The Marketing AI Show

Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput

  • 1 hour 29 minutes
    #207: OpenAI vs. Anthropic Feud, Claude Mythos Leak, Brutally Honest CEOs & Data Center Moratorium

    Five companies are about to decide the future of the economy, geopolitics, and your career… and two of them have been locked in a deeply personal feud since 2016.

    This week, Paul and Mike dig into a Wall Street Journal investigation tracing the OpenAI vs. Anthropic rivalry back to broken promises and a San Francisco group house, explore what Anthropic's accidentally leaked "Mythos" model means for cybersecurity and the next leap in AI capability, react to Uber's CEO admitting AI will replace 70-80% of human work, and unpack nearly $300M in political money now flowing into AI deregulation. Plus: agent security risks, Apple's Siri overhaul, a new SmarterX use case spotlight, and an AI Academy deep dive on AI for Sales. 

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:15 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:05:30 — OpenAI vs. Anthropic

    00:26:02 — Details Leak on Anthropic’s New Hyper-Powerful Model

    00:35:34 — Brutally Honest CEO Perspectives on AI

    00:48:29 — Anthropic Granted Preliminary Injunction in Fight Against the Pentagon

    00:51:06 — This Week in AI Politics

    00:56:55 — AI Agent Nightmares

    01:02:15 — Apple's AI Reboot

    01:05:21 — SmarterX Use Case Spotlight

    01:17:53 — AI Academy Spotlight

    01:22:59 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    31 March 2026, 9:00 am
  • 54 minutes 9 seconds
    #206: Building AI Councils That Work, Motivating Passive Adopters, Why Pilots Stall, and Amazon’s AI Slowdown

    Not a single company leader Paul has spoken with is fully prepared for what AI is about to do to their workforce. In this AI Answers episode, Paul and Cathy work through 15 real questions from a recent Scaling AI class, covering everything from the AI divide inside companies to why most AI strategies fail before they start.

    Topics include job displacement and underemployment, why enterprises handed AI to IT and get stuck, the automation-vs-augmentation spectrum by seniority level, what knowledge work looks like in three years, and why showing a skeptical CEO results beats showing them prompts every time.

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:06:09 — Is Amazon slowing its AI rollout a sign of maturity?

    00:08:58 — Are large enterprises structurally disadvantaged in the AI era?

    00:12:14 — Who owns the AI adoption and data readiness problem?

    00:14:56 — Is there a growing AI divide between power users and everyone else?

    00:21:16 — What AI take do most people disagree with?

    00:22:47 — Can companies automate too much too fast?

    00:26:19 — Does automation eventually take over or do we land in the middle?

    00:28:24 — What does the average knowledge worker's job look like in three years?

    00:35:02 — What are companies still getting wrong about AI strategy?

    00:36:27 — How should leaders should decide what matters versus what’s noise?

    00:40:21 —  What separates AI councils that drive progress from ones that don't?

    00:41:47 — Where is governance necessary and where does it get in the way?

    00:45:17 — Should you show leadership the AI system or the results?

    00:47:19 — What's the no-brainer AI use case most companies still haven't tried?

    00:49:36 — Why do people wait to be told how to use AI instead of experimenting?

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    26 March 2026, 9:00 am
  • 1 hour 37 minutes
    #205: AI Labs Refocus on Agents and Enterprise, Trump’s New AI Framework, Meta’s Rogue Agent & What 81,000 People Want from AI

    Claude Code didn't just change one company's trajectory, it triggered a chain reaction across every major AI lab. In this episode, Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput break down how OpenAI, Google, Meta, xAI, and Microsoft are all scrambling to catch up in the agent and enterprise race, and why the next three to six months could look radically different from anything we've seen. 

    In rapid fire: Microsoft shakes up Copilot leadership, a Meta AI agent goes rogue and causes a security breach, the Anthropic-Pentagon legal battle intensifies, Google DeepMind proposes 10 traits for measuring AGI, and more.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:04:04 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:05:50 — AI Labs Refocus on Agents and Enterprise

    00:29:07 — New Polling on AI and Trump National AI Framework

    00:45:46 — Company Transformation with AI (Offsite Recap)

    00:59:52 — Nadella Takes Over Microsoft Copilot

    01:06:06 — Meta's Rogue AI Agent

    01:10:01 — Anthropic vs. Pentagon Continues

    01:14:42 — DeepMind’s New AGI Scorecard

    01:18:40  — What 81,000 People Want from AI

    01:26:01 — AI Academy Spotlight

    01:30:47 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    24 March 2026, 9:00 am
  • 59 minutes 7 seconds
    #204: AI Answers - What Should Stay Human, AI Pricing vs. Labor Cost, Leapfrogging Digitalisation, Getting Legal On Board & Do Reasoning Models Actually Reason?

    Billable hours are in the past, human creativity gets its strongest case yet, and Paul explains what happens when ten AI agents start collaborating like a marketing team. Paul and Cathy tackle 16 real questions on career pivots into AI, the risks of over-reliance on productivity gains, enterprise training personalization, labor replacement pricing, whether AI actually reasons, and what leaders should do with the time AI is giving back.

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:05 — How do you transition into AI without a coding background?

    00:06:03 — What are the best AI skills to learn while job searching?

    00:08:56 — Should consultants bill for time spent experimenting with AI?

    00:11:44 — How do we make sure AI productivity isn't quietly weakening our thinking?

    00:14:17 — What's the best reframe for creatives who see AI as a threat?

    00:19:04 — How do you wrangle a Wild West AI free-for-all at your company?

    00:20:45 — How do you personalize AI training at the enterprise level?

    00:23:41 — How do you get legal stakeholders to enable AI adoption instead of blocking it?

    00:28:06 — How will AI adoption pick up in traditional industries like manufacturing?

    00:31:24 — Can companies behind on digitalisation leapfrog ahead with AI?

    00:34:33 — Will AI companies eventually price based on the labor they replace?

    00:37:55 — What is a swarm of agents and why does it matter?

    00:43:34 — Do reasoning models actually reason or just predict the next word?

    00:46:54 — Should AI companies be regulated to preserve diversity of thought?

    00:49:34 — If AI can solve advanced math, why can't it solve technological unemployment?

    00:52:40 — How do we make sure AI gives us time back instead of just more work?

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    19 March 2026, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 40 minutes
    #203: Anthropic vs. Pentagon Round 3, NYT AI vs. Humans Writing Test, Atlassian’s AI-Era Layoffs & Grammarly's Expert Cloning Scandal

    Anthropic has filed two federal lawsuits to block the Pentagon's supply chain risk designation and the back-and-forth on X between the Pentagon CTO and AI policy experts is revealing what this fight is really about. Paul and Mike unpack the politics, the implications, and why a deal is inevitable.

    Then: 86,000 people took the NYT's AI writing quiz and most preferred the machine. Paul shares his human-to-machine writing scale and asks the question that actually matters: not whether AI can write, but when should we let it? Plus Atlassian's 1,600 AI-driven layoffs, Amazon's AI-caused outages, McKinsey's chatbot getting hacked in two hours, and more.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:11 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:07:48 — Anthropic vs. Pentagon Round 3

    00:30:02 — New York Times Releases Controversial "AI Writing Quality" Quiz

    00:46:18 — Atlassian Layoffs and Job Loss Dashboard

    00:58:49 — Adobe CEO Stepping Down

    01:07:14 — Amazon AI-Related Outages and Engineering Struggles

    01:14:28 — McKinsey AI Chatbot Hacked

    01:19:49 — AI Politics Update

    01:24:06 — Grammarly AI "Expert Review" Controversy

    01:30:51 — Andrej Karpathy's Autoresearch Agent

    01:34:47 — AI Product and Funding Updates


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    17 March 2026, 9:00 am
  • 58 minutes 40 seconds
    #202: AI Answers - AI for Marketing, Sales & Customer Success, Marketing Agent Swarms, Entry-Level Job Disruption, Environmental Impact and AI Privacy

    A VC-backed startup just admitted its strategy is to clone incumbent software using Claude Code and sell it for 90% less. Entry-level marketing roles are vanishing as leaders realize they can generate entire campaigns in minutes. And agent swarms that function as out-of-the-box marketing teams could arrive by year's end.

    Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput answer 15 questions from business leaders across marketing, sales, and customer success covering everything from AI's environmental impact to how to prove efficiency gains to skeptical teams.

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:18 — How should a CMO get started with AI?

    00:09:57 — What is the difference between an AI agent and a regular prompt?

    00:12:47 — Will AI labs fix their environmental impact?

    00:17:04 — How to convince skeptics that AI can help improve performance?

    00:19:55 — How to deal with AI sycophancy when using it as a thought partner

    00:22:06 — What efficiency gains are people seeing from generative AI in marketing?

    00:25:42 — How to track and measure time saved by AI

    00:27:47 — How to manage information and prompts across multiple AI platforms

    00:33:59 — How to balance AI adoption with data privacy and security

    00:36:17 — Which roles will be most disrupted by AI?

    00:43:51 — Will AI sales calls just feel like spam robocalls?

    00:46:29 — How to reinvest time saved by AI into growth and innovation

    00:49:33 — When to buy software versus build it yourself with AI

    00:54:35 — How to protect yourself from others using AI agents irresponsibly

    00:55:58 — Why IT should not be the one driving AI adoption

    Show Notes: Access the show notes and show links here

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    12 March 2026, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 24 minutes
    #201: Anthropic vs. Pentagon Round 2, AI Job Impact Study, Services as the New Software & GPT-5.4

    The data is in, and it's harder to ignore. Anthropic's new "observed exposure" study reveals AI can handle 94% of knowledge work tasks in theory and the gap between theory and reality is narrowing fast. Paul and Mike unpack what that means for your career, your company, and the broader social contract around work.

    This week: the Anthropic vs. Pentagon saga escalates, a Sequoia partner predicts AI will replace entire service industries (not just software), GPT-5.4 drops and outperforms professionals on economic benchmarks, a Polish mathematician has his "personal singularity" moment — plus rapid fire on AI journalism, OpenClaw security risks, AI copyright law, and Meta's smart glasses privacy scandal.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:04:32 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:07:00 — Anthropic vs. US Government Round 2

    00:19:43 — Anthropic Analyzes AI Job Impact

    00:35:30 — Services as the New Software

    00:49:19 — Barriers to Enterprise AI Adoption

    00:54:54 — GPT-5.4

    01:00:55 — The Move 37 Moment for Math

    01:05:39 — AI and Journalism Update

    01:10:03 — NVIDIA CEO Calls OpenClaw “Most Important Software Release Ever”

    01:13:35 — AI Art Can’t Be Copyrighted

    01:16:08 — Meta Sued Over Smartglasses Privacy Concerns

    01:19:21 — Microsoft Copilot Cowork

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    10 March 2026, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 29 minutes
    #200: Anthropic vs. the Pentagon, OpenAI's $110B Round, Interview with Claude Code’s Creator & Block’s AI-Driven Layoffs

    Episode 200 arrived in the midst of a very dramatic week in AI and we recorded it live with AI Academy Mastery members for the first time!

    This week, Paul and Mike discuss an eventful 72 hours beginning with the Trump administration’s ultimatum to Anthropic. Eventually Anthropic refused, got blacklisted, and hours later OpenAI stepped in to take the deal. Paul and Mike unpack every twist, including why Peter Thiel's fingerprints on both sides make this even wilder.

    Also: OpenAI's $110B funding round, Claude Code creator Boris Cherney on why coding is "effectively solved" (and what that means for your job), Block laying off 4,000 people and naming AI as the reason, and a doomer economic essay that actually moved Wall Street.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:30 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:07:08 — Anthropic vs. US Government

    00:44:55 — OpenAI Funding, Amazon Partnership, Response to DoD

    00:51:19 — Interview with the Head of Claude Code

    00:59:38 — Block AI Job Cuts

    01:04:41 — AI Doomer Essay from Citrini

    01:10:54 — Politics of Data Centers

    01:15:15 — Anthropic Fluency Index

    01:18:29 — Anthropic Distillation Attacks

    01:21:46 — NVIDIA Earnings

    01:24:19 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    3 March 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 53 seconds
    #199: AI Answers - Do Custom GPTs Still Matter? AI Output Validation, 2026 Job Disruption, Preventing Burnout, and Build vs. Buy

    There is no shortcut for AI verification, and that's a good thing. 

    Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips answer 15 questions business leaders continue asking again and again. They unpack why AI output verification has no shortcut, where agent-building tools like Claude Code and Lovable actually stand, and the uncomfortable math behind which roles get disrupted next. Paul explains why enterprises are moving painfully slow even as the technology races ahead, how early adopters are creating burnout by doing the work of entire teams, and why situational awareness is the AI superpower most leaders are missing.


    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:07:00 — Question #1: Do you need to prompt AI the same way every time?

    00:10:59 — Question #2: What problem do custom GPTs actually solve?

    00:14:26 — Question #3: Are SaaS providers becoming model agnostic?

    00:17:09 — Question #4: Why AI voice and tone change when models update.

    00:20:36 — Question #5: AI output validation: why there's no shortcut for verification.

    00:23:17 — Question #6: Tools for building AI agents: where to start.

    00:26:11 — Question #7: Will knowledge workers face the same AI disruption as developers?

    00:29:53 — Question #8: AI burnout: how leaders can prevent it during the AI transition.

    00:36:21 — Question #9: Which roles and skills are most at risk from AI?

    00:42:03 — Question #10: Traditional BI platforms vs. AI-first reporting systems.

    00:45:22 — Question #11: Build vs. buy: AI decision framework for business leaders.

    00:48:52 — Question #12: Competitive advantage for AI-forward agencies.

    00:52:43 — Question #13: How to tell when someone just copy-pasted from ChatGPT.

    00:54:39 — Question #14: Ads in AI platforms: what business users should know.

    00:56:42 — Question #15: The one AI superpower every business leader needs.

    Show Notes: Access the show notes and show links here


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    26 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 32 minutes
    #198: Microsoft AI CEO Predicts Job Automation in 18 Months, AI Productivity Evidence, Dario Amodei Interview & Seedance 2.0

    Microsoft's AI CEO just put a 12–18 month expiration date on most white-collar work. But after spending weeks with enterprise executives, Paul Roetzer sees a very different reality: most companies haven't even gotten past giving their teams AI access.

    In Ep. 198, Paul and Mike unpack the growing disconnect between AI capability and AI adoption, share Paul's 7-point thought experiment on the future of work, and cover a massive week of news: Dario Amodei's warning about the AI exponential, AI productivity gains finally appearing in economic data, ByteDance's SeaDance 2.0 copyright crisis, Claude Sonnet 4.6, Open Claw's creator joining OpenAI, AI hardware moves from Apple and Meta, and a provocative editorial arguing journalism schools are failing students.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:38 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:08:48 — Microsoft AI CEO Predicts White Collar Work Automated in 12-18 Months

    00:20:42 — AI Productivity Evidence

    00:33:23 —Dario Amodei on Dwarkesh

    00:47:55 — Dor Brothers AI Movie and the Rise of Seedance

    00:55:07 — Claude Sonnet 4.6

    01:00:51 — OpenClaw Creator Goes to OpenAI

    01:05:00 — OpenAI Devices and AI Devices

    01:14:51 — AI in Journalism Controversy

    01:25:05 — Meta Patents AI for the Dead

    01:26:56 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    24 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 17 minutes
    #197: Something Big Is Happening, Claude Safety Risks, AI for Customer Success & High-Profile Resignations

    Is the AI disruption we’ve been discussing more prominent than ever? Hosts Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput dissect Matt Shumer’s viral "Something Big Is Happening" essay and a new sabotage report from Anthropic. We break down the latest departures from OpenAI and xAI, the delay of OpenAI’s device, and how AI is intensifying (not lightening) the modern workload.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:51 — AI Pulse Survey

    00:07:58 — Something Big Is Happening

    00:27:06 — Claude Safety Risks

    00:46:37 — Academy Success Score

    01:03:33 — High Profile AI Resignations

    01:06:55 — OpenAI’s Changing Hardware Plans

    01:09:17 — Does AI Actually Intensify Work?

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    17 February 2026, 12:00 pm
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