This week on Shooting the Shit, CeCe Lyra welcomes literary agent and author Alia Hanna Habib to discuss her new book, ‘Take It From Me: An Agent’s Guide to Building a Nonfiction Writing Career from Scratch.’ CeCe and Alia talk about her journey from agent to author, the surprising realities of writing a book, and why you don’t have to draft in order to finish a manuscript. They also unpack the latest publishing news, including a new romance imprint, shifting acquisition trends, and what AI may mean for nonfiction publishing. Plus, they answer listener questions on co-authoring, ghostwriters, and whether having multiple literary agents can impact your publishing career.

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In part one of this week’s episode, Bianca Marais chats with debut author Ruth Newton about the journey from being the very first Books with Hooks guest to publishing her novel, ‘The Carrier’. Ruth shares how a chance glimpse of a truck sparked the book’s high-concept premise, why speculative fiction gave her the freedom to explore complex emotional themes, and how competitions, deadlines, and feedback helped shape her path to publication. They discuss worldbuilding, working through major editorial revisions, balancing concept with character, and the fascinating real-world science behind the novel’s exploration of emotion, trauma, and the gut microbiome. 

In part two of this week’s episode, Jackie McMahon joins Bianca Marais to discuss her debut historical mystery, ‘The Cloak and Dagger Club’. Jackie shares the surprising path that led from a Books with Hooks critique and an unpublished manuscript to a two-book deal with Berkeley, proving that every project can open unexpected doors. The conversation explores the real-life detection club that inspired the novel, the appeal of setting mysteries in the golden age of crime fiction, and the craft behind managing multiple POVs, a large ensemble cast, and a murder mystery packed with twists, romance, and literary history.

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What are publishing trends really, and should writers chase them? In this solo episode, Carly Watters pulls back the curtain on how literary agents think about trends, explaining the difference between market, pop culture, technology, and social trends—and why understanding them matters more than trying to write the next big thing. Carly also answers listener questions about a literary agent's day-to-day, managing submission anxiety, and whether agents scout writers through literary journals. Plus, Carly shares an exclusive lesson from ‘The Author's Publishing Playbook’ on how trends rise, peak, and fade—and why staying in your own creative lane is still the smartest career strategy.

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In this week’s Books with Hooks episode, Carly and CeCe critique two speculative fiction submissions—one a chilling Appalachian horror and the other a YA romantic fantasy. They discuss the importance of giving protagonists compelling reasons for their choices, balancing atmosphere with plot, and ensuring readers understand what’s at stake from the very beginning. The conversation explores how curiosity, motivation, and surprise drive strong openings, while also highlighting the power of distinctive voice, memorable imagery, and emotionally resonant stakes. 

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In this month's bonus episode, bestselling author Jenny Jackson connects with literary agent CeCe Lyra to discuss the challenges of writing a second novel, balancing reader expectations, and finding confidence in the creative process. Jenny and CeCe explore character-driven storytelling, the ethics of drawing from real life, and the themes of friendship, marriage, parenthood, and growing up that shape ‘The Shampoo Effect.’ Plus, Jenny shares insights into crafting memorable characters, revealing backstory, and why sometimes the biggest twists are the ones you can’t talk about.

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Author and NPR producer Haili Blassingame joins Bianca Marais to discuss her debut novel, ‘They All Fall in Love in the End', a bold exploration of love, non-monogamy, identity, and self-discovery. Haili shares how her own experience in an open relationship inspired the story, how a viral essay led to finding an agent, and why learning to revise transformed her from a writer into an author. The conversation dives into crafting complex, “unlikable” yet compelling characters, using fiction as a way to interrogate political and personal realities, and the importance of sensitivity readers when writing beyond your lived experience.

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This week, on Shooting the Shit Carly and CeCe unpack their conversation with best-selling author Andi Bartz and dive deeper into the growing role of AI in publishing. They discuss a listener's candid confession about using AI during the research and drafting process, the fear and uncertainty many writers are feeling, and how transparency and trust factor into agent-author relationships. The conversation also explores new AI-powered reading tools from Google Play Books and Storytel, raising questions about whether technology can ever replace the human connection that makes reading.

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In this Books with Hooks segment, Bianca, CeCe, and Carly critique a memoir query about parenting a child with Down syndrome, emphasizing that while emotionally powerful, it lacks a clear hook, market positioning, and defined narrative arc—and may not yet function as a full memoir. They stress the importance of framing personal experience in a way that’s compelling to readers, with strong stakes, structure, and deeper interiority on the page. In contrast, a medical AI thriller query is praised for its sharp concept and stakes, with notes on refining the central conflict and strengthening the opening. 

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In this special episode of Shooting the Shit, Carly and CeCe are joined by bestselling thriller author and journalist Andrea Bartz for a wide-ranging conversation about publishing, AI, and the current state of the book industry. Andrea shares her perspective on the uncertainty many authors are feeling, from shifting book sales trends to the growing influence of AI, and discusses why storytelling feels more important than ever during turbulent times. The conversation explores author branding, reader trust, book discovery, publishing misconceptions, and the role of publishers behind the scenes. Andrea also weighs in on the ethics of AI in publishing, the challenges of proving authorship in an AI-driven world, and why authors, agents, and publishers need clearer conversations about technology.

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In part one of this week’s double author interview, Carly Watters sits down with debut author Lara Stokes to discuss her novel ‘Midsummer Nights’ — a contemporary, theater-filled spin on William Shakespeare’s ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’. Lara opens up about querying during COVID, the memoir and “drawer novel” that came before her debut, and how writing the book “just for fun” ultimately led to her publishing breakthrough. They also dive into balancing literary and commercial fiction, writing humor and romance, Shakespeare’s lasting influence on modern storytelling, and the realities of building a writing career while juggling day jobs, rejection, and uncertainty.

In part two of this week’s double author interview, Bianca chats with author Camille Perri about writing across genres, crafting distinct multi-POV voices, and why voice can make or break a novel. They dive into the layered editing process, balancing humor with emotional depth, the challenge of writing “complex” female characters, and how setting can become an active part of storytelling. Plus, Camille shares how ‘Social Animals’ evolved from a screenplay into a novel packed with mystery, heart, and dog park drama.

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In this week’s episode of Shooting the Shit, Carly and CeCe chat about the ever-expanding role of literary agents—from event support and career coaching to navigating emerging challenges like AI, fact-checking, and author advocacy. They discuss how agents balance evolving responsibilities while staying focused on their core job: making deals and supporting their clients’ careers. Carly and CeCe also talk about author platform-building before publication, unpacking why writers should focus less on marketing an unwritten book and more on sharing their reading life, interests, and perspective. Plus, they answer listener questions about submission statistics, reading the tea leaves on submission, and what agents really think when a book spends months on editors’ desks.

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