• 50 minutes 31 seconds
    37. Sendhil Mullainathan Thinks Messing Around Is the Best Use of Your Time

    He’s a professor of computation and behavioral science at the University of Chicago, MacArthur “Genius Grant” recipient, and author. Steve and Sendhil laugh their way through a conversation about the importance of play, the benefits of change, and why we remember so little about the books we’ve read — and how Sendhil’s new app solves this problem. This episode originally aired on July 23rd, 2021.


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    29 August 2026, 12:00 am
  • 41 minutes 56 seconds
    36. How Rahm Emanuel Would Run the World

    In this interview, Steve talks with the former top adviser to presidents Clinton and Obama, about his record — and his reputation. And Rahm explains that while he believes in the power of the federal government, as former mayor of Chicago, he says that cities are where problems really get solved. This episode originally aired on March 2, 2020 on Freakonomics Radio, and again on July 16th, 2021st on People I Mostly Admire.


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    22 August 2026, 12:00 am
  • 49 minutes 15 seconds
    35. David Epstein Knows Something About Almost Everything

    He’s been an Arctic scientist, a sports journalist, and is now a best-selling author of science books. His latest, Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World, makes the argument that early specialization does not give you a head start in life. David and Steve talk about why frustration is a good sign, and why the 10,000-hour rule is definitely not a rule. This episode originally aired on July 9th, 2021st.


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    15 August 2026, 12:00 am
  • 44 minutes 58 seconds
    34. Maya Shankar Is Changing People’s Behavior — and Her Own

    She used to run a behavioral unit in the Obama administration, and now has a similar role at Google. Maya and Steve talk about the power (and limits) of behavioral economics and also how people respond to change — the topic of her new podcast A Slight Change of Plans. This episode originally aired on July 2nd, 2021.


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    8 August 2026, 12:00 am
  • 45 minutes 10 seconds
    33. Travis Tygart Is Coming for Cheaters — Just Ask Lance Armstrong

    He’s the C.E.O. of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), which, under his charge, exposed the most celebrated American cyclist as a cheater. And Steve’s been studying cheaters for the last 25 years, so he’s also excited to talk to Travis about the incentives to cheat and the advances in testing technology — and offers his services as an anti-doping data detective for the sport of horse racing. This episode originally aired on June 25th, 2021.


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    1 August 2026, 12:00 am
  • 50 minutes 47 seconds
    32. Angela Duckworth Explains How to Manage Your Goal Hierarchy

    She’s the author of the bestselling book Grit, and a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychology — a field Steve says he knows nothing about. But once Angela gives Steve a quick tutorial on “goal conflict,” he is suddenly a fan. They also talk parenting, self-esteem, and how easy it is to learn econometrics if you feel like it. This episode originally aired June 18, 2021.


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    25 July 2026, 12:00 am
  • 45 minutes 40 seconds
    31. Peter Leeson on Why Trial-by-Fire Wasn’t Barbaric and Why Pirates Were Democratic

    He’s an economist who studies even weirder things than Steve. They discuss whether economics is the best of the social sciences, and why it’s a good idea to get a tattoo of a demand curve on your bicep. This episode originally aired on June 11th, 2021.


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    18 July 2026, 12:00 am
  • 43 minutes 33 seconds
    30. Dambisa Moyo Says Foreign Aid Can’t Solve Problems, but Maybe Corporations Can

    The African-born economist has written four bestselling books, including Dead Aid, which Bill Gates described as “promoting evil.” In her new book about corporate boards, Dambisa uses her experience with global corporations to explore how they can better meet society’s demands. And she explains to Steve why, even as a Harvard and Oxford-educated economist, her goal in life might sound “a little bit like a Miss America pageant.  This episode originally aired on June 4th, 2021.


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    11 July 2026, 12:00 am
  • 45 minutes 9 seconds
    29. Bruce Friedrich Thinks There’s a Better Way to Eat Meat

    Levitt rarely interviews advocates, but the founder of the Good Food Institute is different. Once an outspoken — and sometimes outlandish — animal-rights activist, Bruce has come to believe that market-driven innovation and scientific advancement are the best ways to reduce global meat consumption. Steve and Bruce talk about the negative externalities of factory-farmed meat, and why Bruce gave up antics like streaking at Buckingham Palace. This episode originally aired on May 28th, 2021.


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    4 July 2026, 12:00 am
  • 44 minutes 32 seconds
    28. Professor Carl Hart Argues All Drugs Should Be Legal — Can He Convince Steve?

    As a neuroscientist and psychology professor at Columbia University who studies the immediate and long-term effects of illicit substances, Carl Hart believes that all drugs — including heroin, methamphetamines, and cocaine — should be legalized. Steve talks to Carl about his new book, Drug Use for Grown-Ups, and Carl tells Steve why decriminalizing drugs is as American as apple pie. This episode originally aired on May 21st, 2021.


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    27 June 2026, 12:00 am
  • 44 minutes 3 seconds
    27. Daniel Kahneman on Why Our Judgment is Flawed — and What to Do About It

    Nobel laureate, best-selling author, and groundbreaking psychologist Daniel Kahneman is also a friend and former business partner of Steve’s. In discussing Danny’s new book Noise: A Flaw in Human Judgment, the two spar over inconsistencies in criminal sentencing and Danny tells Steve that “Your attitude is unusual” — no surprise there. This episode originally aired on May 14th, 2021.


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    20 June 2026, 12:00 am
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