In part one of this two-part series on Body Bags hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack take listeners through the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln and its aftermath. They describe the chaos at Ford's Theater, the attending physicians' struggles as they assessed Lincoln's condition with limited medical knowledge and tools, the removal of Lincoln's body, and the irony of increased security after the assassination. They also delve into the autopsy process, highlighting the physicians' extensive experience and the challenges they faced.

Time-codes:

00:20 - Start of show.

01:35 - John Wilkes Booth's actions in the theater.

02:00 - Immediate response to the shooting.

02:35 - Lincoln's condition when the surgeon arrived.

03:15 - Initial confusion among the audience.

04:00 - Booth's calculated timing for the shooting.

05:30 - Surgeon realizes Lincoln's gunshot wound location.

05:55 - Limitations of medical knowledge and tools.

07:40 - Lincoln stops breathing and has dilated pupils.

08:10 - Surgeon removes clot, Lincoln breathes again.

09:20 - Difficulty transporting Lincoln to the White House.

09:55 - Physicians try to locate the lead ball in Lincoln's head.

11:30 - Attempt to drain blood and reduce intracranial pressure.

12:00 - Lincoln's death at 7:30 a.m.

13:50 - Lincoln remains unconscious throughout the ordeal.

16:40 - Removal of Lincoln's body from the boarding house.

17:15 - Absence of security and irony of increased security.

18:00 - Lincoln's tendency to dismiss security.

18:40 - Lincoln's body conveyed to White House for autopsy.

19:55 - Handsaw used to open Lincoln's skull.

21:10 - Delicate nature of dissecting the brain.

22:15 - Autopsy challenges: lack of electricity, reliance on touch.

23:00 - Physicians' extensive experience in dealing with trauma.

29:40 - Modern gunshot wound examination process.

30:30 - Role of x-rays in understanding bullet trajectories.

31:15 - Autopsy confirms nothing could have saved Lincoln.

32:55 - Limitations of 1800s medical treatments.

33:30 - John Wilkes Booth's autopsy.

34:50 - Physician's anger and resentment towards Booth.

35:30 - Booth's body relocation before returning to family.

36:05 - Outro.

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Mary Kay Heese was 17-years-old when she was murdered and dumped in a ditch in March of 1969. Mary Kay Heese did not go down without a fight, she fought back, but died from multiple stab wounds. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack talk about how the case went cold but the family kept working the case. Year after year. Joseph Scott Morgan will explain what it took to solve a case that was cold for more than half a century, and how 55-years after her lifeless body was found in a ditch, an arrest is made in the murder of Mary Kay Heese.

Transcript Highlights

00:00.35 Introduction - 55 year cold case

04:07.70 The Family keeps looking for answers

10:02.66 Parents have passed, but cousin fought for justice

15:01.01 Finding a hair and fiber evidence
 
20:07.30 Body found near home

25:05.68 Perp dumped body in ditch

30:03.39 Mary Kay Heese fought back

35:29.16 Two suspects, one commits suicide in 1977

40:06.78 A Suspect is found

44:08.09 Arrest is made, more to come

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Luigi Mangione allegedly shot and killed CEO of United Healthcare Brian Thompson on December 4, 2024. The suspect in the shooting is a 26-year-old person of means; smart, educated, and now, possibly a killer. Joseph Scott Morgan breaks down the type of weapon used and how it would function, the ammunition used, as well as the damage it could do to the intended target. Dave Mack tries to fill  in the background of the story as it continues to evolve. This is Part One of Two.

Transcript Highlights

00:00:00.71 Introduction

00:00:57.91 Growing up spoiled

00:05:28.58 Luigi Mangione manifesto

00:08:55.84 Mangione creating characters on computer

00:12:26.42 Chronic pain in lower back 

00:17:38.37 Description of using 3D printed gun

00:24:56.27 Scheduling an event, waiting for victim

00:28:37.77 Suspect and weapons

00:33:23.74 Description of "site picture"

00:38:29.89 Shot and effect on body
 
00:39:01.33 Conclusion of part one

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Shamra Felkel is last seen in Hartselle, South Carolina, on September 25. On October 7, friends and family report her missing.  Shamra Felkel's daughters, Karli Felkel and Kasey Wolfe begin searching right away but say local law enforcement isn't taking the case seriously. 11 weeks after she vanishes into thin air, Kasey Wolfe gets an anonymous tip that leads her to ask a close family friend to search the Ruby Road area near her mother's property. The friend discovers human remains and calls authorities. Deputies respond and rope off the area. Joseph Scott Morgan explains what condition the remains will be in after being buried near a dry well for over two months and what will be learned at autopsy.  

Transcript Highlights
00:00:13.06 Introduction
00:04:55.00 We are creatures of habit
00:10:14.37 Graveyard or Cemetery
00:14:40.13 Building a well
00:19:18.58 Who found the body of Shamra Felkel
00:25:00.66 After remains are found....what happens next
00:30:13.69 Investigators haven't announced type of strangulation
00:35:21.26 Charges of murder, kidnapping, obstruction of justice
00:39:05.01 Conclusion

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A Shot in the Dark: Investigating Lincoln's Assassination and the Chilling Conspiracy | Part 1
In part one of this two-part series on Body Bags we delve into the assassination and autopsy of President Abraham Lincoln. 
Hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack analyze the character and motivations of John Wilkes Booth, the layout of Ford's Theater, and the negligent behavior of John Parker, assigned to protect the president. They provide a fascinating explanation of the Philadelphia Deringer's firing mechanism, including its unique preloading process and firing sequence as well as going into Booth's meticulous planning, highlighting his knowledge of the play's comedic timing, Lincoln's potential focus on the orchestra pit, and the painstaking preparation involved in using the Deringer. Throughout this captivating episode, listeners uncover the chilling details and lasting impact of one of the most infamous moments in American history.

Time-codes:
00:25 - JoScott’s surprise at visiting presidential assassination locations.
01:30 - Description of Ford's Theater and the assassination scene.
02:20 - Introduction of Lincoln's assassination and autopsy topic.
06:10 - Discussion of access to the president during Lincoln's time.
07:10 - How did Booth gain access to Lincoln's box at Ford's Theater?
08:45 - Lincoln's well-publicized attendance at the theater.
10:35 - Comparison of past and present presidential security measures.
11:10 - John Parker, the inept officer assigned to protect Lincoln.
13:40 - Background on John Wilkes Booth and his Southern cause support.
16:00 - Long-lasting impact of Lincoln's assassination on the country.
18:15 - Specifics of the weapon used by John Wilkes Booth.
21:35 - Importance of caliber and limitations of Booth's weapon.
23:40 - Preloading the Philadelphia Deringer and its hammer mechanism.
24:55 - Comparison of the Deringer's firing sequence to modern weapons.
26:20 - Demonstration of the Deringer's firing sequence and sound.
27:10 - Proximity of Booth to Lincoln when he fired the weapon.
27:50 - Booth's understanding of the play's comedic timing and assassination planning.
29:40 - Discussion of Booth's planning and escape plan.
30:30 - Process of loading the Derringer and importance of seating the bullet properly.
32:15 - Please join us next time for part two!

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When Joseph Scott Morgan was on his first date with his wife Kim she asked him what he did for a living. When he responded by telling her that he worked for the Medical Examiner, essentially the coroner, examining dead bodies and performing autopsies, she looked at him with a puzzled expression…We all have aspects of our lives that are unusual, whether it’s our family, our habits, or our jobs. But when we do these things every day, they become so normal to us that we don’t even question them anymore. In this special episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard go into depth on the touchstone of forensic death investigation: autopsies. They discuss what an autopsy is, who can order one, the different kinds, and how Joe ended up in this unique profession. 

Show Notes

:0:00 - Intro

2:07 - What is an autopsy?

4:10 - Who determines when an autopsy is done? Why would you not do one?

7:40 - Can an autopsy be done even if the family doesn’t want it?

9:58 - Gloria Satterfield’s cause of death

12:45 - Are there different kinds of autopsies?

17:55 - Joe’s experience in the autopsy room

18:56 - What is a full autopsy and how long does it take?

26:50 - Can certain autopsies be prioritized?

30:22 - Is an autopsy considered surgery?

34:05 - How did Joseph Scott end up working in a morgue?

38:50 - Seeing bodies in all different kinds of states

41:40 - How does Joe’s family deal with his line of work?

43:45 - Joe’s take on his career

45:21 - Wrap up

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The body of Melody Hoffman is discovered on a cold February morning. The person who finds her body calls 911 and describes her beautiful skin, she has all kinds of marks on her back, "like slashes" and her hands are curled in a way they shouldn't have been. She has been left in the freezing cold with nothing on but her underwear. Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how it is possible that the 20-year-p; has slashes across her back and has lost a lot of blood, but that isn't what killed her. Dave Mack digs into the different relationships that led to the murder of a 20-year-old woman who just wanted a boyfriend to care about her.

Transcript Highlights

00:01.16  Introduction

04:29.89 Melody Hoffman is missing

09:45.20 Melody might have been pregnant

14:30.41 Buy killing supplies

19:19.24 Picture on phone of Melody beaten, crying, tape over mouth

25:49.51 Murder happened February 18th, very cold

30:46.08 Does weather impact dead body

35:26.44 How much abuse had boyfriend put her through

39:39.14 Melody was strangled to death

47:58.86 Why was body left where it would be found

Conclusion

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17-year-old Esther Gonzalez is walking from her parents house to her sister's house, and she never arrives. The next day her body is found in a snowpack on the side of the road. She has been raped and bludgeoned to death. The man who finds the body, Randy Williamson, talks to police and is described as argumentative. He ends up taking a polygraph and passes. With the only person of interest eliminated, the case goes cold. Joseph Scott Morgan explains what happens to a body over time and how the evidence gathered by detectives in 1979, made it possible to solve a cold case 44-years later. To learn about the incredible work being done by Othram labs take a look at www.othram.com. Othram: A revolution in Cold Case Resolution.

Transcript Highlight

00:01.65 Introduction
02:58.10 Geography of California
05:00.02 Snow and Surf on the same day
09:56.34 No surveillance cameras, easy dumping ground
15:01.25 Body of Esther found in snowbank
20:00.88 Why was "the finder" arguing with police?
25:18.98 Esther Gonzalez was raped and bludgeoned to death
30:00.11 The "finder" passes a polygraph test
35:44.63 Hairs that co-mingle
40:09.99 Detectives never gave up, kept investigating
44:59.73 Othram got a match to Randy Williamson. 

He was the killer. He died in 2014.

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Dead bodies and romance.....in Horry County South Carolina, Meagan Jackson is a contractor for the county delivering dead bodies to the morgue of the funeral home. She and her longtime boyfriend Gregory Rice have broken up and they are negotiating custody and support for their four children. Deputy Coroner Christopher Dontell is married to a school teacher and they have two children. The deputy Coroner and the woman bringing dead bodies to the morgue strike up a romance. When Gregory Rice goes missing and turns up dead, suspicion falls on his ex, Meagan and her new boyfriend, the very married Deputy Coroner, Christopher Dontell. Joseph Scott Morgan will explain what happens in the world of death investigation and how people can grow close to their coworkers under extreme circumstances. Joseph Scott Morgan will also take a close look at Meagan Jackson and Chris Dontell - did she think Dontell, because of his occupation, would know better how to get rid of a dead body? Dave Mack will help untangle the web of lies as Joseph Scott Morgan explains why Dontell has changed his plea and what will happen when he testifies against the woman who was carrying his child when her ex-boyfriend is found dead. 

Transcribe Highlights

00:00.50 Introduction

03:29.84 South Carolina has rich Coroner history 

05:12.67 Elected Coroner in Horry County

10:03.41 Explaining "Livery" service

14:52.41 Deputy Coroner having affair with woman who delivers bodies

20:11.42 An affair the includes death and getting rid of body

24:25.02 Special training, would a deputy coroner have a better idea how to get rid of a body

29:57.62 Questions of a death investigator 

35:05.65 Digital evidence puts suspect at the scene of where body is found

41:08.05 Conclusion - Deputy Coroner cuts a deal and will testify for the state

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We revisit the Murdaugh trial in which South Carolina lawyer, Alex Murdaugh, is currently facing trial for the murder of his wife Maggie, and his son Paul. As the trial continues, we are learning more information about the nature of the crimes and how exactly they played out.In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and special guest co-host  Dave Mack discuss the specifics of both Paul and Maggie’s injuries, why the prosecution uses diagrams vs. photographs when showing evidence in court, whether Paul had any defensive wounds, and much more. 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro1:18 - Background and overview of the case

2:35 - Using diagrams in court vs. photographs

6:05 - Paul Murdaugh’s injuries

11:15 - The second shot to Paul Murdaugh’s head

14:50 - Paul’s face left intact

19:25 - Were there any type of defensive wounds on Paul?

20:30 - Maggie Murdaugh’s injuries

23:30 - Stippling around Maggie’s wounds

26:00 - Shot to the abdomen

29:00 - Was this overkill?

31:00 - Wrap up and outro

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November 22, 1963: John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, was shot and killed during a presidential motorcade in Dallas, Texas.The President is taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital.

By law, Dallas County Coroner Dr. Earl Rose had jurisdiction over the case and should have performed the autopsy. However, against Dr. Earl Rose's protestations, the body of President Kennedy was wrapped in a sheet, placed in a casket with a broken handle, and flown over 1,300 miles away to Washington DC, where 2 naval doctors, who had never conducted a forensic autopsy performed the autopsy on John F. Kennedy. 

Join Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack as they take a close look at the autopsy that was so bad, 60years later questions are still being asked. 

Time Code Highlights
00:00:10 Introduction 
00:01:21 The ripple effect of the assassination of JFk
00:04:31 The moments following the shooting of JFK in Dealey Plaza
00:06:02 Talk about how autopsy "Standard Procedures" were not followed 
00:06:51 Texas state law and jurisdiction over investigation and autopsy
00:07:58 Board Certified Forensic Pathologist Doctor Earl Rose was chief medical examiner for Dallas, Texas at the time and was at Parkland Memorial Hospital
00:09:22 JFK body taken from Dallas to Washington DC for autopsy
00:10:59 Secret Service preparing for President trips.
00:11:36 JFK physical condition after being shot.
00:12:52 Injuries to JFK, at least 2 gunshot wounds. 
00:13:31 Tracheotomy that was performed to establish an airway
00:15:04  Dr. Earl Rose and how his experience was dismissed
00:16:23 Dr. Earl Rose KNEW he was looking at a Murder Investigation.
00:17:47 Discussion Dallas County had jurisdiction over the body.
00:19:03 Talk about autopsy of JFK should have taken place in Dallas
00:20:08 Previous Presidential assassination, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley and their autopsies.
00:22:10 Dr. Earl Rose did the autopsy for Oswald, Officer Tippit, and Jack Ruby.
00:23:36  JFK body being taken to Washington DC 
00:25:16 Comparing Bethesda Naval Hospital to Walter Reed Hospital 
00:26:04 doctors chosen to perform JFK autopsy
00:28:42 why doctors turned bullet wound into tracheostomy
00:29:55  Presidents body wrapped in sheets. Head wrapped in gauze
00:31:09  JFK clothing, tie changed the trajectory of round.
00:32:58  Other clothing worn during the assassination
00:33:44  "magic bullet" going through JFK and Governor Connally, 
00:35:08 Secret Service agents washed interior of Presidential limo. 
00:36:03 Talk about crime scenes - bone fragments found and turned in later
00:37:02 Description of President's head, skull came apart in doctors hands.
00:38:04 Discussion of Assessment
00:40:02 Talk about x-rays that were done on body
00:41:58  Description of the Bethesda autopsy suite 
00:43:51 Ballistics expert Dr. Pierre Fink, forensic pathologist, came to Bethesda 
00:44:53  JFK brain was removed before Dr. Fink arrived
00:46:05 Description of "Brain Loafing".
00:47:22 The autopsy of JFK was not a complete autopsy
00:49:21 Discussion of "family wishes" as it applies to the murder of the president.
00:50:48 Compare autopsy of John F. Kennedy and Robert F Kennedy
00:52:36 Discussion about other pathologists available to do autopsy on JFK
00:55:09 No way to know if other injuries suffered by JFK could have been lethal
00:56:04 Commentary - no excuse for what happened with autopsy of JFK

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