Know Thyself

André Duqum

Know Thyself is a community supporting you to KNOW the true nature of yourself and the world around you, THRIVE in your health, wealth, and relationships – ultimately empowering you to CREATE and share your true self with the world. Each week André Duqum interviews experts in their field; ranging from spiritual educators to cutting edge scientists, heart-led creatives & more on topics such as the true nature of ‘Self’, “what is reality?,” and exploring the fundamental pillars we all need to unlock our fullest potential. Contributing to birthing a more beautiful world, one episode at a time.

  • 2 hours 6 minutes
    E185 - Henry Shukman: A Zen Master With 40 Years of Practice on Who You Really Are

    Zen teacher and author Henry Shukman offers a clear and grounded introduction to the heart of Zen practice. We explore how awakening is not an escape from life, but a deeper participation in it — a realization that dissolves the illusion of separation and reveals a boundless field of awareness and love.


    Henry shares his own spontaneous awakening experience at 19, the profound insight that life is not divided between self and world, and the difficult healing journey that followed. From mindfulness and meditation to flow states, jhanas, koans, and the role of trauma in spiritual growth, this conversation maps out a path that integrates awakening with emotional healing.


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    00:00 Intro

    01:26 An Introduction to Zen

    13:10 The Premise of Original Love

    17:14 Training the Mind Like the Body

    20:54 Freedom From Identification With Thought

    27:50 What Are the Jhanas?

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    33:54 Tasting Awakening for Yourself

    45:17 Awakening vs Psychological Healing

    50:17 Awakening as an Ongoing Path

    54:54 The Distinct Path of Zen

    59:13 Koans as a Path to Insight

    1:13:53 The Enlightenment of the Mundane

    1:20:07 The Freedom of Emptiness

    1:26:16 The Necessity of Meditation Practice

    1:34:32 Sweeping the Yard (A Zen Poem)

    1:43:33 Beauty, Ethics, and Interconnection

    1:47:33 The Journey to a Whole Heart (A Poem on Heartbreak)

    2:02:58 Original Love in a Fragmented World

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    10 March 2026, 1:00 pm
  • 2 hours 31 minutes
    E184 - Dr. Sue Morter: What Actually Causes Energetic Blocks (And How to Release Them)

    Dr. Sue Morter returns to explore what it truly means to awaken — not as a concept, but as a lived, embodied experience. Beneath our protective personality and performance-driven identity lies a deeper intelligence — an electromagnetic master system that governs healing, perception, and consciousness itself.


    In this conversation, we explore how nervous system regulation opens the doorway to higher awareness, why triggers are invitations to reclaim lost parts of ourselves, and how building energetic circuitry transforms reactive patterns into creative power. From subtle anatomy and the Shoshumna channel to the relationship between consciousness and matter, this episode bridges science and spirituality in a grounded, practical way.


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    00:00 Intro

    5:48 The Illusion of Inherent Brokenness

    11:37 The Fuel Behind Achievement

    17:21 The Protective Personality

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    32:46 The Return to Second Innocence

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    48:13 Expanding the Space Between Stimulus and Response

    1:04:06 The Science of Subtle Anatomy

    1:29:24 The Limits of Spiritual Language

    1:43:07 Embodiment of Expanded Awareness

    1:49:02 Moving From Joy Instead of Lack

    1:54:16 The Transformative Power of Immersive Experience

    2:15:22 Surrendering Fully Into Feeling

    2:25:42 A Message to the Heart of Humanity

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    3 March 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 40 minutes
    E183 - Nir Eyal: How Your Beliefs Shape What You See (And Hold You Back)

    Nir Eyal joins the podcast to explore one of the most foundational forces shaping our lives: belief. What if the way you see reality isn’t reality itself, but a simulation filtered through prior assumptions, expectations, and unconscious scripts?


    In this conversation, we unpack the difference between fact, faith, and belief—and why most of our suffering stems from confusing the three. Nir shares powerful research on predictive processing, placebo and nocebo effects, learned helplessness, and how our expectations literally alter what we see, feel, and experience in our bodies.


    From secular prayer and gratitude practices to Byron Katie’s turnaround method, this episode is a deep dive into how to move from limiting beliefs to liberating ones. If beliefs are tools, then the real question becomes: are the ones you’re using serving you?


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    00:00 Intro

    01:35 The Difference Between Fact, Faith, and Belief

    05:36 Illusions of Reality

    07:29 The Core of Our Perception

    15:52 Where to Start Enacting Change on Your Life

    19:53 Beliefs as Tools, Not Truths

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    26:32 The Cosmic Slot Machine

    37:39 Spotting Your Limiting Beliefs

    46:39 The Prison of Our Own Making

    51:33 Why We Perceive Threats Everywhere

    1:00:18 Becoming Indistractable

    1:12:57 What Attention Means Today versus the Past

    1:26:44 The Motivation Triangle

    1:32:00 Closing Thoughts

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    24 February 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 2 hours 53 minutes
    E182 - Swami Sarvapriyananda: The Advaita Vedanta Explanation of Reality, the Self & Suffering

    Swami Sarvapriyananda unpacks the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta and its central claim: you are not the body, not the mind, not even your thoughts — you are pure consciousness itself. Through rigorous reasoning rather than blind belief, he guides us step by step into a direct inquiry of who we truly are.


    We explore the limits of faith-based religion, the pitfalls of mystical experience, the distinction between intelligence and consciousness in the age of AI, and the profound implications of non-duality. This conversation is not about adopting a belief system — it is about dismantling false identities until only the undeniable remains.


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    00:00 Intro

    01:18 What Is Advaita Vedanta

    06:44 The Promise Freedom From Suffering

    10:16 Liberation While Living

    15:09 The Three Spiritual Paths

    23:38 The Path of Knowledge Jnana Yoga

    28:42 Discovering Our Ignorance

    29:49 Descartes and the Indubitable Self

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    34:50 Deconstructing the Self

    37:18 Are You the Body

    42:09 From Body to Breath to Mind

    47:30 AI and the Difference Between Intelligence and Consciousness

    49:12 Consciousness in Deep Sleep

    52:23 If Not Body or Mind What Are You

    53:23 Pure Consciousness Explained

    55:04 Dualism vs Non Dualism

    57:42 The Dream Analogy

    59:17 Maya and the Appearance of the Universe

    01:00:28 Ocean and Wave Analogy

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    01:03:35 The Shift From Person to Awareness

    01:10:00 Awareness as the Ground of Reality

    01:18:00 The Root of Suffering

    01:26:00 Ego Attachment and Fear

    01:34:00 Living as Pure Awareness

    01:42:00 Practical Self Inquiry

    01:50:00 Free Will Karma and Responsibility

    02:02:00 The Illusion of Individuality

    02:14:00 Consciousness and Modern Science

    02:26:00 Death Rebirth and Liberation

    02:38:00 What Enlightenment Really Means

    02:50:00 Final Clarifications on Non Duality

    02:55:00 Closing Reflections

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    17 February 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 27 minutes
    E181 - Joscha Bach: A Cognitive Scientist’s Guide to Consciousness & The Illusion of Reality

    Joscha Bach explores the nature of consciousness, free will, and reality through the lens of computation, cognitive science, and philosophy. Rather than treating the mind as a mystical entity, Joscha frames consciousness as a constructed dream—a model generated by the brain to make sense of the world and coordinate behavior.


    We examine why beliefs should remain provisional, how the self functions as a useful fiction, and why suffering emerges when internal learning signals misfire. Joscha explains why free will feels real even if decisions arise before awareness, how meaning exists beyond the individual ego, and why wisdom is not simply knowledge but the ability to orient oneself within larger systems of value.


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    00:00 Intro: Josha Bach

    04:24 Agnosticism, Evidence, and Logical Alternatives

    11:20 Reality as a Mental Simulation

    13:00 What Physicalism Actually Claims

    16:55 Telepathy, Rituals, and Distributed Minds

    19:45 Consciousness Does Not Make Decisions

    22:55 Free Will as a Post-Hoc Story

    24:00 Consciousness as a Trance State

    26:00 Meditation and the Illusion of Self

    29:10 Out-of-Body Experiences Explained

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    36:30 Why the Brain Fills in Missing Reality

    39:50 Dreams, Selves, and Narrative Identity

    43:20 Intelligence, Models, and World-Building

    47:10 Why Reality Feels Stable

    51:00 Meaning, Agency, and Mental Compression

    55:10 Why Consciousness Feels Central (But Isn’t)

    59:30 The Psychological World vs Physical Reality

    1:04:10 Intelligence Without Awareness

    1:08:45 The Cost of Believing the Self Is Real

    1:13:30 Waking Up From the Narrative

    1:18:40 What a Cognitive Science View Really Implies

    1:23:30 Final Thoughts: Living Inside the Dream

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    3 February 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 34 minutes
    E180 - David Ghiyam: The Universal Laws of Creating Prosperity & Wholeness in Life

    In this conversation, David Ghiyam shares the spiritual framework that has guided his life for over 25 years—one rooted in the idea that reality operates according to universal spiritual laws, just as it does physical ones. Drawing from Kabbalistic wisdom and lived experience, David explains how the soul’s purpose is not comfort, but transformation, and how life’s challenges are designed to reconnect us with a deeper source of fulfillment.


    We explore the concept of the “light of the Creator,” the idea of spiritual baggage carried across lifetimes, and why pain, relationships, and adversity act as mirrors for inner growth. David reflects on periods of profound darkness in his own life—financial collapse, loss, doubt—and how a shift from victimhood to responsibility opened the door to unexpected clarity, healing, and abundance.


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    00:00 Intro - David Ghiyam

    04:57 The light of the Creator

    08:25 External teaching vs internal understanding

    12:36 Kabbalah in the life of David

    18:39 What is the source of consciousness?

    26:50 The trap of “needing” energy

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    32:21 Does everything happen for a reason?

    39:43 The magnetic quality of being whole

    52:51 The role of business in our spiritual paths

    59:55 Protecting the seed

    1:09:08 How to practice trust in your intuition

    1:18:18 One spiritual law people violate daily

    1:29:26 Closing thoughts

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    27 January 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 33 minutes
    E179 - Reggie Watts: The Absurdity of Being a Human Being

    In this conversation, Reggie Watts explores creativity not as a skill reserved for a few, but as the fundamental way human beings relate to reality itself. From comedy and music to improvisation, paradox, and play, Reggie reflects on how we’re constantly creating our experience of life—often without realizing it.


    We talk about absurdity as a doorway to truth, humor as a form of instantaneous awakening, and why laughter momentarily dissolves identity, ideology, and certainty. Reggie shares how improvisation shapes his philosophy of living, why structure exists to be transcended, and how playfulness restores a sense of freedom in a world that often feels rigid and over-defined.


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    00:00 Intro - Reggie Watts

    04:54 The absurdity of being human

    07:21 The insight gained through self-reflection

    11:34 The philosophy of improv

    19:06 Realizing the artist in you

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    25:44 Reggie’s form of death meditation

    38:14 Altered states as a reference point

    46:09 Not all transpersonal experiences are equal

    52:43 Reframing anxiety after altered states

    1:03:25 It’s all an illusion

    1:12:44 Service to self vs service to others

    1:19:28 Building community

    1:23:15 Closing thoughts

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    20 January 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 2 hours 59 minutes
    E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown

    In this conversation, Jesse Michels joins me to explore a question that’s becoming harder to dismiss: what if the phenomenon we call UFOs points to something real—and we don’t yet know what it is? Rather than arguing for belief or disbelief, this episode is an invitation to curiosity, careful inquiry, and intellectual honesty about the limits of our current understanding.


    We examine historical UFO encounters near nuclear sites, government secrecy, and the growing body of anomalies that don’t sit comfortably within a purely materialist worldview. This is a conversation about staying grounded while remaining open. About asking better questions. And about whether phenomena like UFOs, non-human intelligence, or something we haven’t yet named might be nudging us to expand how we think about reality, consciousness, and our place in the universe.


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    00:00 Intro

    06:36 Questioning the Nature of Reality

    09:18 A Timeline of Non-Human Intelligence Evidence

    23:37 Why Nuclear Sites Attract Attention

    31:55 Extraordinary Claims, Extraordinary Evidence

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    41:51 Letting Go of Human-Centric Thinking

    47:49 Studying Claims Without Dismissing People

    58:58 Non-Human Biologics and Physical Evidence

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    1:07:25 What May Have Been Quietly Explored

    1:18:55 The Hidden Branch of Physics

    1:26:38 Reframing Aliens Through Consciousness

    1:33:33 Grays, Nordics, and Reptilians Explained

    1:40:10 Why We Don’t See Reality Directly

    1:53:58 Glimpses Outside Linear Time

    1:58:44 Why Aliens Look Strangely Human

    2:07:32 Shared Phenomena in Altered States

    2:15:32 Jesse’s Personal UFO Experiences

    2:23:35 The Monolith as a Metaphor

    2:29:07 The Problem With Visual Proof

    2:35:24 What Is Actually Happening?

    2:46:47 Voices Worth Listening To

    2:51:22 What Would You Ask an Alien?

    2:53:19 Closing Thoughts

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    13 January 2026, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 32 minutes
    E177 - Key Insights to Enter 2026 With Clarity, Focus, and Direction

    This final episode of the year is a special compilation reflecting on the lessons, reminders, and moments that shaped 2025. It’s a curated journey through insights from across the year—designed to help you slow down, take stock, and step into 2026 with greater clarity, presence, and intention.


    This episode is less about doing more and more about listening—reflecting on the growth, challenges, relationships, and inner shifts that defined the past year. It’s an invitation to notice what wants to be released, what wants to be integrated, and what seeds you’re ready to water moving forward. Sometimes all it takes is a one-degree change in direction to alter the entire path ahead.


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    00:00:00 Intro

    00:01:37 Review 2025 Instead of Planning 2026 (E166 – Tim Ferriss)

    00:05:27 The Most Important Practice of 2026 (E152 – Mark Manson)

    00:10:11 There Is No Wealth Without Health (E128 – Mindy Pelz)

    00:12:26 The Importance of a Bedtime Routine (E143 – Michael Beckwith)

    00:17:59 How To Grasp The Opportunity of Life (E119 – Marianne Williamson)

    00:25:16 The Power of Entrainment (E145 – Dr. Theresa Bullard)

    00:31:01 Be Careful With What You Desire (E160 – Aaron Abke)

    00:35:18 Explore Your Relationship With Money (E140 – Lewis Howes)

    00:41:59 Ad – Momentous

    00:43:14 Happiness is an Inside Job (E149 – Dr. Thema Bryant)

    00:48:16 The Unique Opportunity of Our Times (E154 – Sadhguru)

    00:53:25 How To Discover Your Dharma (E155 – Dr. K)

    01:01:11 Living The Moment You're Meant To Live (E164 – Dr. John Demartini)

    01:07:53 The Problem With Manifestation (E118 – Aaron Doughty)

    01:13:29 Finding Stability in Surrender (E135 – Yung Pueblo)

    01:16:23 Relaxing Into Instability (E146 – Cory Muscara)

    01:20:42 Looking Back To Plan Ahead (E158 – Tom Campbell)

    01:24:35 A Different Perspective of the Future (E165 – Dr. Iain McGilchrist)

    01:29:04 The Unlimited Potential of Being Human (E134 – Peter Crone)

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    Michael Beckwith: https://youtu.be/r3wrUmE1L3w

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    23 December 2025, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 55 minutes
    E176 - Dr. Mindy Pelz: Why Midlife Feels So Disorienting (And What It’s Trying to Teach You)

    Dr. Mindy Pelz returns to explore the deeper meaning of aging, menopause, and the profound psychological and neurological transformations women undergo as they grow older. Drawing from neuroscience, anthropology, mythology, and personal experience, Mindy reframes menopause not as a decline—but as an initiation into wisdom, sovereignty, and inner authority.


    We discuss the concept of the “second innocence,” the pruning and rewiring of the female brain across hormonal transitions, the grandmother hypothesis, and why modern culture fears aging women. Mindy shares how trauma, grief, solitude, and uncertainty can become gateways to resilience, neuroplasticity, and self-discovery—especially when women stop outsourcing their worth and begin listening inward.


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    00:00 Intro - Dr. Mindy Pelz

    03:39 The return to the second innocence

    08:18 What’s the purpose of menopause?

    16:09 Where the shift begins

    23:04 Supporting others without abandoning yourself

    31:57 Being considerate vs owning others’ emotions

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    35:55 The power of solitude

    43:26 Letting go

    52:48 From power over to power within

    56:48 The brain architecture of wisdom

    1:02:24 Transformation: From a caterpillar to a butterfly

    1:19:58 Fasting during menopause

    1:26:35 Knowing when and how to detox

    1:32:31 Healing through breathwork, EMDR, psilocybin

    1:45:12 Lacking a support system

    1:49:07 Closing thoughts

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    16 December 2025, 2:00 pm
  • 1 hour 32 minutes
    E175 - Dr. Will Bulsiewicz: How Stress, Trauma, and Modern Life Break Your Gut & How To Restore Balance

    In this episode, Dr. Will Bulsiewicz walks us through unseen forces shaping our health, energy, and emotional lives. From the chemicals in our food system to the hidden drivers of inflammation and burnout, we dive into why so many people today feel exhausted, misaligned, and disconnected from their true well-being.


    We examine how modern culture normalizes habits and environments that work against our biology, and why healing requires more than symptom management — it demands addressing the root causes, rebuilding alignment, and taking ownership of what we allow into our bodies and minds.


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    00:00 Intro: Will Bulsiewicz

    02:34 How much of our mood is controlled by our gut?

    09:40 Two diseases: individualism and materialism

    23:30 The intelligence that lives in our gut

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    36:46 What is immune intelligence?

    48:01 Detoxing from environmental toxins

    54:54 Why are chemical companies allowed to poison us?

    57:39 A short horror story

    1:02:45 Looking out for what to avoid

    1:05:27 The effects of factory farming on our bodies

    1:17:36 Humans are the microbes of the Earth

    1:26:23 Conclusion: Changing the world


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    9 December 2025, 2:00 pm
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