Life After MLM
Roberta Blevins
- 1 hour 18 minutesEpisode 329 : Cathy Callahan
Cathy reached out to me back in the summer to inquire about sharing a perspective that wasn't entirely "Anti-MLM". She had had an extensive and successful experience in the MLM industry, and had helped many people transition into entrepreneurship, while highlighting the lessons learned and the importance of recognizing red flags. In our chat we discuss the evolution of MLM from the pre-social media era to the current landscape, and the shocking realities faced by many in the industry. Along the way, Cathy has a couple of realizations that make me excited for where her Anti-MLM journey is headed.
Show Notes
Connect with Cathy : YouTube | Instagram | Facebook
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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16 December 2025, 12:30 am - 1 hour 26 minutesEpisode 328 : Emmet Mathieu
Trigger Warnings - This episode contains topics such as misogyny, child abuse, and labor exploitation. Please use discretion when listening.
Emmet was just a baby when his family sold all of their possessions and moved in with the local Twelve Tribes. In our chat Emmet talks about living his formidable years in a cult, their surprising side hustles, the living conditions within the communities, the Yellow Deli and it's true purpose and what finally got them to leave and never look back.
Show Notes
Connect with Emmet : TikTok| YouTube| Twitch
Twelve Tribes Under Scrutiny for Marshall Fire
Yellow Deli Linked to Child Abuse
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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7 December 2025, 7:00 pm - 1 hour 17 minutesEpisode 327 : The Yellow Deli
Trigger Warnings - This episode contains topics such as racism, misogyny, child abuse, sexual abuse, violence and exploitation. Please use discretion when listening.
Mr. F and I traveled north to Vista, California to have lunch at the infamous Yellow Deli, this past October. When we returned home, I feverishly dove into the history of The Yellow Deli, the Twelve Tribes cult that runs it and what they believe. This episode blends the two together to prepare us for next week's episode when we go deeper and speak with a survivor of the cult.
Show Notes
r/sandiego - Has anyone gone to the Yellow Deli in Vista?
Yellow Deli People: mellow believers or cult of opportunists?
Ex-Twelve Tribe Members Describe Abuse
Yellow Deli Cult: The Twelve Tribes Explained
The Idyllic Restaurant Chain Owned by a Homophobic, Racist, Child-Beating Cult
Twelve Tribes Vista Yellow Deli
The Child Training Manual (Extreme Trigger Warning)
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30 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 24 minutes 59 secondsEpisode 326 : Happy Thanksgiving!
I have been saving this Chick Tract for a Thanksgiving Bonus Episode! Grab a drink, or prep your turkey with us as we dive into the most hilariously ridiculous Chick Tract we've read so far, as we learn the "true" story of Thanksgiving from an evangelical lens. Happy Thanksgiving from us to you!
Show Notes
Chick Tract of the Week! : The Missing Day
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27 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 49 minutes 52 secondsEpisode 325 : Jane Borden
Happy Thanksgiving! How about a bit of seasonal American history you probably didn't learn about in 2nd grade? Author of Cults Like Us, Jane Borden and I delve into the connections between cult dynamics and American culture, particularly through the lens of the Puritans and Pilgrims. Jane explains how these early groups set the stage for modern consumerism, the psychological impacts of cult-like thinking, and the prevalence of such dynamics in contemporary society, including the rise of influencers.
Plus, Mr. F tries to make me a Trekkie.
Show Notes
The Enduring Legacy of Trekkies
Connect with Jane : Instagram | TikTok | Website
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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23 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 43 minutes 6 secondsEpisode 324 : MLM Mini Dive : Asea
I've been wanting to talk about Asea for awhile and a recent comment on Instagram inspired me to take a closer look into the company. After a deep dive into the Asea Redox Cell Signaling Supplement rabbit hole, what I found was too good not to share and poke fun of in a bonus episode dedicated to maybe the stupidest MLM product of all time.
Show Notes
Asea Redox Aerobic Capacity Study
Asea Redox Cycling Performance Study
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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19 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 1 hour 11 minutesEpisode 323 : The Salem Witch Trials
Michelle is here and we are diving into the factual history behind the events of the Salem Witch Trials, starting with the now out-of-print Chick Tract that's the most historically accurate one I've ever read. In today's Culty History lesson, we discuss "spectral evidence", the impact of accusations, and the underlying motives of land disputes, while drawing parallels between the trials and modern societal fears. Throughout our chat, we emphasize the cyclical nature of mass hysteria events and the importance of understanding history so we are not doomed to repeat it.
But first, the McRib is back and we need to talk about it.
Show Notes
Furious McDonald’s fans erupt after cult classic McRib sells out within hours of return
How McDonald's McRib Became A Cult Classic
Chick Tract of the Week! : Satan Comes to Salem (Out of Print)
Sources:
A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials
World History.org - Salem Witch Trials
History.com - Salem Witch Trials
Salem Witch Trials Documentary Archive and Transcription Project
The Truth About the Salem Witch Trials (TikTok)
What Caused the Salem Witch Crisis? P1 (TikTok)
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Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.
Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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16 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 1 hour 19 minutesEpisode 322 : The High Priestess of Pink - Part 2
In Part 2 of the High Priestess of Pink, Nic and I discuss the influence of figures like Dale Carnegie on the modern "MLM Mean Girl", the impact of the great wealth transfer on the corporate side of MLMs, the changing landscape of direct sales as more MLMs ditch the pyramid and go pancake and the implications of those changes for consultants. Plus the early history of BeautiControl, and what it looks like today.
But first, the cult of Swifties...
Show Notes
Youngevity Welcomes BeautiControl Products and People to our Family
Mary Kay Mentioned in Forbes Twice
Changes to Mary Kay Customer Orders on Mary Kay Website
Ryan Rogers, "They’re not going to change the company." Leadership Conference March 2025
New Mary Kay Sales Director Suits not announced at Seminar 2025
Petition to get new Director Suits
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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9 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 1 hour 8 minutesEpisode 321 : The High Priestess of Pink - Part 1
Nic is back and we're here to deep dive into the life and legacy of Mary Kay Ash, the founder of one of the oldest MLM companies. The story that is told to consultants and regurgitated over and over at events about Mary Kay's life and the founding of the company? Turns out, it's not true. Nic has come with the records and receipts as we go through the fabrications surrounding her origin story, and the truth about her multiple marriages. Our conversation also highlights the eerily similar connections between Mary Kay and other more recent MLM founders, the nepotistic cronyism in the family business, and the crumbling feminist facade of her company.
Show Notes
One of Mary Kay’s First Consultants Reveals The Dirt
Ask ME about Mary Kay: The True Story Behind the Bumper Sticker on the Pink Cadillac by Jackie Brown
Ben Rogers Jr, Mary Kay’s son, major investor in Mary Kay Cosmetics Inc startup
Ben Rogers Dallas News Obituary
Marilyn Rogers was one of the first Sales Representatives
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Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.
Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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2 November 2025, 2:00 pm - 1 hour 1 minuteEpisode 320 : Haunted San Diego
Happy Halloween Huns! Come join us as we explore the earliest spooky history and most haunted locations all over San Diego. In this special Halloween episode we go on location and experience San Diego, just after the Mexican-American War; the development of present day Downtown, the history of The Whaley House, San Diego's first cemetery El Campo Santo, Rancho Guajome Adobe and Pioneer Park. These are some of my absolute favorite spooky places in San Diego, and I am excited to share this history lesson with you! And as promised, the Chick Tract "Happy Halloween". Stay Safe!
Sources
America’s Most Terrifying Ghost Story
San Diego's Scariest and Most Haunted Place
Hidden San Diego - Pioneer Park
The Haunted Guide to Pioneer Park
San Diego Parks & Rec : Mission Hills
San Diego Parks & Rec : Mount Hope
Are there BODIES beneath a San Diego Park?
Mount Hope's Graveyard for Tombstones
We Know Where the Bodies are Buried
Guide to the Calvary Cemetery Collection
Yankee Jim : A Case of Mistaken Identity?
Show Notes
Chick Tract of the Week! : Happy Halloween
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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31 October 2025, 5:30 pm - 1 hour 19 minutesEpisode 319 : The Death of Alene Schrader
In this episode, we delve into the tragic story of Alene Schrader, who suffered fatal medical neglect at the hands of her granddaughter, Kandise Sheahen, a registered nurse involved in the MLM Q Sciences. Our conversation with Alene's grandson, Jon Schrader and his wife Francesa, explores the dangers of MLM products as healthcare, the risks associated with trusting unqualified individuals in financially motivated medical situations, and the subsequent legal proceedings following Nana's death from ketoacidosis. This story is the worst case scenario of everything we have learned this year about the monetized health and wellness space, and should be listened to with caution.
Show Notes
Chick Tract of the Week! : The Little Ghost
Connect with Francesca : Instagram
Wausau Nurse Charged in Grandmother’s Death
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Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action
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