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Andrew Bowser recently debuted his 4th feature film at Sundance Film Festival 2023, ONYX THE FORTUITOUS AND THE TALISMAN OF SOULS, in which Andrew wore many hats as star, director, writer, producer, editor as well as spearheading a successful Kickstarter campaign to secure their first round of financing. Prior to that project he worked full-time for Legendary Digital Networks (formerly Nerdist), where he helmed several of the company’s most viewed videos, and directed the bulk of their narrative branded content. He has also worked with Funny Or Die, G4, and companies such as Chrysler, Toyota, Twix, Warner Bros, Blumhouse, and more. Andrew’s YouTube channel supports 250K+ subscribers, and his Tik Tok fanbase is 1M +.

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Conspiracy theories are at the root of the most pressing political problems of our time, yet their influence cuts just as personal. Suspicion has fractured families, communities, churches, and our very social fabric, as one person’s fact is another’s fake news.

In Reality in Ruins, Dr. Jared Stacy braves the untold history of conspiracism in American evangelicalism and the anxiety at the heart of this radioactive movement that affects us all. In a new age of what he calls “Disreality,” many are left reeling in the ruins of what was once a common world, now splintered by warring ideologies, religious and political extremism, and cults of certainty. Dr. Stacy reports from the inside as someone raised and even ordained in one of the nation’s most conservative denominations. Now, as a historian and post-evangelical theologian, Dr. Stacy traces the currents of pain, panic, and power that have thrust the evangelical church into a theological crisis with consequence for everyone.

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Check out my first episode with Isami for more context to her background: https://youtu.be/qejunG6PxhA

On this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, Eric Skwarczynski sits down again for an in-person interview with Isami (IG: @isamiinspires).

After a quick recap of our last episode, she opens up about building a new life in Utah, drinking dirty soda, meeting Mormon wives who live secret lives, and being asked about her faith constantly. She also discusses her brief time working for CPS in Utah and the darker situations she has had to deal with.

Isami talks candidly about her dad’s recent death, the strange circumstances around it, and the complicated grief of trying to find closure with an abusive parent who never really made things right.

Throughout the conversation, she and Eric wrestle with how to hold empathy while speaking the truth, what healing looks like in real time, and so much more.

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Lindsey Williams returns to the podcast to join me in interviewing Taylor Burge, stepdaughter of Phil Phillips.

She shares what it was like growing up in the home behind Turmoil in the Toybox, the infamous book that warned Christian parents about the supposed demonic dangers of He-Man, Care Bears, Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, and other pieces of 80s and 90s childhood.

In this conversation, Taylor reflects on being raised as one of the “poster children” for her father’s ministry, the pressure of growing up inside fear-based Christianity, the complicated legacy of satanic panic, and how she now thinks about parenting, faith, community, accountability, and breaking cycles as an adult.

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In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, Travis Chappell (host of the Travis Makes Money Podcast) joins to break down the latest developments in the Liberty Baptist Church financial scandal involving former senior pastor Scott Gray and deceased associate pastor and financial director Tim Forgy.

We cover the leaked audio recordings from the March 22nd, 2026 church meeting led by attorney David Gibbs III of the National Center for Life and Liberty, where the congregation learned the full extent of the church's financial mismanagement — including secret bank accounts, forged board minutes, and unauthorized loans taken out without board knowledge or approval.

The outside CPA firm hired to investigate called it "one of the worst cases" of church financial fraud they had ever seen.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Intro

01:59 How this came to light

06:42 Pastor Scott Gray's Public Statement

09:12 Did Scott Gray Lie About Stepping Away from Ministry?

12:03 Church Business Meeting

12:46 How church finances improved after Scott Gray Left

15:16 Maybe "the worst case" the CPA had ever seen

18:21 Scope of the investigation

21:17 Forged documents to obtain loans

27:05 Did Tim Forgy act without Scott Gray's knowledge?

28:27 Maxed out church credit cards

32:56 Staff were asked not to take paychecks

43:12 Double payments made to Pastor Scott Gray

47:13 Excessive and undocumented spending

51:29 Nearly $400k cost to church

57:33 Luxury purchases

01:04:37 Churches need strong systems to prevent this

01:10:24 Poorly planned building projects

01:14:46 Gibbs says Scott Gray has been "combative"

01:16:19 Executive Summary

01:18:32 Civil/Criminal Charges aren't being pursued

01:22:43 LBC's financial strategy moving forward

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Sources Mentioned in the Article:

https://www.kltv.com/story/1676756/former-christian-school-principal-jailed/

https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Principal-accused-of-molesting-students-sentenced-7621696.php

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-texas-baptist-crucible/id1821356937

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In this episode, I look back at a Baptist abuse scandal that made headlines in the early 00’s.

Russel Hirner was the principal of a school affiliated with Longview Baptist Temple (now named Emmanuel Baptist Church) in Longview, Texas. He is currently serving time in prison for sexual abuse of minors.

His son, Joshua Hirner, sat down with me to talk about the environment at Longview, his dad’s double life, and the facts he slowly pieced together while his dad was behind bars.

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Melissa Duge Spiers is an award-winning essayist, screenwriter, and advocate for topics of religious and narcissistic abuse, utilizing her online platforms (TikTok and Instagram: “The Glory Whole”). Her memoir Holy Disobedience won the 2021 Book Pipeline Unpublished Nonfiction Manuscript prize, with excerpts featured in The Huffington Post. Melissa’s writing appears in magazines nationwide, and she’s a contributor to Take the Fruit: An Anthology of Religious Trauma.

Also a runner, cheese lover, and life-long vintage collector, Melissa holds a B.A. in English Literature from Barnard College at Columbia University and is based in California.

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About Holy Disobedience:

“Spiers’s writing is propulsive and intelligent.” —Tia Levings, author of the New York Times bestselling A Well-Trained Wife

Holy Disobedience is a gripping, unflinching story by Melissa Duge Spiers about growing up in the shadow of control, silence, and secrets within the strict, fundamentalist Seventh-day Adventist Church. When Melissa learns that her father, a respected pastor, was a serial child predator shielded by the church, her world implodes. But this revelation is only the beginning.

From being beaten for resisting a childhood home perm to seducing a forbidden public-school athlete to reclaim her autonomy, Melissa’s early years were shaped by repression, shame, and indoctrination. Her escape from high-control religion launched her into a life of risk: Wall Street jobs, New York nightclubs, Hollywood hookups, and a series of abusive relationships. And yet, in these extremes, she was searching. Through self-reflection and finding her voice, and through an unexpected friendship with her father's first victim, Melissa slowly reconstructs the self she was never allowed to know.

Holy Disobedience is not just a survivor’s tale. It’s a story of fierce honesty, radical freedom, and the beautiful mess of becoming whole.

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Joseph Garrett Duggar, 31, former star of TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting and Counting On, faces felony charges of lewd and lascivious behavior involving a child under 12, according to the Bay County Sheriff’s Office.1

The arrest, made on March 18, 2026, marks yet another scandal for the Duggar family, whose reality TV fame crumbled amid repeated sexual misconduct allegations involving the oldest brother, Josh Duggar.

Josh was imprisoned in 2022 for possessing child sexual abuse material.

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