This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Kris Ingersoll (Media/Lit, Batman By The Numbers) to talk about the 1990 World's Finest miniseries! We dig into how this story redefined the dynamic between Superman and Batman, the tone of early '90s DC, and why this team-up still holds up decades later.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: December 5, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Outline

️ Introduction to Podcast and Guests (00:00 - 02:51)

• Hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson introduce the episode and guest Kris Ingersoll, who runs a Batman podcast and co-hosts Media Lit podcast.

• Topic: The 1990 DC Comics miniseries World's Finest by Dave Gibbons and Steve Rood.

Contextual Background of the 1990 World's Finest (02:51 - 05:34)

• The miniseries releases shortly after Crisis on Infinite Earths and John Byrne's Man of Steel reboot (1986).

• Post-Dark Knight Returns, Batman and Superman's relationship had changed, characterized by distance rather than camaraderie.

️ Plot Overview (05:34 - 08:14)

• Lex Luthor and Joker team up to take over Gotham and Metropolis with intertwined but largely separate schemes.

• Batman and Superman investigate, culminating in events involving an orphanage, a nuclear reactor, and city-wide explosions.

Decompression and Story Structure Critique (08:14 - 11:34)

• Discussion of story pacing issues: The narrative is elongated with side elements (e.g., orphan kids) that do not cohesively tie in.

• Emphasis on character moments over tight plotting.

Initial Impressions and Artistic Elements (11:34 - 17:59)

• Chris praises the visual storytelling and art, referencing the use of parallel imagery and distinctive flashback watercolor style.

• Noted the deliberate design choices to echo Silver Age and Max Fleischer era Superman and early Batman.

‍️ Characterization of Villains and Supporting Cast (17:59 - 30:39)

• Joker portrayed in a "zany," less menacing mode, more a prankster than murderously malicious.

• Lex Luthor features a robotic hand and operates like a mob boss, balancing businessman and villain traits.

Character Dynamics and Relationships (30:39 - 40:21)

• Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne's interactions highlight mutual suspicion and gradual respect.

• Batman and Superman's knowledge of each other's secret identities is subtle initially, revealed more overtly in third issue.

️ Themes and Continuity Notes (40:21 - 50:27)

• Orphanage is a thematic midpoint between Gotham and Metropolis, symbolizing shared orphan backgrounds of Batman, Superman, and villain.

• The book emphasizes orphans and legacy but does not fully develop these thematic elements.

Technical and Artistic Praise (50:27 - 52:58)

• Art and character design praised for classic yet fresh look; great use of tableau pages showing Gotham and Metropolis.

• Noted the Batmobile's stylish design and Batman's athletic, sleek physique.

Character in Action: Batman and Superman (52:58 - 59:55)

• Batman characterized as efficient, brutal, and action-focused. His use of Batarangs and disguises recognized as authentic.

• Superman rendered as powerful but more grounded Burn era 'cop,' balancing investigative journalism and heroic strength.

Artistic and Thematic Highlights (59:55 - 01:09:46)

• Memorable moments include Superman carrying a nuclear reactor into space to save Metropolis.

• Subtle details such as Clark Kent's mannerisms and investigative approach noted.

Overall Assessment and Legacy (01:09:46 - 01:14:36)

• The miniseries serves as a valuable snapshot of Batman and Superman dynamics post-Crisis and pre-mid-90s crossovers.

• While the narrative is considered "vibes-over-story," the series offers essential character moments, iconic imagery, and era-specific continuity.

Conclusion and Promotions (01:14:36 - 01:19:44)

• Guests share social media handles and podcast info.

• Hosts plug "Trade School" podcast and Certain POV Discord for further comic discussions.

No guests this time — just Case and Jmike diving into Naomi, both the first comic volume by Brian Michael Bendis, David F. Walker, and Jamal Campbell, and the CW pilot it inspired! We unpack her origins, the themes of identity and legacy, and how this new hero fits into the Superman-adjacent universe.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: November 21, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Outline

️ Introduction and Topic Setup (00:00 - 10:36)

• Discussion opens with commentary on a break-in scenario as a humorous analogy.
• Hosts introduce the podcast episode focused on Naomi, a comic series and its TV adaptation.

Comic Book Deep Dive, Part 1 (10:38 - 20:37)

• Case shares his late discovery of Naomi via Superman comics.
• Discussion of typical Brian Michael Bendis storytelling traits and Naomi's origin story.

Comic Book Deep Dive, Part 2 (20:37 - 29:58)

• Discussion of the comic's minimal action narrative; Naomi only fights once near the end.
• Critique of the pacing and suggestions for narrative recap.

TV Show Critique, Part 1 (29:58 - 39:35)

• Hosts express strong disappointment with the Naomi TV series.
• Exploration of key changes from comic to show, including character depth.

TV Show Critique, Part 2 (39:36 - 49:32)

• Further criticism of the TV show's deviation from comic lore.
• Exploration of Naomi's 'Mary Sue' characterization and visual production issues.

TV Show Critique, Part 3 and General Reflection (49:32 - 58:53)

• Frustration with the show's pacing and poor adaptation of comic's style.
• Suggestions for animated series instead of live action.

Comparative Analysis and Storytelling Challenges (58:53 - 01:08:51)

• Reflection on comic's pacing translating into TV episodic structure.
• Challenges of stretching limited content to a full season.

Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up (01:08:52 - 01:19:00)

• Overall enjoyment of the comic despite flaws and disapproval of the TV show.
• Hope for future projects that better capture the comic's qualities.

Closing Remarks and Promotional Segment (01:19:03 - 01:27:09)

• Hosts encourage listeners to read the comic and promote Patreon.
• Plug for Case's new podcast project Trade School.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined once again by Logan Crowley to dive into the back half of Alan Moore's Supreme saga — Supreme: The Return! We explore how Moore redefined heroism through metafiction, nostalgia, and some of the boldest Superman-adjacent storytelling of the '90s.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: November 8, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Outline Introduction and Context Setting on Supreme Comic Series (00:00 - 10:00)

• Discussed the Alan Moore run on Supreme comics, focusing on the second volume, Supreme: The Return and its relation to the initial story, Supreme: The Story of the Year.
• Introduced guest Logan Crowley and recapped the original Story of the Year to bring listeners up to speed.

Detailed Issue-by-Issue Breakdown and Analysis (10:18 - 01:56:09)

• Explored themes, characters, and narrative arcs of Supreme: The Return in granular detail.
• Noted meta-narrative techniques, cultural references, inconsistencies, tonal shifts, and artistic variations issue by issue.

Art and Production Quality Discussions (15:36 - 01:24:50)

• Critiqued the inconsistent artwork across different issues and artists including Rick Veitch, Chris Sprouse, Jim Starlin, Ian Churchill, and Matt Smith.
• Noted the impact of publisher issues and artist changes on overall series cohesion and visual storytelling.

Cultural and Social Commentary in the Comic (38:45 - 57:22)

• Discussed controversial storylines such as the Confederacy winning the Civil War due to Wild Bill Hickok's actions and its culturally sensitive implications.
• Analyzed dated humor and some problematic depictions reflecting 1990s sensibilities.

Narrative and Thematic Observations (47:00 - 01:50:56)

• Discussed thematic motifs like closed time loops, meta-fictional elements, homage to classic Silver Age Superman narratives, and the contrast with other Alan Moore works like Tom Strong.
• Explored the balance between classic superhero optimism vs. cynicism leaking through the narrative.

Discussion on Supporting Characters and Legacy (25:00 - 01:40:16)

• Elaborated on the roles of various supporting characters enhancing the Supreme mythos like Judy Jordan, Diana Dane, and Radar the canine hero.
• Highlighted the influence on later comics and the impact on the Superman archetype and analog characters.

Guest Insights and Personal Reflections (00:00 - 02:30:00)

• Logan Crowley shared fresh perspectives, especially on the nostalgic value and unique features of Supreme.
• J. Mike and Case Aiken reflected on the series' strengths and weaknesses as longtime fans and comic enthusiasts.

Promotions and Related Projects (02:28:00 - 02:36:00)

• Promoted related podcasts like Single Bound and Trade School and thanked Patreon supporters.
• Encouraged listeners to engage with the content and share their thoughts.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike sit down with legendary comics writer J.M. DeMatteis to talk about his incredible career and his thoughts on the Man of Steel himself. From Kraven's Last Hunt to Justice League International and beyond, we dive into storytelling, spirituality, and what makes Superman such an enduring symbol of hope.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: October 24, 2025

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Outline Introduction (00:00 - 00:10)

• Introduction and discussion about J.M. DeMatteis' prolific career.
• Discussion on writing styles (Marvel style vs. full script) and collaborative relationships.

Creative Origins (00:10 - 00:20)

• J.M. DeMatteis shares his creative origins and early career struggles.
• Breakthrough into comics through short stories and TV writing with The Twilight Zone.

Justice League International (00:20 - 00:28)

• His iconic Justice League International run with Keith Giffen.
• Creative chemistry with collaborators and evolution of their working relationship.

️ Marvel Runs (00:28 - 00:38)

• Discussion of Marvel runs including Maximum Carnage and Clone Saga.
• Perspectives on long crossovers and storytelling challenges.

‍️ Lesser-Known Characters (00:38 - 00:47)

• Work with less-known characters like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle in Justice League International.
• Character development freedom with lesser-known heroes and influence on DC Universe.

‍️ Superman Focus (00:47 - 00:57)

• Focus on Superman-related work, especially Speeding Bullets Elseworlds story.
• Discussion on Superman's character, symbolism, and challenges in keeping him human.

Current Projects (00:57 - 01:07)

• Current and upcoming projects including the DeMultiverse Kickstarter series.
• Discussion on Spider-Man 94, prose novellas, and Batman: Caped Crusader animated series.

️ Writing Techniques & Style (02:00 - 02:10)

• J.M. DeMatteis adeptly switches between Marvel style (detailed plotting first) and full scripting based on collaborators and creative needs, emphasizing writer-artist synergy.

Career Path & Persistence (10:00 - 13:30)

• His early career involved overcoming harsh rejections and learning from editors like Paul Levitz and Len Wein, highlighting the necessity of a 'hard head and thick skin' in freelancing.

Creative Collaboration (24:00 - 27:30)

• The seminal Justice League International run was a product of rare chemistry and creative freedom between DeMatteis, Keith Giffen, and Kevin Maguire, elevating offbeat characters.

Classic Runs Reflections (22:00 - 30:00)

• He described iconic runs like Kraven's Last Hunt as successful but unplanned monumental works, and underscored the importance of the artist in storytelling and the emotional core of heroism in Maximum Carnage.

Character Development (34:00 - 38:00)

• DeMatteis expresses deep intimacy with characters like Peter Parker and Ben Reilly, treating them like real people and always seeking fresh narrative insights in revisiting familiar characters.

‍️ Superman's Core (48:00 - 54:40)

• Defines writing Superman as being 'in his heart' rather than just his mind, focusing on his decency, charm, and symbolic importance as cultural moral paragon and hopeful figure.

Modern Work & Industry Shifts (01:00:00 - 01:02:00)

• Embracing Kickstarter for creator-owned projects like DeMultiverse, balancing traditional publishing with creative independence and audience engagement. Discusses upcoming projects including a Spider-Man miniseries and involvement in animated shows.

Industry Insights (46:40 - 46:50)

• Reflects on evolving trends such as Elseworlds and multiverse storytelling saturation, and the need to refresh narrative approaches.

Fan Community & Legacy (38:40 - 38:50)

• Notes enthusiasm from younger generations discovering older works like Justice League International, reinforcing enduring appeal.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined once again by friend of the show JD Martin to talk about the 2010 animated super-comedy Megamind! We dig into its sharp humor, surprisingly heartfelt themes, and why this blue-skinned "villain" might be one of the most Superman-adjacent characters DreamWorks ever created.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: October 10, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Outline Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:00 - 02:00)

• Discussion starts with a humorous observation of the misspelling of 'Titan' throughout the film.
• Hosts: Case Aiken and J. Mike Folson, with returning guest J.D. Martin.

Initial Impressions and Reactions to Megamind (02:00 - 10:40)

• JD relates personal experience watching the movie during a back pain episode.
• He praises the voice cast: Will Ferrell, Tina Fey, Jonah Hill, and Brad Pitt.

Characters, Casting, and Voice Performances (10:40 - 21:04)

• Discussion of the main characters and voice actors: Will Ferrell as Megamind praised for his comedic timing.
• Tina Fey as Roxanne Ritchi, the strong Lois Lane archetype.

Music and Soundtrack (21:04 - 26:00)

• Soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and Lauren Balfe well received for blending classic superhero score with many rock needle drops.
• Noted needle drops include 'Highway to Hell,' 'Back in Black,' 'Crazy Train,' and 'Bad to the Bone.'

Supporting Characters and Humor (26:00 - 31:27)

• Minion, Megamind's pet, is highlighted as a great comic sidekick balancing Krypto and Otis-type roles.
• The film's dense joke rate is praised in comparison to sitcom qualities.

Plot and Story Structure Evaluation (31:27 - 41:28)

• Discussion appreciates that the Superman analog Metro Man faking his death and quitting is a strong story beat.
• Titan's rise and subsequent villainy highlighted as key to forcing Megamind into the hero role.

️ Final Narrative and Thematic Elements (41:28 - 51:29)

• The endgame where Megamind takes on the identity of the hero (Metro Man) using disguises is highlighted.
• Love story between Megamind and Roxanne praised as a slow burn and effective emotional core.

Cultural and Industry Context (51:29 - 58:56)

• Megamind's release context: 2010, alongside Iron Man 2, Toy Story 3, and before MCU dominance.
• Positioned as a parody, deconstruction, and love letter to superhero genre before the MCU explosion.

Closing Remarks and Tribute (58:56 - 01:07:01)

• Recognition of Patreon supporters and invitation to join.
• Tribute to actor Terence Stamp (General Zod in Superman films) who passed away on recording day.

Key Takeaways Megamind is a well-crafted superhero parody (06:32 - 30:00)

• Inverts the traditional Superman archetype by showing a villain becoming a hero.

Strong voice cast (10:40 - 18:00)

• Notable performances, especially Will Ferrell as Megamind and Tina Fey as Roxanne Ritchi.
• Jonah Hill's character adds a darker twist on typical sidekick tropes.

Numerous classic rock needle drops (22:30 - 23:00)

• A hallmark of DreamWorks animated movies aimed at older kids and adults.

️ Fight sequences and choreography (26:58 - 27:30)

• Surprisingly well-executed and impactful, elevating the animated action to near live-action standards.

Tight story structure (31:27 - 34:00)

• Well-paced with a high joke-per-minute ratio making it enjoyable for multiple viewings.

️ Megamind's character arc (41:28 - 51:29)

• From villain to hero effectively supported by strong thematic elements, including friendship, identity, and redemption.

Movie fits well in the 2010 superhero context (51:29 - 58:56)

• Before the MCU boom, making it a timely and insightful satire and love letter to superhero media.

Legacy and community engagement (58:56 - 01:07:01)

• Tribute to Terence Stamp and encouragement for listeners to join broader fandoms through podcasts and social media.

This week our latest Men of Steel is a conversation with DJ Nik (Happiness in Darkness, Gold Standard, etc.) about the animated adaptation of Superman: Red Son.

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: September 26, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Superman Red Sun Adaptation and Narrative Direction

The animated adaptation of Superman Red Sun presents a distinct political and moral narrative where Superman raised in Russia embodies an idealistic yet highly manipulatable figure, reflecting a complex interplay of power and ideology (03:02).

• Key narrative decision to depict Superman as a good but misguided character shaped by Russian upbringing and Soviet-era values was emphasized by Case and J. Mike, highlighting his susceptibility to manipulation by figures like Stalin and Brainiac.

  • The movie diverges from the comic by portraying Lex Luthor as a morally positive U.S. leader, married to Lois Lane, who is fully integrated into his political life.
  • This creative choice aimed to balance the story by making Lex a relatable protagonist, reinforcing a pro-American slant, likely influenced by current political climates.
  • The film's thematic focus on Superman's idealism clashing with harsh realities underlines his internal conflict and the consequences of unchecked power.
  • Market-wise, this adaptation seeks to draw in audiences interested in alternate superhero narratives with geopolitical undertones, broadening Superman's appeal beyond typical fans.

• The three-act structure reflecting phases of Superman's evolution (young idealist, political figure, and authoritarian leader) was retained, but with streamlined storytelling to fit the film's 90-minute format (19:17).

  • Original elements like the character Svetlana were introduced to establish Superman's early influences and set the tone for his eventual manipulation.
  • The film's use of Soviet-era iconography and Gregorian chants enhances immersion and aids audience understanding of the setting.
  • This structure supports clear character arcs and audience engagement despite the complex political backdrop.

Character and Relationship Dynamics

The film notably improves on character relationships, particularly between Lex Luthor and Lois Lane, making them a committed and supportive couple, which contrasts sharply with the comic's estranged dynamic (21:52).

• Lois Lane's evolution from independent journalist to First Lady strengthens the political narrative and adds emotional depth to the story.

  • Her conflict with Lex over the "Superior Man" experiment adds dramatic tension while humanizing both characters.
  • Lois serves as a moral anchor, showing resistance to some of Lex's harsher decisions, preserving her agency within the political framework.
  • This dynamic was designed to maintain audience sympathy and avoid alienating fans of classic Lois Lane.

• The characterization of Wonder Woman diverges from the comic by presenting her as a lesbian ambassador skeptical of men, which adds a feminist layer but also generated mixed reactions due to its repetitive messaging (13:11).

  • Her breaking of the lasso of truth and subsequent power drain symbolize disillusionment with Superman's regime.
  • The film portrays Wonder Woman as more powerful than Superman and as a conflicted figure torn between loyalty and opposition.
  • These changes serve to enhance the narrative's emotional stakes and highlight ideological divides within the Soviet leadership.

• Batman's grimmer portrayal with willingness to accept collateral damage introduces a morally ambiguous antagonist motivated by personal loss, deepening the plot complexity (45:06).

  • His vendetta against Superman is grounded in the death of his parents in a gulag, providing emotional weight to their conflict.
  • The film reduces the supporting cast compared to the comic, focusing more tightly on core characters to enhance storytelling clarity.

Political and Ideological Themes

The film embeds a strong political subtext, portraying Superman as a tool of the Soviet state, subject to manipulation by Stalin and later Brainiac, exploring themes of authoritarianism and propaganda (59:14).

• The depiction of Stalin's regime and the gulags is stark, providing a critical lens on Soviet atrocities, which Superman initially ignores due to naivety (28:34).

  • Superman's assassination of Stalin is a pivotal moment symbolizing a break from oppressive rule but also the beginning of his own moral decline.
  • The film's anti-Russian bias reflects American perspectives prevalent at the time of production.
  • This political framing underscores the dangers of absolute power and state control over individuals.

• The presence of Brainiac as a manipulative force amplifies the narrative of Superman's loss of agency, positioning Brainiac as the true power behind the Soviet regime in the latter acts (01:00:33).

  • Brainiac's control enables technological advances but also enforces oppressive mind control, with Superman complicit but unaware of the extent.
  • This adds a sci-fi layer illustrating how technology can be weaponized politically.
  • Brainiac's role serves as both a plot device and a commentary on surveillance and control.

• The contrasting portrayal of Lex Luthor as a morally upright U.S. leader reinforces the ideological divide, positioning America as a counterbalance to Soviet authoritarianism (01:18:40).

  • Lex's presidency and relationship with Lois symbolize American values of freedom and partnership.
  • This ideological framing is strategic to appeal to Western audiences and to provide a clear antagonist-protagonist dynamic.
  • It reflects the broader geopolitical tensions influencing superhero storytelling in the 21st century.

Action and Superpower Depictions

The film adapts classic superhero action with a focus on power limitations and ideological symbolism, notably through the use of red sun lamps to neutralize Superman's powers and the introduction of Superior Man as a Soviet weapon (47:48).

• The immediate loss and regain of Superman's powers under red sun exposure was acknowledged as a narrative expediency, despite known inconsistencies with canonical depictions (48:58).

  • This mechanism facilitates key confrontations and heightens tension without complex exposition.
  • The decision balances pacing needs of a 90-minute runtime against the need for recognizable superhero logic.

• The Superior Man character acts as a tragic figure whose destruction deepens Lois's conflict with Lex and underscores the moral costs of weaponizing superpowers (37:22).

  • His portrayal as a lab creation rather than a fully human clone adds ethical ambiguity.
  • This subplot strengthens the film's theme of sacrifice and unintended consequences in superhuman conflicts.

• The Green Lantern Corps assault was streamlined, with the film emphasizing the fight's intensity and Wonder Woman's intervention, contrasting with the comic's more fragmented depiction (01:11:00).

  • The film's choice to present Wonder Woman as stronger than Superman visually reinforces her narrative significance.
  • The fight sequences support the escalating stakes and demonstrate the combined forces opposing Soviet Superman.

Production and Storytelling Choices

The filmmakers made strategic decisions to adapt the comic's complex narrative into a cohesive, accessible screenplay that emphasizes character and political drama over spectacle (09:41).

• The introduction of original scenes such as the gulag encounter and Superman killing Stalin serve to heighten emotional impact and clarify political stakes early in the film (28:34).

  • These scenes compensate for the comic's denser exposition by providing visual and emotional anchor points.
  • The film balances storytelling clarity with maintaining the comic's core themes.

• The choice to omit or tone down certain comic elements, such as excessive narrative exposition and supervillain cameos, streamlines the plot for new audiences (01:14:44).

  • This focus on fewer characters helps maintain narrative coherence and emotional resonance.
  • The film aims to appeal both to comic fans and general audiences unfamiliar with the source material.

• The adaptation was influenced by modern political sensibilities and audience expectations, reflected in the more explicit feminist themes and clearer moral distinctions (13:11).

  • These choices aim to update the story's relevance and broaden its appeal.
  • The film's tone contrasts with the comic's edgier, more ambiguous style, favoring clarity and accessibility.

Audience Reception and Legacy

The podcast hosts unanimously recommend Superman Red Sun as a compelling and unique take on the Superman mythos, suitable even for non-fans due to its strong narrative and thematic depth (01:33:00).

• Nick and J. Mike highlight the film's ability to retain Superman's core ethics despite the alternate political setting, praising its nuanced portrayal of flawed heroism.

  • The story's exploration of power, ideology, and morality offers rich material for discussion and reexamination of classic characters.
  • Its accessibility makes it a useful entry point for audiences new to superhero stories or interested in political narratives.

• The film's balanced treatment of Lex Luthor and Lois Lane adds emotional investment and challenges traditional villain-hero dichotomies.

  • This complexity enhances the film's value as a character-driven drama.
  • The positive portrayal of Lex as a "good guy" is noted as a refreshing and deliberate creative decision.

• The upcoming interview with J. M. DeMatteis, writer of the animated movie, and the launch of the Trade School podcast series on comic trades indicate ongoing community engagement and content expansion around this material (01:39:10).

  • These initiatives suggest sustained interest and potential for deeper exploration of comic adaptations.
  • They offer platforms for fans and newcomers to connect over shared appreciation of graphic storytelling.

In this episode of Men of Steel, Case flies solo for a truly super conversation with Paul Kaminski, Superman Group Editor at DC Comics. From current titles to legacy influences, Paul shares behind-the-scenes insights on shaping the world of Superman across books, teams, and timelines. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just curious how the cape stays iconic decade after decade, this one's for you!

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Men of Steel Full Episode

Originally aired: September 12, 2025

Edited by Sophia Ricciardi

Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Overview

• Paul Kaminski oversees Superman titles and other major DC Comics characters as Group Editor for Metropolis Group, leveraging 17 years of industry experience.
• Kaminski's entry into comics was inspired by classic series and publications, shaping his understanding of the comic creation process at an early age.
• The Superman editorial philosophy combines elements from various iconic eras, emphasizing a vision inspired by the 90s Animated Series and Fleischer cartoons.
• A unified visual style for the Super Family has been implemented, with distinct designs to maintain Superman's uniqueness within the group.
• Current Superman publishing strategy includes three core titles, each catering to different narratives, with significant arcs like Action #1100 planned for fall 2026.
• The Legion of Darkseid storyline is a pivotal upcoming focus across Superman issues, essential for the future of DC Comics.
• Kaminski champions Atomic Skull as an underutilized villain, highlighting previous successful narratives like Phil Jimenez's Superwoman work.
• Plans for Zod storylines are in development, with original concepts influenced by sci-fi classics like Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan.
• He advises artists to specialize in genres and network at conventions, while encouraging writers to start with smaller companies or licensed comics.
• Kaminski addresses misconceptions about creators' intentions, advocating for fans to read comics with an open mind regarding character developments.

Notes ‍️ Paul Kaminski's Background and Role (01:50 - 11:15)

• Paul Kaminski serves as Group Editor for Metropolis Group at DC Comics, overseeing Superman titles, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, Green Arrow, and Justice League.
• DC Comics currently operates three editorial groups: Metropolis Group, Gotham Group, and newly formed Themyscira Group led by Brittany Holzer.
• Kaminski has 17 years of experience in comics industry, starting at Archie Comics and working on Sonic the Hedgehog before joining DC in 2015.

Getting Into Comics and Career Development (03:09 - 12:31)

• Kaminski's entry into comics began with X-Men animated series at age 7-8, followed by purchasing Wolverine #76 and Death of Superman trade paperback.
• Pizza Hut X-Men video featuring Bob Harris, Fabian Nicieza, and Scott Lobdell was formative in understanding comic creation process.
• Early editorial experience involved learning hands-on approach vs. hands-off approach to editing, with first major lesson being 'editing is not writing the comic yourself.'

‍️ Superman Editorial Philosophy and Approach (19:23 - 20:46)

• Kaminski's Superman vision draws from 90s Animated Series, combining elements of Fleischer cartoons, George Reeves TV show, and Triangle Era comics.
• Hired Joshua Williamson as writer for Superman relaunch based on their successful collaboration on Dark Crisis.
• Selected Jamal Campbell as artist after being impressed by his work on Naomi, particularly Superman fight scene.

Super Family Organization and Visual Identity (32:03 - 32:03)

• Implemented unified visual style for Super Family with matching jackets designed by Dan Mora, inspired by Jim Lee's X-Men era.
• Action Comics #1051 cover serves as mission statement for organized Super Family approach.
• Superman intentionally remains only cape-wearing member to maintain visual distinction within the family.

Current and Future Superman Publishing Strategy (13:51 - 40:27)

• Three core Superman titles serve different purposes: Superman (future/All-In storylines), Superman Unlimited (present-day Kryptonite kingdom stories), Action Comics (past/Superboy canonical stories).
• Action #1100 is being planned for fall 2026 with major story arc.
• Legion of Darkseid storyline spans Superman issues #28-30 as crucial future DC direction.

‍️ Character Development and Villain Preferences (36:00 - 39:04)

• Strong advocacy for Atomic Skull as underutilized villain, praising Phil Jimenez's rehabilitation storyline in Superwoman.
• Plans brewing for Zod storylines with hints being dropped across current issues.
• 'Kneel Before Zod' book was originally inspired by Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan approach, even approaching director Nick Meyer to write it.

Industry Advice and Misconceptions (16:39 - 43:08)

• For artists: Focus on specific genre specialization and build community networks through conventions and local studios.
• For writers: Target small companies first, pursue licensed comics as entry point, especially Star Trek.
• Biggest fan misconception: Creators aren't intentionally trying to destroy favorite characters - encourages reading comics 'in good faith.'

In this special crossover episode of Men of Steel, we kick off a two-part team-up with the Long Live the Legion podcast!

We're diving into "Foundations," the early 2000s arc from The Legion—with special guests Jim and Jay from LLtL and the artist of the arc himself, Chris Batista! Together, we explore Superman's legacy in the 31st century, the evolving identity of the Legion, and what it was like illustrating this future-forward storyline.

Part 2 continues on Long Live the Legion—don't miss it!

Overview

Case Aiken introduces crossover episode, featuring Jmike Folson, Jim Fetters, Jay McKiernan, and Chris Batista discussing the Legion of Superheroes 'Foundations' arc, celebrating its 45th anniversary. The plot centers on Darkseid snatching people from time to harness dark matter, with the Legion uncovering Superboy during the investigation. DNA (Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning) established as the core writing team; their earlier success with Marvel's cosmic stories enhances credibility. Chris Batista expresses concern over technology portrayal, advocating for a more advanced depiction of the Legion compared to Justice League. The Legion World headquarters is praised for its futuristic elements like replicated home worlds and teleportation gates. Despite rising sales and positive fan response, the series faced cancellation, causing frustration as issue 25 became the second-best selling of the series with a 25% readership increase. Character designs for the Servants of Darkness were mostly created by Chris Batista, with a conscious effort to maintain Kirby's aesthetic. Superboy's dual role as both Legion member and connection to Titans was anticipated, reflecting long-time fan expectations for character involvement. Kid Quantum is recognized as the first female leader of color in the Legion, showcasing character dynamics and development alongside Cosmic Boy. The evolution of Superboy's design aimed to match Teen Titans appearances, highlighting editorial influence on character aesthetics.

Notes

️ Podcast Introduction and Setup (00:00 - 02:09)

• Case Aiken introduces the Men of Steel podcast crossover episode with Long Live the Legion podcast, featuring co-host Jmike Folson and guests Jim Fetters, Jay McKiernan, and artist Chris Batista.

• Discussion focuses on Legion of Superheroes 'Foundations' arc, specifically issue 25 which serves as both story continuation and 45th anniversary celebration.

• Chris Batista reveals behind-the-scenes details about working as lead artist on the arc, noting DC doesn't produce this Legion continuity anymore so he can speak freely.

Story Overview and Context (02:09 - 09:54)

• Jmike Folson summarizes the Foundations plot: people being snatched from time by Darkseid to steal dark matter for restarting Apokolips, with Legion discovering Superboy during investigation of warp phantoms.

• DNA (Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning) established as the writing team, with connections drawn to their later successful Marvel cosmic work including Guardians of the Galaxy.

• Legion Lost miniseries and Legion Worlds established crucial backstory, with 25 issues of world-building leading to this commemorative arc.

️ Technology and World-Building Discussion (09:54 - 16:05)

• Chris Batista expresses frustration with Paul Levitz rejecting advanced technology concepts for Legion, arguing they should appear far more advanced than Justice League.

• Legion World headquarters praised as major advancement - a planet with replicated home worlds and teleportation gates, making Legion feel appropriately futuristic.

• Discussion of how DNA run embraced technological advancement while previous runs kept Legion at similar tech level to 20th century heroes.

Character Design and Development (01:01:03 - 01:24:10)

• Chris reveals Servants of Darkness designs were largely his creation except for Orion, with specific mentions of including Firestorm, White Martian, Lobo, Green Lantern, and Big Barda.

• Orion design intentionally modeled after Destroyer from Thor, maintaining Kirby aesthetic while creating intimidating servant appearance.

• Invisible Kid and Brainiac 5 romantic moment revealed as editor Steve Wacker's spontaneous addition 'just to mess with fans' - became lasting fan discussion point.

Publishing History and Cancellation (01:24:16 - 01:59:06)

• Series cancellation explained as sudden higher-up decision despite rising sales and positive fan response to Superboy addition.

• Issue 25 was second-best selling of entire series with 25% increase in readership, making cancellation timing particularly frustrating.

• Original plans included Superboy remaining in both Legion and Titans simultaneously, with extensive story arcs planned for Element Lad return and Lightning Lad separation.

Artist Collaboration and Creative Process (20:40 - 01:19:06)

• Chris describes working relationship with DNA as collaborative, with writers trusting him to design new characters like Legion cadets and including Easter eggs like Kent Shakespeare and Polar Boy.

• Multiple pencillers used for issue 25 to handle commemorative scope, with each artist assigned specific character groups to avoid overlap.

• Coloring technology evolution discussed, with modern computer coloring providing more tools but potentially reducing creative necessity of older 64-color process limitations.

• ⏳ Superman Connection and Time Travel Elements (34:02 - 01:54:06)

• Clark Kent and 90s Superboy both featured as characters pulled from time, with Clark becoming servant of darkness while Superboy joins Legion.

• Superboy wears classic costume with Legion belt buckle addition, fulfilling long-time fan expectations while serving story purposes.

• Time dilation plot involves universe getting smaller and past being erased, though hosts acknowledge the temporal mechanics don't fully make sense.

Character Relationships and Dynamics (46:03 - 01:30:24)

• Mech (Lightning Lord) rehabilitation storyline discussed as more complex than typical villain treatment, showing struggle between evil nature and love for siblings.

• Kid Quantum established as Legion's first female leader of color, with organic romantic relationship with Cosmic Boy developing throughout arc.

• Livewire/Element Lad fusion creates extremely powerful character combining lightning abilities with matter transmutation in crystalline body.

Technical and Production Details (01:36:23 - 01:51:38)

• Secret Files issue placement in continuity questioned due to timeline inconsistencies with main story events.

• Chris notes Superboy's physical design evolution throughout arc as editorial mandated size increases to match Teen Titans appearance.

• Force field technology and advanced Legion equipment discussed as properly futuristic elements that should distinguish team from contemporary heroes.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by writer and critic Jesse Fresco to dig into the early 2000s series Cla$$War. We unpack the political fury, superhero deconstruction, and lasting relevance of this overlooked gem from the Bush-era boom in gritty, socially charged comics. #MenOfSteelPod #Cla$$War #RobWilliams #SupermanAdjacent #JesseFresco #ComicsPodcast Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: August 15, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 Overview

• Class War comic serves as a political commentary on post-9/11 America, initially conceived as a 12-issue series but only 6 issues were published between 2002 and 2004.
• Writer Rob Williams influenced by Bill Hicks and Marvel's Miracle Man, blending humor with serious themes of government superhero programs.
• Characters feature a Superman-like hero and an Enola Gay team reflecting various archetypes, but backstory is minimal focusing more on action.
• The commentary emphasizes American superheroes as 'deterrents' entangled in corruption and drug operations rather than showcasing true class conflict.
• Artwork utilized innovative computer coloring for the early 2000s, with notable scenes praised for their intensity and execution.
• The series is linked to broader cultural events, including the Patriot Act and militarized entertainment, creating a lasting impact on the genre.
• Story arcs reveal escalating tensions, ending ambiguously without showing direct conflict or resolution in the finale.
• Hosts reflect on the comic's themes feeling 'adolescent' today, yet resonate with current events like rising political tensions and violence.
• Class War recommended alongside classics like The Authority and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, highlighted for its unfinished nature and mystique.
• The discussion underscores a shift in superhero portrayals, questioning the effectiveness of traditional heroes in the current socio-political landscape.

Notes ️ Introduction and Setup (00:00 - 09:36)

• Discussion of Class War comic as political commentary on post-9/11 America, described as 'what if Superman was pissed off about 9/11'.
• Jesse Fresco returns after Jaguar Sharks podcast ended in January, currently working on a novel after crossing 200 pages.
• Class War intended as 12-issue series but only 6 issues published - first 3 in 2002, final 3 in 2004 by Com X publisher.
• Notable art style change between Trevor Harrison (issues 1-3) and Travel Foreman (issues 4-6), both considered high quality for indie publication.

Historical Context and Influences (09:36 - 18:49)

• Comic written before 9/11 but published after, coincidentally capturing post-9/11 American sentiment perfectly.
• Received major attention from Wizard magazine and early comic websites despite being small indie publication.
• Writer Rob Williams heavily influenced by comedian Bill Hicks, directly copying Kennedy assassination joke in comic.
• Williams cited Marvel Man/Miracle Man as major influence, both featuring government superhero programs with Nazi scientist connections.

‍️ Character Analysis and Comic Structure (18:49 - 27:56)

• Superman-type character design with mostly white bodysuit, blue stripe, and star pattern - described as 'patriotic Apollo'.
• Minimal backstory provided beyond brief flashback showing protagonist's brother died of heroin overdose.
• Enola Gay superhero team includes The American, Heavyweight (Luke Cage-type), Icon (Wonder Woman analog), and Confusion (psychic character).

️ Political Commentary and Themes (27:56 - 38:02)

• Reveals American superheroes used as 'deterrents' rather than weapons, involved in drug trafficking operations.
• Despite title 'Class War,' actual class conflict rarely shown - more focused on government corruption than economic inequality.
• Problematic portrayal of Black character written by British creators, described as 'Mike Tyson as super soldier'.

Art and Production Quality (38:02 - 48:12)

• Utilized cutting-edge computer coloring and gradients that were revolutionary for early 2000s comics.
• Heavyweight vs American battle particularly praised, featuring brutal jaw-punching scene later parodied by Garth Ennis.
• Com X publisher folded after initial run, Image Comics later acquired reprint rights.

Cultural Impact and Comparisons (48:12 - 58:18)

• Frequently compared to Warren Ellis's Authority series despite Williams claiming unfamiliarity.
• Influenced Garth Ennis's The Boys, Warren Ellis's Black Summer, and Mark Millar's War Heroes.
• Part of broader cultural shift including 'freedom fries,' Patriot Act, and militarized entertainment.

Story Structure Analysis (58:19 - 01:08:43)

• Issue 1 - Superman burns 'LIAR' into President's forehead; Issue 2 - Heavyweight fight; Issue 3 - Bridge episode; Issues 4-6 - Government conspiracy revelation.
• Series ends with American and Isaac preparing for civil war, never showing actual conflict or resolution.
• Heavyweight confirmed killed by shield weapon, Jefferson transforms into monster.

️ Modern Relevance Discussion (01:08:44 - 01:18:51)

• Comic feels 'adolescent' and 'naive' when read today, but captured appropriate anger for its time.
• Hosts discuss how recent events (CEO shooting, political tensions) make comic's themes more relevant.
• Question whether Superman-type heroes work in current political climate versus Punisher-style vigilantes.

Conclusion and Recommendations (01:18:52 - 01:25:43)

• Recommended alongside The Authority, Garth Ennis's 303, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies.
• Better remembered as unfinished work with mystique than potentially disappointing completion.
• Plugs for CPOV Media Patreon, Movie Struck podcast, and Discord community.

On this heartfelt installment of Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Ryan Luis Rodriguez (One Track Mind, Reels of Justice) to discuss the powerful documentary Super/Man: The Christopher Reeve Story. We reflect on Reeve's legacy as both a performer and a real-life hero, unpack the emotional depth of the film, and celebrate the enduring impact of the Man of Steel.

#ChristopherReeve #Superman #SuperManDocumentary #MenOfSteelPod #ReelsOfJustice #OneTrackMind

Find Ryan at: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/one-track-mind-with-ryan-luis-rodriguez/id1431611476 and https://www.patreon.com/onetrackmindpodcast

Overview

• Episode 150 of the Men of Steel podcast celebrates hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson's significant milestone, with guest Ryan Luis Rodriguez joining in the discussion.
• Ryan Luis Rodriguez boasts a 4-0 record on the Reels of Justice podcast, with an upcoming Frozen 2 prosecution case highlighting his expertise.
• The hosts shared personal memories of the impact of Christopher Reeve's 1995 horseback riding accident, shaping their childhood experiences at ages 9 and 11.
• A well-edited documentary chronicling Reeve's life compiles 40 years of footage, avoiding melodrama while effectively communicating emotional depth.
• Christopher Reeve's casting as Superman faced doubts; his physical presence and several life factors contributed to his iconic portrayal of the character.
• The documentary discusses the deep emotional bond between Reeve and Robin Williams, revealing their supportive friendship nurtured during their Juilliard days.
• Following Reeve's accident, Dana Reeve emerged as a dedicated caregiver, transforming their tragedy into advocacy for disability rights and research funding.
• The podcast notes Reeve's advocacy for stem cell research and his collaboration with John Kerry, which marked him as a significant political figure in this area.
• Reeve's legacy is sustained through the Christopher Reeve Foundation, which continues to advance research funding for spinal injury treatment.
• New Patreon initiatives were introduced, with gratitude extended to executive producers supporting the Men of Steel podcast and connected shows.

Notes ️ Episode Introduction & Guest Background (00:00 - 04:36)

• Episode 150 milestone celebration of Men of Steel podcast, marking significant achievement for hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson
• Ryan Luis Rodriguez joins as guest, known from Reels of Justice podcast where he serves as prosecutor/defender in fake movie court format
• Ryan's current 4-0 record on Reels of Justice, with upcoming Frozen 2 prosecution case
• Ryan also hosts One Track Mind podcast focusing on film through audio commentaries, featuring Case as previous guest

‍️ Personal Memories of Christopher Reeve's Accident (06:01 - 08:33)

• 1995 horseback riding accident deeply impacted all hosts as children - Case was 11, Jmike was 9, Ryan was 9 years old
• Case recalls watching news coverage at grandparents' house, vivid memories of the media coverage
• Jmike remembers his mother explaining 'Superman is paralyzed' while he was watching Superman animated series
• Ryan's emotional reaction as 'very feeling autistic child' to learning Superman would never walk again

Documentary Structure & Production Quality (31:52 - 37:15)

• 40 years of footage compiled into remarkably well-edited documentary that feels like 55 minutes despite being 1 hour 40 minutes
• Stone Christopher Reeve statue used as visual metaphor throughout, starting pristine then showing cracks from kryptonite after accident
• No narrator approach - uses interviews with children and friends to weave story together organically
• Documentary avoids being 'tragedy porn' while still being emotionally impactful

Christopher Reeve's Early Life & Career (12:35 - 48:44)

• Difficult relationship with father Arthur, described as 'douchebag' socialite poet who disapproved of Superman role
• Juilliard training alongside Robin Williams as roommates, establishing lifelong friendship
• Superman casting process involved auditioning 'everybody including the casting director's dentist' - Reeve wasn't obvious choice
• Arrogance during Superman production - some friction with cast/crew, though sources questioned

Superman Performance & Legacy (44:37 - 50:09)

• Transformational acting in famous scene where Clark almost reveals identity to Lois - complete physical and vocal transformation
• Instinctive banking during first flying scene showed natural acting choices that made role work
• Height and physical presence key factors, though not initially seen as obvious Superman type

️ Personal Relationships & Family (19:26 - 25:47)

• First relationship with Gae Exton, mother of his first two children, ended after Superman IV failure
• Walking away from family after Superman IV disappointment, described as blindsiding them
• Dana Reeve entered life after separation, not as 'homewrecker' but as supportive partner
• Strong relationships with theater community including Susan Sarandon, Whoopi Goldberg, Jeff Daniels

The Accident & Immediate Aftermath (09:56 - 38:42)

• May 1995 horseback riding accident during equestrian competition, paralyzed from neck down
• Life-threatening complications including potential suffocation from tubes, intense anxiety in early days
• Mental health struggles openly discussed, showing fears and adaptation process through rehabilitation

‍️ Dana Reeve's Role & Sacrifice (25:47 - 27:16)

• Incredible caretaker burden - being sole caregiver to paralyzed person described as 'herculean task'
• Transformative advocacy work - turned tragedy into hope for disabled community, advanced research funding
• Death from lung cancer at age 44 despite never smoking, tragically dying shortly after Christopher
• Will Reeves orphaned - lost both parents, overheard phone call about mother's death while pretending to sleep

Advocacy & Political Impact (25:47 - 40:15)

• 1996 Oscar appearance - standing ovation moment showing his continued cultural influence
• Stem cell research advocacy - became major political figure, worked with John Kerry on legislation
• Christopher Reeve Foundation continues work through his children, funding research that has helped people walk again
• Federal funding advancement for spinal injury research and surgical procedures

Robin Williams Connection (16:47 - 16:47)

• Juilliard roommates and lifelong close friends, surprising depth of relationship revealed
• Emotional documentary moment - suggestion that 'if Chris was still alive, Robin would be too'
• Mutual support system throughout both their careers and challenges

Superman Film Legacy (22:16 - 47:26)

• Superman IV personal project - Reeve wrote the story, making its failure particularly devastating
• Anti-nuclear message in Superman IV, though film was commercial failure
• Production challenges of original Superman films, including Salkinds' questionable business practices
• Salkind Clause in actor contracts resulted from producers splitting one movie into two without additional pay

Podcast Network Updates (55:58 - 57:26)

• Patreon launch at patreon.com/certainpovmedia covering Another Pass and Men of Steel productions
• Executive producers thanked: Carter Hallett, Sean Muir, Lee Greger, Memento Young, Logan Crowley, Joe Mastropiero, Nancy and Casey Aiken, Adam Samtur, Keith Lehtinen
• New network shows: Long Live the Legion (Legion of Superheroes podcast) and We Have Issues (Keith Lehtinen's show)

There's a new Superman movie out so OBVIOUSLY we're covering it! It's a big enough deal that we even got CPOV Founder Addy Thomas to come out of podcast retirement and join us for the main discussion! On top of that we solicited feedback from our listeners and, boy, did they deliver!

Tune in for our thoughts and the thoughts of:

Alex Ramsey

Ben Haslar

Derek Van Dyke

Ed Gross

JD Martin

Jesse Fresco

Jim Fetters

Keith Lehtinen

Lee Greger

Logan Crowley

Matt aka Stormageddon

Michael Stumbo

Nic Woolfe

Richard Snyder

Ryan Luis Rodriguez