- 49 minutes 19 secondsHow Kevin Vanhoozer Bridges Biblical Studies and Theology
Back in 2024 Kevin Vanhoozer’s book Mere Christian Hermeneutics: Transfiguring What It Means to Read the Bible Theologically won the Christianity Today book award in the academic theology category and also won The Gospel Coalition book award in biblical studies. I couldn’t even begin to account for all the other awards he’s won for earlier works.
I had the blessing of studying under Dr. Vanhoozer at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. And I was challenged in this book just as I was challenged and encouraged in his courses. Mere Christian Hermeneutics helps all of us who live on the far side of the “demise of biblical civilization.” When Westerners want to tell the story of the world, we no longer open the Bible. Vanhoozer aims to reconnect us with Scripture as our means of enjoying “covenant fellowship with the triune God.” I loved this summary in the book: “How an unholy people can come into the presence of a holy God is the chief complication in the biblical narrative to which the gospel is the solution.”
So let’s get into mere Christian hermeneutics, reading the Bible spiritually, the Transfiguration, and much more.
In This Episode:
00:00 – The transfiguration of Jesus and the way Christians read Scripture
00:39 – Introducing Mere Christian Hermeneutics
01:58 – What makes this approach to hermeneutics “mere”?
03:26 – How different reading cultures divide Christians
05:01 – Polarization among Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians
06:52 – The loss of Christianity’s cultural influence in the West
07:46 – Does Catholic authority solve Protestant interpretive pluralism?
10:43 – What does it mean to interpret the Bible spiritually?
13:23 – How the transfiguration guides Christian interpretation
16:08 – Why Christians should not separate Jesus from the Bible
18:24 – Johannes Oecolampadius and Scripture’s Christ-centered scope
21:57 – Bridging the divide between biblical scholars and theologians
25:05 – Kant, critical thinking, and the rise of biblical criticism
27:34 – The hidden assumptions modern readers bring to Scripture
30:14 – Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and teaching systematic theology
32:37 – Cultural hermeneutics and the formative power of culture
36:24 – The current state of theological interpretation of Scripture
39:29 – Potential dangers in theological retrieval
41:40 – Protestant catholicity and unity amid secondary disagreements
42:02 – Vanhoozer’s work with the Alexandrian Institute
44:35 – His four-volume systematic theology project
46:19 – Brahms, young theologians, and reasons for hope
47:13 – What pastors can learn from Henry James
48:54 – OutroResources Mentioned:
- Mere Christian Hermeneutics by Kevin Vanhoozer
- Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis
- Meditation in a Toolshed by C. S. Lewis
- The Bible Made Impossible by Christian Smith
- The Death of Scripture and the Rise of Biblical Studies by Michael C. Legaspi
- The Portrait of a Lady by Henry James
- The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics
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11 August 2026, 4:00 am - 1 hour 1 minuteJen Wilkin Wants to Help You Age Wisely
Only a couple years out of college, I told my coworkers that I looked forward to being old. They weren’t just dismissive of that comment. They were indignant. On one level, I know why. I understood little to nothing at age 23 about the hardships of aging and caring for the dying. I hadn’t yet suffered many of life’s inevitable pains.
At the same time, I looked forward to greater wisdom, maybe even defeat of some sins and temptations. I was excited about all I could learn if the Lord granted me years. Maybe I even had a couple Bible verses in my head, like Proverbs 16:31: “Gray hair is a crown of
glory; it is gained in a righteous life.” Or Job 12:12: “Wisdom is with the aged, and understanding in length of days.”
Both those verses are cited by Jen Wilkin in her excellent new book, Dust to Dust: Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World, published by Crossway. If you take my youthful naiveté at its best, I was recognizing what Jen distinguishes in her book: the world says to age is to diminish. But the Bible says to age is to deepen. Now in middle age, however, I experience the good and bad: the invisibility because no one would possibly notice my appearance. But also the freedom: because I have that middle-age dad’s superpower of not caring what other people think of my appearance.
I didn’t realize how much I needed Jen’s book, and I’m eager to ask a whole bunch of questions now on Gospelbound.
In This Episode:
00:00:00 – Jen Wilkin reflects on her mother’s death and the symmetry of life
00:00:49 – Why Collin has long looked forward to old age
00:01:20 – Introducing Dust to Dust and the contrast between cultural decline and biblical deepening
00:02:31 – Why modern culture values youth over old age
00:03:55 – Jen’s first moments of realizing she was aging
00:05:46 – How aging feels different for men and women
00:07:49 – Why many people fear becoming a burden
00:10:08 – Assisted suicide, dependency, and surprising cultural opposition
00:14:47 – The “chiasm of life” and how beginning and end mirror each other
00:21:02 – Why midlife offers a unique vantage point for perspective and wisdom
00:24:50 – Caring simultaneously for children and aging parents
00:29:12 – Why caregiving is not a season but a default setting of life
00:32:10 – How modern longevity has changed the experience of family and aging
00:36:25 – “You will not surely die”: the anti-gospel of age denial
00:37:52 – How suffering narrows our priorities
00:40:34 – Honoring parents and the fuller meaning of the fifth commandment
00:45:44 – Retirement, crystallized knowledge, and later-life vocation
00:50:46 – A theology of aging before a debate about anti-aging practices
00:55:33 – Jen’s regrets, sanctification, and learning to honor parents well
01:00:26 – Final reflections on aging, family, and hope
01:01:07 – OutroResources Mentioned:
- Dust to Dust by Jen Wilkin
- From Strength to Strength by Arthur Brooks
- The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis
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28 July 2026, 4:00 am - 1 hour 1 secondHow AI Plays a Gospel Imitation Game (with Christopher Watkin)
You might think AI is the most exciting technological development of all time, and you’ve been vibe coding before the rest of us had ever heard the term.
Or maybe you think AI is the most dangerous technological development of all time, and you’re desperately hoping someone will step up to stop autonomous weapons and programs powerful enough to thwart any existing security system.
Or maybe you’re somewhere in the middle. Maybe you still don’t know what all the fuss is about.
No matter where you are, I know I can recommend a new single-season TGC podcast called Silicon Spiritualities, hosted by Christopher Watkin, a fellow at The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. My friend Chris also contributed two chapters to the forthcoming book I edited with Skyler Flowers, titled The AI Apocalypse: A Survival Guide for Humanity. I love hearing Chris teach on just about anything. But his reflections on AI have been especially insightful for me, and I’m eager to welcome him back to Gospelbound to discuss these two new projects.
In This Episode:
00:00 – The hidden human cost of AI training
00:36 – Introducing Christopher Watkin, Silicon Spiritualities, and The AI Apocalypse
01:48 – The gospel story Silicon Valley tells about AI
06:01 – Investor hype, idolatry, and AI religions
08:09 – Data workers, exploitation, water use, and the wider AI industry
12:03 – Avoiding both AI doom and AI hype
14:26 – Is AI more like the internet, electricity, or agriculture?
17:20 – Why Christian anthropology is not threatened by AI intelligence
21:01 – Why a frictionless life can become passive rather than free
25:30 – Using AI with integrity in writing and creative work
27:16 – Watkin’s practical uses of AI at home and in his work
29:34 – AI companionship and the desire to be known and loved
34:10 – Mutuality, reciprocity, and what AI cannot share with us
39:19 – Consciousness, imitation, and participation
41:51 – Transhumanism and the temptation to outgrow humanity
45:22 – Why studying AI has made Watkin more excited about God
48:29 – AI, existential risk, and the problem of the human heart
54:31 – Alignment, sycophancy, Her, and the imitation game
59:37 – Closing remarksResources Mentioned:
- Silicon Spiritualities | TGC podcast hosted by Christopher Watkin
- Deep Work by Cal Newport
- “Computing Machinery and Intelligence” / “The Imitation Game” by Alan Turing
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21 July 2026, 4:00 am - 50 minutes 2 secondsAndrew Wilson Wants to Help You Pursue Happiness
Andrew Wilson is one of the happiest guys I know. So it only makes sense that he would write a book called Happiness: What It Is, Where to Find It, and How to Make It Last Forever, published by Crossway. He’s the expert. I’m delighted when I see Andrew at a TGC conference, or a retreat for The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. I look forward to every chance to spend time with him. He writes in this book, “Nothing is more honoring to a friend, a child, or a spouse than saying they make you happy. Nothing is more demeaning to them than telling them they don’t.” I can say, with no reservation, Andrew makes me happy when we’re together.
Ok. But where does that leave the rest of us? If we’re not naturally happy? If we’re not feeling happy right now? If we’re not hanging out with Andrew? The Declaration of Independence, 250 years ago, put happiness at the center of life’s aim: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Andrew covered that statement in his excellent earlier book, Remaking the World: How 1776 Created the Post-Christian West. Given the anniversary, I plan in this interview to sneak in a question or two about that fateful year. And we’ll discuss much more, including the difference between joy and happiness, whether God promises happiness, and why millennials grew up to be sad.
In This Episode:
00:00 – What makes us genuinely happier
00:40 – Why Andrew Wilson wrote a book about happiness
04:29 – Happiness, sorrow, and biblical examples of deep joy
07:26 – Is joy different from happiness?
11:53 – Does God promise happiness to Christians?
13:35 – Why millennials became less happy as adults
19:41 – Freedom, responsibility, and the limits of liberation
23:21 – The “problem of superfluous happiness”
26:01 – How pursuing happiness helps us fight sin
29:23 – Why virtue, gratitude, and humility make us happier
32:53 – Compassion versus empathy
34:15 – Turning delights into disciplines
37:06 – Remaking the World and America’s 250th anniversary
39:48 – What makes the United States unique?
47:08 – Discovery, defense, temperament, and optimism
48:55 – Closing and book recommendationsResources Mentioned:
- Happiness by Andrew Wilson
- Remaking the World by Andrew Wilson
- Generations by Jean M. Twenge
- The Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan Haidt
- The Expulsive Power of a New Affection by Thomas Chalmers
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30 June 2026, 4:00 am - 1 hour 5 minutesNew Resources Help You See God by Connecting Scripture (with Ben Gladd)
Different preachers get excited about different aspects of the sermon. Some collect and deploy excellent illustrations. Others just nail the application week after week. Others can really reach your heart.
What really fires me up are the connections between the Old and New Testaments, the way God’s plan of redemption unfolds in familiar and new ways from Genesis to Revelation. So you know I’d be excited about an excellent new resource, the CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament, edited by G. K. Beale and Benjamin Gladd. This study Bible includes a robust cross reference system that will help you see Old Testament quotations, allusions, and parallels within the New Testament so you can see all 66 books as a unified story from God. You’ll also find book introductions, study note commentary, articles, charts, and infographics.
In This Episode:
00:00:00 – Why continuity between Old and New Testament wording matters
00:00:41 – Introducing the CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament
00:01:53 – Ben Gladd and the mission of the Carson Center
00:04:06 – Why another study Bible?
00:07:06 – Green and blue fonts: changing the reading experience
00:08:24 – Quotations, allusions, and the “connective tissue” of Scripture
00:11:06 – Why Old Testament allusions matter for Bible study
00:12:46 – John 6, grumbling, and Israel in the wilderness
00:13:46 – Mark 1, John the Baptist, and the burning bush
00:15:41 – “Fishers of men” and Jeremiah 16
00:18:55 – Reading Revelation through Old Testament “emojis”
00:22:07 – John 1:1, Genesis 1:1, and Christology
00:27:47 – How the apostles read the Old Testament
00:31:19 – Guardrails for identifying legitimate allusions
00:35:36 – Do English translations obscure biblical connections?
00:42:27 – How pastors can use the study Bible in sermon preparation
00:44:19 – Why pastors should use the Old Testament for illustrations
00:48:31 – The Carson Center’s Concise Bible Commentary
00:53:44 – Learning from Don Carson and G. K. Beale
01:00:11 – Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament
01:00:44 – Biblical Theology Briefing podcast
01:02:34 – A future Connecting Scripture Old Testament
01:05:19 – ClosingResources Mentioned:
- CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament edited by G. K. Beale and Benjamin L. Gladd
- Keep Watch for Biblical Allusions by Ben Gladd
- ESV Study Bible
- CSB Study Bible
- NIV Study Bible
- Concise Bible Commentary from the Carson Center and Crossway
- Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament edited by G. K. Beale, D. A. Carson, Benjamin L. Gladd, and Andrew David Naselli
- New Studies in Biblical Theology series
- Pillar New Testament Commentary series
- Biblical Theology Briefing Podcast with Ben Gladd and Matthew Harmon
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16 June 2026, 4:00 am - 50 minutes 2 secondsC. S. Lewis, the New Atheists, and the Failure to Disprove God with Alister McGrath
Alister McGrath remembers life as an atheist back in the late 1960s. He believed only what could be proven to be true. And he judged religious believers for trusting in an irrational fantasy.
Looking back, though, he can see an emotional basis for what he thought were purely rational conclusions. He didn’t want God to exist, because God would threaten his freedom. As an atheist he could do whatever he wanted. He could be the center of the universe.
Now as a Christian and one of the most well-known apologists in the world, McGrath sees how much desire determines what we believe about the universe. He says, “The human desire for unaccountability leads to the metaphysical conclusion that there should not be a God.”
Last summer McGrath and I caught up when he was the keynote speaker at a Beeson Divinity School conference on Persuasive Preaching. I was invited to engage and respond to his presentation. Alister is a theologian and Christian apologist with a particular interest in the relation of science and faith. In fact he recently retired as a professor of science and religion at Oxford University.
I know him as a godly encourager and kind interlocutor. I’ve learned a lot from him on various subjects, especially C. S. Lewis. In fact, I was listening to him at Lanier Library in Houston when he inspired me to begin work on a book about Lewis and Winston Churchill. So I’m excited to talk with him again about atheism and apologetics and a heavy dose of Lewis.
In This Episode:
00:00 – Why belief cannot always be proven
00:37 – Collin introduces Alister McGrath, atheism, desire, and C. S. Lewis
02:19 – McGrath’s move from atheism to Christianity in 1971
03:58 – Conversion as a process rather than an instant transformation
05:07 – C. S. Lewis’s “Is Theology Poetry?” and Christianity as a big picture of reality
06:30 – Christianity as aligning with the deep truths of the universe
08:01 – The New Atheists and the power of rhetorical certainty
11:06 – Why the New Atheist movement faded
13:26 – How apologetics has changed over the decades
16:29 – Tim Keller’s apologetic influence
20:25 – Integrating apologetics into preaching
23:22 – Faith versus fact—or faith versus faith?
24:28 – Enlightenment assumptions and the limits of proof
26:33 – Morality, Christianity, and secularized Christian values
28:31 – Truth, meaning, and transformative belief
30:07 – “Bleakness is not an indicator of truth”
31:53 – C. S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, and wartime apologetics
35:03 – Lewis, The Problem of Pain, and the BBC broadcasts
36:52 – Lewis’s faith, academic career, and public apologetics
39:53 – The Weight of Glory and spiritual flourishing in wartime
42:39 – Lewis on marriage, forgiveness, and the Holocaust context
45:29 – The Guardian, archives, and The Screwtape Letters
48:44 – McGrath’s storytelling apologetics and closing reflections
49:38 – Gospelbound outroResources Mentioned:
- Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis
- The Problem of Pain by C. S. Lewis
- The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis
- The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis
- The Weight of Glory by C. S. Lewis
- The Air We Breathe by Glen Scrivener
- Dominion by Tom Holland
- The Dawkins Delusion? by Alister McGrath
- Making Sense of Us by TGC and The Keller Center
- The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics
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2 June 2026, 4:00 am - 1 hour 1 secondHow to Save Western Civilization with Allen Guelzo
Is there a fate worse than condemnation?
Yes, say Allen Guelzo and James Hankins in their new textbook, The Golden Thread: A History of the Western Tradition: Volume II: The Modern and Contemporary West. Worse than everyone hating you is no one remembering you.
Right now for Western civilization, the former is leading to the latter. Having been widely condemned as oppressive, imperialist, colonizing, and appropriating, Western civilization is sometimes not even taught, let alone celebrated for producing the moral, technological, political, economic, and lifestyle achievements that give shape to our world. The Golden Thread helps in remembering and teaching without ignoring the failures and shortcomings of Western civilization.
The textbook collaborators Guelzo and Hankins have been acquainted for more than 50 years. Hankins wrote volume one, and Guelzo has written volume two. Guelzo is the Thomas W. Smith Distinguished Research Scholar and director of the James Madison Program’s Initiative on Politics and Statesmanship at Princeton University. Guelzo is a long-time favorite writer of mine, not least for his work on the American Civil War and Abraham Lincoln, for which he last appeared on Gospelbound in 2024. I’m honored to host him again as we commemorate the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States, one of the hinge points in Western civilization in that memorable year of 1776.
In This Episode:
00:00 – Why Western civilization slips away when taken for granted
00:25 – Introducing Allen Guelzo and The Golden Thread
02:24 – How should we define Western civilization?
08:02 – The fall of communism and the West’s crisis of confidence
11:23 – China, radical Islam, Russia, and civilizational conflict
12:47 – Self-criticism as the West’s strength and danger
15:38 – World wars, Darwin, Freud, communism, and lost confidence
19:49 – The atomic age and the misuse of scientific achievement
22:09 – Defending the West without triumphalism
25:38 – Winston Churchill, trauma, and Christian civilization
30:15 – Adenauer, de Gaulle, and rebuilding Europe after 1945
32:38 – Strange defeat, German memory, and Russia’s missed moment
38:37 – C. S. Lewis, John Paul II, and Christianity in a skeptical age
39:28 – Contingency, crisis, and the decisions that shape history
42:24 – Christianity, Greece, Rome, and the “layer cake” of the West
51:33 – Technology, memory, and the future of civilization
53:39 – Lincoln, King, Augustine, and recovering the tradition
58:17 – Could artificial intelligence revive classical education?
59:37 – Closing encouragementResources Mentioned:
- The Golden Thread Volume I by Allen C. Guelzo & James Hankins
- The Golden Thread Volume II by Allen C. Guelzo & James Hankins
- The Golden Thread Substack
- The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas
- The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama
- The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order by Samuel P. Huntington
- Strange Defeat by Marc Bloch
- Secondhand Time by Svetlana Alexievich
- The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis
- God in the Dock by C. S. Lewis
- Dominion by Tom Holland
- Lord of the Flies by William Golding
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19 May 2026, 4:00 am - 57 minutes 5 secondsWhy Therapy Can’t Replace the Church
You will find many books on the biblical and practical importance of the local church. I wrote one myself a few years ago with Jonathan Leeman called Rediscover Church: Why the Body of Christ Is Essential. But few books can match the way Brad Edwards shows us the need for the church amid rampant anxiety, division, and individualism. Not only our churches but even whole societies would be transformed by implementing the wisdom found in this book, called The Reason for Church.
Brad is the church planter of The Table Church in Lafayette, Colorado. His debut book has been justly acclaimed. He won the 2025 Christianity Today Book of the Year Award and also finished first in the Church and Pastoral Leadership category. He was the winner of The Gospel Coalition's award for First-Time Author that year as well. I’m grateful that he joins me now to talk about everything from authority and institutions to anxiety and whether unity should be the goal for a church.
In This Episode:
00:00 – Opening: power, trust, and the temptation toward conformity
00:26 – Introducing Brad Edwards and The Reason for Church
01:41 – Ranking the causes behind declining trust in church authority
04:05 – Accountability, social media, and the limits of online justice
08:25 – Churches, institutions, platforms, and marketplace logic
11:17 – What changes people’s minds about the need for church?
13:27 – Church planting in Boulder County and Colorado’s anti-institutional culture
17:01 – Therapy culture, spiritual abuse, and what the book could not fully address
22:19 – Institution building, movements, and building a remnant
26:30 – Technology, schedules, and the challenge of spiritual formation
29:09 – Individuality versus individualism
34:39 – Should unity be the goal of a church?
37:49 – What surprised Brad most about becoming a pastor
39:21 – AI, agency, and the future of formation
43:07 – Hartmut Rosa, resonance, gambling, and the desire for control
46:55 – AI, education, responsibility, and authorship
52:05 – The church as remnant and refuge in a changing world
53:19 – What pastors want their congregations to know
56:41 – Closing and Gospelbound outroResources Mentioned:
- The Reason for Church by Brad Edwards
- Rediscover Church by Collin Hansen and Jonathan Leeman
- Bowling Alone by Robert D. Putnam
- Yuval Levin’s work on institutions
- Bully Pulpit by Michael J. Kruger
- GIRLS® by Freya India
- The Reason for God by Tim Keller
- Center Church by Tim Keller
- Dominion by Tom Holland
- Habits of the Heart by Robert Bellah
- The Uncontrollability of the World by Hartmut Rosa
- PostEverything, Brad Edwards’s podcast with John Homsher
- Harper’s Magazine article on young AI founders
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5 May 2026, 4:00 am - 42 minutes 26 secondsOn Losing Tim and Why Kathy Keller Published a Book of His Sermons on Sin
Tim Keller preached a series of sermons in the 1990s called “The Faces of Sin.” It did not go over well in New York. Angered by the liturgical confession of sin, one woman waited until after the sermon and yelled at Tim, “Neither I nor any of my children will ever confess to being sinners!”
Naturally, Tim’s wife, Kathy, decided these would make good sermons to turn into a book! That’s what we have in the new book What Is Wrong with the World? The Surprising, Hopeful Answer to the Question We Cannot Avoid, published by Zondervan.
One quote I think captures the book’s argument: “When we realize we are not a victim of our circumstances but a sinner who can call on someone much greater than ourselves to care for us, we can begin to truly live.”
That’s the surprisingly hopeful message of the gospel: our sin is the problem with the world. But all of us can be saved by grace when we confess that sin, repent of that sin, and trust in Christ. Easy enough, right? Remember that woman in New York. It’s no small thing to confess your sin. And ALL of us must confess our sin. Here’s what Tim wrote: “No other religion says that the lowest person in the gutter and the most moral, upstanding citizen in the world are equally lost, equally need to be saved by grace, and can only be saved by grace alone.”
What an honor to be joined again on Gospelbound by Kathy Keller about sin, grace, and the gospel.
In This Episode:
00:00 – Cold open: “the sin beneath the sin”
00:39 – Introducing Tim Keller’s Faces of Sin sermons and the new book
02:25 – Idolatry, grief, and losing what feels like “everything”
04:15 – Blind spots, community, and uncovering hidden sins
07:14 – “What’s wrong with the world?” starting with ourselves
08:13 – G. K. Chesterton and the sins of omission
11:31 – The gospel is bitter at first bite and sweet within
15:55 – Missing Tim and resting in God’s grace
16:48 – “Nathans,” correction, and giving one another “hunting licenses”
18:30 – Parenting regrets and learning consequences the hard way
22:22 – Why the gospel gives hope in the face of failure
22:52 – How Tim Keller is misunderstood today
30:43 – The Hopewell years and learning mercy ministry
34:55 – Kathy’s favorite Tim Keller book: Jonah / The Prodigal Prophet
37:57 – The books Tim Keller hoped to write
40:25 – “Identity received or achieved” and unfinished work
41:35 – Closing reflections
42:02 – OutroResources Mentioned:
- What Is Wrong with the World? by Tim Keller
- The Faces of Sin (Sermon Series) by Tim Keller
- The Prodigal Prophet by Tim Keller
- Ministries of Mercy by Tim Keller
- The Mortification of Sin by John Owen
- Making Sense of Us by TGC and The Keller Center
- The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics
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21 April 2026, 4:00 am - 56 minutes 17 secondsWhat Keeps Carl Trueman Awake at Night
Western culture today largely lacks a sense of consecration, of setting apart the ordinary as holy. Yet somehow we still have a strong impulse toward desecration, of turning the holy into the ordinary. Why have we lost the taste of the good while developing a taste for the bad?
That’s a core question at the heart of Carl Trueman’s new book, The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity, published by Penguin Random House’s Sentinel imprint. Carl is a professor of biblical and theological studies at Grove City College and a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He was a guest on Gospelbound in 2020 for his highly acclaimed, bestselling book The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self.
In his new book Trueman writes, “Transgression of the sacred is exhilarating precisely because it makes us feel like gods, the creators of our own meanings and our own selves. All we need to do is cross lines previously enforced by the idea of God and we thereby assume the role of being gods.” Desecration is how we communicate authenticity, perhaps the most important value for the modern self.
This entire project has backfired. Let’s hear from Carl about why.
In This Episode:
00:00 – Carl Trueman on desecration and the modern crisis of humanity
02:30 – Why write another book after The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self?
04:22 – Why the sexual revolution sits at the center of the story
06:11 – Cultural Christianity, conversion, and why truth still matters
10:30 – Nietzsche’s “madman” and the collapse of moral meaning
12:56 – Authenticity, evangelism, and the uphill battle against expressive individualism
18:23 – Do the revolutions of modernity actually deliver what they promise?
21:04 – Genetic selection, artificial wombs, and the moral vacuum of tech culture
27:29 – Social acceleration, anxiety, and the instability of modern life
30:23 – Technology, human limits, and the need for a normative view of humanity
35:58 – Assisted suicide, autonomy, and why stories matter more than abstractions
41:53 – The transgender movement, fairness, and transhumanism
45:44 – Why Christian nationalism is not the answer
49:40 – Creed, cult, code, congregational singing, and hospitality as a plan of consecration
55:53 – OutroResources Mentioned:
- The Desecration of Man by Carl Trueman
- The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self by Carl Trueman
- The Gay Science by Friedrich Nietzsche
- The Ethics of Authenticity by Charles Taylor
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7 April 2026, 4:00 am - 1 hour 14 minutesTop 10 Theology Stories Since 2000: Part 2
Join Collin Hansen, Michael Graham, and Sarah Zylstra as they continue to look back on the top theology stories from the last 25 years. In part 1, they counted down stories #10 to #6. Now in part 2, Graham and Zylstra walk with Hansen through his stories #5 down to #1.
In This Episode:
00:00:00 – Why homosexuality became a presenting issue dividing the church
00:00:41 – Sarah Zylstra introduces the second half of the top 10 list
00:01:34 – Recap of stories 10 through 6 from the previous episode
00:03:06 – Number 5: COVID-19 shuts the world down
00:04:57 – COVID, institutional mistrust, and the authority of scientists
00:06:25 – A decade of digital change compressed into one year
00:09:22 – What COVID did to church attendance and online ministry
00:11:38 – Rediscovering embodied worship after metaverse-era predictions
00:14:11 – Number 4: The Trump era and its theological consequences
00:15:41 – Supreme Court appointments, religious liberty, and legal change
00:18:50 – Dobbs, abortion, and evangelical disengagement from the pro-life cause
00:19:54 – Immigration as a leading social and theological issue
00:22:13 – Executive power, post-liberalism, and Christian nationalism
00:24:05 – Number 3: Obergefell and the moral transformation of marriage
00:25:20 – Sexuality, family, and the collapse of shared moral norms
00:27:48 – Don Carson’s 2005 warning about homosexuality as a presenting issue
00:29:22 – Mainline denominational splits and the global Methodist divide
00:32:11 – Why many evangelicals held to historic sexual ethics
00:33:17 – How race and sexuality became bundled in public discourse
00:36:56 – Rebecca McLaughlin and navigating race and sexuality faithfully
00:37:21 – Number 2: The iPhone and the shift to digital life
00:38:05 – Smartphones, fertility decline, and changing social habits
00:39:13 – Social contagion, gender identity, and online plausibility structures
00:40:08 – Podcasts, YouTube, AI, and the reshaping of knowledge
00:43:44 – Mike Graham on screens, AI, and the future of epistemology
00:48:00 – Individualized media diets, institutional decline, and gender divergence
00:50:06 – AI sycophancy, abuse scandals, and algorithm-shaped reality
00:53:51 – Why digital life felt like it could have been number one
00:54:26 – Number 1: Why 9/11 tops the list
00:56:23 – Christianity, Islam, and civilizational conflict
01:00:07 – 9/11, the new atheism, and the category of “fundamentalism”
01:02:01 – Theodicy, suffering, and major disasters after 9/11
01:03:12 – Mike Graham on why 9/11 is civilizationally decisive
01:06:17 – Middle Eastern Christians, Iraq, Syria, and migration into Europe
01:07:11 – Signs of God’s providence and good emerging from tragedy
01:09:18 – Tim Keller, New York church planting, and the young, restless, and Reformed movement
01:12:58 – Closing reflections on God’s providence over the last 25 yearsResources Mentioned:
- Rediscover Church by Collin Hansen and Jonathan Leeman
- The Secular Creed by Rebecca McLaughlin
- The WEIRDest People in the World by Joseph Henrich
- Generations by Jean M. Twenge
- Timothy Keller by Collin Hansen
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