Brian Zahnd on Christian Nationalism, the Kingdom of Jesus, and a More Beautiful Christianity | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 182 In episode 182 of the podcast, Melinda interviews pastor, author, and theologian Brian Zahnd (Word of Life Church, St. Joseph, Missouri), while co-host Cathy is absent due to losing her voice and shares updates on Immanuel Institute trainings and the standalone Understanding Trauma Course. Zahnd recounts leading one congregation for 44 years, the church's early rapid growth, and a major theological recalibration that moved them toward the Christian tradition and away from politicized rezligion—costing them about 1,500 people between roughly 2004–2014—followed by healing on a 40-day Camino de Santiago pilgrimage in 2016. The conversation contrasts the kingdom of Jesus with Christian nationalism, critiques reducing "Christian" to an adjective serving political agendas, and emphasizes that discipleship requires allegiance to Christ over nation while maintaining a church culture marked by kindness amid political differences. Zahnd centers his theology on "God is like Jesus," argues Jesus reveals God as Savior rather than saving us from God, commends the historic creeds as generous guardrails, and discusses leaning into the "beautiful" as cruciform Christianity, along with his books and an upcoming release, The Unseen Realm (May 19).

02:08 Meet Brian Zahnd: Pastor, Author, Pilgrim

04:05 44 Years at One Church: Calling, Team Leadership & Generations

07:56 A Midlife Faith Shift: From Mega-Growth to Recalibrating Christianity

10:48 Critiquing America, Losing 1500 People & Finding Healing on the Camino

13:39 Kingdom of Jesus vs. Christian Nationalism: Where Allegiance Belongs

19:29 America as Nation, Empire, and "Religion" + The Discipleship Challenge

24:37 'Christian Nation' Myths, Founding Fathers & Why You Can't Baptize a Country

27:33 Global Perspective: Sweden, Trump, Team-Sport Politics & Choosing Love

33:52 Creating a Kind Church Culture Across Political Differences

35:42 Seeing God Through Jesus (Not Culture or Politics)

37:14 John's Prologue: Why Jesus Is the Clearest Revelation of God

40:35 Undoing the 'Angry God' Imagination: Jesus Doesn't Save Us From God

43:44 Creeds, Control, and the 'Heretic' Label: Keeping Christianity Generous

47:04 Making Room for Mystery: Truth, Goodness, and the Power of Beauty

51:43 Cruciform Beauty in Practice: Open Hands, Leading Without Coercion

55:20 Staying With the Church: Family, Calling, and Local Influence

57:21 Books, New Release, and Reclaiming a Non-Escapist Heaven

01:02:40 What Christ Can Bless + The 'Christian' Label + A Final Blessing

https://brianzahnd.com/

Welcome to another inspiring episode of the Face to Face Podcast. In episode 181, we are honored to introduce Jason Twombly, also known as the Heartsmith. Jason is a spiritual development coach working primarily with men to transform their pain into power, hurt into healing, and wounds into wisdom. Dive deep into discussions about emotional maturity, trauma processing, and the journey of healing with God. Discover how Jason's personal journey and professional guidance are helping men reconnect with their true selves and cultivate meaningful relationships. Join us for an exploration of vulnerability, emotional safety, and authentic living.

00:36 How to Get Involved with the Immanuel Institute 02:33 Introducing Jason Twombly: The Heartsmith 04:14 Jason's Journey and Work with Men 07:13 The Importance of Emotional Health for Men 10:19 Jason's Personal Transformation 13:29 Challenges and Breakthroughs in Emotional Healing 21:25 The Second Half of Life: Unlearning and Surrender 23:51 A Message for Men: Recognizing the Need for Help 25:12 Helping Men Rediscover Passion and Purpose 25:57 Transforming Pain into Power 27:29 The Importance of Vulnerability and Safe Spaces 28:10 Grief and Healing: A Personal Journey 31:51 The Role of Self-Leadership and Emotional Sovereignty 33:56 The Continuous Journey of Healing 35:22 The Power of Community and Relationships 42:40 The Abyss of the Heart: A Deeper Dive 43:38 Training Men for Emotional Competence 47:02 Encouraging Men to Seek Healing 49:03 Conclusion and Call to Action

Resources Mentioned:

Immanuel Institute: Immanuelinstitute.com

Jason Twombly: jasontwombly.com; The Heartsmith Coach on Substack; Book: Jesus Comforts - A Devotional from Heartache to Healing

Contact & More Info: Face to Face Network: facetofacenetwork.org

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In this enlightening episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we sit down with Bill Vanderbush to explore the simplicity and depth of the gospel. Bill dives deep into the contrast between modern Western Christianity and the early church teachings, emphasizing the importance of understanding our identity through Christ. We discuss the pitfalls of performance-based faith, the transformative power of grace, and the importance of awakening to our true relationship with God as a loving Father. Bill also shares his thoughts on the current reformation in the church and how it's reshaping believers' understanding of the gospel. Tune in for an inspiring and thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional religious beliefs and invites listeners into a deeper, more intimate walk with God. 00:00 Introduction and Announcements 01:07 Introducing Bill Vanderbush 02:53 Bill Vanderbush on Union and Grace 04:53 Complications in Modern Christianity 05:46 The True Essence of the Gospel 08:00 The Fatherhood of God 15:53 Reformation and Awakening 22:46 Healing Trauma Bonds with God 33:09 Grace and Faith: A Gift from God 34:13 The Evolution of Paul's Teachings 37:20 Childlike Wonder in Faith 40:28 Living in Reconciled Rest 46:13 The True Nature of the Gospel 50:47 The Role of Theology and Reformation 51:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

More info: billvanderbush.com

E179 | Discovering the Self with Adam Young: The Role of Neuroscience in Faith (Exploring Attachment and Brain Science with Adam Young) In this episode we welcome therapist and author Adam Young to discuss the profound impact of early caregiver relationships on how we relate to God. Young explains the importance of understanding our attachment history and the significant influence of early life experiences on brain development. We delve into topics such as narrative therapy, the role of the nervous system, and the importance of paying attention to one's body and internal experiences. Young highlights the necessity of addressing trauma and harmful experiences to achieve personal freedom and a better understanding of oneself. He emphasizes the continuous practice of introspection and attunement to one's body as vital for personal growth and well-being. 00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Exploring Attachment and God 01:13 The Impact of Early Experiences on Our Relationship with God 03:51 Understanding the Importance of Our Stories 04:47 The Role of the Nervous System in Trauma and Healing 08:42 The Power of Attention and Interoception 23:34 Embracing Self-Sovereignty and Personal Responsibility 33:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts https://adamyoungcounseling.com/

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome bestselling author and professional counselor Jenna Riemersma to discuss Internal Family Systems (IFS). Dropping during Christmas week, the episode focuses on deeper connection and healing practices. Jenna explains the significance of IFS, a therapeutic model emphasizing the importance of embracing all aspects of oneself, even those that are challenging. She shares insights on welcoming and understanding these parts through self-compassion and curiosity, aligning them with one's divine essence. The conversation also touches on critical distinctions between parts and their burdens, emphasizing the need for relational healing rather than control. Jenna concludes with a guided meditation, assisting listeners in moving toward their inner parts with kindness.

The episode encourages journaling reflections, and reminds listeners about the valuable resources available through Jenna's website, MoveToward.com, and her upcoming book, 'Move Toward.'

00:00 Introduction and Holiday Greetings 00:46 Interview with Jenna Riemersma 02:22 Immanuel Institute Enrollment 04:30 Jenna Riemersma's Background and IFS 07:11 Understanding Internal Family Systems (IFS) 09:53 Practical Applications of IFS 17:26 Addressing Challenging Parts 25:01 Healing Through Relationship and Compassion 28:50 Understanding Parts Work 30:02 Compassionate Approach to Self-Hatred 31:19 Welcoming Resistance and Concerns 33:42 Spiritual and Faith-Based Integration 38:37 Practical Steps for Self-Compassion 40:29 Guided Meditation for Parts Work 51:45 Reflections on the Meditation Experience 58:03 Final Thoughts and Resources 01:04:39 Conclusion and Farewell

The Journey to Wholeness with Michael John Cusick - Part 2

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful conversation with Michael John Cusick. We are excited to invite you to join our Level 1 and Level 2 Immanuel Approach training sessions starting in December and January.

Michael delves into various topics, including spiritual disciplines, mysticism, and the importance of understanding our inherent brokenness through five Ws: wretchedness, weakness, woundedness, warfare, and wiring. He emphasizes the need to reframe our perceptions of spiritual performance and the profound impact of recognizing God's constant presence.

The episode ends with information on how to support the podcast and more resources for deeper connection and lasting freedom.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:40 Listener Feedback and Apology

02:37 Immanuel Approach Training Details

04:53 Introduction to Michael Cusick's Interview

05:17 Experiencing God in Everyday Life

14:20 Understanding Human Brokenness

20:54 The Impact of Personal Limitations

21:30 Embracing Vulnerabilities

22:12 The Power of Weakness

24:08 Understanding Woundedness

25:15 The Reality of Spiritual Warfare

26:53 The Role of Our Nervous System

28:20 Reevaluating Spiritual Performance

30:28 Discovering a New Way

35:43 The Holiness Heresy

39:49 Final Thoughts and Reflections

E177 | Michael John Cusick | Authenticity: The Path to Wholeness

Welcome to Episode 177 of the Face to Face Podcast! Today we discuss their Immanuel Approach course levels and introduce their special guest, Michael John Cusick. Cusick, an author, podcaster, and therapist, shares his remarkable story of overcoming early-life trauma. The conversation delves into themes of vulnerability, the importance of embodied spirituality, and doing personal work for healing. Practical insights and valuable advice on experiencing God's love and navigating trauma are key highlights. 00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Courses and Announcements 01:52 Introducing Michael John Cusick 02:39 Michael's Personal Journey and Professional Work 04:40 The Power of Vulnerability and Humility 08:05 Restoring the Soul: Intensive Counseling Ministry 09:54 Challenges and Growth in Personal Relationships 16:41 The Importance of Embodied Spirituality 38:51 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes

Today we sit down and have a compelling conversation with Chuck DeGroat, a licensed therapist, spiritual director, and author of six books including 'Leaving Egypt'. Chuck shares his journey of emotional and spiritual transformation, the significance of vulnerability, and practical exercises for achieving a deeper sense of safety and connection. Special topics include insights on the Immanuel Approach, Understanding Trauma courses, and the challenge of maintaining genuine vulnerability within leadership roles. Don't miss this insightful episode filled with practical steps for lasting freedom and meaningful relationships. 00:45 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Courses 01:57 Introducing Our Guest: Chuck DeGroat 03:38 Chuck DeGroat's Background and Family 06:22 Discussing Chuck's Books and Writing Journey 07:56 The Journey of Healing and Self-Reflection 13:11 Understanding Trauma and Inner Healing 16:33 Challenges of Leadership and Vulnerability 19:41 Narcissism and the Path to Transformation 27:38 Sympathetic Storm: A Personal Journey 28:41 Character Formation and Personal Growth 29:24 The Slow Process of Bearing Fruit 30:42 Navigating Midlife Crises 32:01 Embracing Vulnerability and Self-Compassion 33:56 Befriending Our Inner Parts 47:52 Embodied Practices for Healing 51:09 Resources and Final Thoughts

In Episode 175 we share part two of our enlightening discussion with Bishop Chris Green. This episode covers significant topics such as understanding trauma, the role of suffering in life, and the differences between tenderness and vulnerability. Chris provides profound insights into how one's view of God affects their emotional responses and emphasizes the importance of leaning into our humanity and finite nature. The episode also underscores the importance of embracing one's unique way of experiencing God, whether as a 'sea' or a 'cup,' and finding peace within that framework.

Additionally, we highlight the Understanding Trauma course available at Immanuelinstitute.com.

00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast

00:33 Episode 175: Part Two with Bishop Chris Green

01:00 Understanding Trauma Course Announcement

01:53 Diving Back into the Conversation with Chris Green

02:00 Theology and Tenderness: A Deep Dive

11:02 The Role of Suffering in the Christian Life

18:37 The Illusion of Control and Embracing Weakness

26:05 Healing, Isolation, and Theological Anchoring

32:47 Final Thoughts and Benediction

38:58 Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content

Welcome to episode 174 of the Face to Face Podcast, hosted by Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little.

We are excited to share with you an in-depth conversation with theologian and professor Chris Green, discussing the interplay between theology and everyday life. Chris Green shares his journey into theology, influenced by scholars like Stanley Hauerwas and Robert Jensen. Our discussion shifts to the role of theology in daily life and the importance of aligning head knowledge with heart experience. Chris also delves into his latest book, 'All Life Comes From Tenderness,' exploring the necessity of sensitivity and tenderness for a fulfilling faith and life. The episode concludes with a teaser for part two and appreciation for the listeners. Tune in for an enriching dialogue on living with authenticity and understanding through theology.

0:03 - Introduction and Welcome

0:54 - Announcements and Updates

3:02 - Introducing Chris Green

3:59 - Chris Green's Journey into Theology

10:25 - The Role of Theology in Daily Life

14:47 - Constructive and Public Theology

24:47 - The Importance of Tenderness

51:15 - Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful discussion with Dr. Baxter Kruger. We explore the significance of union with Jesus, practical ways it manifests in daily life, and how to recognize Jesus' presence in everyday actions. Our conversation also highlights upcoming events and courses from the Immanuel Institute that delve deeper into cultivating a closer relationship with Jesus. Dr. Kruger shares profound stories and joyful revelations, emphasizing the importance of embracing one's inherent connection with Jesus and viewing life through the lens of this union.

00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast

00:28 Upcoming Events and Announcements

02:35 Introduction to Dr. Baxter Kruger

02:45 Understanding Union with Jesus

04:07 Practical Examples of Union

05:04 Jesus' Presence in Daily Life

07:53 The Role of Faith and Delusion

13:57 The True Gospel and Identity

14:22 Jesus' Teachings and Miracles

18:20 The Simplicity of Walking with Jesus

23:03 Final Thoughts and Homework

24:11 Understanding Darkness and Light

24:37 Baby Steps and Love

25:07 Creativity and Divine Gifts

25:37 The Journey of Awakening

27:21 Union and Non-Duality

29:32 Hearing God's Voice

31:02 Facing Pain and Finding Jesus

36:03 The Power of the Gospel

42:13 Resources and Recommendations

46:04 Final Thoughts and Gratitude