“When I left the Christian Fundamentalism of my childhood, I became an activist.”

 Christian Fundamentalism is often looked down upon for its dualistic, black-and-white outlook, which is often used for policing behavior. But, Nadia Bolz-Weber explains, these are the same extreme tendencies that she found in secular activism after she left the church.

 Later in life, after working as a comedian and entering recovery, Nadia began to untangle the mindset that had taken her from one extreme to the other. Her long journey has since led her to becoming a Lutheran pastor and a three-time bestselling author. In this episode, she tells her story.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Shameless” by Nadia Bolz-Weber

 “Pastrix” by Nadia Bolz-Weber

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell

 Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

 Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke

 Suzanne Stabile: Exploring the Enneagram

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This is our unabridged interview with Esau McCaulley.

What is it like growing up Black in the American South?

 The question is too particular to answer with abstraction. Instead, Esau McCaulley answers it in the most personal, humble way available, by telling the story of his family in his new memoir, “How Far to the Promised Land: One Black Family's Story of Hope and Survival in the American South.” 

 In this episode, Esau discusses what he uncovered from a season of digging deeply into family and national history, and describes what the experience taught him about race, faith, and the culture of the South in the United States.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “How Far to the Promised” Land by Esau McCaulley

 Similar NSE episodes:

 The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

 Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks: Dr. Fred Gray

 Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

 Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: Eugene Cho

 White Too Long: Robert Jones

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What is it like growing up Black in the American South?

 The question is too particular to answer with abstraction. Instead, Esau McCaulley answers it in the most personal, humble way available, by telling the story of his family in his new memoir, “How Far to the Promised Land: One Black Family's Story of Hope and Survival in the American South.” 

 In this episode, Esau discusses what he uncovered from a season of digging deeply into family and national history, and describes what the experience taught him about race, faith, and the culture of the South in the United States.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “How Far to the Promised” Land by Esau McCaulley

 Similar NSE episodes:

 The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

 Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks: Dr. Fred Gray

 Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

 Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: Eugene Cho

 White Too Long: Robert Jones

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Tom Paxton.

 In the 1960s, during the folk music revival in a neighborhood of New York City called Greenwich Village, a small cafe called the Gaslight hosted many singer-songwriters who were up-and-coming at the time. You might know some of their names, like Bob Dylan and Dave Van Ronk.

 Among the regulars there was Tom Paxton, who, 60 years and 50 albums later, is still writing and performing folk songs that bear witness to profound societal truths. In this episode, hear from Tom what it was like to perform during those days, what role folk music plays in stirring up the status quo, and thoughts on vulnerability, notoriety, grief, an

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Tom’s Website

 Doc Watson and Dolly Parton - Merlefest 2001

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

 Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

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In the 1960s, during the folk music revival in a neighborhood of New York City called Greenwich Village, a small cafe called the Gaslight hosted many singer-songwriters who were up-and-coming at the time. You might know some of their names, like Bob Dylan and Dave Van Ronk.

 Among the regulars there was Tom Paxton, who, 60 years and 50 albums later, is still writing and performing folk songs that bear witness to profound societal truths. In this episode, hear from Tom what it was like to perform during those days, what role folk music plays in stirring up the status quo, and thoughts on vulnerability, notoriety, grief, an

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Tom’s Website

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

 Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Makoto Fujimura.

 Makoto Fujimura occupies an unusual intersection of personal realities: He is an abstract expressionist artist who discovered his Christian faith as an art student in Japan. He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Art and Faith: A Theology of Making” by Makoto Fujimura (Yale University Press)

 Examples of Mako’s Paintings

 The Four Holy Gospels

 "Silence" by Shūsaku Endō

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

 Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair

 Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe

 Transcript of Abridged Interview

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Today we want to share a new podcast. 

 In a world shaped by division, music has the power to bring people together. The new podcast, “A Breach Repairer’s Song” uncovers the harmonies of repair and reconciliation, sharing stories of those who use music to inspire change and heal broken spaces. Hosted by Yara Allen and Reverend Dr. William J. Barber II, the show explores the transformative power of song, activism, and justice. The next thing you’ll hear is the first episode of the series, The Power of Music in Social Movements. If you like what you hear, search for “A Breach Repairer’s Song” wherever you’re listening to us and follow the show for more episodes.

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Makoto Fujimura occupies an unusual intersection of personal realities: He is an abstract expressionist artist who discovered his Christian faith as an art student in Japan. He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Art and Faith: A Theology of Making” by Makoto Fujimura (Yale University Press)

 Examples of Mako’s Paintings

 The Four Holy Gospels

 "Silence" by Shūsaku Endō

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

 Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair

 Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Oliver Burkeman.

 In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

 "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

 In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman

 "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman

 “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly 

 Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung

 The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer

 The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Interview

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In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

 "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

 In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.

Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman

 "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman

 “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly 

 Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"

 “Man’s Search for Meaning” by Victor Frankl

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung

 The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer

 The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Kelly Corrigan.

“What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”

 Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.

 Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.” In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Tell Me More” by Kelly Corrigan

 “The Middle Place” by Kelly Corrigan

 “Tell Me More” on PBS

 Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

 Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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