The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

Ari's Take

In this show, Ari deconstructs the brightest minds in the music industry, digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and strategies that listeners can use to run successful careers of their own.

  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    LaRussell Built His Empire Brick by Brick

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Bay Area rapper, LaRussell. Known for his backyard shows, revolutionary ticketing and release practices, and motivational freestyling, LaRussell has become a blueprint for modern DIY artistry. His business, Good Compenny, is a multi-media brand that puts on shows, sells merch, and empowers independent artists.


    In this episode, Ari and LaRussell discuss when and why it’s important to stay independent as an artist. LaRussell tells Ari how he continues to find joy in making music, even after releasing over 700 songs. He also breaks down his offer-based ticketing model—a game-changing approach that could change the entire live concert industry. Tune in to hear LaRussell’s secrets to community-building, his artistic approach to social media, and loads of inspiration heading into 2026.


    https://www.instagram.com/larussell


    06:20 – LaRussell explains “out the trunk” direct bookings

    08:10 – Origin of the backyard concerts

    12:21 – Full backyard experience (hospitality, free food, bounce house)

    16:45 – How offer-based ticketing works (“What is this worth to you?”)

    18:23 – His $1,000 birthday show that made $250K

    20:12 – Full breakdown of all revenue streams

    27:02 – Why he stays independent + label philosophy

    43:48 – What “Good Compenny” really is (a community)

    54:38 – Spending $120K on ads to make $800K back

    01:02:01 – Full-circle moment: how the book changed his life


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    10 December 2025, 5:04 am
  • 1 hour 21 minutes
    How These DIY Artists Won a GRAMMY

    This week on the New Music Business Podcast, Ari sits down with recent GRAMMY Award winners Matt B and Angela Benson. Matt B is a GRAMMY-winning R&B singer, songwriter, and global recording artist whose career spans over a decade. His most recent project, ‘Alkebulan II’, earned him and Angela a GRAMMY Award, following years of DIY artistry. Over the course of this album, Matt and Angela recorded across Africa, collaborated with artists like Eddie Kenzo and Oxlade, and worked with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at Abbey Road Studios. As a label owner, producer on ‘Alkebulan II’, and longtime Recording Academy member, Angela has been instrumental in shaping Matt’s artistic direction, visual world-building, and global strategy.


    In this episode, Matt B and Angela Benson walk through their incredible DIY journey and how they found themselves on the GRAMMY-winning path. They discuss the challenges of writing and recording in multiple African languages, shooting a full visual album across multiple countries, and balancing the creative workload between artist and manager. The pair break down how independent artists can navigate the GRAMMY process, the importance of joining the Recording Academy, the role of networking and bartering in major creative endeavors, and most importantly, the communication and patience required to run a music career as a married team.


    https://www.instagram.com/mattbworld

    https://www.instagram.com/angelavbenson


    01:40 – Home Studio & Recent Travels

    02:10 – Returning to His Alma Mater After the Grammy Win

    03:00 – Life & Opportunities After Winning a Grammy

    04:15 – Performing in Uganda & Global Breakthrough Moments

    05:20 – Inception of the Akebulan Concept

    09:00 – Connecting With Oxlade & Eddie Kenzo

    11:00 – Creating the “Gimme Love” Music Video

    13:00 – Building a Full Visual Album DIY

    17:40 – Finding Producers & Collaborators Worldwide

    20:00 – Incorporating the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra

    30:00 – Navigating Grammy Nominations & Recording Academy Membership

    47:00 – Working as a Husband-and-Wife Artist/Manager Team


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    3 December 2025, 5:04 am
  • 59 minutes 30 seconds
    Is This The Future of Superfandom?

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Matt Jones, the CEO and co-founder of Medallion, a platform helping artists own their fan relationships and build new revenue models. Matt was previously CEO of Songkick, another direct-to-fan platform that was acquired by Warner Music Group. He’s now developing new economic models for artists to own their fan relationships.


    In this episode, Matt and Ari discuss the direct-to-fan experience and why it’s beneficial to give artists full ownership of their data. Matt explains why traditional models like Patreon and Substack don’t fit the creative rhythms of most musicians. They also dig into the shortcomings of streaming and the need for transparency in artist payments. Tune in to learn more about how major labels might adapt, what lessons can be learned from Bandcamp, and why the next decade of music will be defined by artist ownership and sustainability.


    https://medallion.app/


    0:00 - Intro

    10:45 – Why the term “superfan” has taken over the industry

    13:20 – The challenges artists face relying on third-party platforms

    15:50 – How Medallion lets artists own their data and build communities

    18:30 – Why streaming’s economic model is outdated and unsustainable

    21:50 – Why Patreon and Substack rarely work for most musicians

    24:15 – The three main artist revenue streams: live, recordings, and merch

    28:30 – How Bandcamp paved the way—but why it isn’t enough

    31:40 – Handling rights, licensing, and label relationships on Medallion

    38:00 – The future of transparency and fan-to-artist payment models

    49:50 – Why blockchain and NFTs weren’t the right fit for Medallion


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    26 November 2025, 5:05 am
  • 1 hour 5 minutes
    How Classical Pianist Chloe Flower Collabed with Cardi B, Meek Mill, Babyface and Built Her Career

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with acclaimed pianist and composer, Chloe Flower. Born in Pennsylvania, Chloe began playing piano at age two, later studying at the Manhattan School of Music’s Precollege and London’s Royal Academy of Music. A classically trained pianist turned genre-bender, she calls her unique style “popsical” (a fusion of classical, pop, and hip-hop). She has collaborated with major artists like Céline Dion, Babyface, Nas, and Cardi B (whose 2019 GRAMMY performance she helped elevate). Beyond performing, Chloe is a passionate advocate for music education.


    In this episode, Ari and Chloe dive deep into Chloe’s artistic journey. They discuss everything from her rigorous classical training to the lessons she’s learned from merging two distinct musical worlds. In this episode, you’ll learn about label strategy, collaboration with big-name artists and producers, and maintaining authenticity while scaling. Chloe shares invaluable insights on building a personal brand (both musically and visually), empowering women in the industry, and how she sees the future of genre-fluid music.


    https://www.instagram.com/misschloeflower


    05:00 – The Holiday Album and Women Composers

    10:30 – Understanding Public Domain and Classical Music Rights

    15:45 – YouTube Covers, Metadata, and Going Independent

    19:00 – Meeting Babyface and Blending Genres

    25:00 – The Viral Grammy Performance with Cardi B

    29:30 – Evolving Sound and the Role of Collaboration

    33:00 – Running an Independent Label and Revenue Streams

    36:00 – Pros and Cons of Major vs. Indie Labels

    47:00 – Music Education and Inspiring the Next Generation

    54:00 – Performing with Orchestras and Conductors


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    19 November 2025, 5:05 am
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    How a Mastering Engineer Works With (and Without) AI

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Daniel Rowland, a rare combination of audio engineer, producer, tech executive, and educator. The music he’s worked on has amassed over 15 billion streams, earning Emmy and Oscar wins, Grammy nominations, and multiple platinum certifications. His credits span an eclectic range of artists and projects, including Nina Simone, Nine Inch Nails, Thundercat, Star Wars, Pixar, and John Wick. Beyond the studio, Daniel serves as VP of Strategy and Partnerships at LANDR Audio and a longtime professor at MTSU, where he champions ethical, AI-driven tools that empower creators.


    In this episode, Ari and Daniel explore the ever-evolving intersection of music, technology, and creativity. They dive deep into the art and science of mastering for different formats, the rise of AI in music production, and how to maintain authenticity in an increasingly automated world. Daniel also shares his personal journey from musician to educator and innovator, offering invaluable insights for artists navigating the future of sound and creation.


    https://www.linkedin.com/in/rowlanddaniel


    https://www.landr.com/


    00:00 – Mixing vs. Mastering & the Role of AI in Quality Control

    02:30 – Introducing Daniel Rowland & His Career Overview

    06:45 – Daniel’s Journey from Musician to Engineer & Educator

    09:45 – Dolby Atmos & Spatial Audio: Fad or Future?

    19:00 – What Mastering Really Is (and Isn’t)

    26:00 – The “Curmudgeon” Era of Mastering Engineers

    29:00 – Loudness, LUFS, and the Streaming Revolution

    36:45 – The Vinyl Comeback: Problems and Pitfalls

    47:45 – Automated Mastering & LANDR’s Evolution

    54:00 – The Future of AI and Creativity in Music


    Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    12 November 2025, 5:05 am
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    How A&R at Publishing Companies Work

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Ralph Torrefranca, Executive Director of A&R at Angry Mob Music. With nearly two decades of experience, Ralph has championed emerging songwriters, artists, and producers, working with talents like Jake Scott, Bailey Bryan, and Joe Pepe. He is also the founder of Angry Mob’s New Normal Writing Camp, a diversity-driven initiative, and a respected voice on equity in the music industry. Beyond his A&R work, Ralph fronts the post-punk band Cuffed Up and is an award-winning filmmaker.


    In this episode, Ralph offers a candid look at the realities of A&R and independent publishing. He and Ari discuss signing and developing new talent, navigating the politics of song splits, and the growing importance of diversity in writers’ rooms. Ralph also sheds light on the challenges songwriters face in today’s industry and the ongoing fight for fair representation, making this conversation invaluable for anyone seeking an inside perspective on the business of songwriting and publishing.


    https://www.instagram.com/rhymeswithralph

    https://www.instagram.com/angrymobmusic


    00:00:00 Introduction to A&R and Publishing

    00:03:00 The Role of A&R in Independent Publishing

    00:09:00 Challenges in Signing New Talent

    00:15:00 The Politics of Song Splits

    00:21:00 Diversity in Writers' Rooms

    00:27:00 Advocating for Songwriters' Rights

    00:33:00 The Evolving Music Industry Landscape

    00:39:00 Songwriting Camps and Collaboration

    00:45:00 Defining Success in the Music Business


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    5 November 2025, 5:04 am
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    GRAMMY Winning NYC Jazz Singer/Songwriter/Arranger Makes It Work

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Nicole Zuraitis, a GRAMMY-winning New York-based jazz singer, songwriter, pianist, and arranger. Her 2023 album, How Love Begins, won Best Jazz Vocal Album at the 66th GRAMMY Awards in 2024. She has performed all over the world from Birdland and Dizzy's Club to Lincoln Center China. She first earned GRAMMY attention in 2019 for her arrangement of Dolly Parton's "Jolene" with a GRAMMY nomination for Best Arrangement, Instruments, and Vocals. She most recently won a GRAMMY in 2025 for Best Large Jazz Ensemble Album.


    In this episode, Nicole traces her path from early days hustling in the New York jazz scene, collaborating with Christian McBridge, touring in China, and navigating the realities of indie artistry. She digs into the power of networking in her community, the pandemic's impact on NYC venues, why physical release formats still matter, and how grants and private donors help fund albums.


    https://www.nicolezmusic.com/


    4:53 - Introduction and Nicole's new live album

    9:23 - The decision to record live at VIXX

    15:53 - Collaborating with Christian McBride

    22:38 - Touring in China and working with Jazz at Lincoln Center

    29:08 - The Grammy experience and independent artist challenges

    36:33 - The role of networking in New York's music scene

    44:13 - The impact of the pandemic on jazz clubs

    51:43 - The importance of physical music products in the digital age

    59:23 - Funding albums through grants and private donors

    1:05:53 - Nicole's upcoming projects and future plans


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    29 October 2025, 4:04 am
  • 53 minutes 57 seconds
    Finding Accidental Streaming Success in a Niche Market

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Sol Rising, a producer and DJ whose eclectic blend of electronic, downtempo, and lo-fi has inspired millions. Born in Vancouver and raised in Iowa, he went from a childhood rooted in meditation to becoming one of America’s top scratch DJs before evolving into a prolific producer. With over 20 albums, 225M+ streams, and international tours across the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, and Australia, Sol Rising shares his journey of artistry and growth.


    Sol shares his journey from a turntablist to a successful artist with millions of streams, discussing the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music world independently. They delve into the impact of streaming platforms, the role of AI in music, and the importance of staying true to one's artistic vision. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about creativity, perseverance, and the evolving landscape of the music business.


    05:40 – Introduction and Niche

    11:10 – Early Journey

    17:40 – Shift to Yoga Music

    24:25 – Streaming Platforms

    30:55 – AI in Music

    37:40 – Creativity and Motivation

    45:40 – Future Plans

    53:10 – Reflections and Advice


    https://www.instagram.com/solrising


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    22 October 2025, 4:05 am
  • 1 hour 56 seconds
    Suno and Udio SUED By Indie Musicians - The Lead Attorney Tells All

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Top Music Attorney, Miss Krystle. Miss Krystle is an entertainment attorney, independent artist, musician, and CEO of Delgado Entertainment Law. She hosts the Top Music Attorney podcast and popular YouTube channel, and has sold tens of millions of dollars in music catalogs. As leader of the class action lawsuit against A.I. generative companies Suno and Udio on behalf of independent artist, producers, & songwriters; she continues to champion creators’ rights while teaching artists how to think like major labels and build six-figure careers on their own terms.


    In this insightful episode, Ari and Krystle, delve into the complexities of the music industry, focusing on the challenges and opportunities presented by AI in music creation. They discuss the ongoing legal battles against AI music platforms, the importance of copyright registration, and the evolving landscape of music licensing. Tune in to learn how independent artists can navigate these changes and protect their creative rights.


    https://www.instagram.com/misskrystlelive


    00:00 - Introduction and AI's Impact on Music

    03:00 - Legal Challenges and Copyright Issues

    06:00 - Class Action Lawsuits Against AI Platforms

    09:00 - Independent Artists and AI

    12:00 - The Role of Copyright Registration

    15:00 - Spotify's Approach to AI Music

    18:00 - Fair Use in AI Music

    21:00 - Future of the Music Industry

    24:00 - Strategies for Artists to Protect Their Work

    27:00 - Closing Thoughts and Takeaways


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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    8 October 2025, 4:04 am
  • 1 hour 12 minutes
    ​This Music Publicist Has Upended the Entire PR Model

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    This week on the New Music Business, Ari is joined by the founder of Purple Bite PR, Mikel Corrente. In the last few years Corrente adapted a “Zero-Risk” guaranteed or money back system that is very uncommon in the PR industry but it’s more transparent and fairer than the traditional PR system. Some examples of artists and companies that Corrente has worked with are: Sony Music, Kat Graham, Red Light Management, Mix Master Mike, Elohim, Jesse Jo Stark, Lauren Ruth Ward, BIIANCO, and many more.


    05:52 Welcome / background

    10:20 PR model ten years ago, shifting from publications to playlists

    15:55 What PR is and what a publicist does

    25:21 Evolution of press rates and artist feedback

    31:24 Relationship with fashion and music publication Lady Gun

    41:58 Pay-to-play PR model

    47:03 What is the point of music press right now?

    53:21 Purple Bite’s business model

    01:05:03 How Purple Bite guarantees placements

    01:09:50 What it means to make it in the New Music Business


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    Connect with Mikel Corrente:


    Website: http://purplebite.com

    Instagram: https://instagram.com/mikelcorrente

    TikTok: https://.tiktok.com/@mikelcorrente

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/MikelCorrente


    Edited and mixed by Maxton Hunter

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    #MusicPR #MusicPress #MusicMarketing

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    6 October 2025, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 1 minute
    The FTC Sues Live Nation and Ticketmaster - NIVA Responds

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Stephen Parker, Executive Director of the National Independent Venue Association (NIVA), which represents over 1,500 venues nationwide. Together, they discuss the Federal Trade Commission’s lawsuit against Live Nation and Ticketmaster, which alleges deceptive pricing practices that have enabled scalpers to exploit both artists and fans for billions of dollars.

    Ari and Stephen break down the logistics of the case, its potential impact on the future of ticketed events, and the incriminating evidence pointing to Live Nation and Ticketmaster’s complicity. They also explore the broader issue of monopoly power in the live music industry, the push to separate the two companies, and the policy and legal strategies that could protect venues, artists, and consumers moving forward.


    https://www.nivassoc.org/

    https://www.nivassoc.org/fixthetix/model-legislation


    5:10 Introduction and Overview of Live Nation's Situation

    10:10 FTC Lawsuit Against Live Nation and Ticketmaster

    15:10 History of Live Nation and Ticketmaster Merger

    20:10 Role of NIVA and Its Advocacy Efforts

    25:10 Impact of Ticket Scalping and Resale Practices

    30:10 Discussion on Ticketing Reform and Legislative Efforts

    35:10 Challenges Faced by Independent Venues

    40:10 Artists' Perspectives on Ticketing Issues

    45:10 Future of Ticketing and Live Events

    50:10 Closing Remarks and Call to Action


    Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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    1 October 2025, 4:04 am
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