Trapital

Dan Runcie

Learn from hip-hop's leading execs

  • 29 minutes 34 seconds
    Coachella’s Dilemma: Stadium Money vs. Festival Money

    Coachella sold out in five days after announcing Justin Bieber as headliner. That's the good news. The bad news? It tells you how hard it's become to book a headline act who can actually move 250,000 tickets for the one of most premiere music festivals in the world.
    Dave Brooks, a music correspondent at Puck and host of the Decibel and Docket podcast, joins the show to break down the business of festival season 2026. We get into why the biggest artists no longer need Coachella, which festivals are actually profitable, and what's ahead for live music.
    CHAPTERS
    07:46 The Bieber Effect
    08:02 Stadium Money
    11:50 Why Stagecoach is Different
    21:13 Lollapalooza
    23:43 Chris Brown and Kanye West
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    6 April 2026, 11:11 am
  • 30 minutes 34 seconds
    Talent Agencies: Who Leads the Next Era?

    Now that Wasserman Agency has rebrand itself to "The Team," what's next? Who will lead The Team? Who will the new owner be? What will they do with it? Elsewhere in the talent agency world, CAA has a new managing director for music touring, and UTA's longtime leader has stepped down. Who will lead the next era?


    I am joined by Ben Sisario from the New York Times to unpack the talent agency business, the leadership and reputational questions surrounding the companies, and what it all signals about succession, private equity, and the future of agency power.


    CHAPTERS


    05:05 Wasserman's Rebrand

    08:23 Sale Scenarios

    12:52 Margins And Risk

    21:16 Why Music Lags

    26:08 The Black Box of Talent Agencies


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    30 March 2026, 2:01 pm
  • 32 minutes 35 seconds
    Can AI Music Creation Be a Real Growth Market?

    As streaming growth slows, the music industry is searching for its next big opportunity. One of the leading bets? AI-powered music creation.

    I'm joined by MIDiA Research’s Tati Cirisano to break down whether platforms like Suno represent a true growth engine or just another niche product.

    We explore the rise of consumer creation, the limits of the “superfan” narrative, and why the future of music revenue may be more fragmented than the industry hopes.


    CHAPTERS


    02:10 Rise of AI music tools 06:00 The superfan idea 14:30 The superfan landscape 22:30 Suno’s growth 40:00 AI vs. streaming 46:00 Labels and deals 52:00 Streaming’s future

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    23 March 2026, 3:56 pm
  • 29 minutes 3 seconds
    Live Nation and DOJ Settled. Now What?

    The Department of Justice has settled its lawsuit against Live Nation - Ticketmaster. There will be no breakup of the live entertainment company, but Live Nation has agreed to several remedies in an effort to improve the ticketing industry. But more rust that’s settled… what’s next? What will this change?


    In this episode, we are joined by returning guest and NYU professor Larry Miller to break down the DOJ’s settlement with Live Nation/Ticketmaster.

    We also dig into the bigger question fans care about most: will this make tickets cheaper?


    CHAPTERS

    04:13 Why Did DOJ Want to Settle?

    11:14 Will Ticket Prices Fall?

    13:05 Primary vs. Secondary Ticketing Market

    22:48 StubHub and SeatGeek’s Challenge

    24:56 Live Nation’s Consent Decree



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    16 March 2026, 10:38 am
  • 27 minutes 39 seconds
    Private Investors Love Music. Why Doesn’t Wall Street?

    Investors have poured more money into music than ever before. Music as an asset class if hotter than ever,. But the public markets have discounted the value of music companies:

    • UMG stock is currently trading near its all-time low
    • WMG trades at a discount on its earnings relative to UMG
    • RSVR is going through a takeover attempt
    • Several publicly traded music companies have been taken off the public markets

    This is a huge disparity, and it was time to explain why.

    In this solo episode, I break down this paradox. We will also connect the dots to real estate, the post-2021 repricing, and why more take-private attempts may be ahead.


    CHAPTERS

    00:10 Private vs Public Money in Music

    07:26 Similarities in Music

    08:19 2021 Reset

    15:10 WMG and UMG

    24:02 What’s Ahead


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    9 March 2026, 4:59 pm
  • 1 minute 2 seconds
    Trapital: Where Business Meets Culture
    9 March 2026, 4:56 pm
  • 35 minutes 18 seconds
    Is The Sphere… A Good Business?

    Sphere Entertainment is now profitable, Wizard of Oz was a hit, and more locations are coming. Has the business turned the corner, or are there still question marks?

    In this episode, I’m joined by Tati Cirisano, MIDiA Research, to assess where Sphere Entertainment stands in 2026. We unpack the company’s narrative, scalability, residencies, challenges, and more.


    CHAPTERS


    01:34 Is It Really Profitable?

    10:01 The Concert Residency Model

    14:58 Sphere Expansion Plans

    22:33 Novelty Risk

    26:07 Does Sphere Have a Comp?


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    26 February 2026, 11:20 pm
  • 42 minutes 40 seconds
    Follow The Money: EVEN, Duetti, and The New Deal Stack

    In music right now, the winners aren’t just the artists with the biggest audiences, they’re the teams that control the infrastructure.

    First, I sit down with Mag Rodriguez, CEO and co-founder of EVEN, to break down how Even became a key part of J. Cole’s The Fall Off rollout, from exclusive drops and direct-to-fan sales to tour presales and fan community features designed to keep people coming back.

    Then, I’m joined by Lior Tibon, CEO and co-founder of Duetti, to unpack the financial plumbing behind catalog deals: how Duetti raised $200M, why equity and debt get used differently, and how data, underwriting, and marketing operations power the rights-acquisition machine.


    CHAPTERS:

    04:27 Why J. Cole Uses EVEN

    10:16 EVEN-UMG Deal, Explained

    16:49 Clearing the Rumors

    32:30 Duetti’s Equity vs. Debt Stack

    33:34 What a typical Duetti deal looks like

    38:38 Catalog Marketing Playbook


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    20 February 2026, 11:42 am
  • 26 minutes 21 seconds
    Why Netflix and Spotify Won in Paid Streaming

    For the past 20 years, subscription streaming has produced an outcome that still gets overlooked. The category winners weren’t the big tech giants or the major studios. In music, Spotify became the default. In premium video, Netflix did the same.

    In this episode, we break down how pure-play focus, faster decision-making, and a single retention-driven scoreboard create compounding advantages that big tech’s money and bundling can’t easily copy.


    CHAPTERS

    01:03 Why Spotify and Netflix Succeeded

    06:13 Pure-Play Edge

    10:36 Speed & Ownership

    14:29 Survivorship Reality


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    11 February 2026, 12:49 pm
  • 38 minutes 27 seconds
    Inside Grammy Week: Galas, Deal Rooms, and “The Two Grammys”

    We just came back from the 68th Grammy Awards. I am joined by Tati Cirisano of MIDiA Research break down what it’s actually like to the experience the Grammys up close from industry events and late-night conversations to crossing paths with artists, executives, and power players shaping the music business. We unpack standout performances, unexpected moments, and how attending the show in person is different from watching at home.


    CHAPTERS


    01:43 Bad Bunny’s Big Night

    05:11 The Grammys In Person vs. On TV

    08:36 Lauryn Hill

    10:07 Cher on Stage

    14:02 Polymarket and the Grammys

    20:39 Grammy Week

    25:19 Big Changes Next Year


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    4 February 2026, 10:00 am
  • 18 minutes 59 seconds
    Can YouTube Have It All?

    YouTube is the biggest TV, music, and video platform in the world, but it’s not satisfied. The company still wants to compete for the dollars that go to traditional TV. But can YouTube have it all?

    In this episode, we examine YouTube’s push into the living room, from securing the NFL Sunday Ticket to becoming the exclusive home of the Oscars starting in 2029. But as YouTube chases TV legitimacy and higher profit margins, it faces a core tension: how can it get there without losing the creator-driven ethos that made it dominant.

    We break down YouTube’s battle for short-form dominance, where YouTube TV fits in, and what its evolving strategy reveals about the future of media, creators, and global attention.


    CHAPTERS

    02:12 YouTube’s Ambition

    04:59 YouTube vs TikTok

    10:04 YouTube TV

    13:16 Future of YouTube


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    23 January 2026, 2:36 pm
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