- 1 hour 3 minutesEstée Lalonde on Building Mirror Water and finally asking for help
“I love a trier. It doesn’t matter where it goes. If you are actually out there trying, that’s the special sauce right there.” - Estée Lalonde
Estée Lalonde has spent 16 years as a content creator, building an audience of more than a million YouTube subscribers. When she launched her body care brand Mirror Water, she’d never had a corporate job and had never used a spreadsheet. Five years later, the brand is mostly self-funded and has grown entirely organically, with no paid media until recently. It’s stocked in Space NK, Liberty, Selfridges and Cult Beauty. In this episode, Estée gets honest about the difference between building an audience and building a business. She talks about why followers don’t automatically become customers, why she still doesn’t take a salary from her own brand, and what it really takes to launch a beauty brand on a fraction of the usual budget.
For aspiring female entrepreneurs and creators who want to build a brand that stands on its own, this is a candid look at creator-led brands and retail. Estée shares the founder mistakes she’d undo (hello, expensive office), how landing her first stockist and one glowing press review changed everything, and why she’s always asking other founders for help. She also covers how she weighs raising investment against staying independent, how she splits her time between Mirror Water and her YouTube channel, and how she’s keeping the brand distinct on an increasingly crowded body care shelf. She also opens up about the year she finally asked for help, why “good enough” isn’t good enough anymore, and why networking in person still matters.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: Meet Estée Lalonde
02:26 — The Year She Finally Asked for Help
09:48 — Nobody’s Coming to Save You
12:59 — Why You Have to Be in the Room
18:45 — Why “Good Enough” Isn’t Good Enough Anymore
23:16 — Founder Mistakes, Motherhood & Having It All
30:07 — Falling Back in Love With YouTube
33:07 — How Mirror Water Started
37:09 — A Brand That Never Tells You to Do More
41:03 — Raising Money vs Staying Self-Funded
44:42 — Running a Brand and a Channel at Once
47:45 — Why Followers Don’t Equal Customers
50:33 — What Moved the Needle: Stockists, Press & Founder Friends
53:55 — Standing Out on a Crowded Shelf
56:32 — Setting the Tone for What’s Next + Where to Find Estée
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Estée Lalonde on Instagram: @esteelalonde
Mirror Water on Instagram: @mirrorwater.earth
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27 October 2026, 3:42 am - 48 minutes 31 secondsHow Saie Built a Diehard Beauty Community
“The audience comes last, so that they can come first.” - Erin Starkweather
How does a beauty brand that only launched in November 2019 end up selling one Glowy Super Gel every 10 seconds at Sephora? Erin Starkweather, Creative Director of Saie Beauty, has been there even before day one. She started out packing boxes in her apartment on Sunday nights, and today she shapes every visual touchpoint of the brand. Before Saie, Erin worked at Cap Beauty in New York and as a beauty consultant, until founder Laney Crowell brought her in. In this episode, she takes us inside the creative world of one of beauty’s most-loved brands: “easy, effortless and elevated” makeup for skin that looks like yours, only better.
Erin breaks down how a beauty campaign comes together, from the product brief and mood board to the Super Suede Eyeshadow launch starring Helena Christensen, inspired by 90s Steven Meisel imagery. She explains why Saie shoots its baked powders in Italy, how she plans Sephora fixtures and visual merchandising a year in advance while staying nimble, and how often the team shoots to keep content fresh. She also shares how Saie built a diehard community through events, its Clean Beauty Crew, an arts and culture program, and its livestreamed Makeup Class, plus advice for small beauty brands growing a fandom on a low budget. Rounding it out: what it’s like to choose in-house over consulting, what she learned from Laney about not taking no for an answer, and what’s next as Saie launches in Sephora UK. If you work in beauty marketing, brand building or creative direction, or you just love Saie, this one’s for you.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: Meet Saie’s Creative Director
02:55 — How Saie’s Creative Process Works
08:18 — Why “The Audience Comes Last”
09:43 — Why Saie Shoots in Italy
11:13 — From Packing Boxes to Planning a Year Ahead
15:54 — Super Suede Eyeshadow & the One-Shade Look
18:47 — Behind the Helena Christensen Campaign
25:15 — Let’s Build a Beauty Campaign
28:55 — How Saie Built a Diehard Community
34:13 — What Moved the Needle: From Launch to Sephora
38:01 — In-House vs Consulting & Not Taking No
41:58 — Launching Saie in the UK
44:43 — Saie’s Makeup Class & Where to Shop
Connect with our Guest:
Erin Starkweather on Instagram: @erinstarkweather
Saie on Instagram: @saiebeauty
Shop Saie: saiehello.com
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20 October 2026, 1:05 am - 39 minutes 13 secondsShared Stages: Does Engagement Make Money with Sally Obermeder
“Likes are a beautiful vanity metric... but if your wallet’s not killing it, why are we doing it?” — Sally Obermeder
This episode was a part of a juicy panel at the Social Summit Manly 2026. We can’t wait to take you behind the curtain with Sally Obermeder, founder of Ziish (formerly Swiish)!
Can you actually get paid for likes on Instagram, TikTok or Facebook? Does 100k likes mean you’re making money? Sally Obermeder, former Channel 7 entertainment reporter turned co-founder of wellness brand Ziish (formerly Swiish), says the answer is no, not on their own. After a stage three cancer diagnosis the day before giving birth, Sally and her sister turned a green smoothie blog into one of Australia’s best-known wellness brands. It now has around 20 products, stocks in all 500 Priceline stores, and launched into Boots in the UK. Recorded live at Social Summit, this fireside chat with Arielle closes the gap between likes, engagement and real sales.
Sally breaks down exactly how to monetize your social media following and turn engagement into revenue. She covers why the algorithm is “pot luck” and why your email list is the land you actually own. She also shares how she builds lead magnets that cost $0 (including the dopamine menu that landed her on Sunrise), how ManyChat comment automations grow your audience, and why “the best way to sell is to not sell.” Other topics include how to collab with bigger brands, how she tests content organically with trial reels before spending on Meta ads, what makes a video ad a “banger,” and how to run IRL events on a small budget. It finishes with live audience Q&A, where Sally gives on-the-spot marketing advice to a small business florist and a B2B consultant. If you’ve ever wondered how creators and small businesses really make money online, this one is for you.
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INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: Meet Sally Obermeder
02:57 — Likes vs. Money & Owning Your Audience
07:45 — Lead Gen That Costs $0: The Dopamine Menu
10:30 — Reaching “Sally”: Wellness-Adjacent Content
13:19 — ManyChat, Collabs & Dating Up in Business
17:39 — Giveaways, Email & the Art of Not Selling
22:21 — Ads: Test Organically, Then Back Winners
26:04 — What Makes a Video a Banger
28:50 — IRL Events: Spend Where It Matters
33:19 — Live Q&A: Sales Advice for Small Businesses
Connect with our Guest:
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Ziish on Instagram: @ziishofficial
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14 October 2026, 6:34 am - 1 hour 1 minuteJamie Green is strapped to a rocket ship, from mag covers to Oprah
"It's all relationships... learn the camera, definitely. But then invest your time in relationships." — Jamie Green
Jamie Green didn't pick up a camera until 2017. Before that, he was building a social enterprise sleepwear label in Melbourne. A move to Byron Bay, photos of his wife for Instagram, and one brand asking "can you do that for us?" turned into a whirlwind career. He has shot campaigns across Europe, a GQ cover with Cody Simpson, Oprah for People, and celebrity work for Netflix, all while being based in a small surf town in Byron Bay.
In this episode, Jamie and Arielle get into the side of photography that has nothing to do with settings. They cover why building trust with talent matters more than a technically perfect shot, how he burnt out shooting five days a week through Covid and stepped back from his career, and the beach swim that led to shooting Oprah. He also explains how meeting Greg Williams changed his whole approach, and what "rolling the dice" on a Paris trip actually looks like. It's an honest look at building a global photography career on relationships, the long game, and the myth of overnight success.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
0:00 — Intro: Meet Jamie Green
01:10 — From a Sleepwear Label to Shooting for Spell
04:50 — The Covid Boom, Paris & the GQ Cover Call
08:09 — How Jamie Builds Trust with Celebrities
12:39 — Tethering, Burnout & Building the Byron Barn
17:30 — Hitting Pause, Then Shooting Oprah
21:27 — Greg Williams & Going Documentary-Style
24:44 — Rolling the Dice in Paris
29:12 — The Long Game: Seeds, Euros & Family Travel
35:26 — Fluid Style, Big Goals & Proving Doubters Wrong
41:39 — Artists, Brands & Reading the Room
45:07 — Shooting for the Archive with Sam
48:56 — NYC Time & the Overnight Success Myth
53:45 — The Netflix Airport Dash
56:54 — Where to Find Jamie, Film Plans & "Stills Only"
Connect with our Guest:
Jamie Green on Instagram: @jamie_.green
Jamie's website: jamiegreen.com.au
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6 October 2026, 3:23 am - 56 minutes 32 secondsStyling for Prada, Cartier & Bvlgari: The Many Hats of a Celebrity Stylist with Jess Pecoraro
Jess Pecoraro didn't know what a stylist was until she walked into the Cosmopolitan fashion cupboard. By 23, she had worked her way through some of Australia's biggest magazines. Then she walked away from her dream job with no clients, no title and no safety net, betting she could build something bigger on her own. Today she's one of Sydney's most in-demand celebrity stylists and fashion brand consultants. Her work spans Fashion Week runways, GQ Men of the Year, NGV x Cartier Gala, luxury trunk shows, brand consulting and private clients on retainer.
In this episode, Jess breaks down the many hats a stylist wears beyond the clothes themselves. On a runway she's across the fittings, castings, hair and makeup briefs, music and lighting. Brands bring her in before a collection is even designed ("700 tops for one pair of pants"), and she tells her favourite clients to "just tell me the budget." She's honest about cash flow, the Covid-era business she launched and closed, learning to be on camera, and why she kept her second pregnancy quiet to protect her client base. It's a rare, candid look at building a service business in a small market, and what "effortless" style really takes behind the scenes.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: From Cosmo Intern to Stylist
04:11 — Quitting at 23 to Go Freelance0
9:04 — The Money Side Nobody Teaches
11:34 — A Covid Business & Camera Fear
16:16 — How Stylists Really Get Paid
19:10 — Why Brands Need a Stylist
23:13 — Big Projects & Private Clients
28:18 — Inside Fashion Week & GQ
39:09 — Motherhood Without Losing Clients
44:58 — The Effort Behind "Effortless"
48:49 — Can a Styling Business Scale?
54:08 — Fave Aussie Brands + Where to Find Jess
Connect with our Guest:
Jess Pecoraro on Instagram: @jess_pecoraro
Jess on Substack: @bluejeansanddiamonds
Brand & business enquiries: [email protected]
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29 September 2026, 8:13 am - 37 minutes 13 secondsFounder and Expert-Led Video Content: The Complete Framework for 2026
If you're a founder, business owner, or the person on the marketing team who keeps getting told "we need more founder videos" , this episode is the actual framework, not just the advice why & how to do it.
In this Petit, Arielle breaks down exactly how she produces founder-led and expert-led video content for her own retainer clients, including real case studies from Sheila the Label and McMullen & Co. She covers two filming methods (the interview approach and the "chat-to-camera" method), why founder-led content is becoming the biggest competitive edge a small business has against AI-generated content and fast-fashion-style brand positioning, and closes with 15 specific content prompts you can use immediately free download linked below.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why founder-led video content is becoming essential for SEO and AI-search visibility, not just social engagement
Two proven filming methods for founder and expert-led videos — no crew or script required
How one interview becomes 5+ pieces of content (hero video, B-roll, trial reels)
15 ready-to-use prompts for founders who don't know what to say on camera
A real distribution and posting cadence you can actually stick to
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: Why Founder Videos Matter Now
03:36 — The Market Shift: Why Brands Like Zara Are Repositioning
05:18 — The Emotional Reality of Showing Up on Camera
09:40 — Method One: The Interview Approach
09:51 — Case Study: Alice McMullen — One Sitting Becomes 5 Videos
14:44 — Case Study Two: Claire & Sheila the Label
18:38 — Method Two: Chat-to-Camera ("Yapping")
20:07 — The Real Secret: Answer, Don't Announce
22:37 — The 15 Prompts, Part 1: Curiosity, Opinions & What You See Differently
27:16 — The 15 Prompts, Part 2: Credentials, Principles & the Future You're Building
31:59 — Distribution: Post Everywhere, Test & Commit to One a Week
32:53 — Recap & Call to Action
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22 September 2026, 2:20 am - 1 hour 6 minutesWhy Fashion Still Chases Film: Inside Brydie Mack's World
Most photographers shooting fashion campaigns today work in digital, instant previews, instant safety net. Brydie Mack, known to her audience as Wolf Cub, doesn't. She shoots everything on film: three to four rolls per look, five different cameras on set as backup, and a vague idea of what she's actually got until the lab sends it back.
In this episode, Brydie breaks down exactly what it takes to specialize in film in an industry that's mostly moved on from it, the real cost and risk of every shoot, why brands are chasing the medium-format, hand-printed look right now, the airport scanner mistake that can ruin a week of work, and her honest take on why AI is about to make "handmade" the new luxury. She also opens up about stepping back from photography as her next chapter, and gives us the first real look at Lens, the film photography course she's building to pass on everything she knows.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — About Brydie and the Wolf Club Origin
04:47 — On-set Politics
08:03 — The Cost & Risk of Film Photography
09:11 — Photography Heroes
13:52 — Anatomy of a shoot
15:49 — Camera Recommendations for beginners
18:56 — Film Stocks and Flying with Film
22:43 — Managing Shoot Days
24:33 — Dream Clients & US Visa Problems
29:08 — Life Outside Work
34:16 — Boundaries on travelling for work
35:58 — A Photographer’s Dream Model
39:21 — Pitching Jobs
40:20 — Photography Inspiration
44:59 — Shooting Nudes
52:53 — AI in Photo & Film Industry
59:34 — Szilvesztre Mako
1:00:29 — Film Lab Recommendations
1:03:36 — Advice for aspiring film photographers
1:04:15 — Connect with Brydie
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Brydie Mack (Wolf Cub) on Instagram @wolfcubwolfcub
Website: brydiemack.com
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22 September 2026, 2:19 am - 1 hour 13 minutesThe Story Behind Persona's Debut Issue, with Bella Freud
"It's an object of obsession about one woman... you genuinely get an intimacy that you cannot find anywhere else." — Grace O'Neill & Paulina Paige
Grace O'Neill and Paulina Paige have built magazines and campaigns for some of the biggest names in fashion media. But this time, they threw out every rule they knew and started from zero with no guardrails, no existing audience, no safety net. The result is Persona: a biannual, single-subject magazine that reads more like a coffee table book than a glossy, with its debut issue built entirely around Bella Freud.
In this exclusive interview, Grace and Paulina walk through exactly how Persona came together, the cold email that convinced Bella Freud to say yes, the unpublished 90s photo archive they talked a photographer into handing over, getting the rights to a Lucian Freud portrait, and the real numbers behind launching a $75 magazine with zero followers. It's a rare, honest look at what it actually takes to build a print product from scratch in 2026 - the creative risk-taking, the budget conversations, and the trust it takes to hand a stylist "a little kernel of an idea" and let them run the thing.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: Grace & Paulina The Lead-Up to Persona
05:27 — From Massive Infrastructure to Doing It All Themselves
07:41 — What They Knew Going In
14:26 — What If a Magazine Had No Rules?
16:47 — Deciding on Bella Freud
18:52 — The Cold Email That Got Bella Freud on Board
22:08 — The Moment They Knew It Was Really Happening
22:57 — Building the Book Around What They Had
31:35 — Is It Really an Australian Magazine?
34:16 — Talking Budgets: Landing Dior & Reframing Beauty With Mecca
42:14 — What It Actually Takes to Print
44:18 — Production vs. Printing
48:23 — The Launch Gamble
53:32 — How Much Room Does This Take Up in Your Life?
58:24 — Partnership
1:00:29 — Where the Creative Stimulus Comes From
1:04:00 — Second Issue?
1:08:32 — Where to Find Them
1:10:15 — Persona Launch Party
Take a look at Persona:
Persona Magazine: www.persona-magazine.com
Instagram @thepersonamagazine
Connect with our Guests:
Grace O'Neill on Instagram: @grceoneill
Paulina Ortega on Instagram: @paulinapaige
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22 September 2026, 2:15 am - 31 minutes 55 secondsAllow me to reintroduce myself: The story behind Process the Podcast
"My parents owned a five star luxury hotel that they built when I was ten... it formed me in a way that I cannot even comprehend." — Arielle Thomas
For over 140 episodes, Arielle's been the one asking the questions. This week, she turned the mic on herself. With so many new listeners joining after the Merit episode went viral, it felt like time to rewind the tape, who she actually is, how Process the Podcast came to exist, and where her seven-figure production company, Cinema Thom, stands today.
From growing up behind the scenes of her parents' five-star hotel, to a teenage sales job at Scanlan Theodore, to acting school in New York, to directing a Kmart TikTok vertical that helped drive enormous value for shareholders.
This is the full, unfiltered walk through everything that built the person behind Process. It's personal, it's honest, and it's the episode to send anyone who's ever asked, "wait, how did you get into this?"
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Process the Podcast and Arielle's Origin Story
01:45 — Growing Up in Hotels: The Lyall
03:42 — Learning the Value of a Dollar
05:20 — Moving to New York for Acting School
06:00 — Coming Home & Arielle's Acting Career
08:17 — Behind the Camera with Meat and Potatoes
10:54 — Working with Kmart
14:09 — The TikTok Era
17:45 — Global Expansion: Anko Philippines
19:43 — How Process the Podcast Came to Be
21:21 — Process Today
27:52 — Cinema Thom Today
28:30 — What's Next?Enjoyed this Episode?
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22 September 2026, 2:13 am - 55 minutes 17 secondsFrom Princess Diana to Kim Kardashian: How Joh Bailey Built Legacy and Relevance for 41 Years
"You can't afford to be an arsehole if you're famous; people talk about it too much." - Joh Bailey
Forty-one years ago, Joh Bailey opened a single Double Bay salon with one goal: to be number one. Today, that same "no bullshit" philosophy has taken him from doing Princess Diana's hair on royal visits to building his own haircare line from scratch; tested, adjusted, and re-tested until it was right.
In this episode, Joh gets refreshingly honest about what it actually takes to survive four decades in an industry built on trends: the phone call from Buckingham Palace that changed everything, what working with clients like Kim Kardashian taught her about fame and behaviour, surviving the GFC when she and her business partner Marilyn had "no idea what to do" with the money coming in, and why she still tests every product on himself before it ever reaches a client. It's part masterclass, part memoir, and a genuinely funny, unfiltered look at what it takes to build something that lasts.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro: 41 Years & the Marilyn Partnership
03:05 — The Non-Verbal Language of hair
06:45 — The accidental business partner
09:01 — Breaking the judgement intimidation in salons
11:08 — Anatomy of a world class blow-dry
15:41 — Doing Princess Diana's Hair
21:53 — 40 Years of Ups & Downs
26:47 — Celebrity Clients
28:25 — Building the Haircare Line
33:20 — The harsh reality on how to have good hair
35:02 —Business Advice for Hard Times
29:23 — Going Global?
40:02 — Giving Back & Handwritten Notes
42:25 — Can Damaged Hair Be Repaired?
46:05 — Work Ethic
47:32— What's Next?
54:01 — Connect with Joh
Connect with our Guest:
Joh Bailey on Instagram: @johbaileyofficial
Joh Bailey Salons & Haircare: johbailey.com.au
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22 September 2026, 2:10 am - 59 minutes 8 secondsHow Merit Built a Cult Following Before It Had a Name with Aila Morin
Aila Morin is the founding Chief Marketing Officer of Merit Beauty, one of the fastest-growing brands in the beauty industry. On this episode of Process, host Arielle Thomas sits down with Aila for a rare, in-depth conversation about brand building, marketing strategy, and product development, from Merit's earliest days as an anonymous Instagram account to its most recent Clean Volume mascara launch.
Aila walks through how Merit built a loyal community before the brand even had a name, why the company skipped paid advertising entirely for its first four months, and how a single UX fix increased sales by more than 100%. She also gets candid about product failures, the emotional weight of building something people trust, and why Merit has no interest in using AI in its creative process.
This conversation covers founder transparency, marketing strategy, brand building, product development, and the beauty industry from the inside, a masterclass for anyone building a brand, working in marketing, or curious how one of beauty's most consistent companies actually operates day to day.
INSIDE THE EPISODE:
00:00 — Intro
00:38 — How Merit Came to Be
03:15 — Finding the White Space in Beauty
05:10 — Building a Brand That Doesn't Need the Product
07:17 — Learning to Sell from the Shop Floor
09:46 — The Secret Instagram Account That Became Merit
11:33 — Skipping Paid Ads for Community as a Focus Group
13:12 — Why Great Brands Aren't Built on Virality
16:59 — Reinventing the Foundation Stick
22:13 — Data Over Market Reports: Building Clean Volume
26:11 — The Kaizen Approach to Product Development
29:24 — Story First: How a Launch Actually Gets Built
34:15 — Why Merit Never Starts With the Grid
35:20 — Casting With a Story: Whitney Leavitt & Karen Pittman
38:10 — Self-Doubt Behind the Confidence
40:28 — Owning Polarizing Reviews
42:17 — What Hasn't Worked
44:30 — The Unglamorous Reality of Running Merit
46:22 — Building a Brand That Lasts 100 Years
49:00 — Clean Volume's "See to Believe" Sampling Strategy
50:37 — The Future of Social & Why No AI Creative
52:41 — Arielle's Personal Encounter With Merit
55:36 — Beauty: Shame vs. Belonging
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• Merit Beauty on Instagram: @merit
• Website: meritbeauty.com
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