Bubble Trouble

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Bubble Trouble features conversations between economist and author Will Page and independent analyst Richard Kramer that lay out some inconvenient truths about how financial markets really work. Like the “boy who cried wolf,” financial markets have a...

  • 47 minutes 24 seconds
    Why Stocks Get Whacked

    When markets get fooled, stocks get …well, WHACKED, to quote a famous Kramerism. Our audience deserves to know more about volatility - for all the PhDs, MBAs and CFAs working on Wall Street, for all the compliance rules and regulations, why is it that a stock can go from hero to zero so quickly? Why is stability in itself destabilizing? [Repeat from May, 2024]


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    Understanding Market Volatility: The Seven Deadly Sins That Get Stocks Whacked


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosted by independent analyst Richard Kramer and economist Will Page, the duo delves into the intricacies of stock market volatility and the factors that lead to significant drops in stock values, often referred to as getting 'whacked.' They explore why financial markets remain volatile despite compliance rules and thorough analysis by Wall Street's experts. Using recent examples like Duolingo and Double Verify, they highlight how sentiment, market expectations, and artificial intelligence fears influence stock performance. They introduce the concept of the seven deadly sins—ranging from expectations management to fake it till you make it—that companies and analysts commit, causing stocks to tank. The discussion covers essential themes like the role of credibility, influence of peer performance, external market factors, and the impact of fear and greed. They also touch on larger market dynamics, such as the dominance of tech giants and the influence of algorithmic trading. The episode is both an educational dive into market mechanics and a cautionary tale for investors, emphasizing the importance of understanding broader market sentiments and the potential pitfalls of speculative trading.


    00:00 Introduction

    01:18 Part One

    02:30 Recent Examples of Stocks Getting Whacked

    06:08 The Role of Expectations in Market Behavior

    10:53 Credibility and Its Impact on Stocks

    16:17 The Influence of Peer Groups and Market Share

    18:19 Mathematical Models and Black Swans

    23:09 Part Two

    24:15 The Sheer Size of Companies and Market Impact

    25:13 Big Companies and Revenue Growth Challenges

    26:33 Market Dynamics and Money Managers

    27:04 Thought Experiment: Market Crowding

    28:53 Taxing Market Capitalization

    34:18 Fear and Greed in Financial Markets

    40:11 Unprofitable IPOs and Market Distortions

    42:47 Seven Deadly Sins of Stock Trading

    46:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    46:53 Credits



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    16 December 2024, 4:32 pm
  • 42 minutes 34 seconds
    How Much Is Copyright Worth?

    In the last couple episodes, we've looked at the property market, we've looked at the demise of Credit Suisse, but now we're gonna go one-on-one with Will Page, talking about his latest work: How much is copyright worth and the way in which music is having its own, getting back at cinema.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, Richard Kramer and economist Will Page dive into the fascinating world of music copyright. They explore the market value, currently pegged at $45.5 billion, and discuss what this number entails, including the roles of record labels, collecting societies, and publishers. They delve deep into the growing significance of vinyl records, the influence of streaming services, and the striking impact of globalization on music trade flows. Additionally, they discuss new market opportunities, the potential for further growth, and the future of direct artist-to-fan engagements. Join the conversation to understand the changing dynamics of the music industry and the economic forces shaping it.


    00:00 Introduction to Bubble Trouble

    00:35 Part One

    01:10 Exploring the Value of Copyright

    02:23 The Economics of Music Copyright

    07:12 Streaming vs. Cinema: A Shift in Consumption

    17:08 The Vinyl Revival

    19:31 Part Two

    19:31 Global Impact of Music Copyright

    22:32 The Global Impact of Reggaeton

    22:47 Economic Disparities in Music Streaming

    23:25 The Big Mac Index and Media Trade

    24:50 K-Pop's Global Dominance

    26:20 The Role of Government in Music Industry Success

    28:36 Canada's Multicultural Music Scene

    30:06 The Rise of Punjabi-Canadian Artists

    33:12 The Future of Music Copyright and Streaming

    37:41 Direct Artist-to-Fan Relationships

    40:50 Emerging Markets and the Future of Copyright

    41:51 Conclusion and Future Episodes



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    9 December 2024, 6:00 am
  • 53 minutes 16 seconds
    Learning From A Doer: A Conversation with Roger Madelin

    Today we are going deep with a real creator. No, not one of the avatars of AI influencers in the creator economy, but someone who builds things that take 20 years to complete, Roger Madelin, CBE, the name behind the scenes in making London's Kings Cross a reality.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    Transformation and Challenges with King's Cross Visionary Roger Madeline


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, co-hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page delve into urban development with Roger Madelin, CBE. Known for his transformative work at London's King's Cross, Roger shares insights on large-scale urban projects, navigating economic cycles, and the intricacies of aligning diverse stakeholders' interests. The discussion also covers the controversial HS2 rail project, the importance of integrating cultural elements in city planning, and the current political landscape influencing housing policies. Roger emphasizes the need for a strong vision, the significance of public spaces, and the necessity of balancing private and public sector efforts to create vibrant, inclusive urban environments.


    00:00 Introduction

    00:48 Part One

    02:16 Transforming King's Cross

    03:56 Reflecting on Urban Development

    05:48 The Impact of Smartening Up Train Stations

    08:45 Navigating Economic Cycles in Urban Projects

    15:20 The Future of Workspaces Post-COVID

    20:09 Balancing Luxury and Community in Property Development

    24:48 Preview of Part Two: HS2 and Urban Planning Challenges

    25:34 Part Two

    26:50 Challenges of High-Speed Rail in the UK

    29:43 The Flaws in High-Speed Two's Business Case

    32:08 Comparing High-Speed One and High-Speed Two

    34:00 The Importance of Comfort Over Speed

    36:03 The Role of Arts and Culture in City Development

    42:09 Political and Economic Challenges in Urban Development

    52:24 Closing Remarks and Reflections

    53:17 Credits




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    2 December 2024, 6:00 am
  • 47 minutes 3 seconds
    The Meltdown of Credit Suisse w/ Duncan Mavin

    On Bubble Trouble, we are never short of subject matter: from the metaverse, NFTs and Chinese real estate, to Silicon Valley Bank and er… that small issue of a former global powerhouse Credit Suisse. Remember them? Well our guest, Duncan Mavin, knows their story better than anyone, and he’s documented them in the wonderfully titled Meltdown: Scandal, Sleaze and the Collapse of Credit Suisse. 


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    Credit Suisse: A Rolling Crisis in Banking Scandals


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Will Page and Richard Kramer discuss the collapse of Credit Suisse with journalist and author Duncan Maven. They delve into Maven's book 'Meltdown: Scandal, Sleaze, and the Collapse of Credit Suisse,' exploring the myriad of crises that plagued the bank. They touch on scandals ranging from rogue traders and sanctions busting to laundering Nazi gold and funding corrupt projects in Mozambique. The conversation also highlights the rapid acquisition of Credit Suisse by UBS over a tense and decisive weekend. Duncan Maven provides insights into the bank’s culture, the broader implications for the banking sector, and why people should care about the ethics in banking. The episode concludes with the discussion of warning signs (or smoke signals) that indicate deeper issues within financial institutions.


    00:00 Introduction

    01:00 Part One

    01:09 Guest Introduction: Duncan Maven

    02:31 The Rise and Fall of Credit Suisse

    03:32 The Impact of White Collar Crime

    05:08 Cultural Issues at Credit Suisse

    09:56 Historical Context of Swiss Banking

    15:21 The Mozambique Scandal

    19:49 The Role of Social Media in Credit Suisse's Collapse

    23:00 The Bulgarian Mafia and Credit Suisse Scandal

    23:47 Part Two

    23:54 The Collapse of Credit Suisse

    24:32 UBS Absorbs Credit Suisse

    26:41 The Aftermath and Lingering Scandals

    28:57 The Swiss Financial Crisis

    32:58 The Future of Swiss Banking

    40:05 Reception of the Book

    42:08 Smoke Signals and Final Thoughts

    46:37 Credits



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    25 November 2024, 6:00 am
  • 47 minutes 58 seconds
    Fiscal Drag Queen

    This week, we’re talking taxes. Don’t switch off, don’t fall asleep and please don’t hire an accountant as the next 45 minutes will defy the laws of gravity and make taxes sexy. Or make saxes testy…  [Repeat from March, 2024.]


    Mentioned in today’s show: Barbarians at the Gate: https://youtu.be/Z3HiONtjZSM?si=xZ64zb46sYIfSs5Z


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    In this engaging episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page explore the complex world of taxes with humor and depth. They discuss the UK's tax system, the incentives it creates, and its contribution to economic inequalities. The duo delves into the problems of the tax code, including issues surrounding tax avoidance by the wealthy, lack of public sector productivity improvements, and the inefficiencies within the HMRC. Kramer and Page critique the approach of privatizing public utilities and the potential problems with private equity in the public sector. They also touch on broader issues like the lack of investment in tax authority systems and propose using tax policies for positive changes, like encouraging the shift from petrol to electric cars in Denmark. Through their insightful conversation, Kramer and Page aim to demystify taxes and highlight their significant impact on society.


    00:00 Introduction

    00:46 Part One

    00:51 The UK's Budget Week and Tax System Insights

    01:48 Tax Evasion vs. Public Sector Productivity

    02:46 The Inequality of Tax Codes: A Global Issue

    04:03 Tax System Flaws and Their Impact on Society

    07:22 VAT: The Taxpayer as Tax Collector

    11:31 The Complexity of National Insurance

    13:43 Simplifying Tax Systems: A Call for Transparency

    16:28 Private Equity and Tax Systems: A New Challenge

    22:39 Decoding the Fiscal Drag Queen

    23:00 The Political Divide on Taxation

    23:21 Economic Lecture: Tax Burden and Growth

    25:07 The Impact of Fiscal Drag on Tax Bands

    26:15 The Surprising Windfall from Fiscal Drag

    27:22 Part Two

    27:45 Exploring the World of Private Equity

    28:51 The Tax Loopholes Fueling Private Equity

    32:24 The Potential Bubble in Public Utilities

    36:26 The Disconnect Between Tax Policy and Reality

    43:58 A Positive Tax Example from Denmark

    47:28 Credits



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    18 November 2024, 8:00 am
  • 52 minutes 15 seconds
    Sonic Shifts: How Tech and Culture are Changing the Music Industry with Mark Mulligan

    This week we welcome Mark Mulligan of MIDiA Research who has had a ringside seat for years and years of bubbles, be it the creator economy, NFTs or AI music, or just everyone claiming they are gaining market share at the same time. He is the founder and driving force behind the tiny little company that an entire industry looks to as the source of truth.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page are joined by Mark Mulligan, a leading music industry analyst and founder of MIDiA Research. They delve into the intricate world of the music industry, discussing the evolution from digital streaming to the rise of new phenomena such as NFTs and AI in music. The trio explores the concept of bifurcation in markets and the distinction between high-end experiences versus bargain deals within the industry. The conversation also touches on the significant cultural shifts, the role of trade associations, and the future of personalized music experiences. Despite the optimism around technology, the hosts remain critical of mainstream narratives, emphasizing the importance of genuine innovation and realistic market assessments. This insightful and provocative discussion is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of music, technology, and finance.


    00:00 Introduction to Bubble Trouble

    01:02 Welcoming Special Guest Mark Mulligan

    01:26 Mark Mulligan's Background and Insights

    02:34 The Evolution of Music Supply

    04:20 The Democratization of Music Creation

    06:13 AI and the Future of Music

    12:16 Fragmentation and Hyper-Targeting in Media

    13:40 The Role of Superstars and Long Tail Creators

    19:20 Streaming Platforms: Carnivores vs. Herbivores

    25:45 TikTok's Influence on the Music Industry

    27:33 Part Two

    28:38 Diving into the Music Industry's Hype

    30:08 Constructive Criticism in Emerging Technologies

    30:39 The Metaverse and NFTs: A Skeptical View

    31:28 Frameworks for Assessing New Technologies

    33:10 The Future of Digital Fandom

    35:15 Bifurcation in the Market

    43:07 Pendulum Swings in Technology Adoption

    44:54 Lessons from the Aviation Industry

    46:29 Final Thoughts and Predictions

    52:00 Credits



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    11 November 2024, 6:00 am
  • 48 minutes 54 seconds
    New Media Overtaking Old Media with Lauren Jarvis

    Podcasts are having another moment:  Trump on Joe Rogan, Kamala on Call Her Daddy. New media is overtaking old media in audience and influence. Back in early 2023, we welcomed guest Lauren Jarvis, who helped bring Rogan to Spotify and growing podcasts into the medium we see today. Given this week’s election mania, we bring Lauren back to make sense of it all. 


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    The Podcast Boom: Analyzing Influence and the Future of Media


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page delve into the evolving landscape of the podcast industry with guest Lauren Jarvis. They discuss the resurgence of podcasts as a significant media platform, touching on notable examples like Joe Rogan's recent Trump interview. The conversation also covers the economic potential of podcasts, their role in reaching new audiences, and the gamification of learning as a growing trend in tech. Jarvis shares insights on the integration of technology into daily life and the future of media consumption.


    00:00 Introduction to Bubble Trouble

    00:59 Part One

    02:52 Political Influence of Podcasts

    05:26 Audience Engagement and Monetization

    09:09 The Future of Media Consumption

    22:11 Part Two

    22:13 Tech Trends and Predictions

    37:46 AI and Data Utilization

    46:12 Closing Thoughts and Farewell

    48:33 Credits



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    4 November 2024, 6:00 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    Solving for X

    Repeat from November, 2023.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page engage in an in-depth discussion with Alex Kantrowitz, veteran tech journalist and founder of Big Technology. The discussion provides insights on some of the issues and dilemmas facing Twitter (now called X) under the leadership of Elon Musk. Kantrowitz offers valuable perspectives on the changing dynamics in the tech world, touching on the rise of Reddit, problems with 'Threads', and the impact of new leadership on Twitter's performance and brand value. The conversation also delves into the principle of 'Effective Altruism' prevalent in Silicon Valley and what it signifies about tech leadership. Analysis of recent data reveals Twitter's shrinking user base and engagement, though it remains a highly popular app. The episode wraps with Kantrowitz sharing about his newsletter 'Big Technology', and its recent features.


    00:00 Introduction and Welcome

    00:46 Part One

    00:52 Interview with Tech Journalist Alex Kantrowicz

    02:17 Exploring Twitter's History and Business Model

    06:52 Twitter's Influence and Impact on Journalism

    07:32 The Decline of Traditional Media and the Rise of Digital Platforms

    08:45 Twitter's Role in the Attention Economy

    09:54 Twitter's Popularity and Influence Despite Declining Numbers

    15:06 Analyzing Twitter's User Data and Trends

    28:47 Part Two

    32:37 The Future of Twitter: Cyclical or Structural Decline?

    36:26 Twitter's Competition: Reddit and Threads

    36:34 The Struggles of Threads

    36:59 The Power of Network Effects

    38:17 The Limitations of Threads

    39:48 The Rise of Reddit

    40:04 The Role of Reddit in the Social Media Landscape

    40:54 The Impact of Pocket App on Twitter

    41:25 The Irrelevance of Threads and the Power of Meta

    44:20 The Challenges Twitter Faces

    45:50 Potential Strategies to Save Twitter

    49:32 The Future of Twitter Under Musk's Leadership

    54:51 The Role of Effective Altruism in Tech Companies

    58:57 The Danger of Singular Solutions

    59:27 The Value of Comments and the Future of Twitter

    01:01:38 Closing Remarks and Promotion of Big Technology

    01:02:34 Credits



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    28 October 2024, 5:00 am
  • 37 minutes 9 seconds
    When Companies Outgrow Countries

    The past week has seen US stocks–and gold, btw–rally to record highs. This week, we’re going to apply the magnifying glass to the ‘Magnificent Seven’ that are driving this rally and ask what happens when the sheer size of these US corporations, or corporate value, starts to overtake individual European stock markets. That’s right - any one of these US companies are worth more than British or German capitalism.  With an election on the horizon, time to figure out what this all means.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    Bubble Trouble: Giants of Global Markets and Economic Quandaries


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, Richard Kramer and Will Page explore the dominance of the 'Magnificent Seven' US corporations in the recent stock market rally and their comparison to European markets. They discuss the significant influence of American tech CEOs versus their European counterparts, global lobbying efforts by big tech, and the economic impact of major tech product launches like Apple's iPhone 16 on UK retail sales. The episode analyzes the UK's economic challenges, governmental budget constraints, and tax policy trade-offs, including the freezing of tax thresholds. The hosts delve into the broader societal and economic consequences of media monopolies, infrastructure investments, and the peculiarities of contemporary political landscapes. 

    00:00 

    00:00 Introduction

    00:55 Part One

    01:00 Feedback and OpenAI Discussion

    02:41 The Magnificent Seven: US Companies vs. European Markets

    04:29 Comparing Market Values

    07:26 Future Projections and Power Dynamics

    12:50 European Response and Regulatory Challenges

    15:49 Investment Strategies and Market Resilience

    18:21 Retail Sales and Apple's Influence

    19:30 Part Two

    19:30 UK's Economic Challenges and Government Budget

    22:19 Tax Policies and Fiscal Strategies

    30:18 The Impact of Media and Big Tech

    35:29 Concluding Thoughts and Audience Engagement

    36:49 Credits



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    21 October 2024, 8:08 pm
  • 33 minutes 43 seconds
    BT 128 Labour’s 100 Days: No Bubbles, Some Troubles

    We thought we’d get a little political on this week’s show. Are we serving up a bubble that was a landslide UK election, or is the new government trouble a bubble? And we want to deconstruct Will’s Pessimism Paradox as it applies to the place we most often seen bubbles, in high finance where the less certain the outcomes to higher the markets go.


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    Deconstructing Economic Pessimism in the Wake of a New Government


    In this episode of Bubble Trouble, hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page discuss the political and economic landscape in the UK following the first 100 days of a new government. They analyze the concept of political and economic bubbles, questioning whether pessimism dominates current narratives. The discussion spans issues like the impact of the cloud on GDP measurement, tax policies, and the importance of attracting talent over traditional economic metrics. The hosts also delve into the role of economists’ outlooks during different economic conditions. The episode underscores the significance of focusing on new strategies and the long-term impact of political decisions, highlighting the government and economic system's current challenges.


    00:00 Introduction to Bubble Trouble

    00:44 Part One

    00:50 Analyzing the New Government's First 100 Days

    03:56 The Pessimism Paradox Explained

    14:13 Debating Economic Growth and GDP

    18:59 Part Two

    19:19 Tax Policies and Economic Challenges

    25:23 The Talent Competition and Immigration

    28:57 Reflections on Political Labels and Strategy

    32:47 Conclusion and Listener Engagement

    33:25 Credits



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    14 October 2024, 5:00 am
  • 44 minutes 7 seconds
    Open AI: For What It's Worth

    We always try to flag the smoke signals of mischievous market behaviour that gets society and stock  portfolios into trouble. Are we about to get fooled again by the hype and hysteria surrounding the poster child Open AI?  Or maybe, just maybe, it’s worth joining us for 30 minutes to find what really sits behind a 150bn valuation and ask whether beauty is in the eye of the beholder?


    For more on Bubble Trouble, including transcripts of the show, visit us online at http://bubbletroublepodcast.com

    You can learn more about Richard at https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kramer-16306b2/

    More on Will Page at: https://pivotaleconomics.com

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    In the latest episode of Bubble Trouble, co-hosts Richard Kramer and Will Page dive into the hype surrounding OpenAI, now valued at $150 billion. They examine the risks of market hype and hysteria behind this soaring valuation, discussing the broader implications for society and the tech industry. The episode explores the nuances of company valuations, comparing public versus private market insights and the lack of transparency in the private sector. With references to past tech bubbles, the hosts analyze the potential conflicts of interest among investors and question the sustainability of current trajectories in tech valuations. As they await the next bubble to burst, Kramer and Page emphasize the importance of scrutinizing underlying business fundamentals in an era of outsized market valuations.


    00:00 Introduction

    00:49 Part One

    01:04 The AI Hype and OpenAI's Valuation

    03:25 Understanding Company Valuations

    06:32 Public vs Private Market Valuations

    10:56 The Transparency Challenge in Tech

    15:26 Reflecting on Past Episodes and Lessons

    21:12 Part Two

    21:49 The Role of Central Banks in Market Bubbles

    25:32 Exploring OpenAI's Valuation and Market Dynamics

    36:09 Smoke Signals and Future Predictions

    43:46 Credits




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    7 October 2024, 5:00 am
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