The Marketing AI Show

Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput

  • 1 hour 24 minutes
    #201: Anthropic vs. Pentagon Round 2, AI Job Impact Study, Services as the New Software & GPT-5.4

    The data is in, and it's harder to ignore. Anthropic's new "observed exposure" study reveals AI can handle 94% of knowledge work tasks in theory and the gap between theory and reality is narrowing fast. Paul and Mike unpack what that means for your career, your company, and the broader social contract around work.

    This week: the Anthropic vs. Pentagon saga escalates, a Sequoia partner predicts AI will replace entire service industries (not just software), GPT-5.4 drops and outperforms professionals on economic benchmarks, a Polish mathematician has his "personal singularity" moment — plus rapid fire on AI journalism, OpenClaw security risks, AI copyright law, and Meta's smart glasses privacy scandal.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:04:32 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:07:00 — Anthropic vs. US Government Round 2

    00:19:43 — Anthropic Analyzes AI Job Impact

    00:35:30 — Services as the New Software

    00:49:19 — Barriers to Enterprise AI Adoption

    00:54:54 — GPT-5.4

    01:00:55 — The Move 37 Moment for Math

    01:05:39 — AI and Journalism Update

    01:10:03 — NVIDIA CEO Calls OpenClaw “Most Important Software Release Ever”

    01:13:35 — AI Art Can’t Be Copyrighted

    01:16:08 — Meta Sued Over Smartglasses Privacy Concerns

    01:19:21 — Microsoft Copilot Cowork

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    10 March 2026, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 29 minutes
    #200: Anthropic vs. the Pentagon, OpenAI's $110B Round, Interview with Claude Code’s Creator & Block’s AI-Driven Layoffs

    Episode 200 arrived in the midst of a very dramatic week in AI and we recorded it live with AI Academy Mastery members for the first time!

    This week, Paul and Mike discuss an eventful 72 hours beginning with the Trump administration’s ultimatum to Anthropic. Eventually Anthropic refused, got blacklisted, and hours later OpenAI stepped in to take the deal. Paul and Mike unpack every twist, including why Peter Thiel's fingerprints on both sides make this even wilder.

    Also: OpenAI's $110B funding round, Claude Code creator Boris Cherney on why coding is "effectively solved" (and what that means for your job), Block laying off 4,000 people and naming AI as the reason, and a doomer economic essay that actually moved Wall Street.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:30 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:07:08 — Anthropic vs. US Government

    00:44:55 — OpenAI Funding, Amazon Partnership, Response to DoD

    00:51:19 — Interview with the Head of Claude Code

    00:59:38 — Block AI Job Cuts

    01:04:41 — AI Doomer Essay from Citrini

    01:10:54 — Politics of Data Centers

    01:15:15 — Anthropic Fluency Index

    01:18:29 — Anthropic Distillation Attacks

    01:21:46 — NVIDIA Earnings

    01:24:19 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    3 March 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 53 seconds
    #199: AI Answers - Do Custom GPTs Still Matter? AI Output Validation, 2026 Job Disruption, Preventing Burnout, and Build vs. Buy

    There is no shortcut for AI verification, and that's a good thing. 

    Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips answer 15 questions business leaders continue asking again and again. They unpack why AI output verification has no shortcut, where agent-building tools like Claude Code and Lovable actually stand, and the uncomfortable math behind which roles get disrupted next. Paul explains why enterprises are moving painfully slow even as the technology races ahead, how early adopters are creating burnout by doing the work of entire teams, and why situational awareness is the AI superpower most leaders are missing.


    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:07:00 — Question #1: Do you need to prompt AI the same way every time?

    00:10:59 — Question #2: What problem do custom GPTs actually solve?

    00:14:26 — Question #3: Are SaaS providers becoming model agnostic?

    00:17:09 — Question #4: Why AI voice and tone change when models update.

    00:20:36 — Question #5: AI output validation: why there's no shortcut for verification.

    00:23:17 — Question #6: Tools for building AI agents: where to start.

    00:26:11 — Question #7: Will knowledge workers face the same AI disruption as developers?

    00:29:53 — Question #8: AI burnout: how leaders can prevent it during the AI transition.

    00:36:21 — Question #9: Which roles and skills are most at risk from AI?

    00:42:03 — Question #10: Traditional BI platforms vs. AI-first reporting systems.

    00:45:22 — Question #11: Build vs. buy: AI decision framework for business leaders.

    00:48:52 — Question #12: Competitive advantage for AI-forward agencies.

    00:52:43 — Question #13: How to tell when someone just copy-pasted from ChatGPT.

    00:54:39 — Question #14: Ads in AI platforms: what business users should know.

    00:56:42 — Question #15: The one AI superpower every business leader needs.

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    26 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 32 minutes
    #198: Microsoft AI CEO Predicts Job Automation in 18 Months, AI Productivity Evidence, Dario Amodei Interview & Seedance 2.0

    Microsoft's AI CEO just put a 12–18 month expiration date on most white-collar work. But after spending weeks with enterprise executives, Paul Roetzer sees a very different reality: most companies haven't even gotten past giving their teams AI access.

    In Ep. 198, Paul and Mike unpack the growing disconnect between AI capability and AI adoption, share Paul's 7-point thought experiment on the future of work, and cover a massive week of news: Dario Amodei's warning about the AI exponential, AI productivity gains finally appearing in economic data, ByteDance's SeaDance 2.0 copyright crisis, Claude Sonnet 4.6, Open Claw's creator joining OpenAI, AI hardware moves from Apple and Meta, and a provocative editorial arguing journalism schools are failing students.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:38 — AI Pulse Survey Results

    00:08:48 — Microsoft AI CEO Predicts White Collar Work Automated in 12-18 Months

    00:20:42 — AI Productivity Evidence

    00:33:23 —Dario Amodei on Dwarkesh

    00:47:55 — Dor Brothers AI Movie and the Rise of Seedance

    00:55:07 — Claude Sonnet 4.6

    01:00:51 — OpenClaw Creator Goes to OpenAI

    01:05:00 — OpenAI Devices and AI Devices

    01:14:51 — AI in Journalism Controversy

    01:25:05 — Meta Patents AI for the Dead

    01:26:56 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    24 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 17 minutes
    #197: Something Big Is Happening, Claude Safety Risks, AI for Customer Success & High-Profile Resignations

    Is the AI disruption we’ve been discussing more prominent than ever? Hosts Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput dissect Matt Shumer’s viral "Something Big Is Happening" essay and a new sabotage report from Anthropic. We break down the latest departures from OpenAI and xAI, the delay of OpenAI’s device, and how AI is intensifying (not lightening) the modern workload.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:05:51 — AI Pulse Survey

    00:07:58 — Something Big Is Happening

    00:27:06 — Claude Safety Risks

    00:46:37 — Academy Success Score

    01:03:33 — High Profile AI Resignations

    01:06:55 — OpenAI’s Changing Hardware Plans

    01:09:17 — Does AI Actually Intensify Work?

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    This year, we’re going beyond marketing-specific research to uncover how AI is being adopted and utilized across the organization, and we need your help to create the most comprehensive report yet.

    It’s a quick seven-minute lift. In return, you’ll get the full report for free when it drops, plus a chance to win or extend a 12-month SmarterX AI Mastery Membership. Go to smarterx.ai/survey to share your input. That’s smarterx.ai/survey 

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    17 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 21 minutes
    #196: SaaSpocalypse, Claude Super Bowl Ad, SpaceX Acquires xAI & Claude Opus 4.6

    Is the SaaS business model dead? Wall Street just wiped out $300B in software value as fears grow that AI agents will replace human seats. Paul and Mike break down the market drop, Anthropic’s Super Bowl ads targeting OpenAI, and the rise of "Move 37" moments where experts admit AI superiority. Plus: SpaceX buys xAI, Claude Opus 4.6, and the $650B race for compute.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:04:14 — AI Pulse Results

    00:06:24 —SaaS Apocalypse

    00:23:53 — Anthropic Super Bowl Ad

    00:33:56 — The Move 37 Moment for Everyone

    00:47:39 — SpaceX Acquires xAI

    00:50:55 — Claude Opus 4.6

    00:56:00 — GPT-5.3 Codex

    00:59:10 — OpenAI Frontier

    01:04:48 — The AI Capex Wars

    01:11:01 — Latest on AI Impact on Jobs

    01:14:52 — Agentic CRMs

    01:17:41 — AI Product and Funding Updates

    Today’s episode is also brought to you by our AI for Agencies Summit, a virtual event taking place from 12pm - 5pm ET on Thursday, February 12.

    The AI for Agencies Summit is designed for marketing agency practitioners and leaders who are ready to reinvent what’s possible in their business and embrace smarter technologies to accelerate transformation and value creation.

    There is a free registration option, as well as paid ticket options that also give you on-demand access after the event. To register, go to www.aiforagencies.com 

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    10 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 15 minutes
    #195: Moltbook Goes Viral, OpenAI Seeks $100B, Microsoft Stock Plummets & SpaceX-xAI Merger Rumors

    Are AI agent swarms here? 

    Paul and Mike break down the viral "Moltbook" phenomenon, OpenAI’s massive funding talks, and the sobering new essay from Anthropic’s Dario Amodei. Plus: Google’s Project Genie, Microsoft’s stock dip, and the new Marketing Talent AI Impact Report.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:02:38 — AI Pulse Results

    00:05:27 — Moltbot and Moltbook Take the World by Storm

    00:19:06 — OpenAI’s Insatiable Need for Funding

    00:25:56 — Marketing AI Council Report

    00:34:19 — AI for Departments Webinar Series

    00:35:30 — Google Introduces Project Genie

    00:40:49 — Dario Amodei Publishes “The Adolescence of Technology”

    00:47:42 — Microsoft’s Rocky Week

    00:51:47 — More Details Revealed About ChatGPT Ads

    00:55:23 — Rumors of a SpaceX/xAI Merger

    00:59:05 — METR Releases New AI Time Horizon Estimates

    01:03:42 — Google DeepMind Researcher Founds New AI Startup

    01:05:57 — New Anthropic Research on How AI Affects Knowledge Work

    01:09:13 — New Gallup Research on AI Usage in the Workplace

    01:11:50 — AI Product and Funding News

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    The AI for Agencies Summit is designed for marketing agency practitioners and leaders who are ready to reinvent what’s possible in their business and embrace smarter technologies to accelerate transformation and value creation.

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    3 February 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 52 minutes 3 seconds
    #194: Agentic AI Timelines, Generalists vs. Specialists, Resume Tips, AI Learning Ownership, & Handling Model Updates

    Who actually owns AI learning: L&D, HR, or you? 

    Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips break down the talent crisis, the rise of the generalist, and realistic timelines for AI agents. They explain the specific signals that tell you a pilot is failing due to human resistance rather than tech, why it is unlikely we will see a universal "GPT-4 moment" for agents this year, and the critical importance of maintaining human authenticity in an era of AI-generated content.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:06:11 — Question #1: Who owns AI learning: L&D or departments?

    00:09:52 — Question #2: Hiring dedicated AI change management consultants. 

    00:11:54 — Question #3: Middle management’s role in normalizing adoption.

    00:14:27 — Question #4: Signals a pilot is failing due to culture, not tech. 

    00:16:12 — Question #5: Balancing learning pace vs. rapid experimentation. 

    00:20:11 — Question #6: Hiring for critical thinking and AI skills.

    00:23:31 — Question #7: Experience vs. Adaptability in talent acquisition. 

    00:25:35 — Question #8: Protecting and compensating AI leaders.

    00:27:56 — Question #9: Using AI with confidential data restrictions.

    00:30:35 — Question #10: Realistic timelines for AI agent advancement. 

    00:33:21 — Question #11: Managing model selection and "agent chaos."

    00:37:24 — Question #12: The rise of the Generalist vs. Specialist. 

    00:41:14 — Question #13: Proving AI skills beyond certificates. 

    00:44:25 — Question #14: Trust and authenticity in AI content.

    00:48:35 — Question #15: AI SDRs: Vendor questions vs. building in-house. 

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    29 January 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 43 minutes
    #193: AGI Talk at Davos, Amazon Layoffs, AI for Course Creation, OpenAI Cybersecurity Warning, New Claude Constitution & Credit-Based AI Pricing

    World leaders and tech titans are debating AGI timelines at Davos, but Amazon’s latest moves suggest the disruption is already here. Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput dissect the disconnect between the "powerful AI" promised by labs and the labor market "tsunami" warned by the IMF.

    From the White House’s "Great Divergence" report to Anthropic’s new 84-page Constitution and xAI’s "human emulators," we explore the friction between technological acceleration and human adaptation. Plus, a look behind the curtain at how SmarterX uses AI to build courses at scale.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:03 — AI Pulse

    00:05:10 — AGI Comes to Davos

    00:21:26 — Amazon Layoffs and the “Great Divergence”

    00:38:59 — AI for Course Creation

    00:58:55 — Google DeepMind Is Hiring a “Chief AGI Economist”

    01:02:06 — OpenAI Warns AI Is Reaching “High” Cybersecurity Threat Levels

    01:07:18 — Anthropic Publishes New “Constitution” That Governs Claude’s Behavior

    01:17:39 — New Survey Shows Big Disconnect Between Employees and Leaders on AI

    01:24:39 — xAI Wants to Automate White-Collar Workers

    01:28:29 — How Do Credit Pricing Models Work?

    01:38:22 — AI Product and Funding Updates

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    The AI for Agencies Summit is designed for marketing agency practitioners and leaders who are ready to reinvent what’s possible in their business and embrace smarter technologies to accelerate transformation and value creation.

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    27 January 2026, 12:00 pm
  • 49 minutes 41 seconds
    #192: AI Answers - Responsible AI Adoption, Agency Transformation, Rethinking Workflows, Data Privacy, & Leadership in the Age of AI Agents

    No business school prepared leaders for managing humans alongside autonomous AI agents. In this AI Answers episode, Paul Roetzer and Cathy McPhillips break down the immediate strategic shifts required for 2026. They explore where marketing agencies can use AI in a post-billable-hour world, the rise of the AI Output Verification manager, and why LLM’s "alien technology" requires a new approach to risk. Plus: Practical advice on building custom GPTs and knowing when not to automate.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:03:38 — Question #1: AI Leverage for Marketing Agencies

    00:07:44 — Question #2: The "Alien" Nature of LLMs

    00:10:06 —Question #3: Responsible AI Mistakes to Avoid

    00:13:07 — Question #4: Evaluating AI Platforms

    00:16:32 — Question #5: Platform Consolidation

    00:18:32 — Question #6: Building Internal Systems vs. Third-Party Tools

    00:20:09 — Question #7: Data Privacy Concerns

    00:23:09 — Question #8:  Signaling Trust & Authenticity

    00:25:47 — Question #9: Reinventing Workflows & Org Charts

    00:30:50 — Question #10: How to Start Building AI Assistants

    00:33:34 — Question #11: What You Should Never Automate

    00:36:12 — Question #12: Scaling AI Too Fast

    00:38:36 — Question #13: New Leadership Skills

    00:41:42 — Question #14: AI Output Verification

    00:45:29 — Bonus: AI Book Recommendations

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    22 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 24 minutes
    #191: Ads in ChatGPT, Claude Cowork, Elon Musk vs. OpenAI, Personal Intelligence from Gemini & Real-World AI Use Cases

    OpenAI turns to ads, while Anthropic puts an agent on your desktop.

    In Episode 191, Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput analyze the arrival of "Claude Cowork," an autonomous agent that could replace entry-level tasks, and OpenAI’s decision to begin testing ads in ChatGPT.

    We also cover the explosive Elon Musk vs. OpenAI lawsuit, Apple’s choice to use Google Gemini for the next-generation Siri, and OpenAI’s rumored "AirPods killer" hardware.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 — Intro

    00:04:44 — AI Pulse

    00:08:18 — OpenAI Begins Rolling Out Ads in ChatGPT

    00:26:07 — Claude Cowork

    00:37:08 — Elon Musk vs. OpenAI Goes Nuclear

    00:49:49 — Elon Musk Walks Back Grok Undressing Capability After Backlash

    00:53:43 — OpenAI’s Real-World Growth Data

    00:56:43 — Personal Intelligence from Gemini

    01:02:46 — Apple Picks Google for Siri Upgrade

    01:05:31 — OpenAI’s AI Device May Try to Kill AirPods

    01:08:54 — This Week’s AI-Native Chronicles

    01:17:06 — Drama at Thinking Machines Lab

    01:19:15 — Deepfakes Hit a Stunning New Level of Realism

    Today’s episode is also brought to you by our AI for Agencies Summit, a virtual event taking place from 12pm - 5pm ET on Thursday, February 12.

    The AI for Agencies Summit is designed for marketing agency practitioners and leaders who are ready to reinvent what’s possible in their business and embrace smarter technologies to accelerate transformation and value creation.

    There is a free registration option, as well as paid ticket options that also give you on-demand access after the event. To register, go to www.aiforagencies.com 

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    20 January 2026, 12:00 pm
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