Trapital

Dan Runcie

Learn from hip-hop's leading execs

  • 35 minutes 18 seconds
    Is The Sphere… A Good Business?

    Sphere Entertainment is now profitable, Wizard of Oz was a hit, and more locations are coming. Has the business turned the corner, or are there still question marks?

    In this episode, I’m joined by Tati Cirisano, MIDiA Research, to assess where Sphere Entertainment stands in 2026. We unpack the company’s narrative, scalability, residencies, challenges, and more.


    CHAPTERS


    01:34 Is It Really Profitable?

    10:01 The Concert Residency Model

    14:58 Sphere Expansion Plans

    22:33 Novelty Risk

    26:07 Does Sphere Have a Comp?


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    26 February 2026, 11:20 pm
  • 42 minutes 40 seconds
    Follow The Money: EVEN, Duetti, and The New Deal Stack

    In music right now, the winners aren’t just the artists with the biggest audiences, they’re the teams that control the infrastructure.

    First, I sit down with Mag Rodriguez, CEO and co-founder of EVEN, to break down how Even became a key part of J. Cole’s The Fall Off rollout, from exclusive drops and direct-to-fan sales to tour presales and fan community features designed to keep people coming back.

    Then, I’m joined by Lior Tibon, CEO and co-founder of Duetti, to unpack the financial plumbing behind catalog deals: how Duetti raised $200M, why equity and debt get used differently, and how data, underwriting, and marketing operations power the rights-acquisition machine.


    CHAPTERS:

    04:27 Why J. Cole Uses EVEN

    10:16 EVEN-UMG Deal, Explained

    16:49 Clearing the Rumors

    32:30 Duetti’s Equity vs. Debt Stack

    33:34 What a typical Duetti deal looks like

    38:38 Catalog Marketing Playbook


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    20 February 2026, 11:42 am
  • 26 minutes 21 seconds
    Why Netflix and Spotify Won in Paid Streaming

    For the past 20 years, subscription streaming has produced an outcome that still gets overlooked. The category winners weren’t the big tech giants or the major studios. In music, Spotify became the default. In premium video, Netflix did the same.

    In this episode, we break down how pure-play focus, faster decision-making, and a single retention-driven scoreboard create compounding advantages that big tech’s money and bundling can’t easily copy.


    CHAPTERS

    01:03 Why Spotify and Netflix Succeeded

    06:13 Pure-Play Edge

    10:36 Speed & Ownership

    14:29 Survivorship Reality


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    11 February 2026, 12:49 pm
  • 38 minutes 27 seconds
    Inside Grammy Week: Galas, Deal Rooms, and “The Two Grammys”

    We just came back from the 68th Grammy Awards. I am joined by Tati Cirisano of MIDiA Research break down what it’s actually like to the experience the Grammys up close from industry events and late-night conversations to crossing paths with artists, executives, and power players shaping the music business. We unpack standout performances, unexpected moments, and how attending the show in person is different from watching at home.


    CHAPTERS


    01:43 Bad Bunny’s Big Night

    05:11 The Grammys In Person vs. On TV

    08:36 Lauryn Hill

    10:07 Cher on Stage

    14:02 Polymarket and the Grammys

    20:39 Grammy Week

    25:19 Big Changes Next Year


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    4 February 2026, 10:00 am
  • 18 minutes 59 seconds
    Can YouTube Have It All?

    YouTube is the biggest TV, music, and video platform in the world, but it’s not satisfied. The company still wants to compete for the dollars that go to traditional TV. But can YouTube have it all?

    In this episode, we examine YouTube’s push into the living room, from securing the NFL Sunday Ticket to becoming the exclusive home of the Oscars starting in 2029. But as YouTube chases TV legitimacy and higher profit margins, it faces a core tension: how can it get there without losing the creator-driven ethos that made it dominant.

    We break down YouTube’s battle for short-form dominance, where YouTube TV fits in, and what its evolving strategy reveals about the future of media, creators, and global attention.


    CHAPTERS

    02:12 YouTube’s Ambition

    04:59 YouTube vs TikTok

    10:04 YouTube TV

    13:16 Future of YouTube


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    23 January 2026, 2:36 pm
  • 22 minutes 58 seconds
    The Rise of Reels: Meta’s $50B Ad Machine


    Meta’s short-form video surface, Reels, now generates $50 billion in annual run rate. That’s more than some of the largest media companies like Netflix, TikTok, and YouTube’s ad business.

    Reels may be less culturally relevant than those companies, and its users spend less time on the platform than others, but it prints money and shows no signs of slowing down.

    This episode explores how Meta’s infrastructure made Reels one of the most successful monetization plays in modern tech and what could threaten its momentum next.


    CHAPTERS

    02:51 Culture vs. Cash

    04:30 How Reels Makes Money

    06:49 Meta’s Advantage

    15:34 Risks Ahead

    18:54 What’s Next for Reels


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    15 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 35 minutes 18 seconds
    Music is a $47 Billion Industry. Why Isn’t It Bigger?

    In this episode, we sit down with Will Page, economist and author of Pivot, for a deep dive on the global economics of music. Using Will’s latest Global Value of Music Copyright Report, we explore streaming economics, global market gaps, AI, and where the music industry’s next phase of growth may come from.


    CHAPTERS

    02:45 Global Value of Music: 10 Years in Review 11:24 Emerging Music Markets 13:37 Africa’s Music Economy 18:11 Brazil’s Music Market 21:12 The Crocodile Smile 33:18 AI and Music’s Future


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    GUEST

    Will Page, former Chief Economist of Spotify and PRS for Music, Author of Pivot


    LINKS

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    23 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 25 minutes 53 seconds
    Polymarket and Kalshi: Financial Tools or Casinos?

    Prediction markets like Polymarket and Kalshi have had a big year in 2025, but what are they really? Securities? Derivatives? Sportsbooks? They may be all of the above.

    Listen to my breakdown on how these markets have evolved over time, and what led to their current rise today. We then dive into the opportunities, risks, and the regulatory challenges that may shape their future.



    CHAPTERS

    02:54 The Origin of Prediction Markets

    06:43 Polymarket, Kalshi, and Modern Prediction Markets

    09:16 Regulation and What’s Next

    09:31 Bucket A: Policy, Finance, and Economics

    13:36 Bucket B: Sports, Entertainment, and Pop Culture



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    12 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 51 minutes 2 seconds
    How MTV Lost Its Way

    People say they miss when MTV played music videos, but their viewing habits say otherwise!

    We revisited one of our most popular episodes from 2023, but trimmed it down to include the best parts. I’m joined by Zack O’Malley Greenburg to unpack MTV’s rise from a scrappy video platform to a cultural powerhouse. We break down breakthrough moments like Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean”, the rise of reality TV, the networks influence, rise, fall, and what’s next?

    CHAPTERS

    01:04 The Birth of MTV 04:45 MTV's Business Model 13:01 Cultural Impact of Influence 21:28 Rise of Reality TV 29:59 MTV ‘s Decline


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    GUEST

    Zack O’Malley Greenburg, Author, Empire State of Mind


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    5 December 2025, 11:35 am
  • 15 minutes 45 seconds
    Five Bold Predictions: Netflix and Spotify, AI-Powered Industry, The Big 3’s Future, and More

    We continue our Trapital Summit series with Dan and MiDIA Research’s Tati Cirisano sharing bold predictions from Trapital Summit attendees and sharing their thoughts.

    We debate the long-term viability of major record labels, whether a Netflix + Spotify merger make sense (we recorded this before the podcast partnership!), we also discussed whether we’ll return to mass mainstream monoculture, future growth opportunities, and which new opportunities will be unlocked by AI-powered tools.


    CHAPTERS

    01:47 Future of Major Labels?

    03:58 Will Netflix and Spotify Ever Merge?

    05:52 A Return to Monoculture?

    09:06 Unprecedented Industry Growth?

    10:30 Will AI-Driven Labels Be The Future?


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    GUEST

    Tatiana Cirisano, VP Music Strategy, MIDiA Research


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    20 November 2025, 11:20 am
  • 38 minutes 8 seconds
    What's a Grammy Worth? New Voters, New Winners, and Rewriting History

    This episode is in partnership and collaboration with our friends at The Recording Academy

    You’ll hear our deep dive on what we can learn from this years Grammys with our usual analysis and a few select guests including: Panos Panay (President of The Recording Academy), Tati Cirisano (MIDiA Research), Zack O’Malley Greenburg, author and investor.

    We discuss the biggest takeaways from the 2026 nominations, the rise of international music, how the voting body has evolved, and the economic lift of a Grammy win.

    CHAPTERS

    01:41 - Biggest takeaways

    05:41 - Tati Cirisano joins us

    13:02 - Panos Panay joins us

    17:10 - Which past Grammys would have changed

    21:52 - The Grammy Bump

    33:10 - Zack Greenburg joins us

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    GUESTS Panos Panay, President, The Recording Academy

    Tatiana Cirisano, VP Music Strategy, MIDiA Research

    Zack O’Malley Greenburg, Author, Empire State of Mind



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    RESOURCES What is the Economic Value of a GRAMMY in Today’s Industry? - Chartmetric and Will Page

    13 November 2025, 11:09 am
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