So you want to outgrow porn. But how? How do you change your brain, heal your heart, and save your relationship? Welcome to Husband Material with Drew Boa, where we answer all these questions and more! Each episode will help you achieve lasting freedom from porn more quickly and permanently—without fighting an exhausting battle. Porn is a pacifier. This podcast will help you outgrow it and become a sexually healthy man of God.
What exactly is a glimmer? Why do glimmers matter for outgrowing porn? Learn 3 ways to get the most out of your glimmers—maximizing moments of joy, peace, and connection.
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Where is God when we suffer? How does grief intensify sexual temptation? Why do we need to "run toward the roar" of triggers and traumas instead of avoiding them?
Hear Davey Blackburn tell the heartbreaking story of how his wife of 7 years was murdered in their home during a break-in, leaving him as a single father to their 15-month-old son. Davey also describes how God has begun to write a beautiful redemption story of healing, forgiveness, and purpose where "nothing is wasted."
Davey Blackburn (and his wife Kristi) founded Nothing is Wasted Ministries to help people partner with God to take back their story. Learn more at nothingiswasted.com
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Nothing Is Wasted: A True Story of Hope, Forgiveness, and Finding Purpose in Pain.
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What if the desires you've been suppressing are not bad, but simply underdeveloped? In this episode, Jay Stringer explores five core longings that drive us—and why we need to welcome them rather than try to conquer them or shut them down. You'll hear how desire is shaped by childhood experiences, pornography, and other forces—as well as how desire can be reshaped and resurrected.
Jay Stringer is a licensed mental health counselor, researcher, and speaker who helps people uncover the unexpected meaning hidden in life’s hardest challenges. He is the award-winning author of Unwanted: How Sexual Brokenness Reveals Our Way to Healing and lives in New York City with his wife, Heather, and their two children. Learn more at jay-stringer.com
Buy Jay's new book:
Desire: The Longings Inside Us and the New Science of How We Love, Heal, and Grow
Guest interviews do not constitute an endorsement. We encourage discernment—grab what's good, drop the rest.
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What is redemptive risk? Why is it essential for healing and outgrowing porn? In this episode, you'll learn why and how to embrace redemptive risk, the difference between dirty pain and clean pain, and three steps to consider as you discern your next redemptive risk:
What redemptive risk(s) are you currently taking? Let us know in the Husband Material Community!
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Men need men. In this episode, Tom Zuniga champions the value of brotherhood and "chosen family"—especially in a culture where romantic marriage seems like the only place where intimacy is possible. Tom shares his story of growing up feeling lonely and different, experiencing same-sex attraction, and discovering the beauty of following Jesus in community with other men.
Tom Zuniga is the Director of Your Other Brothers, a community where Christian men are navigating matters of faith, sexuality, and masculinity. Together. Check out their blogs and podcasts, or explore their retreats and other community offerings at yourotherbrothers.org
Learn more about the overarching nonprofit ministry of Your Other Family at yourotherfamily.org, as well as their new women’s community of Your Other Sisters at yourothersisters.org
Hear Tom Zuniga interview Drew Boa at https://yourotherbrothers.org/convocast/yob-convocast-104-tom-amp-drew-boa-outgrow-porn-examine-fetishes-and-do-inner-child-work
Connect with Tom at thomasmarkz.com
Disclaimer: Tom and Your Other Family offer valuable perspectives and wonderful resources, and we're honored to introduce them to you. As with any content, we encourage you to take what helps you grow and leave the rest behind.
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In this episode, longtime friend of the podcast and author Sathiya Sam shares why porn recovery can literally save lives, what true freedom looks like (eternal, internal, and external) and practical advice on how to find purpose beyond porn.
Sathiya Sam, founder of Deep Clean Coaching, helps men overcome pornography addiction, inspired by his own 15-year journey. Author of The Last Relapse and host of The Man Within, he has guided thousands of men to freedom. Learn more at sathiyasam.com
To celebrate 10 years of freedom from porn and 1 million podcast downloads, Sathiya is hosting a giveaway. Enter here: deepcleancoaching.com/giveaway
"You don't set people free just so they can say they're free; you set people free so they can fly." —Sathiya Sam
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Do you know what it's like to feel numb, drained, and disconnected? This is the most common precursor to watching porn: the "flop" reaction. In this episode, you'll learn what the flop reaction is, why it's not necessarily bad, and three ways to navigate low-energy moments without crashing into a relapse.
Strategy #1: Flop with a purpose
Strategy #2: Flop with a friend
Strategy #3: Flop with your body
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How does physical fitness support sexual and spiritual health? In this episode, Alex VanHouten describes what it looks like to faithfully care for your body. You'll learn about the twin pitfalls of pride/envy and gluttony/sloth, how working out can help you process emotions and sexual urges, and what fitness is ultimately about: reclaiming the territory of your body for the kingdom of God.
Alex VanHouten is an exercise scientist, health coach, and the founder of Faithful Fitness. With over 20 years of experience in fitness coaching, he has empowered individuals to transform their health through intelligent, science-based training, all while grounding his approach in the hope of the gospel. As the host of the Faithful Fitness Podcast and leader of the Faithful Fitness community, Coach Alex provides valuable tools to help people steward their bodies well for God’s glory. Learn more at faithfulfitness.co
Buy Alex's new book:
Faithful Fitness: A 40-Day Devotional for Christian Health and Stewardship
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If you're in a season of depression, darkness, or difficulty, please listen to this episode. Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson offer deep wisdom on how to welcome all that is within you (yes, even that). This interview is punctuated by powerful poems and prayers for whatever "low" you might be going through.
Justin McRoberts is the author of 8 books, including In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark Seasons. He lives in Martinez, CA and talks with his mom every day. Connect with Justin at justinmcroberts.com or on Instagram @justinmcroberts.
Scott Erickson is an artist, author, and performance speaker creating a visual vocabulary for the spiritual journey. Connect with Scott at scottericksonart.com or on Instagram @scottthepainter.
Buy Justin and Scott's new book:
In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark Seasons
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What are HMA Triads? What makes them different from accountability groups? Why is joining a small group essential for outgrowing porn? Rich Savoy explains everything you need to know about HMA Triads, what makes them different than porn accountability groups, and why you should consider joining one. Join HMA by January 18, 2026 at joinHMA.com.
Rich Savoy is HMA's Director Of Small Groups. He is also a board member of Husband Material Ministries and an international speaker on emotional intelligence with Global Leadership Partners. Contact Rich inside the Husband Material Community.
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God designed your brain to heal itself under the right conditions. How can we understand self-healing from a Christian perspective? What are the optimal conditions for self-healing? How can self-healing accelerate the process of outgrowing porn? In this episode, you'll not only get answers to these questions—you'll witness a powerful demonstration of Brainspotting with Drew Boa and Mike Chapman.
This episode was recorded at the 2026 Porn Free Man Conference sponsored by Husband Material Academy (HMA). Join HMA now at joinHMA.com
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