• 1 hour 6 minutes
    Trump v. Barbara

    Birthright citizenship, widely considered settled law before Trump tried to overturn it via executive order last year, escaped this term unscathed by one single vote. Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael explore the various mental illnesses, brainworms, and ahistorical nonsense that led to such a close decision. 

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    5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com 

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    7 July 2026, 8:00 am
  • 54 minutes 27 seconds
    250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War, and the End of Reconstruction

    In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, Michael and University of Pennsylvania Law Professor Kermit Roosevelt as they talk through how the Supreme Court greased the wheels for the end of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow.

    Check out Kermit’s book The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story.

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    30 June 2026, 9:50 am
  • 54 minutes 23 seconds
    “The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves

    Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her latest book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights.

    Check out Without Precedent here! 

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    23 June 2026, 8:00 am
  • 41 minutes 13 seconds
    The Supreme Court v. The First Step Act

    In two cases this term, federal inmates sought their freedom based on compassionate release, an early release process that was expanded under the 2018 First Step Act. The Supreme Court denied both requests.

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    16 June 2026, 8:00 am
  • 4 minutes 45 seconds
    Reform the Court and Your Love Life (Summer 2026 Mailbag) [TEASER]

    The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s finances. 

    Thanks for all of your questions, and for being a Premium member!

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    9 June 2026, 8:00 am
  • 52 minutes 18 seconds
    California v. Greenwood

    Raccoons are the police now. 

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    2 June 2026, 8:00 am
  • 44 minutes 38 seconds
    Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha

    In 1983, the Supreme Court declared the legislative veto unconstitutional, forever kneecapping Congress’ ability to check the executive branch. Now you have to learn about bicameralism and presentment. 

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    26 May 2026, 8:00 am
  • 11 minutes 33 seconds
    Introducing: OnlyFantasy (Leon's New Podcast)

    In this provocative investigation into OnlyFans— the adult platform where subscribers around the world spent more than $7 billion in 2024— the guy who reads the intros on 5-4 teams up with comedian and OnlyFans creator Gracie Canaan for a one-of-a-kind exploration into the current state of human connection.

    Captivating and tender, OnlyFantasy is about the cost of loneliness, the seductive power of desire, and how the rules of human intimacy are being rewritten online. Is what’s happening on OnlyFans real? Or is it only a fantasy?

    Find OnlyFantasy wherever you get your podcasts, or binge all episodes ad-free on Audible. 



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    21 May 2026, 6:08 pm
  • 5 minutes 32 seconds
    The People v. MrBeast [TEASER]

    We made 3 legal podcasters watch Mr. Beast and now they think he’s the antichrist. 

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    19 May 2026, 8:00 am
  • 1 hour 7 seconds
    Louisiana v. Callais

    The end of the Voting Rights Act, brought to you by the Supreme Court.

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    7 May 2026, 8:00 am
  • 47 minutes 28 seconds
    Brecht v. Abrahamson

    You have the right to remain silent. Unless you are a gay ex-con from Wisconsin. Then you’re a Bad Boy™.

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    5 May 2026, 8:00 am
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