits
21:00 Turning Point: Aversion Therapy Experience
23:37 Exploring Aversion Therapy for Sobriety
26:00 The Turning Point: Realizing the Need for Change
28:31 The Shift in Relationships and Support Systems
32:02 Finding Purpose Through Storytelling
33:04 Building a Foundation for Recovery
38:12 Healing Relationships with Children
40:47 Non-Negotiables for a Happy Life
You can connect with Ian using the links below:
Website: makeitgreat.me
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-fee-6391b112/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Make-It-Great/100034784122106/
Link to Book: https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Ride-Sobriety-Transformation-Oblivion/dp/B0DHYR1YST/
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
This week, Ash sits down with Carly Schwartz, author of I’ll Try Anything Twice, to talk about what it really looks like to live through the darkest corners of your own mind and make it out the other side. Carly traces her journey from childhood anxiety to years of depression, substance use, and suicidal ideation, sharing the moments of denial, fear, and quiet desperation that shaped her path.
She opens up about the turning point of finally naming her addiction and the life-changing experience of going to rehab, not as a neat overnight fix, but as the beginning of a very human, very imperfect recovery. Ash and Carly explore the messy middle of healing: the shame that keeps us silent, the relief of being truly seen, and the deep importance of community and storytelling in breaking through isolation.
Throughout their conversation, Carly reflects on what it means to personalise recovery rather than squeeze it into a one-size-fits-all mold. She speaks to the need for flexibility, self-acceptance, and learning to listen to your own needs as they evolve over time. At its heart, this episode is a testament to resilience and connection, a reminder that while recovery is rarely linear, it is always possible, especially when we’re willing to tell the truth, reach out, and let others walk beside us.
Episode chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Carly Schwartz and Her Journey
11:03 The Struggles Behind the Smile
17:09 Childhood Anxiety and Early Signs of Depression
23:20 The Dark Side of Substance Use and Suicidal Ideation
28:26 The Struggle with Substance Use and Denial
32:03 The Turning Point: Seeking Help and Going to Rehab
37:00 Building a New Life in Recovery
45:27 Personalizing Recovery: Finding What Works
51:03 The Power of Community in Recovery
Support Services
If this conversation has brought anything up for you, please know you don’t have to go through it alone. Support is always available. You can reach out to Lifeline on 13 11 14 for 24/7 crisis support, Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636 for mental health support and guidance, or the Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467 for free counselling.
Connect with Carly using the links below:
Website - https://www.carly.ink/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/carlicita
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlicita/
Goodreads - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/236558341-i-ll-try-anything-twice
Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Ill-Anything-Twice-Misadventures-Self-Medicated/dp/B0FD8RPH9L/
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
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In this inspiring episode, Ash sits down with TEDx speaker and award-winning author Melo Calarco—a man who has quite literally cycled to the edges of the world in search of meaning, resilience, and himself. Over 30,000 kilometres across five continents, Melo has learned that the most transformative journey is always the one within.
He shares how meditation and mindfulness became the quiet anchors behind his extraordinary adventures, and how facing grief, uncertainty, and physical limits on the road ultimately deepened his understanding of what it means to truly live. Together, Ash and Melo explore the tension between ambition and contentment, and what it looks like to pursue big goals without losing yourself in the chase.
Drawing on Eastern philosophies and real-life transformations he has witnessed through his coaching work, Melo offers grounded, practical tools for bringing more presence, flexibility, and fun into everyday life. The conversation is a reminder that growth doesn't always look like pushing harder—sometimes it looks like slowing down, checking in with your values, and choosing joy as a practice. Melo's story is equal parts adventure and wisdom, and a powerful invitation to live more fully, freely, and in alignment with what matters most.
Episode chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Melo Carlaco
01:41 A Day in the Life of Melo
05:54 The Importance of Fun and Play
06:55 Hiding Behind a Smile: Personal Stories
10:02 Navigating Grief and Adversity
13:04 The Journey of a Lifetime: Cycling Around the Globe
17:47 The Seeds of Meditation
20:25 Cultivating the Pause: Reaction vs. Response
24:31 Life After Adventure: What Now?
27:37 The Aftermath of Achievements: TEDx Experience
29:26 Setting Hard Goals for Personal Growth
32:06 The Balance of Flexibility and Discipline
34:08 Integrating Eastern Philosophies into Coaching
39:48 Real-Life Transformations through Mindfulness
44:01 The Importance of Presence in Daily Life
46:40 Practical Tools for Mindfulness and Presence
50:45 Living by Non-Negotiables for a Fulfilling Life
Connect with Melo below:
BOOK: BEATING BURNOUT FINDING BALANCE FREE CHAPTER
MELO's TEDx TALK
FREE MEDITATIONS on INSIGHT TIMER
STAY CONNECTED on MELO's LINKED IN
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
This week you’re invited to listen in as Ash sits down with her lifelong friend Edwina, to explore what it means to remake your life in the wake of loss, motherhood, and big internal change. Edwina opens up about the sudden death of her brother, how grief reshaped her sense of self, and the quiet, courageous decision to question her relationship with alcohol.
She shares what happened when she chose an alcohol-free life, not just on the surface, but in her identity, her friendships, and the way she shows up as a mother and a woman. Ash and Edwina dive into the role of therapy on this path, unpacking powerful modalities like EMDR, and how these practices helped her meet the younger parts of herself with compassion instead of criticism.
Together, they talk about the fears that come with sobriety and the unexpected gifts that arrive when the noise of drinking is stripped away. The conversation shines a light on how retreats, community, and intentional healing practices can open space for self-discovery, deeper connection, and true emotional safety.
Episode Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Retreats and Self-Discovery
01:35 Meet Edwina: A Journey Through Life
03:34 Navigating Grief and Vulnerability
06:44 The Impact of Injury on Identity
09:11 Finding Purpose in Adversity
11:01 Hiding Behind a Smile: The Photo Story
21:17 The Unfairness of Life and Loss
23:00 Alcohol: A Coping Mechanism
35:13 Healing and Understanding Family Dynamics
35:48 Therapeutic Journeys: Exploring EMDR and Internal Family Systems
38:02 The Alcohol-Free Awakening: A Personal Journey
42:09 Facing Fears: The Terrifying Decision to Quit Drinking
46:14 Redefining Relationships: Alcohol and Authentic Connections
50:21 Building Deeper Friendships: The Shift in Social Dynamics
55:12 The Power of Vulnerability: Authenticity in Relationships
01:01:05 Embracing Change: The Journey of Self-Discovery
01:07:52 Investing in Self: The Importance of Personal Retreats
01:12:30 Non-Negotiables for a Fulfilling Life: Community, Nourishment, and Movement
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Upcoming Workshops:
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In another deeply honest solo episode, Ash reflects on the six biggest mistakes she’s made across six years of sobriety and how each one became a turning point for growth, self-trust, and real transformation. She takes you back to the day her life changed, then walks you through the lessons that followed, from expecting others to change, to trying to squeeze her new self into her old life, to giving her power away to people who didn’t have the best intentions.
She opens up about people pleasing, outgrowing relationships, chasing what’s next instead of appreciating what’s now, and the humbling realisation that healing has no finish line. These are the truths she learned the long way, the kind that only come through lived experience, deep reflection, and choosing honesty over comfort.
If you’re navigating change, questioning your path, or learning how to stand in your truth even when it costs you, this episode will feel like a conversation you didn’t know you needed.
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Website www.ashbutterss.com
Upcoming Workshops:
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Reset and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
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In this powerful and deeply honest conversation, Ash is joined by her mentor and high performance advisor, Mark “Dobbo” Dobson, for a thought-provoking exploration of what it truly takes to grow, evolve, and rise after life challenges you. Together they dive beneath surface level success and unpack the real work behind clarity, purpose, and personal expansion.
Dobbo shares hard-earned wisdom on defining your values, sharpening your vision, and having the courage to live in full alignment with who you really are. They also explore how adversity can become a catalyst for transformation, and why the relationships we choose play a pivotal role in shaping the person we become.
This conversation is a powerful reminder that meaningful growth is not built on perfection, it is built on honesty, resilience, and the willingness to turn life’s hardest moments into the foundation for something greater.
You can connect with Dobbo through his website www.dobbo.com.au.
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Website www.ashbutterss.com
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode, Ash is joined again by her dad, Rod, for a candid conversation about the real complexities of love and relationships. They unpack topics many people experience but rarely talk about openly, including love addiction, love avoidance, codependency, and what healthy communication actually looks like in practice.
Drawing on both personal experience and honest reflection, they explore how family dynamics shape the way we love, the patterns we repeat without realising, and what it takes to change them. Ash also opens up about a deeply personal crossroads, her uncertainty around motherhood, and the inner questions that come with choosing a path that feels true rather than expected.
Their father daughter conversations are always listener favourites, and this is exactly why they continue to shine a light on the honest, nuanced conversations that many people are thinking about, but few feel safe enough to say out loud.
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In this episode, Ash has a raw conversation with husband, father, and sober human Vim Verma as they discuss addiction, identity, and what happens when you finally stop running from yourself. Vim opens up about growing up in a mixed-race culture where drinking was normalised, emotions were rarely spoken about, and asking for help felt almost impossible.
Together, they unpack the quiet pressures of family expectations, the heavy emotional charge of the holiday season, and the stigma that keeps so many people suffering in silence. There are moments of grief, moments of clarity, and Vim’s classic humour, that remind us how human this journey really is.
Vim also shares how his recovery program, meditation, and spiritual practice became a turning point, helping him strip back the noise and reconnect with who he is beneath the coping mechanisms. This is a conversation about breaking cycles, choosing courage over comfort, and discovering that real healing starts on the inside.
If you’ve ever questioned your relationship with alcohol, felt trapped by expectations, or wondered what life could look like if you truly listened to yourself, this episode will land.
Episode Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Retreats and Self-Discovery
01:34 Vim Verma's Journey to Sobriety
03:45 Navigating Sobriety During the Holidays
04:54 Cultural Influences on Drinking
07:24 The Impact of Family Dynamics
07:53 Getting to Know Vim: Daily Life and Fun
14:06 Hiding Behind a Smile: The Photo Story
16:20 The Progression of Alcoholism
19:05 Consequences of Drinking: Crashing and Bashing
28:18 The Turning Point: Seeking Help
31:44 Experiences in Early Recovery
38:47 Finding Hope in Recovery
41:54 Life After Sobriety: Changes and Growth
47:50 Navigating Life's Challenges in Recovery
51:23 The Role of Support in Recovery
59:46 Non-Negotiables for a Happy Life
You can connect with Vim through his Instagram here.
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Upcoming Workshops:
A Return To You | One Day Retreat
Sunday 22nd February, 2026
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this special episode, Ash is joined by her longtime friend Ash Murray. For years, both women battled addiction silently, only sharing the full depths of their stories with one another after coming into recovery. Today, Ash Murray is the Eating Disorder Lead and Therapist at The Wave Clinic in Malaysia, with her expertise grounded not just in study, but in lived experience.
Ash opens up about her personal journey through eating disorders and alcohol addiction, sharing what recovery has truly looked like beyond the surface. From the isolating depths of illness which nearly took her life, to the slow rebuilding of trust, self-worth, and connection, she reflects on the pivotal role that rehab, honesty, healing and self-care have played in finding lasting freedom.
Together, they explore the intersection of therapy and lived experience, how vulnerability and empathy can become powerful tools for healing both self and others. They unpack the mental health challenges that intensified during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the importance of ongoing support in maintaining balance and wellbeing.
Episode chapter:
00:00 Introduction to Ashley Murray's Journey
02:57 Life in Malaysia and Work at the Wave Clinic
05:46 Navigating COVID-19 in Treatment
08:21 The Impact of COVID-19 on Mental Health
11:08 A Photo that Represents Struggles
13:55 The Super Yacht Experience and Its Consequences
16:27 The Turning Point: Seeking Help
19:22 Life in Bali and the Struggle with Addiction
22:16 The Rock Bottom Moment
24:49 Desperation and the Path to Recovery
27:08 The Turning Point: Reaching Out for Help
31:53 Childhood Struggles: The Roots of Eating Disorders
44:03 Escaping Reality: The Need to Hide
48:25 Facing the Truth: A Journey of Self-Discovery
54:28 The Struggle of Surrendering Control
57:02 The Complexity of Eating Disorders
59:13 The Power of Intervention
01:00:41 Transformation Through Therapy
01:04:11 Building Trust in Recovery
01:06:15 The Importance of Honesty
01:08:57 Setting Boundaries for Recovery
01:13:03 Non-Negotiables for a Fulfilling Life
Connect with Ash through:
https://www.instagram.com/thewaveclinic/
Follow and connect with Ash on:
Instagram @ashbutterss
TikTok @behindthesmilewithashb
Upcoming Workshops:
A Return To You | One Day Retreat
Sunday 22nd February, 2026
Join Ash on retreat in 2026!
The Embodied Woman Retreat | Gold Coast | May 2026
Rest and Renew Holistic Retreat in Bali | August 2026
Watch Ash’s TEDx Talk here!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.