S3 Finding Heidi Update

Ryan is currently still working on the final two episodes of Finding Heidi Endgame. There are a couple important loose ends that need to be tied up to conclude the season. So this week we're re-introducing The Veil with the Subscriber only special episode - Where is Sara Neithe?

On Sunday 30 March 2003, Sara Niethe drove out of Kerepehi in her mother's light green Honda Civic, stopped at a dairy in Ngatea where a security camera recorded her, and carried on to a house at Kaihere. She was never seen again. Her daughter turned ten the next day, with a table booked at a café. Ten years later Mark Pakenham pleaded guilty to her manslaughter — he had injected her with methamphetamine, a drug she had never used, and watched her die. He was paroled in 2016. Sara has never been found. Neither has the car.

IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING

The car is the most useful thing anyone can help with: a light green 1987 Honda Civic hatchback, registration NH4050, which vanished from the Kaihere / Ngatea / Thames area around 30–31 March 2003 and has never surfaced at a wrecker, been re-registered, or turned up in a drain or a paddock. Investigators believe that wherever the car is, Sara is with it.

Anything else helps too — ground turned over on a farm that autumn, a paddock people were told to keep out of. You do not have to have done anything wrong to know about it.

Bruce Currie, private investigator and former Waikato CIB senior detective, who has worked this case pro bono with Sara's family — 027 844 1349, [email protected]. In confidence.

NZ Police non-emergency: 105.

Crime Stoppers: 0800 555 111 — anonymous.

A NOTE ON SOURCING

Mark Pakenham pleaded guilty to manslaughter in February 2013 and was sentenced in the High Court at Hamilton on 16 August 2013 to six years seven months. He was also convicted of two counts of injuring with intent to injure, relating to two women in Auckland between 1990 and 1992; those appear only because the sentencing judge relied on them in open court. He was paroled on 22 June 2016. This episode does not report on his life since. He later denied the account he pleaded guilty to; the Parole Board said this suggested "a person who is dishonest".

No other person has ever been charged over Sara's death. The episode refers to one man, unnamed, recorded as having been in contact with Pakenham that day, who died in 2018. He was never charged, no court has made any finding about him, and no allegation is made against him.

There was no trial, so no tested evidence and no judgment of fact — only an agreed summary and a sentencing. There is no forensic record: no remains, no post-mortem, no toxicology, no scene examination, no vehicle. Sara's age is reported variously as 30, 31 and 32; we used 31. The view that Pakenham had help disposing of Sara and the car is Bruce Currie's, and is not a finding of any court; police say there is no evidence of it. In October 2024, after an 18-month review, police found no reason to reopen the file.

SOURCES

New Zealand Parole Board, Mark Edward Pakenham, 9 June 2016 — paroleboard.govt.nz

RNZ, "Police appeal for killer to reveal where body is" (2013); "Body still missing as killer released" (2016) — rnz.co.nz

Otago Daily Times (2011, 2013 court reporting) — odt.co.nz

The Valley Profile, Hauraki — the local reporting that carried the 2022–23 searches — valleyprofile.co.nz

Anna Leask, NZME (NZ Herald / Newstalk ZB), 2023–24 case reporting

Mr Tracer (Bruce Currie) case files — mrtracer.co.nz

Waikato Times (2008); NZ Woman's Weekly family interview (2011)

SUPPORT

This episode deals with the killing of a woman, methamphetamine and long-term grief.

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Throughout this podcast, to protect the safety of witnesses and the integrity of the case names, voices and even genders are changed without notice.

In April of 1989 two Swedish tourists, Heidi Paakkonen and Sven Urban Hoglin disappeared without a trace only days before they were due to leave New Zealand.

Despite no bodies being found, David Wayne Tamihere was convicted of their murders. In October of 1991 Urban’s body was discovered 70km away from where the New Zealand Police said it should be, when it was discovered up a forest road in Parakiwai, near Whangamata.

Yet despite this contradictory new evidence and the eventual discovery that a key witness had committed perjury, David Tamihere was not successful in his appeals and served 21 years before being paroled in 2010.

To this day Tamihere has always maintained his innocence, that he never met the Swedish couple, and he certainly never murdered them.

It was almost three years ago, in December of 2023 that I released the final official episode of Season three of GUILT - Finding Heidi. This episode was the last in what had been an eight month investigation by myself to try and get to the truth, and more importantly to try and find Heidi.

Since the release of that episode my work has not stopped, in fact it has amplified, as I’ve worked with the New Zealand Police to ensure that fresh evidence I’ve uncovered has been actioned appropriately with one final goal in mind, to find Heidi.

Over this series of episodes which I’m calling Finding Heidi - Part Two Endgame, you’re going to hear the story of this year’s work, and how it led to a recent event, which I believe is the most important development in this case in 30 years..

Everything you’re going to hear is new, and has never been heard before.

And by the end, this case will never be the same again.

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Please note Endgame Episodes 1 & 2 were not able to be re-released due to the Supreme Court Take Down Order.

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Throughout this podcast, to protect the safety of witnesses and the integrity of the case names, voices and even genders are changed without notice.

In April of 1989 two Swedish tourists, Heidi Paakkonen and Sven Urban Hoglin disappeared without a trace only days before they were due to leave New Zealand.

Despite no bodies being found, David Wayne Tamihere was convicted of their murders. In October of 1991 Urban’s body was discovered 70km away from where the New Zealand Police said it should be, when it was discovered up a forest road in Parakiwai, near Whangamata.

Yet despite this contradictory new evidence and the eventual discovery that a key witness had committed perjury, David Tamihere was not successful in his appeals and served 21 years before being paroled in 2010.

To this day Tamihere has always maintained his innocence, that he never met the Swedish couple, and he certainly never murdered them.

It was almost three years ago, in December of 2023 that I released the final official episode of Season three of GUILT - Finding Heidi. This episode was the last in what had been an eight month investigation by myself to try and get to the truth, and more importantly to try and find Heidi.

Since the release of that episode my work has not stopped, in fact it has amplified, as I’ve worked with the New Zealand Police to ensure that fresh evidence I’ve uncovered has been actioned appropriately with one final goal in mind, to find Heidi.

Over this series of episodes which I’m calling Finding Heidi - Part Two Endgame, you’re going to hear the story of this year’s work, and how it led to a recent event, which I believe is the most important development in this case in 30 years..

Everything you’re going to hear is new, and has never been heard before.

And by the end, this case will never be the same again.

Guilt is a 100% Independent Podcast. Support the Podcast by becoming a Brevity+ subscriber. For a small monthly or annual fee you can both support the show and get a ton of amazing features, including Early Episode Release, Bonus Episodes, Ad Free Listening and exclusive access to the Guilt Podcast 'War Room' on www.theguiltpodcast.com where you'll find timelines, maps, case files, exclusive episode video content and more!

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On August 12th at the Frankston RSL in Melbourne, Ryan will be presenting his first ever Live Show. The subject of this show will be Season Four of Guilt - The Night of the Bonfire. What happened to Alana Cecil. Guests can expect a two hour show with unheard details of the investigation and suspects and an extended Q&A session.

Tickets are on sale now for only $25.

For more information and tickets to Ryan's live show at the Frankston RSL on August 12th 2026, please visit this link: https://www.trybooking.com/events/landing/1587991

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Stuff News Story regarding Mataora Bay Search:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360714287/police-searched-land-linked-david-tamihere-after-skeleton-tip-was-it-missing-swede?utm_source=gist-answers&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=www.stuff.co.nz

Please note Endgame Episodes 1 & 2 were not able to be re-released due to the Supreme Court Take Down Order.

For all details on how to subscribe using Apple or Spotify and support the podcast plus get early release, ad free listening and bonus episodes please visit https://www.theguiltpodcast.com/how-to-subscribe

Throughout this podcast, to protect the safety of witnesses and the integrity of the case names, voices and even genders are changed without notice.

In April of 1989 two Swedish tourists, Heidi Paakkonen and Sven Urban Hoglin disappeared without a trace only days before they were due to leave New Zealand.

Despite no bodies being found, David Wayne Tamihere was convicted of their murders. In October of 1991 Urban’s body was discovered 70km away from where the New Zealand Police said it should be, when it was discovered up a forest road in Parakiwai, near Whangamata.

Yet despite this contradictory new evidence and the eventual discovery that a key witness had committed perjury, David Tamihere was not successful in his appeals and served 21 years before being paroled in 2010.

To this day Tamihere has always maintained his innocence, that he never met the Swedish couple, and he certainly never murdered them.

It was almost three years ago, in December of 2023 that I released the final official episode of Season three of GUILT - Finding Heidi. This episode was the last in what had been an eight month investigation by myself to try and get to the truth, and more importantly to try and find Heidi.

Since the release of that episode my work has not stopped, in fact it has amplified, as I’ve worked with the New Zealand Police to ensure that fresh evidence I’ve uncovered has been actioned appropriately with one final goal in mind, to find Heidi.

Over this series of episodes which I’m calling Finding Heidi - Part Two Endgame, you’re going to hear the story of this year’s work, and how it led to a recent event, which I believe is the most important development in this case in 30 years..

Everything you’re going to hear is new, and has never been heard before.

And by the end, this case will never be the same again.

Guilt is a 100% Independent Podcast. Support the Podcast by becoming a Brevity+ subscriber. For a small monthly or annual fee you can both support the show and get a ton of amazing features, including Early Episode Release, Bonus Episodes, Ad Free Listening and exclusive access to the Guilt Podcast 'War Room' on www.theguiltpodcast.com where you'll find timelines, maps, case files, exclusive episode video content and more!

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On the night of 9th November 1996, Alana Cecil, who had only recently turned 16, was excited to attend the Djerriwarrh Bonfire Festival in the small city of Melton, just out of Melbourne in Victoria, Australia.

When she left home that night it would be the last time her family would ever see her alive. Sometime in the early hours of November 10th 1996, someone or some people took a syringe and injected Alana Cecil twice, once in each arm, with a lethal dose of Heroin. They then dumped her body in the back driveway of a vacant home.

Eight years later a DNA breakthrough identified the semen of two men on and in Alana's body. One being a 49 year old man known to Police, who when questioned by Police simply answered 'No Comment'. Neither these men, nor anyone else has ever been held accountable or responsible for Alana's death. And neither man has been able to offer a valid reason their DNA was present.

For 28 years Alana's family have fought for answers, and justice for Alana. Now through this podcast we're hoping that with your help those responsible for her death will finally get what they deserve. In Season Four of GUILT - The Night of the Bonfire, Ryan heads Down Under, to Melbourne Australia to search for the truth. What happened to Alana Cecil?

Subscribers will get early access, bonus episodes and ad free listening. You can subscribe for the price of a coffee every month and support this and all our investigations via Apple through your app, or on Spotify by searching 'GUILT | Premium Subscription' or visit www.theguiltpodcast.com for detailed instructions on how to subscribe.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION RELATING TO THE DEATH OF ALANA CECIL PLEASE CONTACT US AT [email protected] OR VIA THE CONTACT FORM ON OUR WEBSITE WWW.THEGUILTPODCAST.COM

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On the night of 9th November 1996, Alana Cecil, who had only recently turned 16, was excited to attend the Djerriwarrh Bonfire Festival in the small city of Melton, just out of Melbourne in Victoria, Australia.

When she left home that night it would be the last time her family would ever see her alive. Sometime in the early hours of November 10th 1996, someone or some people took a syringe and injected Alana Cecil twice, once in each arm, with a lethal dose of Heroin. They then dumped her body in the back driveway of a vacant home.

Eight years later a DNA breakthrough identified the semen of two men on and in Alana's body. One being a 49 year old man known to Police, who when questioned by Police simply answered 'No Comment'. Neither these men, nor anyone else has ever been held accountable or responsible for Alana's death. And neither man has been able to offer a valid reason their DNA was present.

For 28 years Alana's family have fought for answers, and justice for Alana. Now through this podcast we're hoping that with your help those responsible for her death will finally get what they deserve. In Season Four of GUILT - The Night of the Bonfire, Ryan heads Down Under, to Melbourne Australia to search for the truth. What happened to Alana Cecil?

Subscribers will get early access, bonus episodes and ad free listening. You can subscribe for the price of a coffee every month and support this and all our investigations via Apple through your app, or on Spotify by searching 'GUILT | Premium Subscription' or visit www.theguiltpodcast.com for detailed instructions on how to subscribe.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION RELATING TO THE DEATH OF ALANA CECIL PLEASE CONTACT US AT [email protected] OR VIA THE CONTACT FORM ON OUR WEBSITE WWW.THEGUILTPODCAST.COM

Guilt is a 100% Independent Podcast. Support the Podcast by becoming a Brevity+ subscriber. For a small monthly or annual fee you can both support the show and get a ton of amazing features, including Early Episode Release, Bonus Episodes, Ad Free Listening and exclusive access to the Guilt Podcast 'War Room' on www.theguiltpodcast.com where you'll find timelines, maps, case files, exclusive episode video content and more!

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Ryan is away overseas for a much needed two week break after a long twelve months. Episode Six of Finding Heidi Endgame will be released on his return the week of July 13th. In the meantime we are re-releasing the first two episodes of Season Four, as there are currently new developments in this case.

Apologies for any inconvenience.

The Guilt Team

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In this final wrap up for Season Six Ryan and Jacob cover over this season of Guilt and discuss in detail the final episode, Ryan's interview with Gus and their final thoughts on the Season.

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Please note Endgame Episodes 1 & 2 were not able to be re-released due to the Supreme Court Take Down Order.

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Throughout this podcast, to protect the safety of witnesses and the integrity of the case names, voices and even genders are changed without notice.

In April of 1989 two Swedish tourists, Heidi Paakkonen and Sven Urban Hoglin disappeared without a trace only days before they were due to leave New Zealand.

Despite no bodies being found, David Wayne Tamihere was convicted of their murders. In October of 1991 Urban’s body was discovered 70km away from where the New Zealand Police said it should be, when it was discovered up a forest road in Parakiwai, near Whangamata.

Yet despite this contradictory new evidence and the eventual discovery that a key witness had committed perjury, David Tamihere was not successful in his appeals and served 21 years before being paroled in 2010.

To this day Tamihere has always maintained his innocence, that he never met the Swedish couple, and he certainly never murdered them.

It was almost three years ago, in December of 2023 that I released the final official episode of Season three of GUILT - Finding Heidi. This episode was the last in what had been an eight month investigation by myself to try and get to the truth, and more importantly to try and find Heidi.

Since the release of that episode my work has not stopped, in fact it has amplified, as I’ve worked with the New Zealand Police to ensure that fresh evidence I’ve uncovered has been actioned appropriately with one final goal in mind, to find Heidi.

Over this series of episodes which I’m calling Finding Heidi - Part Two Endgame, you’re going to hear the story of this year’s work, and how it led to a recent event, which I believe is the most important development in this case in 30 years..

Everything you’re going to hear is new, and has never been heard before.

And by the end, this case will never be the same again.

Guilt is a 100% Independent Podcast. Support the Podcast by becoming a Brevity+ subscriber. For a small monthly or annual fee you can both support the show and get a ton of amazing features, including Early Episode Release, Bonus Episodes, Ad Free Listening and exclusive access to the Guilt Podcast 'War Room' on www.theguiltpodcast.com where you'll find timelines, maps, case files, exclusive episode video content and more!

Subscribe today on Apple or Spotify (Supporting Cast). For details on how to subscribe please visit our website www.theguiltpodcast.com/how-to-subscribe

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In this final episode of the Debrief Series focusing on recovering Season Three, Ryan and Jacob discuss episodes 19-20 and where this leaves us. Ryan also shares some stories from behind the lines, never heard before.

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Please note Endgame Episodes 1 & 2 were not able to be re-released due to the Supreme Court Take Down Order.

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Throughout this podcast, to protect the safety of witnesses and the integrity of the case names, voices and even genders are changed without notice.

In April of 1989 two Swedish tourists, Heidi Paakkonen and Sven Urban Hoglin disappeared without a trace only days before they were due to leave New Zealand.

Despite no bodies being found, David Wayne Tamihere was convicted of their murders. In October of 1991 Urban’s body was discovered 70km away from where the New Zealand Police said it should be, when it was discovered up a forest road in Parakiwai, near Whangamata.

Yet despite this contradictory new evidence and the eventual discovery that a key witness had committed perjury, David Tamihere was not successful in his appeals and served 21 years before being paroled in 2010.

To this day Tamihere has always maintained his innocence, that he never met the Swedish couple, and he certainly never murdered them.

It was almost three years ago, in December of 2023 that I released the final official episode of Season three of GUILT - Finding Heidi. This episode was the last in what had been an eight month investigation by myself to try and get to the truth, and more importantly to try and find Heidi.

Since the release of that episode my work has not stopped, in fact it has amplified, as I’ve worked with the New Zealand Police to ensure that fresh evidence I’ve uncovered has been actioned appropriately with one final goal in mind, to find Heidi.

Over this series of episodes which I’m calling Finding Heidi - Part Two Endgame, you’re going to hear the story of this year’s work, and how it led to a recent event, which I believe is the most important development in this case in 30 years..

Everything you’re going to hear is new, and has never been heard before.

And by the end, this case will never be the same again.

Guilt is a 100% Independent Podcast. Support the Podcast by becoming a Brevity+ subscriber. For a small monthly or annual fee you can both support the show and get a ton of amazing features, including Early Episode Release, Bonus Episodes, Ad Free Listening and exclusive access to the Guilt Podcast 'War Room' on www.theguiltpodcast.com where you'll find timelines, maps, case files, exclusive episode video content and more!

Subscribe today on Apple or Spotify (Supporting Cast). For details on how to subscribe please visit our website www.theguiltpodcast.com/how-to-subscribe

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