A weekly show where we discuss all things British.
In this episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, host Jonathan Thomas interviews Simon Mills, a deep-sea explorer and maritime historian who owns the wreck of the HMHS Britannic, Titanic's lesser-known sister ship. They discuss the history of the Britannic, its sinking during World War I, and the unique aspects of its design that aimed to make it more unsinkable than the Titanic. Simon shares his journey from working in the film industry to becoming a maritime historian, his experiences diving to the wreck, and the challenges posed by COVID-19 on his research. The conversation also touches on the ownership of shipwrecks, the importance of preserving maritime history, and the ongoing exploration of the Britannic wreck.
1. The Ownership Revelation
"It's actually not as complicated as you think. Everything in the world has got an owner. Doesn't matter where it is. It could be top of the mountain or down at the bottom of the sea... So they will take the money, a very small amount of money in the overall scheme of things. But that's exactly how you do it."
2. The Forgotten Sister Ship
"I always get little bit frustrated with this mostly forgotten or forgotten sister or whatever. Titanic has a big place in history, obviously, because of what happened... Britannic was really supposed to be the answer to all the things that went wrong on the Titanic."
3. The Fatal Flaw Discovery
"The key sixth compartment when we saw that watertight door open on down on F deck, it was opened by about that much, about six or seven inches... you could argue that the Titanic was less well protected from the flooding than the Titanic."
4. The Timing That Saved Lives
"Britannic was on her way out and therefore she was empty. So on board you had little over a thousand crew and medical staff, but there were no patients on board... had it happened on the way back and you had a full ship, a ship full of patients, the death toll could have been humongous."
5. The Unique Access
"The only person who's got permit to go inside is me, basically. And that's because of my rather unique legal position... But it still doesn't mean that I go in just because I want to. I have to have a sort of proper plan to go in there."
6. The Human Element
"He said, for the first time ever, I felt the presence of people... swimming along that working passage, I sensed people being there. It was a rather curious thing for him to say, but I knew exactly where he was coming from."
7. The Rewriting of History
"We are now filling in the other gaps in the story... all of a sudden your flooding analysis is changing completely... it rewrites the dynamic of the sinking. So yes, we're changing the history."
8. The Unexpected Career Path
"I never really set out to buy the Britannic or get too heavily involved in the story... I was doing all the research on the Titanic, but unlike the other programs, I also found myself researching the other two ships. So I somehow became the expert on the Olympic and the Britannic."
9. The Technical Challenge
"It's 400 feet down. So in terms of a man dive down there, I can't do it... for about a 35 minute dive on the wreck, you're probably decompressing for about three and a half to four hours in the water... Now I'm too old for that."
10. The Legacy Vision
"I want to hand over going concern... we turn Britannic into something tangible, rather than some forgotten pile of steel three miles out into the Kier Channel."
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with Sophie Reynolds, Head of Collections, Interpretation & Engagement at Jane Austen's house in Chawton, Hampshire, about the enduring legacy of Jane Austen as a literary figure. 2025 is the 250th anniversary of her birth, so there are celebrations at Chawton and all over the world to celebrate this literary great. They discuss Austen's impact on literature, her proto-feminist perspective, and the evolution of her house museum in Hampshire. Sophie shares insights into her journey to working at the house, the immersive experiences created for visitors, and the significance of Austen's writing in contemporary culture. The conversation highlights the importance of preserving literary history and the relevance of Austen's work to modern readers.
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with Charles Rosenay, a seasoned Beatles tour guide and cultural ambassador for Liverpool. They explore the evolution of Beatles tourism, the significance of iconic locations like the Cavern Club, and the hidden gems of Liverpool that fans should not miss. Charles shares memorable experiences from his tours, the emotional reactions of fans, and the changing relationship between Liverpool and its Beatles heritage. The conversation also touches on the impact of the internet on tourism, the joy of sharing Beatles history, and the best times to visit Liverpool for an immersive experience.
1. The Origin Story
"I fell in love with them like millions of other people of a certain age on February 9th, 1964 when they appeared on the Ed Sullivan show. Watched it, fell 100% in love with it, realized there was more to the world than just monster movies and kindergarten and baseball."
2. Liverpool as Sacred Ground
"Liverpool was that holy land, the holy grail destination for me. When I was young, I would clip every article, everything that said John Paul, George Ringo. But I would also, if it said the tall ships are sailing into Liverpool, I would cut that out."
3. The Emotional Kiss
"She got off the coach, set foot in Liverpool, bowed down and kissed the ground. I said, you guys planned that, huh? She goes, 'No, my gosh. That was so spontaneous. I didn't even think I was going to do that.'"
4. The Fifth Beatle Revelation
"There was that debate, if you're a Beatles fan, the debate was who was the fifth Beatle? Was it Brian Epstein? Was it Billy Preston? Was it George Martin? The fifth Beatle was Liverpool. Liverpool is a personality, it's a lifestyle, it's humor."
5. Liverpool's Transformation
"Back then it was just a dingy, scaffolded, gray like slum backyard area. I remember putting my ears against the walls and just trying to dream what it would be like hearing the Beatles play through these walls. Now it's completely embraced the entire tourism industry."
6. The Cavern Club Legacy
"The Beatles played there over 300 times. It was literally their residency. Life was music and you wanted to be the band that played there. If you do one place that you want to capture the rock and roll and that era and the sweat and the music, it's the Cavern Club for sure."
7. 100% Satisfaction Guarantee
"I am so proud, blessed, lucky, I don't know what the word is, 100% satisfaction from the people who go on the tour. Even the best five-star posh restaurant will have its off day. I forgot what your question was, but I think I went on a little tangent there."
8. The Magic of Spontaneity
"Julian Lennon is doing a signing at a toy store in London in two hours. I said, you know what? We're changing our schedule. We can be in Liverpool two or three hours later. We're all going to this event. The 30 of us were in line for him. Eight other people came besides us."
9. Seeing Through Fresh Eyes
"When they get excited, 'Can you take a picture of me crossing Abbey Road?' I know it. I had that feeling in 83 and 84, 85, and year after year. It's the joy of the people going and me loving it vicariously through their eyes and emotions."
10. Beatles Week Magic
"During Beatle Week, you're literally walking street to street to street, hearing nonstop Beatle music. You just pour out Beatles music and that could be a plus or a minus if you're a Beatles fan—this is it, you're in heaven."
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with Mary Valentine, founder of Mary Valentine Tours, about her journey from academia to leading boutique tours across Britain. Mary shares her passion for British culture, her experiences with the Women's Institute, and the unique insights she offers to fellow Anglophiles. The conversation covers her recent tour in Northern England and Scotland, the importance of experiential travel, and how to handle unexpected challenges on the road. Mary emphasizes the beauty of the British countryside and the warmth of its people, providing listeners with a deeper understanding of what makes her tours special. In this conversation, Mary Valentine shares her insights on British travel, emphasizing the importance of cultural connections and local experiences. She discusses the balance between showcasing traditional and modern aspects of Britain, the unique elements of her tours, and the challenges of planning and leading them. Mary also reflects on her personal experiences and aspirations for future tours, highlighting the beauty and complexity of British culture.
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with Ian Russell, a British voice actor who transitioned from a successful banking career in the UK to voice acting in the United States. Ian shares his journey of adapting to life in South Carolina, the cultural differences he has encountered, and how his British accent has become a unique asset in the American voice acting industry. The conversation also touches on the challenges of maintaining British traditions, the humor differences between the two cultures, and the importance of networking in a new environment. Ian reflects on his experiences as an expat and the evolving nature of his British identity while living in America.
On His Career Transition:
"I volunteered as tribute, you know, and they let me go. And then we said, well, what are we going to do next? And so we went, let's sell up. Let's move to the US."
On His British Accent as a Professional Asset:
"You kind of stand out don't you? In a crowd of people there might be 400 people in a room and you probably might well be the only Brit so you stand out and that makes you memorable."
On Cultural Differences in Business:
"In the UK, we're also apologetic about everything... 'Well, I if you really must have my card, you know, that sort of thing.' Whereas here it's like, 'here, buddy, take my card. If you need a voiceover, give me a give me a shout.'"
On Voice Acting Challenges:
"Most British actors think they can do an American accent and most American actors think they can do a British accent. And probably most of the time we can tell."
On Tea Culture Shock:
"They got some iced tea and put it in the microwave to heat it up... I had sweet iced tea with creamer. I was I couldn't drink it."
On American Assumptions:
"Are you from Australia? And I think they sense that I'm from somewhere else, but they're not quite sure where. And so they pick Australia because maybe it's a bit more exotic."
On British Heritage in America:
"Almost every American will claim to have English, Irish or Scottish heritage. And I think that's a desire for the root, where am I from?"
On His Unique Position:
"My naivety when I arrived, I thought I'll be the only one. And of course, I'm not. There's dozens and dozens. But most of us are friends now."
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with Gillian Healey, an expert guide in Dartmoor National Park. They discuss Gillian's journey to becoming a Dartmoor guide, the unique features of Dartmoor, and why it should be on every American's travel bucket list (there are several important American connections!). Gillian shares her experiences in international hiking, the importance of qualifications for guiding, and the diverse attractions Dartmoor offers, from its rich history to its wildlife. The conversation also touches on conservation challenges, land ownership issues, and the cultural significance of Dartmoor, including its connections to literature and history. Listeners are encouraged to explore Dartmoor through personalized walking tours that provide a deeper connection to the landscape and its stories.
On Getting Lost and Finding Purpose:
"The notorious Dartmoor mist came down and I was with my friends and we got a bit lost, I have to say. And they all looked to me to say, Gillian which way? And I turned around and said, I have no idea. So at that point, I just thought, you know, I love Dartmoor, but I really, if people are looking to me to get them out in and out of Dartmoor safely, I need to gain some qualifications."
The Perfect Sales Pitch for Americans:
"Imagine hiking through vast open moorland where you've got wild ponies roaming free and you can climb up ancient granite tors for huge panoramic views while stumbling across Bronze Age stone circles which are older than the pyramids. You know, there are no crowds there. They're just space, stories and sky."
On Dartmoor's Living History:
"It's not just about the nature and the views, it's also a living layered landscape where you can walk amongst Bronze Age villages and medieval farmsteads and Victorian quarries and you can come across standing stones that are older than Stonehenge and ancient clapper bridges that are still in use today."
Why Walking Beats Driving:
"When you're on foot you really feel the contours of the land, you feel the soft peat beneath your feet and that peat is from thousands and thousands of years of degraded trees and flora... you hear the silence between the wind and the birdsong of the skylarks and you notice the detail that are just invisible from the car window."
On Land Access Rights:
"Everything you say is privately owned. And they're saying, yes, but it's a national park. How can it be privately owned? Then I kind of delve into our history of 1066. William the Conqueror comes in, conquers and divides upon our land... leading to what we still have today, which is only access to 8% of our land."
The Landscape Holds Memory:
"It isn't just a national park, it's a walk through time... And it's just this plethora of history everywhere that you can see that you won't experience anywhere else."
00:00 Exploring Dartmoor: A Unique Landscape 05:16 Guiding Experience: Skills and Qualifications 08:58 Why Americans Should Visit Dartmoor 11:21 Personalized Tours: Tailoring Experiences 13:06 Favorite Routes: Discovering Dartmoor's Essence 15:58 Historical Context: The Dartmoor Massacre 17:20 Dartmoor Ponies: A Unique Species 19:48 Preparing for Tours: Research and Recce 22:39 Conservation Challenges: Dartmoor's Ecosystem 24:52 Land Ownership: Understanding Dartmoor's Rights 29:33 Dartmoor vs. National Parks: A Unique Experience 31:16 Connecting with History: Engaging American Visitors 32:45 Cultural Influences: Literature and Dartmoor 34:52 Walking Tours: A Deeper Connection to Dartmoor 36:55 anglotopia-podcast-outro.mp4
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with author Becky Aikman about her book 'Spitfires,' which uncovers the remarkable stories of American women pilots during World War II. These women, known as the ‘Atta Girls,’ defied societal expectations and took to the skies to ferry military aircraft for the British during a time when their contributions were largely forgotten. Aikman shares insights into the lives of these pioneering aviators, the challenges they faced, and the impact they had on aviation and women's roles in wartime. This conversation explores the remarkable stories of American women pilots during World War II, focusing on their bravery, social lives, and the challenges they faced both in the air and on the ground. The discussion highlights their daring incidents, coping mechanisms for psychological tolls, and the significant social changes they experienced. It also delves into class differences, cultural clashes, and the impact of their contributions on women's rights and aviation history. The legacy of these women is celebrated, emphasizing their determination and the recognition they deserve.
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas speaks with writer Tony Hargis about her experiences returning to Britain after living in the US for nearly three decades. They discuss her new column 'Brit Buzz', the changing climate in Britain, cultural differences between the UK and the US, and the evolution of language. The conversation also touches on customer service, grocery store culture, dining experiences, and the vibrant theater scene in London. Tony shares her insights on acclimatizing to British life and the surprises she has encountered since her return.
On Returning to Britain:
“I had to think of it as moving to a foreign country—that’s how much Britain had changed.”
On Her New Column, Brit Buzz:
“I want to write about life in Britain as it is today—what’s changed, what’s mad, and what makes Britain, Britain.”
On Culture Shock (Round Two):
“I’ve lived here most of my life, but when I came back, I didn’t understand the TV setup or how the bills worked—I had to Google how to use a supermarket trolley!”
On Customer Service in the UK vs the US:
“In Britain, you could die at your table and no one would notice. In America, they’re flipping the table before you’ve finished dessert!”
On British Food Myths:
“Everyone thinks British food is terrible—it’s not. It’s fresh, local, and full of flavor. You just have to get out of London and explore.”
On WhatsApp Culture:
“Every time you make plans, someone creates a WhatsApp group. I went through mine—there were 27 groups. Half of them extinct!”
On Language Differences:
“In Britain, it’s not Blink 182—it’s Blink one-eight-two. I said it the American way and got stared at like I was from Mars.”
On the New Chapter of Her Writing Life:
“This new column is a way of reconnecting—reporting on the absurd, the charming, and the everyday of modern British life.”
On Grocery Store Hierarchies:
“You know you’re in a posh neighborhood when there’s a Waitrose. And yes, I can walk to mine. That’s my excuse!”
00:00 Introduction to Toni Hargis and Brit Buzz 02:34 Weather and Climate Changes in Britain 05:12 Reflections on British Culture and Customer Service 09:13 Technology and Communication: WhatsApp in the UK 11:20 Cultural Acclimatization: Toni's Experience 14:18 Cultural References and British Media 17:17 Americanisms in British English 20:05 Grocery Store Culture in Britain 24:33 The Evolution of British Cuisine 25:54 Cost of Living: A Transatlantic Comparison 30:03 Cultural Insights: Understanding British and American Perspectives 35:13 Navigating Transportation: The British Train System 40:38 Catching Up with British Culture: TV and Theatre 46:49 Future Writing: Eccentricities and Reader Engagement 49:04 anglotopia-podcast-outro.mp4
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas interviews photographer and adventurer Quintin Lake about his remarkable journey walking the entire coastline of Great Britain. Over five years, Quintin captured the beauty and diversity of Britain's shores through his photography, documenting the challenges and discoveries he made along the way. The conversation explores his inspiration, preparation, memorable encounters, and the profound impact the journey had on his perspective of Britain and himself. In this conversation, Quintin Lake shares his extraordinary journey of walking around the coast of Britain, discussing the challenges and insights gained along the way. He reflects on the beauty of capturing the perfect light in photography, the rich history of places like Northumberland, and the differences in camping rights between Scotland and England. Quintin also highlights the role of social media in enhancing his travel experience, the importance of both natural and industrial landscapes, and the evolving appreciation of architecture. He shares anecdotes of wildlife encounters, the impact of the pandemic on his journey, and the meticulous process of selecting photographs for his book. Finally, he reveals his future plans to climb and camp on the mountains of England and Wales, emphasizing the joy of exploration and discovery.
Producer's Note: You'll want to watch the YouTube/video version of this episode if you can, as Quintin shared a ton of pictures with us that he gave us permission to put into the video (we've also set up a gallery you can browse as well, see links below)
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, Jonathan Thomas discusses the new goal for the Friends of Anglotopia membership club and shares insights on how to explore London on a budget of $100 a day. He covers various aspects of budget travel, including accommodation, free attractions, transportation, and dining options, providing practical tips for travelers looking to experience London without breaking the bank.
In this episode of the Anglotopia podcast, host Jonathan Thomas engages historian John Ferling in a deep exploration of the American Revolution, emphasizing its global implications and the international dynamics that shaped the conflict. Ferling discusses his extensive research, the surprising elements he uncovered, and the various perspectives from both American and British sides. The conversation also delves into the role of France in the revolution, the impact of propaganda, and the reasons behind Britain's eventual defeat.