This week we were thrilled to be joined by the wonderful Molly Patton - founder, sci-comm lead and producer at Miscible, a Melbourne-based science communication studio that has quickly made a name for itself for the way it turns complex research into visually striking, deeply engaging stories. Molly's path here is a fascinating one: a former biomaterials postgrad, she walked away from academia after watching the same three problems crop up again and again: no time, no funding, and no shared language to explain why the work actually mattered. With a dual background in science and the arts (photography in particular), she's spent the last nine years leading creative teams to help researchers communicate work that is, in her words, "easy to understand and impossible to ignore" - translation work that has supported nearly $200 million in research funding in just the past four years.

Join us for a fabulous conversation about why science and the arts were never meant to be separate, science communication as a profession in its own right, the art of a great grant application, and Molly's lovely reminder to be human first and scientist second.

You can follow Molly and learn more about her work here: 

Molly on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mollypatton

Miscible on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/miscible-co

Molly's Substack: mollykpatton.substack.com

And, since he got a mention, Molly's very photogenic dog Kodak: @kodak_the_bluemerle

Been invited to talk about your research on the radio? Congratulations, and welcome to the world of "wild listeners." In this short episode, Jen and Michael explain why radio is unlike almost any other communication opportunity you'll get: your audience hasn't tuned in specifically for you, and they're very likely driving, cooking, or wrangling a toddler while you talk. Michael shares his practical tips for cutting through - short soundbites, signposting ("this matters for three reasons"), and a bit of repetition to help distracted listeners follow you. Jen, who has been talking about science on the radio for twenty years, makes the case that radio is fundamentally about human connection, not perfection: bring your whole self, be willing to stumble, smile while you speak, and prepare by talking out loud about your work rather than clinging to a script.

You can find more great advice here: 

• Top tips for media work: a guide for scientists, Science Media Centre - a practical checklist for broadcast interviews, including what to ask before you say yes.

• What makes a great radio interview, COMPASS - a radio producer's perspective on what makes a scientist a great guest.

• TV and radio media tips, AAAS -  the nuts and bolts, including just how short a soundbite really needs to be.

This week we were thrilled to chat with the wonderfully interdisciplinary Dr Paul Mason: anthropologist, neuroscientist, medical researcher, and inventor of a dung beetle board game. Paul cheerfully describes his own CV as looking "like a pizza with the lot" (with, somehow, even the pineapple on there). Paul is also a musician, dancer and capoeira practitioner who began his studies wanting to get into brain research, before realising he was far more interested in understanding the brain in context. That curiosity took him from laboratory internships at the Howard Florey Institute (and beyond) into a PhD in anthropology, and out into the world doing fieldwork with arts communities in Indonesia and Brazil, infectious disease patients in Vietnam and Papua New Guinea, and conservation education at Taronga Zoo.

In our wide-ranging conversation, Paul shares why he believes good science communication actually makes for good science, and how creative formats can carry serious ideas to the people who need them most. We talk about his award-winning children's book about tuberculosis (translated into thirty languages and distributed free in four countries) his dung beetle board game Hexcrement, and the surprising social magic of gathering people around a table to play. Paul also offers his best advice for researchers who want real-world impact: put in the work to ask good, well-structured questions, and always make it easy for people to help you - because kindness begets kindness, and communities of shared practice are where change begins.

You can follow Paul and learn more about his work here: 

• https://paul.sobriquet.net/

• Fresh Produce Bioactives: freshproducebioactives.com.au

• Insta: @freshproducebioactives and @sociocerebral

• Hexcrement, via Aelytra Conservation: aelytra.com

• Paul's tuberculosis children's book: https://paul.sobriquet.net/publications/

"I'm happy to talk to different audiences, but I don't want to dumb down my research."

It's a phrase Jen and Michael both quietly dread and in this short episode, they dig into why it rubs them the wrong way. The problem isn't wanting to stay accurate; it's the assumption baked into "dumbing down" that your audience isn't intelligent. Jen and Michael reframe the whole challenge: it's not about simplifying your ideas, it's about simplifying your language while keeping every bit of nuance intact. Along the way they share why getting your audience to care comes first, how "clarifying" beats "simplifying," and why explaining your work simply is one of the best ways to understand it more deeply yourself.

You can find more great advice here: 

• Tim Radford, A Manifesto for the Simple Scribe - the source of the fantastic quote we talk about: "Don't overestimate your reader's knowledge and don't underestimate their intelligence."

• Ed Yong, On jargon, and why it matters in science writing - a lovely case for replacing jargon rather than dumbing down.

• Don't dumb it down: the effects of jargon in COVID-19 crisis communication - research on why audiences engage with complexity.

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/j7ah

Have you ever met an astrometallurgist? Neither had we, until we had the great pleasure of chatting with Dr Matt Shaw on this week's episode!

Matt's career genuinely sounds like it was pulled straight from the pages of a sci-fi novel, but it's very much grounded in real, cutting-edge science. He began as a metallurgist in the mining industry - extracting metals like gold from rocks, or as he describes it, "basically Minecraft, but in real life" - working everywhere from the Australian desert to the Canadian Arctic. Having mastered some of the most extreme environments on Earth, Matt decided to tackle the ultimate hostile environment: space. He completed a PhD in astrometallurgy at Swinburne University, exploring how we might one day extract and process materials on the Moon, and worked with CSIRO's space in-situ resource utilisation (ISRU) team developing technologies to produce water, oxygen and metals beyond Earth.

These days, Matt continues his space research while working predominantly with the Green Steel and Critical Minerals teams at CSIRO Clayton, investigating innovative ways to reduce emissions and tackle one of the biggest challenges facing our planet: how to make green steel.

But what makes Matt especially exciting to talk with isn't just the very cool science. It's his passion for communication and collaboration. Whether he's talking with school students, appearing in the media or engaging with the public, Matt has a real knack for making complex ideas feel both exciting and accessible - and he's got the track record to prove it:

• Winner, Asia-Pacific Three Minute Thesis (3MT) Competition 2021 – watch Matt's winning talk

• Judge, Asia-Pacific 3MT Final 2022

• Runner-up, FameLab Australia 2023 – watch Matt's presentation

• STEMPals Curiosity Communicator Award 2024

You can follow Matt and learn more about his work here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-shaw-001/

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/r7ah

Ever feel like you don't quite belong, or that everyone around you knows what they're doing while you're just hoping no one finds out that you don’t? In this season’s first Listen To This Episode, Jen and Michael talk honestly about the imposter experience at work: why feeling like a bit of a fraud is more normal (and more useful) than you might think, and how to keep showing up anyway.

Sharing how you feel with friends, colleagues, family, or supervisors helps you realise how normal the imposter experience really is, and that it's a sign you're challenging yourself in all the right ways.

You can find more great advice here: 

https://www.nyas.org/ideas-insights/blog/confronting-imposter-syndrome-in-stem/

https://jobs.sciencecareers.org/article/how-to-banish-impostor-syndrome

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02408-z

https://www.une.edu.au/current-students/support/student-support/une-wellness-centre/mental-health-resources/imposter-syndrome

⁠In this TEDx talk, Mike Cannon-Brookes offers a funny and reassuring take on how impostor syndrome can sometimes be used as fuel rather than treated only as a flaw.⁠ https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_cannon_brookes_how_you_can_use_impostor_syndrome_to_your_benefit⁠

⁠This short Science careers piece offers practical advice for researchers who feel like frauds, starting from the useful reminder that “you are not a fraud.” https://www.science.org/content/article/how-banish-impostor-syndrome⁠

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/x7ah

Welcome to a new season of Let’s Talk Scicomm - we’re thrilled to be back with you for Season 19! 

We can’t imagine a better way to launch the season than a chat with the brilliant Kirsty Costa, host and creator of the Weekend Birder Podcast. 

Weekend Birder is one of Australia’s most-loved science and nature podcasts, opening birdwatching up to anyone who’s curious. Kirsty works at the intersection of conservation, storytelling and community engagement, helping people notice birds, understand ecology and feel more connected to the living world around them. Through conversations and bird walks, Kirsty translates everyday encounters with nature into stories and ideas that inspire curiosity and care. She appears regularly in national media as a trusted voice on birds, wildlife and everyday science.

We hope you love listening to this conversation as much as we loved having it. 

You can learn more about Weekend Birder here: 

• https://weekendbirder.com

• https://www.facebook.com/weekend.birder

• https://www.instagram.com/weekend.birder/

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/67ah

Email is essential, but it can also suck the life out of you. In this episode, Jen and Michael share their best advice for taming the inbox: write clear subject lines, put your call to action up front, and keep emails short so you reduce the cognitive load on the person reading.

They also discuss a brilliant piece of counterintuitive advice from Dr Jonathan O'Donnell: take longer to reply. Slowing down your responses to non-urgent emails breaks the cycle of constant back-and-forth, and gives everyone a bit of time back in their day.

You can find more great advice here:

• https://hbr.org/2022/08/5-tips-for-writing-professional-emails
• https://www.sunsama.com/blog/how-to-manage-email-overload

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/us72

This week we were lucky enough to have an absolutely fascinating conversation with Dr Hannah Little. Hannah has been researching science communication for nearly 10 years, first as a Senior Lecturer in Science Communication at UWE Bristol and now in the Department of Communication and Media at the University of Liverpool. Previously, she did her PhD in the field of evolutionary linguistics at the Artificial Intelligence Lab at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium, and went on to a postdoc at the Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics in the Netherlands. Throughout her career, she has endeavoured to share her love for evolutionary linguistics as a science communicator herself with well-received appearances at, among others, the British Science Festival, TEDx and on BBC Radio 4. Her work as a science communicator influences her research, especially in terms of exploring how storytelling, comedy and science fiction can influence public perceptions and understanding of science. In her spare time does competitive speed puzzling, stand-up comedy, and is writing a popular science book about linguistics and aliens. She is a member of the UK SETI Research Network and the SETI Post Detection Hub hosted at the University of St Andrews. As you might be able to gather, Hannah is an amazing person to chat about scicomm (and communicating with aliens) with!

You can follow Hannah and find out more about her work here:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-little-3709371a2

https://bsky.app/profile/hanachronism.bsky.social

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoeXkCM2wSs

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/humanities-and-social-sciences/research/blog/2024-posts/researcher-in-focus-hannah-little/

We mentioned this paper on cognitive biases in our conversation: http://doi.org/10.1177/09636625251387445

And here’s the storytelling toolkit for practitioners: https://livrepository.liverpool.ac.uk/3194747/1/Little_Storytelling%20Toolkit%202025_33MB.pdf

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/5s72

Disagreements are part of life, and science communication. Whether you’re talking about vaccines, climate change, or just what counts as the best breakfast, navigating differing views can be tricky.

In this episode, Jen and Michael explore how to approach disagreement in a way that’s respectful, productive, and human. Rather than trying to “win” or change someone’s mind outright, they suggest focusing on creating space for alternative perspectives, and recognising when agreement may not be possible.

They discuss practical strategies like actively listening, acknowledging the other person’s viewpoint, and asking permission before offering your own. Just as importantly, they reflect on when a disagreement goes beyond ideas and into values or identity and how that shifts what a “good outcome” looks like.

You can find more great advice here:

• https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_stay_open_and_curious_in_hard_conversations

• https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200930-how-to-politely-and-productively-disagree

• https://theconversation.com/agreeing-to-disagree-is-hurting-your-relationships-heres-what-to-do-instead-252687

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/ds72

This week we had the pleasure of chatting with Professor Deb Bower. Deb is a Professor of Zoology in the School of Environmental and Rural Science at the University of New England, Australia. Her research focuses on the ecology, behaviour, and conservation of freshwater turtles. She investigates how altered river flows, invasive predators, and habitat modification influence turtle populations and population dynamics. Her work combines spatial ecology, population ecology, and reproductive biology to inform conservation management. Deb collaborates closely with government agencies, conservation organisations, and communities to translate ecological research into practical strategies that support the long-term conservation of Australia’s threatened freshwater turtles. She has authored several children’s stories and she loves rhyming words. 

You can follow Deb and find out more about her work here: 

Instagram handle: @lazer_une

Media:

Turning the tide for turtles - ABC listen

Tracking the health of turtles in the Murray Darling | 7.30

Environmental experts, detection dogs team up to protect native freshwater turtles - ABC News

Transcript: https://go.unimelb.edu.au/ts72