- 59 minutes 12 secondsE175: Dan Tapiero: This Crypto Strategy is Boring, But It Will Make You Rich
Dan Tapiero is the Founder of 50T Funds, a growth-stage equity fund exclusively focused on the digital asset ecosystem, and one of the few Wall Street veterans who has been publicly bullish on crypto since 2019.
In this episode, Dan reveals why crypto is the greatest macro investment of all time, why most investors will lose money despite being right, and why his $50 trillion thesis may actually be conservative.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
2:00 Kast Card Discussion
2:40 Dan’s Framework For Investing In Businesses
5:29 Why Equity Over Tokenization
12:19 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
13:05 Dan’s Bullish Tweet Style Explained
19:55 The Shift That Makes Someone Confident
28:00 Partnership: @KASTxyz
28:48 Why Markets Tend To Do The Unexpected
32:23 Conviction In Bitcoin Is Becoming Much Harder
41:03 How Dan Raises Money During A Bear Market
46:24 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @Ethena
47:07 Why Dan Is Confident Crypto Will Go To $50 Trillion
52:02 How Agentic AI Will Help Crypto Reach $50 Trillion
54:33 The Numbers Behind ETH & SOL Post $50 Trillion
58:30 Closing Thoughts
18 June 2026, 2:15 pm - 1 hour 15 minutesE174: Tarek Mansour, Kalshi CEO: Why Prediction Markets Are the Future of Investing
Tarek Mansour is the co-founder and CEO of Kalshi, the largest federally regulated prediction market exchange in the US - valued at $2 billion and backed by some of the world's top investors.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
3:11 Where The Anime Passion Comes From
4:01 How Tarek Is Doing
4:53 Who Is Tarek
7:02 Which Version Of Uncertainty Is Tarek A Fan Of
9:10 Where Tarek’s Fire In The Belly Comes From
13:33 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
14:20 What Tarek’s Brother Does
15:19 Why Tarek’s Resilience Is Crazy
16:31 Why Is Entrepreneurship Like Therapy
22:16 Is Tarek Mad, Crazy, Or In Denial
24:45 Would Tarek Have Ever Given Up Earlier?
29:54 Partnerships: @KASTxyz @sumsub
31:19 How To Focus On Inputs, Not Results
33:16 When Did Kalshi Come Into Existence
36:00 What’s The True Innovation Of Prediction Markets
38:28 How Prediction Markets Revolutionize The Media
43:47 How Are Prediction Markets A Better Insurance
44:55 Why Is There No Leverage In Prediction Markets
47:16 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @Ethena
48:00 Tarek’s Opinion On Insider Trading
51:19 Who Enforces The Insider Trading Rules
55:26 How Kalshi Surveys Suspicious Behavior
56:59 Tarek’s Honest View On Crypto
59:41 Why Kalshi Is Launching Regulated Perps In The U.S
1:00:30 What Does Regulated Perps Mean?
1:02:22 Was Kalshi Inspired By HyperLiquid
1:03:41 How Much Time Does Tarek Look At Competition
1:05:58 What’s The Endgame For Kalshi
1:07:06 What Does Tarek Do With A Billion Dollars
1:08:31 Is Tarek Happy
1:13:08 One Thing Tarek Should Let Go Of
1:14:18 Closing Thoughts
1 June 2026, 1:30 pm - 1 hour 23 minutesE173: Raoul Pal: The AI Race Will Make Crypto Holders Rich
Raoul Pal, co-founder of Real Vision, returns to break down why the AI race is the biggest capital event in human history and why crypto holders are positioned to win.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
2:00 Traveling Non-Stop & Kast Card Discussion
5:00 What Raoul’s Been Up To The Past 4 Months
7:24 Why The Stock Market Never Ceases To Grow
10:33 What Is The Economic Singularity?
15:03 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
15:49 Is It Still Early To Invest In AI?
17:44 Is Crypto Superior To AI Investment Wise
19:38 Crypto’s Reasons For Going Up Forever
22:54 Bitcoin Going From $126k - $60k Is A Nasty Correction
28:35 Why Raoul Started Buying Zcash
30:12 What Are The Left & Right Curve Trades?
30:47 Partnerships: @KASTxyz @sumsub
32:12 How Raoul Thinks About Allocation With Zcash
32:59 Raoul’s Thoughts On Hyperliquid & Hype Token
41:13 How To Measure Intelligence For Layer Ones
45:56 Why DeFi Isn’t Dead According To Raoul
51:09 How Do You Structure An NFT Portfolio?
56:04 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @Ethena
56:47 Should People Only Focus On The Top Grail NFTs
59:35 Raoul’s Plan To Lend Against NFTs
1:00:44 Is Bitcoin A Proxy Trade For AI
1:02:05 Why You Should Never Sell Unless You Have To
1:04:33 The Numbers Behind Buying & Holding vs Trading
1:10:47 Raoul’s Advice On Developing Patience
1:14:55 Why People Should Stay In Crypto
1:17:06 Why There’s Hope For Crypto In 2026 & 2027
1:22:35 Closing Thoughts
29 May 2026, 11:48 am - 2 hours 16 minutesE172: Michael Saylor: How To Get Rich With Crypto (Without Working Hard)
Michael Saylor is the Founder and Chairman of Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), the world's largest corporate holder of Bitcoin with roughly 818,000 BTC and over $65 billion in capital.
After surviving a 99.8% stock collapse that left his company three days from bankruptcy, he rebuilt it into a "reserve bank for Bitcoin" - issuing products like STRC that pay an 11.5% monthly dividend, tax-deferred.
In this episode, he breaks down how to build lasting, passive wealth with Bitcoin, why he believes there's no second best in crypto, and why working hard may be the worst financial advice you can follow.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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00:00 Intro03:05 Explain what you do to an Uber driver05:35 Advice for Rick, the struggling Uber driver07:07 Who is Michael Saylor?11:02 Sponsors Trezor & Bitwise11:48 Kevin's Business Intelligence Company13:14 Michael's childhood and chip on the shoulder17:56 Has Michael conquered the world yet?19:49 Just because you can, doesn't mean you should28:23 Sponsors Kast, Sumsub30:02 Low time preference and scarcity1:01:31 Should you mortage your house to buy Bitcoin?1:09:50 The great $60B in Bitcoin bet: risks1:15:32 Sponsors Jupiter, Ethena1:16:16 Sell the kidney if you must but keep the Bitcoin1:20:14 What's the endgame for Strategy?1:28:16 Where does Bitcoin price end?1:35:34 Should my mom put her life savings in STRC?1:59:09 Why Michael doesn't have children1:59:44 Why working hard is the worst advice you can get2:07:37 Why THERE IS NO SECOND BEST, there is only one crypto asset2:15:03 Thanking Michael from the whole crypto industry21 May 2026, 8:45 pm - 54 minutes 44 secondsE171: Coinsilium CEO: How AI Agents Will Reshape Crypto (And Replace Millions Of Jobs)
Eddie Travia is the co-founder and CEO of Coinsilium Group, the first blockchain company to complete an IPO, and a pioneering crypto investor since 2013.
In this episode, Eddie breaks down how AI agents and crypto are converging into a $15 trillion shift that will reshape investing, fundraising, and entrepreneurship - and explains why millions of jobs won't survive the transition.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
1:56 Tea & Coffee Discussion
5:25 If Eddy Got $10 Million Today, What Would He Do
6:42 Why Does Crypto Make Sense In A World Crisis
8:00 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
8:41 Who Is Eddy Travia?
8:57 Why Eddy Backed WSH Early?
10:04 What Is Coinsilium Explained Through An Analogy
10:40 What Coinsilium Dealt With Last Year
13:33 What Did Coinsilium Do Right In 2025 Despite The Criticism
17:27 The Yellow Network Bet
20:10 Why Yellow Matters?
20:46 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
21:49 Eddy’s Further Thoughts On The Yellow Investment
22:28 Has Anything Good Come Out Of Crypto Lately?
24:08 Why You Need To Be A VC To Win In Crypto
27:27 How To Play Prediction Markets
30:23 How to Position For High-Traction Markets
32:55 How The Investor Environment Is Changing
40:02 How This Changes Eddy's Investing
41:42 What Companies Should Know About The AI Agents Era
44:15 How AI Agents Change Fundraising
46:08 Should The Crypto Industry Fear The AI Brain Drain
48:24 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
49:08 Is Eddy Still Bullish On Crypto?
51:03 Is The $1M Bitcoin Dream Dead?
53:54 Closing Thoughts
14 May 2026, 3:00 pm - 1 hour 13 minutesE170: Ethereum Co-Founder: How Big Tech Will Use AI To Control You (And How Crypto Stops It)
Joseph Lubin, co-founder of Ethereum and CEO of Consensys, warns that big tech is racing to build centralized AI systems that could control humans and every system on the planet - and explains why decentralized protocols are the only architecture standing in the way.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally.
Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
1:55 Kast Card & Hong Kong Discussion
3:52 What It Means To Be Meta According To Joe
5:35 What Does Joe Do Explained Simply
11:53 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
16:27 The Before & After Of Joe’s Beliefs Post 9/11 Explained
18:02 What Does This Negative Or Positive Road Depend On
21:55 Why Joe Goes To Many Crypto Conferences
23:16 How Did Joe React To Novo’s Article Comment
31:14 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
32:16 Why Joe Decided To Join Ethereum As A Co-Founder
35:03 Why Is Decentralization An Organizing Principle
40:32 Explain Consensys To Your Uber Driver
42:57 Joe’s Fundamental Belief Of What Blockchain Represents Today
46:49 Every Innovation On Technology Brings Side Effects That Should Be Fixed
49:33 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
50:17 What’s The Most Incredible, Tangible Thing To Come Out Of Crypto
51:43 What Is MetaMask?
57:01 How Much Of Joe’s Life Is Lived In This New Financial System
59:50 Why Would You Borrow Against A Volatile Asset?
1:00:40 Is Self-Sovereignty A Good Or Bad Thing
1:05:57 Joe’s Response To People Who Claim Self-Custody Is Too Risky
1:06:36 What Could Easier Self-Custody Look Like?
1:08:32 Joe’s Relationship With Money
1:09:28 How Do People Interact With Money In The Next 10 Years
1:12:28 Closing Thoughts
7 May 2026, 2:15 pm - 58 minutes 7 secondsE169: Bitwise Founder: Why Every Major Bank Is Racing Into Crypto Right Now
Hunter Horsley, co-founder and CEO of Bitwise Asset Management, makes the case that this is the most bullish moment in crypto's entire history - with major banks scrambling to catch up and every structural tailwind pointing in the same direction.
From the $400 trillion in global assets beginning to shift toward crypto, to institutions going "zero to 500 miles an hour" on adoption, Hunter breaks down why the new era of crypto is already underway and why it's not too late to be early.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com
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0:00 Introduction
1:55 Coffee & Swiss People Discussion
3:36 Is Hunter The ADHD Guy, The Operator, Or A Mix Of Them Both
7:28 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
8:08 How Hunter’s Relationship With Avichal Led To Bitwise’s Creation
11:28 The Advantages Of Being Based In San Francisco
17:56 Why Will Crypto Eat Capital Markets In The Next 12 Months
21:22 Key Trends Within Institutions That Keep Hunter Optimistic About Crypto’s Future
24:19 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
25:21 Hunters Response To “I Missed The Bitcoin Opportunity”
30:17 Hunter’s Thoughts On Thinking Exponentially About Crypto’s Growth
35:58 How Are People Underestimating Bitcoins Usage Over The Next 10 Years
38:24 Crypto Is Creating A New Class That Thinks Differently About Money, Explained
46:17 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest
47:01 What’s Relevant For 25-50 Year Old Investors who Aren’t Crypto Savvy
52:02 Why You Should Watch When Shift Happens
57:31 Closing Thoughts
30 April 2026, 2:15 pm - 1 hour 7 minutesByBit Founder: I Survived the Biggest Crypto Hack and Still Had My Best Year | E168
Ben Zhou, co-founder and CEO of Bybit, reveals how he led the company back from the biggest crypto theft in history - filling the $1.5 billion hole in just 8 months while still paying bonuses and dividends.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/
💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.
https://sui.io/
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
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0:00 Introduction
1:39 Please Subscribe
2:04 Why Ben Is Meeting With Prime Ministers
5:52 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
6:32 The Most Fun Part About Building In Crypto
8:16 Why Ben Would Go On A Podcast 3 Days After Losing $1.5B
11:00 How Does ByBit Use AI To Run Their Business
17:47 How Do You Measure A $150 Million F1 Sponsorship Deal
21:47 Why Did ByBit Sponsor The Stockholm Opens
23:07 Why Ben Is So Hands On Consistently With ByBit Decisions
25:33 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
30:20 Ben’s Message To Anyone Dealing With A Big Crisis
36:51 How Big Is ByBit Today In Terms Of Key Numbers
37:38 How Do You Take ByBit To The Next Level Beyond
39:09 What’s The Endgame For ByBit
40:03 What Is Byreal
42:34 Does Ben See A World Where DEXes Takeover CEXes
43:13 What Is ByBit Doing With Ethena
46:05 Ben’s Opinions On Hyperliquid As A Competitor
49:34 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork
50:30 What’s ByBit Doing To Prepare For An AI Driven World
56:57 What Makes Ben Happy
57:21 Does Ben Feel Happier Now That He’s Worth A Lot Of Money
58:30 One Thing Ben Is Holding Onto That He Should Let Go Of
59:04 What Ben Does With His Money Investing Wise
1:02:58 One Thing Ben’s Learned That You Can Takeaway Today
1:04:11 Who Is Ben Zhou
1:06:20 Closing Thoughts
23 April 2026, 2:15 pm - 1 hour 18 minutesE167: Bitwise Advisor: Why Buying a House Is the Worst Investment You Can Make
Jeff Park is a macro strategist and Bitwise advisor who believes the financial system is broken beyond repair for young people - from unaffordable housing to AI displacing an entire generation's jobs.
He breaks down why real estate is actually a depreciating asset, why Bitcoin is the ultimate escape, and how AI will ignite the biggest wave of Bitcoin adoption the world has ever seen.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/
💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.
https://sui.io/
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
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0:00 Introduction
1:33 Please Subscribe
1:59 Jeff & Kevin’s Fitness Discussion
6:15 Who Is Jeff Park?
8:03 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
8:43 How Diversity In America Can Be A Strength & Weakness?
12:28 What We’re Seeing Today From A Broken Financial System
25:28 How Does Someone Combat This Home Buying Investment Crisis?
28:46 Why Bitcoin Solves This K-Shaped Wealth Problem
32:15 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
33:17 The Intelligent Investor Framework Explained
37:20 What Does The Ideological Investor Do?
40:35 How Data Plays A Huge Role In Wealth Creation
47:01 What Tokenization Brings To The Investing Space
48:09 Is Investing Now Off Limits For Average People?
50:06 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork
1:02:04 The Occupy AI Moment That’ll Turn GenZ & Gen Alpha Into Bitcoiners Explained
1:05:36 How Is Bitcoin The Answer When Everything Else Gets Abandoned
1:10:26 Jeff’s Thoughts On “Is It Too Late” For People To Invest In Bitcoin
1:12:36 Should Someone Be More Offensive Using Bitcoin In Their Portfolio
1:15:49 How Jeff Prepares His Kids For This Occupy AI Future
1:17:50 Closing Thoughts
16 April 2026, 2:12 pm - 1 hour 25 minutesE166: Bitget CEO From Divorced Single Mom to Running a $20B/Day Crypto Exchange
Gracy Chen went from a divorced single mom to CEO of Bitget, a top 5 crypto exchange doing $20B in daily volume with 25 million users.
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🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/
💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.
https://sui.io/
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
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The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
0:00 Introduction
1:34 Please Subscribe
2:00 The Only Bad Experience With When Shift Happens
3:47 Gracy’s T-Shirt & Where It Came From
4:37 How Do We Motivate More Women To Join The Crypto Space
6:13 Bitget’s Overall Work Environment Explained
7:06 How Gracy Manages 2,200 Remote Workers
10:09 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
10:50 Who Is Gracy Chen?
13:04 Where Does Gracy’s Fire In The Belly Come From?
15:01 Why Is It Necessary To Go To The Best Schools
22:23 Why Gracy Left Acumulus?
23:45 The Hardest Part About Building A Business
28:52 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
41:36 What Is Bitget, Explained Simply?
43:55 Gracy’s Breakdown Of Bitget’s Numbers
45:09 How Bitget Got Over 40% Of Its Management Team To Be Female
46:48 Where Women Excel In Terms Of Business Management Practice
50:45 Where Do Men Excel In Business Management Practice
52:20 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork
53:17 What Are Gracy’s KPIs As The CEO Of Bitget?
56:45 How Bitget Is Growing The Pie To Continue Expanding
1:03:40 What’s The Endgame For Bitget?
1:05:49 Why Can Anyone Become A CEO?
1:09:28 Running A 2,200 Employee Company While Taking Care Of A Kid, How?
1:11:22 How Has Bitget Evolved Since Gracy Joined In 2022
1:17:12 What The Voice In Gracy’s Head Tells Her In The Morning & Evening
1:20:05 One Thing Gracy’s Learned That You Can Take With You
1:24:31 Closing Thoughts
9 April 2026, 2:16 pm - 1 hour 23 minutesE165: Backpack CEO: How I Survived Crypto's Biggest Collapse, Then Built a $420B Exchange
Armani Ferrante is the Founder and CEO of Backpack, a regulated global crypto exchange with over $420 billion in trading volume and one of the leading builders in the Solana ecosystem.
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PARTNERS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/
💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT
🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.
Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...
🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/
⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/
🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/
💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.
https://sui.io/
♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
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The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
0:00 Introduction
1:32 Please Subscribe
1:56 Michelle Fuko & Her Philosophical View On The Panopticon Metaphor
5:25 Armani’s Answer To This Philosophical View In Regards To Crypto
7:50 Who Is Armani Ferrante?
8:39 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz
9:19 Where Armani’s Chip On The Shoulder Comes From
10:43 Getting Hired Twice At Alameda Research Twice Explained
13:46 Being Able To Work On Early Solana Projects
14:43 Why Instead Of Going To FTX Did Armani Go & Build His Own Exchange?
18:26 Was There Ever Any FOMO From Not Joining FTX?
23:32 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub
24:34 How Armani & Backpack Got Affected By The FTX Collapse
36:25 What’s The TLDR On The MadLad Story
42:03 How Important Was The MadLad Story For Backpack?
43:40 Armani’s Deepest Belief On What Crypto Should Be
51:59 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork
52:55 Explain Backpack To Your Uber Driver
57:36 Most Of Crypto Is Currently A Test Bed
1:04:15 Percentage Of People Think They Own Shares From Huge Companies But Really Don’t
1:06:41 What Unified Margin Accounts Solve & Why You Should Care
1:15:20 Why Armani Left Sunny California For Tokyo Japan
1:17:18 Why These Huge Exchanges Don’t Exist In Japan
1:18:43 How Did Backpack Acquire Licenses At A fraction Of The Cost Compared To FTX
1:21:53 Closing Thoughts
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