Break the system, don’t just tweak it. That’s what sociologist and professor Dana R. Fisher says on this week’s Climate Curious. Tune in with co-host Maryam Pasha to learn about incrementalists: people who think cleaning up a broken system leads to a sanitised version of the status quo – not real systemic change. From how institutions have used and jaded the youth movement for optics, whilst leaving them disconnected after crackdowns on college campus protests, this apocalyptic optimist shares the most likely path forward. Recorded at TED 2026.

Dana’s book is here: Saving Ourselves,

Check out her TED Talk and her new pod Apocalyptic Optimist Podcast!

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“The deal is, we're gonna get the revolution we deserve,” says sociologist, author, and apocalyptic optimist, Dana R. Fisher. Having spent 26 years studying and documenting activism, Climate Curious host Maryam Pasha hears what it takes to forge unstoppable solidarity in the collective climate movement. We look at how turning to big tech’s quick fixes is not the answer, how the youth movement has been sidelined by the political establishment, and why real systemic change is only built from the ground up, grassroots style!

Dana’s book is here: Saving Ourselves,

Check out her TED Talk and her new pod Apocalyptic Optimist Podcast!

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“A glacier is full of one single snowflake holding hands with the next snowflake,” says glaciologist and Nat Geo explorer, Dr. M Jackson. “Billions and trillions of snowflakes become the most powerful force on this planet, shaping the landscapes, lives, and futures of almost every person on this planet.” In conversation with Climate Curious co-host Maryam Pasha, M explains what these moving rivers of ice are, their impact on the world as they shrink and disappear, and why it’s not too late for them to grow back (if we can cut emissions and halt global warming. Recorded live at TED 2026.

Enjoyed this Climate Curious short? Listen to the full episode with Dr. M Jackson on Climate Curious, now: ‘How to feed a starving glacier, with Dr. M Jackson https://tedxlondon.com/podcasts/how-to-feed-a-starving-glacier-with-glaciologist-m-jackson/ 

Learn more about M's work: www.drmjackson.com

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“The solution is right at our fingertips,” says doctor and disease detective Dr. Neil Vora, talking about why ebola and hantavirus are also climate warnings on the Climate Curious podcast. From halting deforestation, to safeguarding animal farms, and cracking down on commercial wildlife trafficking, Neil shares the solutions we already have that could help us halt these devastating diseases.

Read more: https://time.com/article/2026/05/22/the-ebola-and-hantavirus-outbreaks-offer-an-ominous-warning/

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Speculative fiction – the latest tool for imagining what’s possible on climate? Author of ‘Hum’ and winner of the 2026 Climate Fiction Prize, Helen Phillips, joins Climate Curious to share the personal trigger that got her started in writing climate fiction, breaks down the genre of ‘speculative fiction’ and how it can be used to process eco-distress, and why the AI robots at the centre of the book (The Hums) might not be the villains you’d expect… who would have thought it!? Hosted by Climate Curious’ executive producer Josie Colter.

Read Helen Phillips’ book, ‘Hum’: https://www.helencphillips.com/hum 

Want more climate fiction novels? Check out the Climate Fiction Prize Shortlist 2026: https://climatefictionprize.co.uk/shortlist-2026/

'Dusk', By Robbie Arnott

'Endling', By Maria Reva

'The Tiger's Share', By Keshava Guha

'The Book of Records', By Madeleine Thien

'Awake in the Floating City', By Susanna Kwan

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Our glaciers are starving, but there’s a solution! Says glaciologist, National Geographic Explorer and TED Fellow Dr. M Jackson on the Climate Curious podcast. In conversation with Maryam Pasha, M breaks down why our glaciers are currently starving and how they have the remarkable ability to grow back, if we give them the right conditions! From the “isostatic rebound” of the springing Earth, to 40 generations of human breath captured in an ice core, we hear why glaciers will not be lost to history. Recorded live at TED 2026.

Find more about M: www.drmjackson.com

Artwork Photography by Jake Dyson

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“The river heals, the river's free, the salmon are free, and so are the people,” says Yurok Tribe attorney and devoted advocate for Indigenous rights and environmental restoration Amy Bowers Cordalis on the Climate Curious podcast. In conversation with Maryam Pasha, Amy breaks down how exactly she won the right to release the Klamath River and restore salmon populations from the brink of extinction, the importance of her grandmother’s guidance, and how the river remembered its path. Recorded live at TED 2026. 

Learn more about Amy’s work and read her book, ‘The Water Remembers: My Indigenous Family's Fight to Save a River and a Way of Life’: https://amybowerscordalis.com/

Listen to the full episode: https://tedxlondon.com/podcasts/how-historys-biggest-wild-salmon-restoration-project-in-the-klamath-river-happened-with-amy-bowers-cordalis/

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“My colleague looks at me [on my birthday] and is like, do you wanna blow up a dam!?” Native Yurok attorney and Indigenous advocate Amy Bowers Cordalis campaigned with her community for 20 years before getting the go ahead to remove the dams that had blocked the Klamath River and infamously killed 70,000+ salmon in 2002. Amy speaks with Climate Curious co-host Maryam Pasha to share the remarkable story of how she used everything from indigenous wisdom to high-stakes litigation to pull off the largest salmon restoration project in history! Recorded live at TED 2026.

Learn more about Amy’s work and read her book, ‘The Water Remembers: My Indigenous Family's Fight to Save a River and a Way of Life’: https://amybowerscordalis.com/

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Chemistry is the new frontier of conservation, says professor of medicinal chemistry, Tim Cernak, on Climate Curious. Unable to ignore sick sea turtles washed up on the beach, Tim turned to the laboratory to apply medicinal solutions to nature. From fungal frogs to seal pups with avian flu – Tim’s fascination has spawned a new approach to conservation through chemistry, transforming chemists into first-responders for the climate!  

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Eco-anxious – rejoice! This week’s episode is a salve for the eco-shaken, (i.e. all of us!?). Katharine K. Wilkinson returns to share her new framework for navigating eco-anxiety with Climate Curious co-hosts Ben Hurst and Maryam Pasha – and it starts by getting honest about the emotional weight of caring. We dig into why grief, fear, and exhaustion aren't obstacles to climate action, but part of the path itself. Tune in for a delightful dollop of Katharine’s usual genius and generosity as she guides us from ache to action, and doubt to possibility. From footholds to wayfinding – learn why healing the planet starts at home… with healing yourself. 

Get the book ‘Climate Wayfinding’ by Katharine K. Wilkinson: https://www.climatewayfinding.earth/book

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Stingless bees have been around since the dinosaurs, but until recently ignored by mainstream scientific studies From her lab in the heart of the Amazon, scientist Rosa Vásquez Espinoza has been busy proving that these insects are medicinal and agricultural superbugs that require respect – both socially and legally! In conversation with Climate Curious’ Ben Hurst and Maryam Pasha, Rosa breaks down how these ancient pollinators protect 80% of the Amazon’s flora (including your coffee and chocolate!), the historic win to protect these tiny bees’ legal rights, and why her grandmother inspired her to get into chemistry.

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