For our final episode for Season 7, we’re thrilled to welcome clinical psychologist and lived-experience speaker, Lumen Gorrie (they / them), to speak with us about gender diversity. Lumen is a queer, trans, multiply neurodivergent, chronically ill, and disabled person based in Naarm. Lumen is passionate about neurodivergence, gender, queerness, disability and accessibility, making systemic change, and (in their words) neuroqueering the heck out of things!

We cover a lot in this chunky ep! Including:

• What neurodivergence means to Lumen and how to respond to when people say, ‘don’t make this your whole identity!’
• Lumen’s path to discovering their own neurodivergence.
• Definitions: Lumen takes us through the difference between sex, gender, and sexuality.
• Lumen’s gender identity and their path to exploring and discovering this.
• Ways that Lumen experienced gender incongruence and dysphoria, and how they reclaimed connection to self.
• When an eating disorder is stemming from gender dysphoria.
• The interplay between gender diversity, neurodivergence, and other aspects of their identity for Lumen.
• What does gender affirming care look like and myths about gender diversity and trans-ness that get in the way of this care.
• Reflecting on gender affirming language.
• Lumen’s tips for those exploring their gender.

You can find Lumen at their websites – LG Psychology and Appetite for Change Project – and on Instagram @brains.beyond.binaries and @appetite_for_change_project.

Things we mentioned:

• Sexual Orientation and Autism (George & Stokes, 2018).
• Trans Healthcare and Neurodiversity Factsheet
• Factors leading to ‘de-transition’ or ‘re-transition’ (Turban et al., 2021).
• Gender affirming surgery having one of the lowest regret rates of all surgeries (Thornton, Edalatpour, & Gast, 2024).

Organisations, listings, and resources

• TransHub – www.transhub.org.au
• Trans Heath Research – www.transresearch.org.au
• Trans Wellbeing – www.transwellbeing.com
• Transcend Australia – www.transcend.org.au  
• ACON - www.acon.org.au
• Equinox – www.equinox.org.au
• Community-led national directory of services and groups for TGD folk – www.trans.au
• Gender Minorities Aotearoa – www.genderminorities.com
• Switchboard – www.switchboard.org.au
• Sock Drawer Heroes – www.sockdrawerheroes.com 

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This week Monique chats with Avril Fazel about living in regional, rural, and remote areas as a neurodivergent person. Avril lives on the lands of Kuungkari, Bidjera and Inningai peoples, between the rural towns of Blackall and Tambo in outback Queensland. She identifies as intersectional feminist with lived experiences in mental illness and neurodivergence, and her social discourse is influenced by her backgrounds in education, community work, and being a local grazier.

We hope you enjoy this beautiful chat as much as we did!

Monique and Avril cover:

• How Avril thinks about neurodivergence and the importance of curiosity.
• Avril’s path to understanding her own neurodivergence and to diagnosis at 50.
• Barriers to services when living rural and remote.
• The proportion of people living regional, rural, and remote experiencing disability, and why neurodivergent folk might gravitate to these areas.
• Avril’s experience of community in her local area, and balancing solitude with community engagement.
• Avril’s experience of the nature and sensory-based components of living rurally.
• How Avril’s deep interest in understanding different ways of learning impacted her teaching.
• The importance of transparent communication and modelling self-understanding and self-regulation strategies when teaching kids.
• Avril’s current special interests.

Things we mentioned:

• Queensland State Government’s Assessment and Referral Team (ART)
• Fact sheet on disability access to the NDIS in rural Australia.
• Check-UP Access for All project - an education tool and app to help medical and allied staff better understand disability.
• Edward de Bono’s Six Thinking Hats

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In this week’s episode we’ll be discussing family violence and domestic abuse. These are important conversations, but they can also be distressing or triggering for some listeners. If this episode feels too difficult to listen to right now, please take care of yourself and consider coming back to it when you feel ready—or just skipping it altogether. And if you or someone you know is currently experiencing domestic abuse, please know that you're not alone and that support is available. We’ve included links and resources below if you need help or someone to talk to.

This week we’re speaking to Patricia Gallagher about domestic and family violence. Patricia is a neuro-affirming registered psychologist, EMDR Accredited Practitioner with EMDRAA, and a Board Approved Supervisor, with over 16 years of experience across diverse settings. She currently works with clients from her private practice based in Melbourne, Gallagher Psychology. Patricia’s niche is in working with women affected by domestic violence, family violence, and childhood trauma; supporting them to heal and rise above the ashes of shame and trauma. In addition to her clinical work, Patricia is a sought-after trainer, supervisor, and speaker in the fields of trauma and family violence.

In this episode we cover:

• What neurodivergence means to Patricia + her experience of being at the early stages of her exploration of her own neurodivergence.
• The definition of family and domestic violence and the different forms of abuse that come under this definition.
• What is ‘covert’ abuse.
• Understanding the cycle of abuse that commonly occurs, and factors that play into this.
• Common traits and emotional experiences of perpetrators.
• What is ‘coercive control’.
• The factors that increase the likelihood of disabled, neurodivergent, and / or previously traumatised folk being targeted for domestic and family abuse.
• Logistical and emotional barriers to leaving situations of domestic abuse.
• Patricia’s approach to supporting people’s recovery from domestic and family violence.
• The shark cage exercise for building boundaries.
• Tips and resources for anyone experiencing domestic or family violence.

Things we mentioned:

• Australian statistics on the prevalence of domestic and family violence.
• Study on the prevalence of intimate partner violence in Australia.
• Royal Commission into rates of family, domestic, and sexual violence of women and girls with disability.
• Australian Government Coercive Control Fact Sheet
• Ursula Benstead’s Shark Cage

Connect with Patricia through her Instagram @gallagherpsychology or @patriciagallagher, Facebook page, Gallagher Psychology, and her website, www.gallagherpsychology.com.au.

Looking for support with situations of domestic or family violence? Try these resources:

Australia wide

• 1800RESPECT (Ph. 1800 737 732) - National sexual assault, domestic and family violence counselling service. Offers phone and online chat support 24/7.
• Relationships Australia (Ph. 1300 364 277) - Counselling and support for individuals and families experiencing relationship breakdown or violence.
• Women's Legal Services - Provide free legal advice and assistance on domestic and family violence, family law, child protection.
• QLife (Ph. 1800 184 527 - 3pm–midnight daily) - LGBTQIA+ peer support and referral.
• Are You Safe at Home?
• Ask Izzy - Search tool for nearby shelters, food, legal help, and more.

Some state based services

• Safe Steps (Victoria) (Ph. 1800 015 188) - 24/7 family violence response line for women and children in Victoria.
• InTouch Multicultural Centre Against Family Violence (Victoria) (Ph. (03) 9413 6500 / 1800 755 988) - Culturally sensitive family violence support for migrant and refugee women in Victoria.
• DVConnect (Queensland) (Women's line: 1800 811 811; Mensline: 1800 600 636) - Crisis counselling and referrals for people experiencing domestic and family violence.
• Immigrant Women's Support Service (Queensland) (Ph. (07) 3846 3490) - Support for migrant and refugee women experiencing domestic and sexual violence.
• Domestic Violence Crisis Service (ACT) (Ph. (02) 6280 0900) - Services for people affected by domestic violence in the ACT.
• Aboriginal Family Domestic Violence Hotline (NSW) ( only: 1800 019 123) - A dedicated line for Aboriginal victims of crime who need counselling, information, and referrals.

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This week Monique welcomes Arnikka de Kort to the podcast, to chat about breastfeeding and infant sleep.

Arnikka is an International Board-Certified Lactation Consultant (IBCLC), Neonatal Nurse and Founder of SuckleBubs - a space that reimagines how women and babies are supported in the early weeks of newborn life.  She is also the creator of In Bloom - a postpartum and breastfeeding mentorship program guiding mothers through their transition to motherhood, from pregnancy and into postpartum.  Drawing from her clinical and lived experience as a neurodivergent mother, Arnikka blends her clinical skills with a deeply attuned and compassionate approach to the care of mothers and babies. 

This ep is packed with knowledge gems direct from Arnikka’s brain, so flick it on to anyone you know who is pregnant or postpartum, neurodivergent or not!

Monique and Arnika cover:

• What is an IBCLC?
• What neurodivergence means to Arnikka and her personal journey to discovering her own neurodivergence and the self-acceptance that came with that.
• Arnikka’s personal experience as a neurodivergent mother with birth and breastfeeding.
• The variability in infant sleep needs.
• The interrelationship between infant sleep, feeding, and baby’s sensory needs.
• Some of the key challenges parents face in their infant feeding journey, including those specific to neurodivergent mothers.
• Dysphoric Milk Ejection Reflex (D-MER).
• Arnikka’s tips for parents experiencing infant feeding challenges.
• Tips for problem solving issues with infant sleep and supporting infant circadian development.
• Elements of pregnancy, birth, and infant care that can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent mothers and tips to manage these.

Things we mentioned:

• Before the Letdown: Dysphoric Milk Ejection Reflex and the Breastfeeding Mother by Alia Macrina Heise
• The NDC institute – free resources and a practitioner directory.
• Motherkind by Zoe Blaskey
• Mama Rising by Amy Taylor-Kabbaz

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On this week’s episode Monique chats with two amazing guests – Specialist GP Dr Megan Thomas (she / they) and Clinical Psychologist Bianca Comfort (she / her) – about Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS), Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS), and Mast Cell Activation Disorder (MCAS).

Dr Megan is a queer, disabled, neurodivergent doctor with lived experience of EDS, POTS, MCAS, and related conditions. She is a GP Specialist and one of the Founding Directors of Connected Health Alliance, an EDS CORE Network of Excellence and health promotion charity working to improve the lives of hypermobile humans through the provision of interdisciplinary healthcare, clinician education, and research. Megan is a passionate advocate of holistic, trauma-informed, person-centred care that is affirming for people of all neurotypes, identities, and experiences.

Bianca is a Melbourne-based neurodivergent Clinical Psychologist and is the Director of Comfort Psychology, a telehealth practice focused on chronic illness and neurodivergence. She is also the Vice President of the Australian Psychological Society (APS), and Co-Chair of the Australian EDS & HSD Network. Bianca's expertise lies in the intersection between neurodivergence and chronic illnesses such as EDS, POTS, and MCAS. Drawing from both her professional and lived experience, Bianca is a passionate advocate and educator.

Monique, Megan, and Bianca cover:

• Megan and Bianca share what neurodivergence means to them, and their experiences as neurodivergent health practitioners with chronic illnesses.
• What are EDS, POTS, and MCAS, and how are these conditions diagnosed?
• Why do we see EDS, POTS, and MCAS commonly occurring together?
• How do these three conditions relate to Autism and ADHD?
• Factors to consider when managing multiple co-occurring conditions.
• The triple empathy problem.
• The types of supports people may need if they have these conditions.
• How to access support.

Things we mentioned:

• The Beighton Score System for EDS and the Hakim 5 questionnaire for hypermobility can be found on the Ehlers-Danlos Society website.
• Mast Cell Mediator Release Syndrome Questionnaire.
• The EDS Society
• The Australian POTS foundation
• The Australian EDS and HSD Network
• The Australian Mastocytosis Society
• Studies on the overlap between EDS, Autism, and ADHD: Cederlöf et al., 2016; Dogan et al., 2011; Shiari et al., 2013; Csecs et al., 2020; Csecs et al., 2022.
• Research on “clinician associated trauma” experienced by patients with EDS - Halverson, Penwell, & Francomano, 2023.

Find Bianca at her clinic, Comfort Psychology, and on Instagram @comfortpsychology. Find Megan through her website, Dr Megan Thomas, or her clinic, Connected Health Alliance, and on socials @drmeganthomas and @connectedhealthalliance.

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Hey everyone, just a heads up that in this episode Jessica mentions times in her life when she was suicidal. If this brings up anything for you, please reach out to someone you trust, or contact one of the support lines we’ve included in the show notes. Take care of yourselves, and feel free to pause or skip this one if you need to.

This week we are chatting to Jessica Horner about neurodivergent stories. Jessica is a proudly AuDHD and disabled woman and she works as a policy advisor with People With Disability Australia. She has previously worked as a journalist at the ABC, where she focused on the experiences of late diagnosed Autistic adults across Australia and wrote, among other pieces, a long form feature article called “A Rich New Lens”. She would later be nominated as a finalist for this article, alongside her producer, for the Media Diversity Australia Award, issued by the Walkley Foundation in 2023. She has also written for ABC Everyday, ABC News, Reframing Autism, Yooralla, and others.

In this episode we deep dive into how neurodivergent stories are told, by whom, and for what purpose, and unpack to impact of this on the neurodivergent community.

We cover:

• How Jessica thinks about neurodivergence.
• Jessica’s experience of her neurodivergence, and how this evolved over time along with her sense of self and identity.
• What are stories, why do we tell stories, and why are stories important?
• How power dynamics become embedded in cultural stories and ways we can work to shift this.
• Unpacking how neurodivergent stories are told.
• What does trauma-informed journalism and storytelling look like?
• Jessica’s current hyperfixations and a personal story on how Autism can show up for her.

You can find Jessica through her website, Spoonfuls of Whimsy, or on Instagram and Facebook @spoonfuls_of_whimsy

Looking for mental health support? Try these resources:

Immediate Support

• Lifeline Australia — 13 11 14 (24/7 crisis support and suicide prevention)
• Suicide Call Back Service — 1300 659 467 (24/7 telephone and online counselling for people affected by suicide)
• Beyond Blue — 1300 22 4636 (24/7 support for anxiety, depression, and suicide prevention)
• Kids Helpline — 1800 55 1800 (24/7 free, private, and confidential phone and online counselling for young people aged 5 to 25)

Additional Resources

• headspace — Support for young people aged 12–25, with mental health, physical health, work, and study support.
• SANE Australia — Support for people living with complex mental health issues and their families.
• 13YARN — 13 92 76 (24/7 crisis support line run by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people)
• QLife — 1800 184 527 (Support for LGBTQIA+ people, available every day from 3pm to midnight)

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This week Monique chats with Sienna Macalister (they/them), who listeners may know by their Instagram handle @sienna.stims, about being an Autistic person with high support needs. Sienna is a non-binary, ‘unreliably speaking’ Autistic advocate, diagnosed with Autism Level 3. They are multiply neurodivergent and have a number of co-occurring health conditions, including Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS), Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS), and Neurofibromatosis Type 1 (NF1). Sienna is passionate about creating a world where Autistic people are not just accepted but celebrated, with a deep affinity for exploring neurodivergence with nuance.

Monique and Sienna cover:

• What does ‘unreliably speaking’ mean?
• What neurodivergence means to Sienna and the importance of understanding the term to mean more than just Autism and ADHD.
• Sienna’s experience of early diagnosis of Autism and the diagnostic overshadowing this led to, particularly around diagnosis of their health conditions.
• The evolution of Sienna’s neurodivergent identity.
• Sienna’s experience of using mobility, communication, and health and wellbeing supports.
• Support needs, disability, and therapeutic intervention as a valid part of the neurodivergent experience, and the difference between affirming and non-affirming therapies.
• The role of lateral violence and internalised ableism in excluding people with higher support needs from the cultural conversation on Autism.
• Sienna’s suggestions to increase inclusion and representation for Autistic people with higher support needs.
• Sienna’s current special interest – budgie breeding!

Find Sienna on TikTok and Instagram @sienna.stims, on their professional Instagram @sienna.macalister_media, or on YouTube @sienna_stims.

Sienna’s writing is features in the anthologies Someone Like Me, edited by Clem Bastow and Jo Case, and Hyperfocus, edited by Spectrum Writing.

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On today’s episode we are deeply honoured to have Dr Michelle Garnett speaking with us about neurodivergence in the teen years, as well as her own life experience as a neurodivergent woman. Dr Garnett is a clinical psychologist, author, and late-diagnosed AuDHDer, and she has worked in the autistic community for over 30 years. Listeners would likely know her as the co-founder of Attwood & Garnett Events, with Professor Tony Attwood. Dr Garnett is a leading voice in neuro-affirming care, research, and advocacy.

We cover:

• What neurodivergence means to Michelle.
• Michelle’s experience of her neurodivergence and anxiety throughout her life, and things that she has personally found helpful in managing anxiety.
• [We get here at about the 40 minute mark!] Reasons why the transition to the teen years can be so challenging for neurodivergence teens and their families, including neurological changes and differences, and school and the broader environment.
• Identity formation in the teen years for neurodivergent teens.
• Making room for your own emotions as a parent.
• Signs to look out for that may indicate your young person is struggling.
• Tips for parents and caregivers supporting neurodivergent young people.
• Michelle’s five key messages for neurodivergent teens.

Things we mentioned + helpful resources:

• Attwood & Garnett Events in general
• Webcast: Autism and Carer Burnout - 11th April 2025 – Attwood & Garnett Events
• Webcast: Autism: Developing a Positive Self-Identity - 22nd August 202 – Attwood & Garnett Events
• Succeeding with Autistic Teenagers – Attwood & Garnett Events
• School Can’t Australia
• Books Dr Garnett recommends for parents
  1. Out of the Box by Madonna King and Rebecca Sparrow
  2. Supporting Autistic Girls and Gender Diverse Youth - Yellow Ladybugs
  3. If autistic themselves: The Neurodivergence Skills Workbook for Autism and ADHD by Jennifer Kemp & Monique Mitchelson
• Podcasts Dr Garnett recommends for teens
  1. For identity and self-acceptance (not identified as ND): Feeling Seen, The Happiness Lab, Ologies
  2. For identified and accepted ND: Uniquely Human: The Podcast, The Divergent Mind
  3. Storytelling & relatable for teens: This Teenage Life, Teenager Therapy, Brave Not Perfect

Find Michelle at Attwood and Garnett Events and on socials @ attwoodgarnett

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We’re super excited to bring you this week’s episode with Senior Clinical Neuropsychologist, Simone Mangelsdorf-Collett (she/her). We chat with Simone about Functional Neurological Disorder (FND) – or, as Simone puts it “the most common disorder you’ve never heard of”. Simone specialises in FND, neurodegenerative syndromes, and movement disorders, and practices out of Yarra City Psychology in Richmond, Melbourne. She is experienced in both ends of patient care, including assessment and diagnosis and rehabilitation and intervention.

If you’ve been wondering about FND, this episode is for you! We cover:

• What is Functional Neurological Disorder (FND), and how does FND differ from other neurological disorders (like epilepsy, stroke, Parkinson’s etc.)
• What does the term ‘functional’ mean, in this context?
• The historical context of FND and how our understanding of this condition has evolved over time.
• Some of the currently known mechanisms behind FND, including predictive coding theory.
• Some common vulnerabilities and triggers for FND.
• The overlap between FND, neurodivergence, and gender.
• Simone takes us through treatment options for FND and who would be involved in the treatment team.
• How Simone came to specialise in FND and her work in FND advocacy and education.

Things mentioned:

• FND Australia
• Support Functional Neurological Disorder in Australia
• Functional Neurological Disorder Society (FNDS), for professionals.
• Here are some studies on the link between FND and Autism – Tamilson et al., 2024, Gonzalez-Herrero et al., 2024, Pun et al., 2020,
• Link between gender and FND – McLoughlin et al., 2023.

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This week Monique chats with Sharen Lui. Sharen is a neurodivergent Educational and Developmental Psychologist, and the Director of Sprout Psychology Melbourne. Sharen specialises in neurodivergence within Asian communities, supporting families with assessments, therapy, and culturally responsive mental health support.

Sharen and Monique cover:

• What neurodivergence means to Sharen and the driving force behind establishing Sprout Psychology in Melbourne.
• Sharen’s path to discovering her own neurodivergence and the role of her cultural identity in this process.
• The impact of words and language on the perception of neurodivergence in Chinese culture.
• The importance of meeting Culturally and Linguistically Diverse (CALD) families and individuals ‘where they are at’ when working therapeutically.
• How do Chinese cultural norms interact with the experience of neurodivergence? Sharen talks Monique through filial piety, gendered expectations for women, and behavioural norms around what it means to be a ‘mature’ adult within Chinese culture.
• The layers of masking for neurodivergent Chinese folk.
• Barriers to accessing culturally competent neurodiversity-affirming health care in Australia for neurodivergent Chinese folk, and Sharen’s work in this space.
• Things to keep in mind when working with CALD groups.

Find Sharen at her Melbourne-based practice – Sprout Psychology.  Monique and Sharen also gave a shout-out to LOAPAC (The League of Autistic Psychologists and Affirming Colleagues), which you can check out to find an affirming psychologist.  

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On this week’s episode we chat with Sari González and Becka Koritz – co-founders of Radical Learning – about unschooling and alternative models of education. Sari and Becka are mums to neurodivergent unschoolers, youth rights advocates, and agile learning facilitators who challenge conventional education and parenting. Through their business, Radical Learning, and their podcast, Radical Learning Talks, they support parents and educators in unlearning control-based approaches to education and embracing trust, consent, and youth agency - especially when supporting neurodivergent kids.

On this episode we cover:

• How Becka and Sari think about neurodivergence.
• Becka and Sari’s paths to alternative education.
• What’s the difference between homeschooling and unschooling?
• Concepts in unschooling, including de-schooling, consent-based learning, and understanding how power manifests in mainstream ideas of teaching and learning.
• How can we teach our kids if we aren’t teachers?
• Navigating our inner ‘Mrs. Trunchbull’ and the internal work of de-schooling.
• Neurodivergence and learning; honouring our unique talents and skills.
• Unpacking the concept of ‘resilience’.
• The Shift Retreat from Radical Learning

Sari and Becka are coming to us from Mexico, so listeners may occasionally hear the sounds of nature in the background!

Connect with Sari and Becka through their podcast, their website, or their Instagram @radical_learning.

Plus, books that Marie recommends in this space:

• Unschooling To University: Relationships matter most in a world crammed with content by Judy Arnall
• Homeschool Gone Wild: Inspired Learning Through Living by Karla Marie Williams
• College Without High School: A Teenager’s Guide by Blake Boles
• The Self-Driven Child: The Science and Sense of Giving Your Kids More Control Over Their Lives by William Stixrud and Ned Johnson
• Raising Free People: Unschooling as Liberation and Healing Work by Akilah S. Richards  

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