The New Evangelicals Podcast

Tim Whitaker

  • 1 hour 5 minutes
    411. How To Pastor in the Age of Trump

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker speaks with Cody Deese about his journey from a Southern Baptist upbringing to becoming a progressive Christian leader. They discuss the challenges of navigating faith in a landscape dominated by Christian nationalism, the importance of social justice, and the complexities of maintaining relationships with family members who hold differing political views.


    Cody's Website | Codydeese.com


    Chapters

    01:25 Cody Daese: A Journey from Fundamentalism to Progressive Christianity

    12:35 Navigating Relationships in a Divided America

    18:44 The Role of the Church in Social Justice

    24:31 Confronting Gun Culture and Nationalism in the Church

    30:41 The Evolution of a Spiritual Collective

    34:03 Challenging Church Structures and Leadership

    52:11 Finding Balance in Activism and Personal Life

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

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    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    5 January 2026, 9:00 am
  • 5 minutes 52 seconds
    410. Join the Movement

    Malynda Hale has a year end message to share honesty and gratitude.


    Join us on Dec 30th for our "Join the Movement" Live stream fundraiser -- live on all platforms!

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

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    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    29 December 2025, 9:00 am
  • 20 minutes 24 seconds
    409. That's a Wrap on 2025. Tim's Thoughts on a Year of Change

    In this personal episode, Tim Whitaker reflects on the significant changes and growth experienced throughout the year, both personally and within the New Evangelicals organization. He expresses gratitude to the audience and discusses the evolution of the podcast, the importance of community engagement, and the ongoing fight against Christian nationalism.


    Chapters

    03:00 Organizational Growth and New Directions

    05:48 The Future of TNE and Community Engagement

    08:57 The Call to Action Against Christian Nationalism

    12:13 Gratitude and Looking Ahead

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    22 December 2025, 9:00 am
  • 1 hour 31 seconds
    408. I Used to Work For Turning Point. Here's How I Got Out

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker speaks with Caroline Stout, a former employee of Turning Point USA, about her journey from evangelical fundamentalism to a more nuanced understanding of faith and politics. Caroline shares her experiences growing up in a mega church, her involvement with Turning Point USA, and the evolution of the organization over the years.


    Caroline on Instagram | @Babyblue.tx


    Caroline on TikTok | @Babyblue.tx


    Chapters

    05:10 Growing Up in Evangelical Culture

    15:02 The Evolution of Turning Point USA

    24:45 The Impact of Media and Propaganda

    35:06 Navigating Complexities of Faith and Politics

    40:05 Conclusion and Future Directions

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    15 December 2025, 9:00 am
  • 1 hour 3 minutes
    407. What Changed Our Minds - From Two Former Christian Nationalists

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a candid conversation with Monte Mader, a musician turned content creator. They explore the challenges and transformations in their personal and professional lives, discussing the impact of Christian nationalism, the journey of deconstruction, and the pursuit of authenticity in faith and life.


    Monte's Website | Montemader.com


    Monte's Podcast | Flipping Tables


    Chapters

    03:00 Impact of Christian Nationalism

    09:00 Navigating Faith and Politics

    15:00 Authenticity and Personal Beliefs

    21:00 Challenges of Deconstruction

    27:00 Community and Hope for the Future

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    8 December 2025, 7:00 am
  • 1 hour 17 minutes
    406. Modern White Supremacy Traded White Hoods for Red Hats

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages engages in an enlightening conversation with public theologian and digital pastor, Kristian A. Smith. The discussion spans various critical themes such as the dangers of Christian nationalism, the importance of economic justice, and the moral imperative to address societal inequities.


    Kristian's Website | Kristianasmith.com


    Chapters

    03:46 Discussing Christian Nationalism

    09:11 The Complexity of Christianity and Social Justice

    24:36 Racial Injustice and Historical Context

    39:46 Power of Collective Action

    40:57 Challenges of Class Solidarity

    57:55 Whiteness and Identity Crisis

    01:03:42 Biblical Perspectives on Wealth and Morality

    01:09:26 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    1 December 2025, 7:00 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    405. How to Die with Josh Porter

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Josh Porter, author of 'How to Die: Chaos, Mortality, and the Scandal of Christian Discipleship.' They explore the complexities of Christian discipleship, the rejection of Christian nationalism, and the importance of inclusivity within the faith.


    Josh's Website | Joshuasporter.com


    Chapters

    06:14 The Premise of 'How to Die' and Christian Discipleship

    11:44 Navigating Christian Nationalism and Cultural Contexts

    20:41 Understanding Christian Discipleship in Modern Times

    27:52 The Complexity of Queer Inclusion in Christianity

    34:13 Orthodoxy and the Evolution of Beliefs

    51:43 Bringing Heaven to Earth: A Call to Action

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    24 November 2025, 9:00 am
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    404. MAGA Isn't Afraid of Trans People. It's Disgusted By Them

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Billie and Paul Hoard about their new book Eucontamination. The discussion dives into the theory of disgust and the innovative concept of 'good contamination,' describing how Jesus is seen as a transformative contaminant for good. They explore how disgust influences societal behaviors, particularly within evangelical circles, and how Jesus' embrace of those considered 'impure' subverts traditional notions of purity.


    Billie and Paul's Book | Eucontamination


    Chapters

    08:13 Understanding Disgust from a Psychological Perspective

    14:52 Sociological and Political Implications of Disgust

    18:29 Jesus as the Good Contaminant

    34:23 The Paradox of Holiness and Worldly Contamination

    35:21 The Role of the Church in Spreading Goodness

    35:41 Personal Reflections on Faith and Community

    43:32 The Challenge of Embracing New Experiences

    57:56 Final Thoughts and Theological Insights
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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    17 November 2025, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    403. Reclaiming Theology that Gives Life, not Death

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Brandon Ambrosino, author of 'Is It God's Will? Making Sense of Tragedy, Luck, and Hope in a World Gone Wrong.' They explore Brandon's journey from Pentecostalism to Catholicism, the complexities of the problem of evil, and the implications of Christian nationalism on faith.


    Brandon on X | @BrandonAmbro


    Chapters

    01:54 Brandon's Journey: From Pentecostalism to Catholicism

    16:50 Exploring the Problem of Evil

    42:09 The Intersection of Faith and Christian Nationalism

    51:51 Rethinking Theology and Community Engagement

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    10 November 2025, 9:00 am
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    402. Can a Good God Call for a Genocide?

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Kip Davis, a biblical scholar specializing in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Hebrew Bible. They explore the complexities of interpreting the Hebrew Bible, the nature of God in ancient texts, and the implications of biblical narratives in modern society especially in regard to interpreting genocide depicted in the biblical account.


    Kipp on YouTube | @Dr KippDavis


    Chapters

    04:26 Understanding the Hebrew Bible's Complexities

    11:40 The Bible as a Conversation: Context and Interpretation

    26:14 Genesis: Authorial Intent and Modern Interpretation

    43:24 God's Role in the Garden: Good or Bad?

    57:33 Political Propaganda in Biblical Narratives

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠ 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    3 November 2025, 9:00 am
  • 57 minutes 12 seconds
    401. Political Scientist Dr. Nola Haynes Explains the MAGA problem

    In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Nola Haynes discussing the critical aspects of space security, emphasizing the need for ethical diplomacy in national security. The conversation delves into the implications of Christian nationalism, the role of media in shaping public discourse, and the security concerns posed by extremism.


    https://www.cnas.org/people/nola-haynes


    Chapters

    05:27 The Ethics of Diplomacy in National Security

    12:32 The Role of Media in Shaping Public Discourse

    21:30 The Cult-like Nature of Political Ideologies

    36:32 The Intersection of Technology and Social Media

    42:18 The Global Impact of Nationalism and Racism

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    TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice.  If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com 

    Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals 

    Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals

    This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    27 October 2025, 8:00 am
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