The Money with Katie Show

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  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    She Retired at 32. Then Came Guilt—and a Moral Crossroads.

    Rebecca Herbst reached financial independence at age 32 during the tenuous early days of the pandemic, and volunteered shortly thereafter to be furloughed from her job in commercial real estate—and so began her (extremely) early retirement. 

    But spending her days exactly as she wanted featured an unexpected side effect: guilt. What do you owe to others when you’ve gotten everything you wanted? Rebecca alchemized her sense of duty and founded Yield & Spread. In detail, we cover:

    • What the “FI-lanthropy” pledge entails
    • How she squares the desire to retire early with the idea of “hoarding money”
    • Where Rebecca gives for the highest impact
    • Who donor-advised funds might make sense for, and how they work
    • How to donate appreciated stock, and why it might be  preferable to giving cash


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    10 December 2025, 8:00 am
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    How to End Low Wage Work—Forever

    How do you solve a problem like the disconnect between “wages employers are willing to pay” and “wages employees need to survive”? If you’re my guest this week, the answer is: a wage subsidy. 

    Today on the show, I speak with Ben Glasner, an economist with a PhD in public policy and management in search of answers for how to build a fairer economy, about the benefit proposal that he says has two very critical things most proposals of this nature lack: efficient targeting and bipartisan support. We discuss:

    • The significance of the fact that 21 million Americans earn less than $16 per hour, and two-thirds of those workers are women
    • Why other attempts at incentivizing job creation are expensive ($100,000–$200,000 per job) and poorly targeted
    • The target wage and proposed funding structure that Ben and his coauthor believe will minimize or eliminate fraud and make small business hiring more competitive


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    3 December 2025, 8:00 am
  • 1 hour 21 minutes
    Freedom, Capitalism, and America's Missing Revolution

    Since I spent last week’s episode detailing the thrilling ins and outs of making your own 2026 financial plan for wealth-maxxing, today I’m taking a hard left turn and interviewing Andrew Hartman, a history professor and the author of Karl Marx in America, a 500-page tome about which he says, and here I quote directly, “My father-in-law told me that he likes the book even though he still doesn’t like Marx.” We talked about:

    • The limitations of theories from the founding Enlightenment thinkbois like Adam Smith, John Locke, and Thomas Paine, which mostly pre-dated industrial capitalism
    • The "gospel of success" as an anesthetic for an uproarious working class who did not go gently from their farms into factories
    • A surprising role for corporations, which have—ironically—done more to "socialize production" than any other modern entity
    • The trap of thinking about class as an "identity," rather than a relationship
    • How wealth inequality creates speculative markets and bubbles

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    26 November 2025, 8:00 am
  • 30 minutes 52 seconds
    Financially Plan for 2026 with Katie: Self-Employment Tea & Contingency Planning

    At this point, the annual “Plan with Me”-style episode feels like a sacred ritual. In today's show:

    • Thinking through major tax changes, including why I finally ponied up for a CPA and what they’ll be doing
    • Estimating and planning with irregular income
    • Identifying new retirement contribution targets
    • Revisiting the slush fund concept for covering lean cash flow months
    • Penciling out a realistic spending plan

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    19 November 2025, 8:00 am
  • 1 hour 15 minutes
    The Leisure Gap, Princess Treatment, and Other Hard Truths About "Soft Life"

    There is perhaps nobody in the financial education space who knows her way around the National Bureau of Economic Research quite like Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez. If Chapter 2 of Rich Girl Nation were sentient, it would probably sound a lot like Stefanie. Today on the show, I’m picking her brain about the current state of what she calls “the ambition penalty.”

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    5 November 2025, 5:00 am
  • 1 hour 19 minutes
    A Big Announcement, the Realities of Burnout & Semi-Retirement, and Buying Gold

    In today’s episode of Rich Girl Roundup:

    • 👀 A little more about the changes coming at the end of the year
    • 🏖️ Whether mini retirements or “semi-retirements” are unrealistic (and talking through a few remaining tactical questions)
    • 🔥 Some burnout-reduction tips we’ve been experimenting with
    • 📍 Thoughts on shifting asset allocation away from US dominance without jeopardizing 4% rule “eligibility”
    • 🥇 What to make of the increasingly popular advice to buy gold

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    29 October 2025, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    On Influencers, Beauty Culture & "Corporate Confidence," with Kate Kennedy

    I previously joined Kate Kennedy on her show, Be There in Five, to discuss Rich Girl Nation, and we ended up talking about everything from beauty culture to women as breadwinners—enjoy.

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    Transcripts, show notes, resources, and credits will be available within a week at: ⁠https://moneywithkatie.com/beauty-culture.

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    22 October 2025, 7:00 am
  • 1 hour 20 minutes
    How You Can Enjoy a Mini-Retirement Every 2 Years, Without Risking Your Career

    Do you frequently find yourself feeling overwhelmed and spread thin? Like you can't catch up with life, no matter what you do? If so, a mini-retirement —or 20 mini-retirements over the span of your career—might help.

    • (02:20): Introducing Jillian Johnsrud and the idea of mini retirements
    • (04:00): How to actually structure a mini retirement
    • (08:55): Why you should practice retirement before you reach FI
    • (12:30): What do you want out of your mini retirement?
    • (20:20): Three tools to help visualize a mini retirement
    • (28:58): How to build your narrative story
    • (36:25): Figuring out your career alongside mini retirements
    • (42:00): How to approach mini retirement as a high-performing professional
    • (58:20): The finances behind making mini retirements possible
    • (01:06:11): How to afford US healthcare
    • (01:14:34): Trends when trying mini retirement for the first time

    Transcripts, show notes, resources, and credits will be available within a week at: https://moneywithkatie.com/mini-retirements.

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    15 October 2025, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 34 minutes
    A Practical Way to Fight for a Brighter Financial Future—Together

    I sat down with assistant professor of labor studies and author of We Are the Union, Eric Blanc, to discuss: the euphoria and struggle of movement-building as a response to hopelessness, how mid-century suburban development undermined labor power, and why understanding (and wielding) economic leverage is critical.

    • (05:22): The pushback against unions and why unions are essentially about democracy
    • (08:55): How worker-to-worker organizing might be the best path forward against oligarchy
    • (18:45): The story of Morrisha Jones and the importance of leverage
    • (22:15): Why full employment in the economy should be a progressive priority
    • (27:55): The obstacles that appear after a union's been formed, but before a contract's been reached
    • (36:24): How "vibes" and culture play a role in building a movement
    • (43:00): How unions can flourish beyond a manufacturing economy, and how the country's structure has changed since the 1930s
    • (47:20): The impact of suburbanization on labor power
    • (01:01:33): The connection between social justice movements and broader organizing
    • (01:19:32): How Europe's move to the right, despite its union density, speaks to the future of the US
    • (01:28:04): Tactical next steps and resources

    Transcripts, show notes, resources, and credits will be available within a week at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://moneywithkatie.com/workplace-unions.

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    8 October 2025, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 52 minutes
    On Overvalued Stocks, Tithing & Mutual Aid, and Creating Enforceable Prenups

    We covered more ground than usual in this Rich Girl Roundup, because a few themes dominated your feedback and questions. On today’s show, in addition to recapping feedback to our last three episodes:

    • (00:00): Intro
    • (01:12): Plastic surgeons encouraging young women to set aside money in “face-lift funds” alongside 401(k)s and IRAs
    • (14:00): Feedback to our episode, "A CFP on Outdated Advice, 'Jumping' Social Classes, & Why Money Mindset Matters"
    • (24:38): Feedback to our episode, "Personal Finance is Broken—Can These Economists Fix It?"
    • (44:40): Feedback to our episode, "Why the 'Double Tax' is the Canary in the Economic Coal Mine We Need to Pay Attention to"
    • (58:20): Other listener-submitted questions

    Our show is a production of Morning Brew and is produced by Henah Velez and Katie Gatti Tassin, with our audio engineering and sound design from Nick Torres. Devin Emery is President of Morning Brew content and additional fact checking comes from Scott Wilson.

    Transcripts, show notes, resources, and credits will be available within a week at: ⁠⁠⁠https://moneywithkatie.com/overvalued-stocks.

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    24 September 2025, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 27 minutes
    Why the "Double Tax" is the Canary in the Economic Coal Mine We Need to Pay Attention to

    Today, I’m talking with Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman, a writer and researcher as well as the youngest-ever recipient of the Women’s Human Rights Award by the UN Convention. Her new book, ⁠The Double Tax⁠, is out now. We covered:

    • (00:00): Intro
    • (07:45): Black women as the group whose economic progress (or stagnation) signals what’s coming for everyone else
    • (24:20): Beauty spending as an investment in respectability and social capital
    • (50:35): The study that explored hiring discrimination and what came out of it
    • (01:00:00): Why reputational damage is one of the only consistent levers of power that "the masses" can wield to force change
    • (01:04:00): The rational economic case for solidarity as the only way forward during crises

    Our show is a production of Morning Brew and is produced by Henah Velez and Katie Gatti Tassin, with our audio engineering and sound design from Nick Torres. Devin Emery is President of Morning Brew content and additional fact checking comes from Scott Wilson.

    Transcripts, show notes, resources, and credits will be available within a week at: https://moneywithkatie.com/the-double-tax.

    Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs.

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    17 September 2025, 4:00 am
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