Welcome to the new B2B Revenue Vitals podcast, formerly State of Demand Gen. On this podcast, you’ll learn how to build a high-growth company from Refine Labs' CEO, Chris Walker. From proving new revenue programs to identifying and scaling programs that work, to training your team to operate at scale, you will understand what it takes to create a predictable pipeline of revenue innovation that drives compounding gains. Through interviews, AMAs, and invite-only events, we give you a sneak peek into the data-backed insights we are executing for the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world.
🗓️ REGISTER for our April 22 webinar “The Rise and Fall of the MQL” with guest Jon Miller (cofounder of Marketo)
In this live community episode, Carolyn and Amber break down two of the most common RevOps setups that make it nearly impossible for marketing to understand its own performance, and why most teams don’t realize how bad the problem is until leadership starts asking questions nobody can answer.
They get into:
The gap between what marketing is doing and what the data shows is almost always a systems problem, not a performance problem.
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🔗 RESOURCES:
📊 2-Week Marketing KPI Sprint: Passetto's flagship engagement. We connect your MAP and CRM and show you exactly what's driving your pipeline and revenue, and where it's breaking down. [Book Your Sprint]
Revenue Visibility Diagnostic: A free 1:1 workshop for GTM leaders who want to know exactly where their data foundation is failing them. [Schedule Your Spot]
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🎥 JOIN our Weekly Recordings on Wednesday at 1pm ET / 10am PT [RSVP for GTM Live]
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your marketing dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most Marketing teams simply don't have the visibility to understand how they are driving pipeline and revenue and where budget is being wasted.
Passetto changes that, giving marketing leaders the comprehensive data they need to act with confidence.
🗓️ REGISTER for our April 22 webinar “The Rise and Fall of the MQL” with guest Jon Miller (cofounder of Marketo)
In this episode, Carolyn and Amber break down a real-world case study of a SaaS company that came to Passetto with a mature business, an aligned GTM team, and a brand new VP of RevOps, but a data foundation that couldn't tell them what was actually driving their GTM motion or where it was breaking down.
We break down what surfaced during a two-week Sprint: why one-third of 2025 revenue had no traceable source, what the data revealed about paid search ROI and where spend was underperforming, and how foundational data gaps were making it impossible to see marketing's role in active deals.
We break down the insights we helped uncover for their team:
This episode shows how a team that was already winning used a clear diagnostic to get ahead of the measurement gaps before growth slowed down, and left with a roadmap to build the foundation their next stage of growth will actually require.
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🔗 RESOURCES:
📊 2-Week Marketing KPI Sprint: Passetto's flagship engagement. We connect your MAP and CRM and show you exactly what's driving your pipeline and revenue, and where it's breaking down. [Book Your Sprint]
Revenue Visibility Diagnostic: A free 1:1 workshop for GTM leaders who want to know exactly where their data foundation is failing them. [Schedule Your Spot]
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🎥 NEW on YouTube: Attribution for SaaS Marketing: What Actually Works (And What Doesn't)
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your marketing dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most Marketing teams simply don't have the visibility to understand how they are driving pipeline and revenue and where budget is being wasted.
Passetto changes that, giving marketing leaders the comprehensive data they need to act with confidence.
Many marketing leaders struggle with being measured against revenue. That’s because the status quo measurement model doesn't capture everything they do, which means their true impact is almost always under-reported.
This workshop is about how to fix that, and how to properly and comprehensively measure marketing's impact on pipeline and revenue, with data that let you walk into a boardroom with answers instead of anecdotes.
What we cover:
🔗 RESOURCES:
Want all the metrics Carolyn covers applied to your own data? Passetto's 14-Day Marketing KPI Sprint connects your MAP and CRM to show you exactly what's driving, and hurting, your pipeline.
🎥 The 9 GTM Metrics Every B2B SaaS Company Should Track
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your marketing dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most Marketing teams simply don't have the visibility to understand how they are driving pipeline and revenue and where budget is being wasted.
Passetto changes that, giving marketing leaders the comprehensive data they need to act with confidence.
Jon Miller co-founded Marketo, the company that helped turn MQLs, lead scoring, and the demand waterfall into the operating system of B2B marketing. Now he's the one telling you to throw most of it out.
When Jon did the same playbook at Demandbase that worked brilliantly at Marketo, it flopped. That failure changed how he thinks about almost everything.
In this conversation, Carolyn sits down with Jon, co-founder of Marketo and Engagio (which merged with Demandbase), to dig into why the traditional B2B marketing playbook stopped working, what brand actually does for demand gen that most teams never account for, and what a modern measurement framework should look like in 2026.
What we cover:
This episode is an absolute MUST listen for any marketing leader or revenue operator who knows something is broken but keeps hitting a wall trying to fix it.
🔗 RESOURCES:
🎥 The GTM Factory Framework Explained
🎥 9 Metrics Every B2B SaaS GTM Team Needs to Track
Passetto's April sprint cohort is almost full. 2 weeks. A complete marketing and pipeline audit. Real GTM clarity before Q2 hits. [Work With Us]
Book a [FREE] 1:1 Revenue Visibility Assessment to find out why you can't answer the pipeline questions that matter most. [Schedule Your Session]
Follow Carolyn on LinkedIn
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
This one's a little different. No guest, no agenda. Just Carolyn and Passetto co-founder Amber, recording live from Pompano Beach after four days at the Above the Fold conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
They unpacked everything they took away from the event: the conversations that stuck, the moments that shifted how they think about Passetto, and the stuff that made them want to flip a table.
What we cover:
Raw, unfiltered, and recorded before Carolyn had to catch her flight.
🔗 RESOURCES:
🎥 Want to see how we approach GTM measurement? Watch our GTM Factory Framework on YouTube.
Spots are open for Passetto's April sprint cohort. It's a 2-week marketing and pipeline audit designed to give GTM teams real clarity before Q2 [Work With Us]
Book a [FREE] 1:1 Revenue Visibility Assessment to find out why you can't answer the pipeline questions that matter most. [Schedule Your Session]
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
In this episode of GTM Live, Carolyn sits down with Matthew Sciannella, VP of Innovation at Refine Labs, for a candid conversation about the flaws of B2B marketing measurement and why so many teams keep fighting the same losing battles.
They dig into why attribution has made a generation of marketing leaders worse at their jobs, what great demand generation actually requires (hint: it starts way upstream with product marketing), and why slapping AI onto a broken system just makes the noise louder.
Episode highlights:
If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, this episode is a good gut check on where to look first.
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
🎟️ Join our Live Workshop on Feb 11: The KPIs every marketing team needs to measure to understand their real influence on pipeline.
Save your seat here. Replay included.
In this episode of GTM Live, Amber sits down with Matt Green, Co-Founder and CRO of Sales Assembly, to talk about what’s actually working in GTM right now, and why so many teams are stuck debating the wrong things.
They start with the real root cause of credit wars: marketing and sales are fighting because they’re measured on competing scorecards. Matt makes the case for a simpler model around shared revenue accountability, and why the attribution debate gets a lot quieter when the business is closing deals.
Episode highlights:
If you’re trying to use content to drive more engagement, more conversations, and more pipeline, this episode is packed with practical ways to do it.
🔗 RESOURCES:
Book a [FREE] 1:1 Revenue Visibility Assessment to learn where your key data gaps are. [Schedule Your Session]
We’re opening our Q2 cohort for the 14-Day Revenue Visibility Diagnostic, designed to help GTM teams understand what’s actually driving pipeline, where measurement breaks down & what to fix going into Q2. [Book a call to see if you’re a fit]
Check out the amazing stuff Sales Assembly is doing
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline & revenue dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
You asked, we're answering. In this listener Q&A episode, Amber and Carolyn tackle the hard questions GTM leaders are wrestling with behind closed doors…from broken attribution models to navigating organizational resistance when you're trying to drive real change.
In this episode:
This isn't surface-level advice. Amber and Carolyn are in the trenches daily with CROs, CMOs and RevOps leaders, rearchitecting go-to-market strategies and challenging sacred cows. We’re bringing real examples to this convo, honest reflections about entrepreneurship, and zero sugarcoating about what separates companies that evolve from those that don't.
Keep sending your questions. We want to hear your hot takes, especially if you disagree with what we’re saying.
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
Passetto changes that. In just 14 days, our Sprint gives you full-funnel visibility, clear answers about what's working and what isn't, and a focused set of strategic priorities to accelerate pipeline creation and align your teams immediately.
Most marketing and revenue leaders know their data model is flawed. The elite ones actually architect something new. This is how.
This episode is part of a 5-part series exploring the journey B2B revenue leaders take from reactive chaos to finally understanding, measuring, and transforming their entire Revenue Factory. Each stage represents a critical inflection point and the exact moments that separate leaders who consistently hit targets and drive real, provable results.
This episode explores Stage 4: Architecting Transformation—where you shift from recognizing what's broken to designing what comes next. This is where transformation moves from concept to practice.
What We Cover in This Episode:
This is the episode for every revenue, marketing, or GTM leader who has ever thought:
"I know what needs to change, but I don't know where to start"
"How do I get leadership to invest in this transformation?"
"What does the new model actually need to look like?"
Stage 4 is where you become the architect of your own transformation. This is where you stop talking about change and start building it.
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren't giving you straight answers, you're in good company. Most GTM teams simply don't have the visibility to understand what's truly driving pipeline and revenue, what's slowing them down, or where to focus next.
Passetto changes that. In just 14 days, our Sprint gives you full-funnel visibility, clear answers about what's working and what isn't, and a focused set of strategic priorities to accelerate pipeline creation and align your teams immediately.
In this episode, Carolyn and Amber break down a real-world case study of a $25M ARR enterprise SaaS company in a highly regulated industry that came to Passetto with strong teams, active demand, and declining win rates...but no reliable way to explain the genetic makeup of their deals or prove how marketing influenced revenue.
We break down what surfaced during a 14-day analysis: why most opportunities had no clear lineage, how underperforming channels like paid search were absorbing spend without driving meaningful conversion, and how marketing influence effectively disappeared once deals entered the sales cycle.
Most importantly, we share how rebuilding visibility across the funnel can turn win rate into a controllable lever, and why we estimate this shift alone could unlock ~$1M in incremental revenue, without increasing pipeline volume, budget, or headcount.
We break down the insights their team uncovered:
This episode shows how a clear view into what actually drives revenue became a forcing function for action, giving this team’s leadership the confidence to move fast, fix foundational gaps, and use the findings as a business case for planning the first two quarters of 2026.
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren’t giving you straight answers, you’re in good company. Most GTM teams simply don’t have the visibility to understand what’s truly driving pipeline and revenue, what’s slowing them down, or where to focus next.
Passetto changes that. In just 14 days, our Sprint gives you full-funnel visibility, clear answers about what’s working and what isn’t, and a focused set of strategic priorities to accelerate pipeline creation and align your teams immediately.
When you’re working harder than ever and still getting questioned, most leaders assume they’re the problem.
But what if the real reason you're exhausted isn’t lack of effort...it's that you’re trying to win inside a model that was never designed to show your impact?
This episode is part of a 5-part series exploring the journey B2B revenue leaders take from reactive chaos to finally understanding, measuring, and transforming their entire Revenue Factory. Each stage represents a critical inflection point and the exact moments that separate leaders who consistently hit targets and drive real, provable results… from those who spend every quarter scrambling, duct-taping reports, and wondering why nothing is working.
This episode explores Stage 3: The Breaking Point, AKA the most emotionally charged and career-defining moment in the entire transformation journey.
What We Cover in This Episode:
This is the episode for every revenue, marketing, or GTM leader who has ever thought:
I’m exhausted from constantly defending myself.”
“I KNOW we’re making an impact, so why can’t I prove it?”
“What if the problem isn’t me… but the entire system?”
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This episode is powered by Passetto. If your pipeline dashboards aren’t giving you straight answers, you’re in good company. Most GTM teams simply don’t have the visibility to understand what’s truly driving pipeline and revenue, what’s slowing them down, or where to focus next.