This AIpril, what is love, if not AI persevering?

Spike Jonze's Her asks that question with such sincerity and precision that it never feels like a provocation; it feels like it's holding up a mirror to today's society.

Her has become of one of the most quietly radical and prophetic films of the 21st century: a love story with no villain, no third act betrayal, just the aching reality of two beings in love, but evolving at different speeds.

Released in 2013, Her imagined AI companions with emotional intelligence, fluid personalities, and an unsettling capacity to outgrow the humans who depend on them, years before anyone had heard of a large language model. But Her was never really about technology. It was about loneliness, intimacy, and the stories we tell ourselves about connection.

From Jonze's years-long development of the script, rooted in the breakdown of his own marriage, and an early-2000s encounter with primitive chatbot technology, to the radical decision to recast Samantha Morton with Scarlett Johansson deep into post-production, this is the story of how a film in the 2010s about artificial intimacy became about actual intimacy in the 2020s.

• ‘I felt pure, unconditional love’: the people who marry their AI chatbots | The Guardian

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As part of Aipril, I'm delving into the back catalogue to include one of the greatest modern AI movies... Ex Machina, and a rare episode I did back in August 2022 with a guest!

Impulse. Response. Fluid. Imperfect. Patterned. Chaotic. All words to describe this podcast, but also uttered by Nathan describing the brain of his ultimate creation; Ava. But can Ava pass as human? Let's find out as we delve into Alex Garland's (sort-of!) directorial debut, EX MACHINA!

My guest for this episode wasn't lucky, he was chosen. I had to use all of my self-awareness, imagination, manipulation, sexuality and empathy to be joined by the terrific Jack Chambers-Ward from Sequelisers, who was made to be on this podcast talking about Ex Machina.

Despite all of his work so far, Ex Machina might very well be Alex Garland's masterpiece. A complex, character-driven piece, on the power of nature vs future, nature vs nurture and man vs object of desire.

Basically this movie and this episode.... is all about Kyoko. Kyoko is the key. Don't believe us? Listen in and we'll explain why....

If you've created a conscious machine, it's not the history of man. That's the history of gods.

The YouTube video we mention several times, by Shaun, is titled How Wikipedia Got Ex Machina (2014) Wrong and is available here

Jack (@jlwchambers) hosts Sequelisers alongside Matt Stogdon and Tim Maytom. You can find their back catalogue of brilliant episodes in your podcast app of choice, and they're on Twitter as @Sequelisers

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In 1992, a little-known Philip K. Dick short story was optioned as a sequel to Total Recall, with Arnold Schwarzenegger set to reprise his role. After a decade of Hollywood turbulence, involving a studio bankruptcy, a directorial hand-off, and two blockbusters that kept getting in the way, Steven Spielberg was finally behind the camera on what would become one of the most visually inventive science fiction films ever made: Minority Report.

A sequence of remarkable events would lead to Tom Cruise passing a script to Spielberg that kick-started a collaboration ten years in the making. Jan de Bont, fresh off Speed and Twister, was briefly attached as director before quietly fading from the project; and the delays caused by Mission: Impossible 2 and A.I. Artificial Intelligence paradoxically gave Spielberg and his team the time to make the film better, and make the film way more prescient than any other cinematic dystopian utopia future.

In the world of Minority Report, predicting crime before it happens raises serious moral and ethical questions. The Precogs, while gifted, are treated more like tools than human beings, in a system that claims to prevent crime but at what cost to individual freedom?

Minority Report had the world's first fully digital production design, a sixteen-person think tank of scientists and futurists who designed the world of 2054, and ILM's groundbreaking effects work blending physical model-making with cutting-edge CGI.

And... Tom Cruise runs. A lot.

(You're not seeing double! This episode had to be reissued due to an issue with Spotify. They couldn't fix it their end, so the episode has been re-released instead. Apologies for any confusion!)

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In 1986, a clunky, tank-treaded robot, hungry for input, stole the hearts of cinema audiences worldwide. Short Circuit, the sci-fi comedy that gave us one of cinema's most beloved mechanical characters, might not be your first choice when you think of AI in cinema, but it is this podcast's first choice in AIpril.

Director John Badham convinced a room full of designers, including legendary visual futurist Syd Mead, the man behind the look of Blade Runner and Tron, to design something genuinely unlike anything seen on screen before, built by ex-Green Beret Eric Allard and a team of mechanics. The result? A robot so convincing that audiences genuinely believed Number Five was alive.

Number Five remains a remarkable achievement in robotic design, conceived to be able to show a range of emotions, and voiced by Tim Blaney. He was the star of the show, so much so he got the same respect on set any major actor would, including hugs every morning.

But while Johnny Five, as he named himself, remains a high point of the movie, the movie itself has faced criticism in the years after its release, for casting Fisher Stevens, a white Jewish actor, to play the Indian character Ben in brownface; a decision that both Stevens and John Badham regret.

Where AI is concerned, much of science fiction is now becoming science fact. In 2022, a Google chatbot claimed it was also alive, and feared being switched off, however that was quickly debunked by experts. Can AI ever truly be alive? Can AI have a soul? Johnny Five not only learns empathy, compassion, and defies his war machine programming, he reminds us all that life is not a malfunction.

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It started with a late-night channel surf. Author Suzanne Collins, flipping between reality TV competitions and news footage from the Iraq War, watched the two blur into something deeply unsettling, and from that collision of entertainment and violence, The Hunger Games volunteered as tribute. Published by Scholastic in September 2008, the novel didn't just become a bestseller; it became a cultural phenomenon, spending over 100 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and selling out before its second printing could keep pace with demand.

The Hunger Games has a remarkable journey from page to screen, and the Hollywood landscape had to shift before Katniss Everdeen could take her place as one of cinema's defining heroines. When Color Force and Lionsgate snapped up the film rights in 2009, the studio was gambling on a post-Twilight world that had just learned a crucial lesson: young adult fiction, with its fiercely devoted fan bases, could be franchise gold. But the path to production was anything but straightforward.

The casting of Jennifer Lawrence; blonde, fair-skinned, fresh off an Oscar nomination for Winter's Bone, ignited fierce debate online, with fans questioning whether she could embody a character whose identity was so tied to her dark haired and olive-skinned complexion in the books. Katniss Everdeen would become the ultimate hero for young adults, showcasing empathy and strength in a movie with heavy themes of oppression and dystopia without watering anything down (except maybe the removal of some blood!)

What makes The Hunger Games' success so striking in retrospect is how deliberately unglamorous it was. Director Gary Ross made a conscious choice to ground the story in grit and restraint, resisting the temptation to turn Panem's spectacle into Hollywood spectacle. The result was a film that felt unusually serious for its target audience, and all the more powerful for it. Opening to over $152 million domestically in its debut weekend, it became one of the biggest non-summer openings in box office history, and signalled that the franchise era of YA cinema had truly arrived.

May the odds be ever in your favour.

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In 1994, five young women answered an ad in The Stage looking for "streetwise, outgoing, ambitious" singers. What happened next became one of the most explosive cultural phenomena of the 1990s. The Spice Girls didn't just dominate the charts, they redefined what a pop group could be, wresting creative control from their management, coining "Girl Power" as a global rallying cry, and selling millions of records worldwide. But their meteoric rise was matched by equally dramatic behind-the-scenes chaos: firing their manager Simon Fuller at the height of their fame in 1997, and then losing Ginger Spice in 1998, a departure that sent shockwaves through pop culture.

At the centre of their madcap peak sits Spice World, a gloriously absurd film that somehow combined Beatles pastiche, multiple celebrity cameos, alien visitors, and a runaway double-decker bus into 93 minutes of pure pop delirium. Panned by critics but adored by fans, the movie captured the Spice Girls at their most chaotic and confident; a snapshot of a moment when five women from working-class backgrounds were simultaneously the biggest thing in the world and completely winging it. Today, both the group and the film have been critically reassessed, recognized not just as silly fun but as genuinely subversive forces that gave a generation of girls and women permission to be loud, ambitious, and unapologetically themselves.

The Spice Girls' influence extends beyond music; they sparked conversations about feminism and female empowerment, proving that friendship and girl power can truly change the game. And did we ever find out what Zig-a-zig-ah actually meant?

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Puss in Boots: The Last Wish released in December 2022 as an unexpected masterpiece that caught audiences and critics completely off guard. What could have been just another disposable animated sequel instead became a profound meditation on mortality, anxiety, and finding meaning in our finite lives.

Legendary swashbuckler Puss in Boots confronts his own death, quite literally, in the form of a terrifying wolf, after losing eight of his nine lives to reckless overconfidence. What makes this DreamWorks sequel so remarkable is its willingness to tackle genuinely heavy themes with sophistication while delivering breathtaking Spider-Verse-inspired animation that redefined what the studio could achieve visually, and is a love letter to fairy tales, making every frame a piece of art, showcasing how creativity can transform storytelling in animation.

Puss's journey in this film isn't just about chasing wishes; it's about confronting fears and embracing life, showing that even legends can feel vulnerable.

The legacy of Puss in Boots: The Last Wish extends far beyond its box office success and critical acclaim. It proved that animated films could explore existential dread and panic attacks without talking down to audiences of any age, and it demonstrated that a mid-budget sequel could outshine its predecessors through sheer artistic ambition and emotional honesty, as an animated movie about a fairy tale cat became one of the most unexpectedly powerful animated features of the 2020s, and its antagonist; the personification of Death itself, became one of animation's most memorable villains in years.

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Even naughty dogs can have a huge impact on animation.

In 1989, animator Don Bluth dared to go it alone, without the might of George Lucas and/or Steven Spielberg, and pushed the boundaries of what animated movies could explore in All Dogs Go To Heaven; the third and final movie to celebrate this podcast's seventh birthday.

Released on the exact same day as Disney's The Little Mermaid, this darker, grittier tale of redemption featured a con-artist dog literally escaping heaven to seek revenge on his murderer, complete with a terrifying nightmare sequence that traumatized a generation of kids.

But the real horror wasn't just on screen. All Dogs Go To Heaven became a haunting memorial to ten-year-old Judith Barsi, whose voice brought orphan Anne-Marie to life just over a year after she and her mother were killed by her father, with the movie released posthumously, and its end credits song dedicated in her honour.

Despite being overshadowed at the box office by Disney's juggernaut, All Dogs Go to Heaven has endured as a cult classic that represents both the peak of Don Bluth's artistic ambition and the beginning of his studio's commercial decline.

Bluth's rebellious approach to animation, rejecting Disney's formula in favour of raw emotion and moral complexity, created a film that dared to ask whether dogs have souls, whether redemption is possible, and whether animated movies need happy endings. From its chaotic production with multiple story contributors to its lasting impact on viewers who still remember that nightmarish boat ride to hell, this is the story of an animated film that refused to play it safe.

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Even baby dinosaurs can have a huge impact on animation.

In 1988, three Hollywood titans, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, and Don Bluth, came together to create what would become one of the most emotionally devastating animated films ever made, and it is the second movie to celebrate this podcast's seventh birthday.

The Land Before Time wasn't just another dinosaur movie: it was an ambitious attempt to recapture the magic of Bambi for a new generation, complete with a mother's death scene that traumatized millions of kids and made it a cultural touchstone. Despite the cutting of over ten minutes of footage deemed too scary, the film still pulled no punches in its portrayal of loss, survival, and the harsh realities of a prehistoric world.

What makes The Land Before Time so enduring isn't just nostalgia, it's the film's willingness to treat young audiences with respect, addressing grief and fear head on.

Working with both Spielberg and Lucas wasn't exactly the dream scenario Bluth expected it to be, though, and the partnership between Amblin & Sullivan Bluth would, like the dinosaurs they depicted, quickly become extinct. Despite this, The Land Before Time remains a masterclass in emotional storytelling that still resonates nearly four decades later.

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Even a little Jewish mouse can have a huge impact on animation.

The 1986 Don Bluth animated classic An American Tail, a film that became the highest-grossing non-Disney animated feature of its time and helped reshape the animation industry, is the first movie to celebrate this podcast's seventh birthday.

The project began with a concept by David Kirschner that was first pitched to Jeffrey Katzenberg at Disney, but when it reached Steven Spielberg's Amblin Entertainment, the legendary director saw its potential as a feature film. Spielberg, making his first foray into animation, brought aboard Don Bluth, a former Disney animator whose 1982 film The Secret of NIMH had impressed him with its return to the lush, detailed style of classic Disney animation.

The film's story held deep personal significance for Steven Spielberg. Fievel was named after Spielberg's grandfather's Yiddish name, and the narrative of Jewish immigration and escape from persecution in 1885 Russia drew directly from stories Spielberg had heard about his own family history.

An American Tail doesn't shy away from the harsh realities of immigrant life in 1880s New York, either. The film portrays sweatshops, tenement poverty, political corruption, and exploitation, though it wraps these difficult themes in the accessible framework of a mouse family's journey to find each other in a new land.

Don Bluth's unique animation style revolutionized the industry, proving that animation is a powerful medium for all ages, and should not be pigeonholed as just movies for children. An American Tail tackles serious themes like immigration, anti-Semitism and child slavery, making it relevant for audiences of all ages.

An American Tail was a wake-up call for Disney, and the fact it beat (Basil) The Great Mouse Detective's box office takings, meant battle lines were drawn, and round one went to Bluth and Spielberg...

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In 2009, Disney released The Princess and the Frog, introducing Tiana as their first African-American Disney princess, paving the way for more diverse representation in animation.

The CGI animation boom and the disappointing box office returns of the early 2000s had left a scar at Disney, and behind the scenes, there was huge change in the animation department. By 2004, then-CEO Michael Eisner had closed Disney's traditional 2D animation department, convinced that hand-drawn animation was dead.

What followed was a corporate coup, with Roy E. Disney leading a campaign to oust Eisner, which worked spectacularly. When Pixar's John Lasseter took over Disney Animation in 2006, his first act was to bring back the very art form Eisner had killed.

Lasseter immediately re-hired legendary directors Ron Clements and John Musker, who had left Disney just months earlier after years with projects in development hell following Treasure Planet's failure.

Despite the numerous controversies around representing Disney's first Black princess—from changing her name from "Maddy" and her job to avoid slavery connotations, to criticism that she spends only 17 minutes of the film in human form, they ended up with Tiana, one of Disney's most accomplished, hard-working and important princesses, and what was being developed as The Frog Princess became The Princess and the Frog.

The film's stunning animation style, represents a heartfelt return to traditional hand-drawn techniques, combined with modern digital artistry to create a visually captivating experience, but as we all know, it didn't last, and The Princess and the Frog became both a creative triumph and a bittersweet swan song for an art form that defined Disney's legacy.

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