The Fire Protection Podcast dives deep into topics of the fire protection industry. Fire alarm, sprinkler, suppression, extinguishers and other life safety systems are discussed. Leaders from all over the world talk about new technologies and processes that are helping improve the fire safety community.
Dr. Roger Reiswig, Industry Liaison at Johnson Controls, joins Drew for a conversation spanning nearly 40 years of fire alarm industry experience. Roger started as a Simplex technician in 1986 and now represents JCI across NFPA, UL, FM, and international organizations including the European Alarm Association (Uralarm).
Topics include how countries outside the US often adopt NFPA codes faster than US states, the differences between European EN standards and NFPA/UL requirements, Europe's mandatory smoke detector replacement cycles, the new 40-foot ceiling allowance for smoke detectors in NFPA 72, remote and automated inspection technology and its UL listing challenges, how UL and NFPA standards push each other forward, the birth of NFPA 3 and NFPA 4 for integrated testing (now showing up in building codes), Canada's ULC certification model, and the history of carbon monoxide detection moving from NFPA 720 into NFPA 72.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Cold open
0:27 - Episode intro
1:36 - Drew and Roger connect
2:14 - Global adoption of NFPA codes
3:39 - How aggressively other countries adopt new editions
5:03 - Why US states are slow to adopt
7:51 - Roger's career: Simplex technician to JCI liaison
10:15 - European standards (EN) vs NFPA
11:39 - Europe's smoke detector replacement requirements
14:15 - Smoke detector placement at 40-foot ceilings
17:08 - Remote and automated inspection technology
20:34 - UL listing challenges for remote testing
23:45 - Mass notification: UL 864 to UL 2572
24:34 - The 2010 NFPA 72 scope change
26:00 - NFPA 3 and NFPA 4 for integrated testing
29:49 - Canada's ULC standards vs US
32:13 - Carbon monoxide detection in NFPA 72
36:52 - How CO detectors are tested
39:11 - Wrap-up
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Bob Marshall, CEO of Whisker Labs, joins Drew Slocum on Episode 92 to discuss Ting, the IoT sensor that monitors home electrical systems for arcing hazards before they become fires. In this episode:
Bob also shares the personal story behind founding Whisker Labs and how their fire safety team works directly with homeowners and electricians to find and fix problems before they cause fires.
0:00 - Paper documents, hydrant flow testing, and lost inspection data
04:59 - Deficiencies are not a gotcha game
8:47 - Ontario Fire Code limits and NFPA 25 enforcement gaps
15:23 - Strategic planning and involving Al
20:20 - 2025 highlights, consistency, and "what I'd do differently"
24:05 - Current state of the fire protection industry
40:27 - Notable fire incidents & what we learned from real sprinkler activations
46:20 - Closing thoughts and Chris's podcast
Timestamps:
00:00 Why 2025 fire protection data matters
02:47 2025 fire protection industry report preview
06:28 Why fire protection businesses need a tech stack
08:42 Inspection dollars vs service proposals
11:46 Deficiency approvals and compliance platforms
17:05 Common fire inspection deficiencies
24:53 NFPA questions and inspection data quality
29:42 Growth of regional fire protection companies
36:40 2026 outlook and Al in fire inspection
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introducing today's guest
01:57 - Launching the first Al agent
04:19 - How AI adoption changes business processes
06:58 - Code complexity in fire protection
09:30 - Generative Al vs agentic Al explained
12:10 - How data supports better decisions
14:39 - FireCAD design assistant and design workflow gains
18:56 - Passion, innovation, and industry growth
19:49 - OEMs, contractors, and AI-enabled data flow
25:24 - Using AI for simple tasks and avoiding hallucinations
29:45 - The rapid shift toward AI in fire protection
32:02- Favorite Al-themed films
34:35 - Closing thoughts and future direction
In this episode of The Fire Protection Podcast, host Drew Slocum sits down with Grant Lobdell, President of Dyne Fire Protection Labs, to discuss one of the most pressing issues facing the fire protection industry today—sprinkler testing and system maintenance.
Grant shares insights on Dyne’s acquisition by NFPA Global Solutions and how this new initiative supports NFPA’s life safety mission. The conversation takes a serious turn as Drew and Grant unpack the tragic Fall River, Massachusetts fire, where recalled O-ring sprinkler heads failed to activate—an incident underscoring the critical importance of regular inspection, testing, and maintenance under NFPA 25.
They also dive into the new partnership between Inspect Point and Dyne, designed to streamline how contractors and building owners identify, test, and replace aging or defective sprinklers. The episode closes with updates from Dyne’s lab on the transition from fluorinated foams to fluorine-free alternatives, and what that means for contractors navigating environmental regulations and system performance.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro and Episode Overview
02:21 Meet Grant Lobdell and Dyne Labs
07:32 O-Ring Recalls and Failure Rates
11:15 NFPA 25 Testing Requirements
18:00 Simplifying Inspections Through Partnerships
21:07 Testing Cycles and Code Changes
23:42 Interpreting Results and Owner Duties
27:21 Foam Systems and Regulatory Updates
34:48 Closing Remarks
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
02:15 Jason’s Background and GEM Systems
03:40 Integrating Design, Engineering, and Distribution
07:47 Navigating COVID-19 and Supply Chain Shifts
12:06 Expanding into Sprinkler Design
15:20 AI, Data Centers & Code Shifts
17:44 Connectivity, Safety & Working Together
22:17 Codes, Compliance, and Public Safety
23:58 Efficiency, Software, and Real-Time Solutions
26:22 From Soccer Fields to Fire Systems
28:05 Business Growth, ERP, and Integration Challenges
32:10 Training, Partnerships, and Future Initiatives
34:25 Where to Find GEM Systems and Closing Remarks
00:00 Introduction & Conference Recap
03:50 Jim's Background, NFPA's History and Mission
10:49 Public Awareness & "Code for Every Moment" Campaign
14:15 NFPA's Fire & Life Safety Ecosystem
16:18 Reverse Renovations with Jonathan Scott
18:23 Real-World Code Application & Lessons from Tragedies
21:54 How Codes and Standards Are Written
24:43 Code Update Cycles and Politics
28:58 Making Codes Approachable and Industry Sustainability
39:08 Al's Role and Risks in Fire Protection
43:12 The Nuances of Codes, Standards, and Al
46:52 Closing Thoughts and Passion for the Job
Timestamps
00:00 Welcome & Introduction
02:35 Karsten’s Journey into Fire Protection
07:26 Why Recurring Revenue Matters
09:32 Turning Installs into Service Contracts
11:13 Customer Service as a Growth Driver
13:09 AHJ Compliance Platforms & Industry Shifts
14:28 Navigating Local Jurisdiction Challenges
18:18 Risk Management and System Types
19:33 Karsten’s Favorite Systems to Work On
24:45 Suppression Systems & Market Competition
26:19 Restaurant Stories from the Field
28:15 Embracing Technology and AI in Fire Protection
33:02 Private Equity & The Industry’s Future
34:48 ACE Fire’s Online Presence
35:41 Closing Takeaways
Timestamps
00:00 Introducing Rob Stewart and Fire Tech
02:51 Real-World Fire Protection Stories
06:36 Rob’s Background and Industry Goals
09:10 Fire Protection Training Needs & Demographics
11:48 Cross-Training Between Sprinkler & Alarm Disciplines
14:35 Documentation Challenges & The Role of the Back Office
20:00 Evolving Codes, Jurisdictional Differences, and AHJ Influence
22:24 Updating Training to NFPA & NICET Standards
24:16 Regional Code Variations
25:37 Digital Documentation vs. Static Forms
29:12 Building a Company-Wide Training Plan
33:13 The ROI of Training: Real Cost-Savings Examples
40:50 Personal Reflections: Lake Havasu & Industry Insights
42:13 Closing Thoughts