- 56 minutes 5 secondsRebroadcast: 400. The Separation of Church and Hate
*This is a Rebroadcast of Episode 400. The Separation of Church and Hate*
Original Description:
In today's episode, Tim interviews John Fugelsang, author of 'The Separation of Church and Hate.' They discuss John's upbringing in a Catholic household, the hijacking of Christianity by fundamentalists, and the challenges of engaging with those who hold extremist views. The conversation also touches on the role of media in shaping perceptions of Christianity, the impact of Trump on evangelicalism, and the importance of shared values in combating Christian nationalism. John emphasizes the need for Christians to return to the teachings of Jesus and to advocate for love and compassion in society.
John on Twitter | @Johnfugelsang
Chapters
02:45 John's Background and Early Influences
08:29 Engaging with Fundamentalism
14:47 Cognitive Dissonance in Evangelicalism
20:42 The Challenge of Critical Thinking in Faith
38:30 The Role of Media in Shaping Narratives
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10 August 2026, 8:00 am - 59 minutes 38 secondsRebroadcast: 408. I Used to Work For Turning Point. Here's How I Got Out
*This is a Rebroadcast of Episode 408. I Used to Work For Turning Point. Here's How I Got Out*
Original Description:
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker speaks with Caroline Stout, a former employee of Turning Point USA, about her journey from evangelical fundamentalism to a more nuanced understanding of faith and politics. Caroline shares her experiences growing up in a mega church, her involvement with Turning Point USA, and the evolution of the organization over the years.
Caroline on Instagram | @Babyblue.tx
Caroline on TikTok | @Babyblue.tx
Chapters
05:10 Growing Up in Evangelical Culture
15:02 The Evolution of Turning Point USA
24:45 The Impact of Media and Propaganda
35:06 Navigating Complexities of Faith and Politics
40:05 Conclusion and Future Directions
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3 August 2026, 8:00 am - 47 minutes 5 seconds440. Ok but is Hell Really a Thing?
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Brian Recker about his book 'Hellbent' and explores the concept of hell, deconstruction, and the future of Christianity. They discuss how traditional views of hell have shaped theology and how a more love-centered approach can transform faith and justice.
Order Brian's Book | Hellbent
Chapters
05:02 Hell as a metaphor for systemic evil
15:09 The role of metaphor and story in spirituality
25:12 The systemic roots of Christian supremacy
35:08 Practical steps toward justice and love
39:48 Closing thoughts and resources
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27 July 2026, 8:00 am - 1 hour 6 minutes439. Composting White Supremacy
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Ciarra Jones, also known as the Gardening Theologian, about her journey through faith, theology, and activism. They explore themes of white supremacy, deconstruction, queer theology, and the intersection of faith and social justice.
Ciarra's Website | Ciarrajonesconsulting.com
Chapters
05:38 Discussing white supremacy and American history in theology
11:08 Higher education and deconstruction of fundamentalist beliefs
15:27 Queer sexuality and faith reconciliation
20:02 The impact of family and community on faith and identity
43:31 The power of embodiment and marginalized voices in faith
54:53 The role of biblical interpretation and social consensus
01:01:33 Closing remarks and where to find Sierra Jones
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20 July 2026, 8:00 am - 56 minutes 3 seconds438. Fundamentalism Taught Me to Obey. Progressive Faith Taught Me to Love
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Rev. Rachel Kessler, aka the Nerdy Priest, shares her journey from evangelical roots to Anglican priesthood, her work advocating for Palestine, and insights into deconstruction, faith, and social justice. A compelling conversation for anyone exploring faith beyond traditional boundaries.
Rachel's Book | Nerd Faith
Chapters
02:08 Rachel's Background and Deconstruction Journey
08:35 Why Stay in the House of Faith?
15:06 Memorization vs. Understanding the Fruits of the Spirit
28:11 Deconstructing End Times and Christian Nationalism
44:09 The 2016 Election and Faith Perspectives
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13 July 2026, 8:00 am - 53 minutes 23 seconds437. Pastor by Day. Influencer by Night
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Rev. Gerlyn Henry who shares her journey into ministry, her experience as a woman of color in the church, and how she leverages social media to expand her impact. We explore the challenges and opportunities of online faith leadership, the influence of social media algorithms, and the future of church engagement.
Rev. Gerlyn Henry on Instagram | @gerlynhenry
Chapters
02:00 The Journey into Ministry and Content Creation
10:03 The Evolution of Online Presence and Public Theology
20:02 The Impact of Metrics on Self-Worth
27:17 The Complexity of Content Creation
32:51 The Importance of Community and Connection
40:16 Merging Modern Worship with Tradition
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6 July 2026, 8:00 am - 59 minutes 42 seconds436. The Cost of Being Queer in the Church and How to Heal
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with psychotherapist Justin Oberste, who shares insights on deconstructing faith, LGBTQ+ affirming therapy, and innovative approaches like ketamine-assisted psychotherapy for healing trauma. A deep dive into navigating faith, sexuality, and mental health.
Justin's Website | Justinoberste.com
Chapters
02:24 Justin's background in LGBTQ+ affirmative therapy
15:16 Leaving fundamentalist environments and family safety
20:40 Navigating community, rejection, and finding belonging
50:35 Integrating protector parts and emotional release
54:39 Justin’s work and how to connect with him
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29 June 2026, 8:00 am - 55 minutes 54 seconds435. Queering History
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Peter Carlson who shares their journey as a medievalist studying gender and queer history, challenging traditional views on marriage, gender, and biblical stories.
Dr. Peter Carlson's Faculty Page
Chapters
08:12 Exploring Gender and Marriage in the Medieval Period
19:58 Queer History vs. Gay History
20:54 The Role of Myth in Understanding Truth
26:23 Exploring Genesis: Chaos, Order, and Creation
29:34 Queering the Creation Narrative
42:32 The Queer Lectionary Project
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22 June 2026, 8:00 am - 50 minutes 12 seconds434. Discovering Better Logics in a Binary World
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms about their journey through faith, race, sexuality, and spirituality. They explore the intersections of whiteness, queerness, blackness, and the kingdom of God, challenging traditional narratives and advocating for a radical, love-centered faith.
Dr. Tamice's Website | Blackmodernmystic.com
Chapters
01:26 Journey of Faith Reconstruction
06:03 Intersectionality of Identity
17:55 The Nature of Power and Love
30:16 Navigating Whiteness and Competition
43:39 Living in Trust and Abundance
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15 June 2026, 8:00 am - 58 minutes 31 seconds433. I Risked My Marriage to Come Out as Trans
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Billie Hoard shares her journey as a trans woman, her faith, and her perspective on Pride Month amidst current social and political challenges. The conversation explores themes of identity, faith, activism, and resilience, offering a nuanced view of the queer experience within faith communities.
Billie on Substack | Billieiswriting.substack.com
Chapters
05:06 The Spectrum of Pride: Celebration vs. Rage
18:15 The Personal Journey of Activism
24:00 Faith and Identity: A Trans Woman's Theology
31:15 Understanding Gender Identity and Personal Journey
49:50 The Importance of Therapy and Open Communication
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8 June 2026, 8:00 am - 54 minutes 53 seconds432. Christian Anarchy and Gender. How to Create a More Beautiful World
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Mae Forrest Barnes. She reveals how questioning hierarchy and coercive power can ignite transformative social change—fueling movements that build community from the ground up.
Mae's Substack | Maeforrestbarnes.substack.com
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