Human Inclusive

Lia James & Christopher Guest

The human inclusive podcast curates stories of diverse populations while amplifying voices of marginalized communities.

  • 51 minutes 43 seconds
    We Want to See Progress! How did they get their diversity initiatives started?

    And we’re back! We’ve been behind the scenes producing more exciting interviews to share with you to dive into conversations about neurodiversities, learnings and best practices from folks who are making big changes with organizations to be more inclusive sexual harassment, and so.much.more! Each of the upcoming releases we are sharing new and different styles of recording from live recordings to video podcasts. We cannot wait to share all of these with you!

    In this episode, we recorded a live panel discussion at Mile High Agile in Denver, Colorado on May 29th with panelists Mo Abdullah — CEO and Founder of Culture Energized, Natalie Bonifede — Global Director of Diversity and Inclusion at Pivotal Software, and Lauren Burgess — CEO and Founder of Garden, Inc and Dirt Coffee

    We kick off the discussion with an Energizer led by Mo. You won’t hear that in this recording, but to give you some insight into how we all jumped into the discussion, Mo had everyone stand up and enter the space in the center of the room. She led us through a few exercises to get our blood pumping where we walked around the room doing a little movement that she called the “peanut butter jelly” until she called out to “find a partner.” With our partners we high five’d and booty-bumped before kicking off mini discussions based on prompts she gave us about our awareness level and understandings of diversity and inclusion. Check out more from Culture Energized on how to partner with them to plan your next team retreat!

    In this live recording of the panel, we dive into a few key topics to help our audience think through actionable steps they can apply within their teams.

    Jump ahead if you’re looking for a specific part of the conversation:

    9:00 - Introductions of panelists

    20:05 - Culture fit vs. Culture Add

    23:53 - Unconscious vs. Implicit Bias

    27:37 - Changing the hiring process

    31:27 - The different dimensions of diversity and team norms

    33:10 - Team conflict with diversity

    41:18 - Recommended resources

    Additional resources:


    More about our panelists:
    Natalie Bonifede - Natalie is a Diversity & Inclusion leader with extensive experience working at the intersection of technology and social impact. Equal parts strategist, executor, and consultant, Natalie has consistently partnered with companies to drive meaningful and material change in early-stage startups, complex corporate environments, and pre/post IPO companies.

    Mo Abdullah - Mariam (Mo) Abdullah is the Founder of Culture Energized and an experienced certified trainer and entrepreneur. Originally from Atlanta, Georgia, Mo has worked with over 60 schools and organizations across the U.S in improving positive culture through professional development trainings. With her electrifying facilitation style, she has been able to impact diverse groups of people while shining light on the issues that matter!

    Lauren Burgess - Lauren Burgess is the founder and CEO of Garden, Inc., Dirt, and Neighbors, social enterprises working to redefine what it means to live and work with a disability in a neurodiverse world. She is a Colorado native, has her masters in Educational Psychology from the University of Colorado, and is trained in Applied Behavior Analysis. She spends her days working with individuals with neurodiversities, like autism, and the companies who employ them.

    Special thanks to:

    • Dante32 for hosting our podcast episodes
    • Justin Ramos for music creation and production
    • Mile High Agile - is a conference to elevate the state of agile practices, educating a wide audience from novices to gurus, technical professionals to business executives. Mile High Agile is the premier regional gathering of Agile and Lean practitioners and a unique opportunity for companies to network with an expected audience of 1000 attendees, partners, and talented professionals in IT, software, management, and beyond.
    • Podcast Production by Christopher Guest and Lia James
    • Podcast Editing by Christopher Guest
    13 June 2019, 6:00 pm
  • 45 minutes 30 seconds
    Race, gender, and a two-year job search

    “I’m not a junior, I’m not entry level. I’m a black woman in tech. I need these accolades to compete.” In this episode of Human Inclusive, Christopher Guest and Lia James explore the story of Dede Tetsubayashi, a senior Product Manager with a background in Computer Science and Anthropology who faced a two-year job search. With help from two experts, Dr. Tiffany Jana and Dr. Deborah Egerton, we dig into the barriers in Dede’s job search before she landed in her role at WeWork. We want to understand why she faced so many roadblocks during this time. What happened that caused her search to extend the span of most Silicon Valley techies’ tenure at any of the giant tech companies.

    With the help of our guest experts we discuss intersectionality, gender, race and the impact of conscious as well as unconscious biases.

    There have been several studies over the last century which show the stereotypes behind an assumed intelligence of blacks compared to whites. A report from 2018 by Dupree and Fiske eludes that unconscious bias and microaggressions build upon these low-competence stereotypes perpetuated by white groups.

    Research by the Kapor Center shows that in Silicon Valley, men constitute 70% of the workforce, Asian and White women comprise a combined 26% of the professional workforce, while Black, Latinx, and Native American/Alaskan Native women each constitute 2% or less.

    It goes further to say that among all women employed in computer and information science occupations, 56% are white women, 32% are Asian women, 7% are Black women and 5% are Latinx women.

    While women currently make up roughly half of the overall workforce, they are just 35% of the technology workforce. Women of color currently constitute 18% of the overall population, but 39% of the female-identified population in the United States - and by 2060 women of color will comprise the majority.

    For more information on our guests:

    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32.

    7 March 2019, 3:00 pm
  • 42 seconds
    January 2019 Teaser

    2019 is in full swing, and we are working hard to get some great episodes to you as we conclude our first season. In the upcoming weeks you'll hear from leading DEI experts: Dr Tiffany Jana of TMI Consulting and Dr Deborah Egerton of Trinity Transition Consultants. We are excited to dive into issues such as getting hired as a person of color in technology, and harassment in the workplace.  Stay tuned!

    Dr Tiffany Jana: @tiffanyjana (instagram + twitter) TMI Consulting @tmi_consulting (Instagram)

    Dr Deborah Egerton: @debegerton (twitter) Trinity Transition Consultants

    Overcoming Bias: https://amzn.to/2MRfOFH

    Erasing Institutional Bias: https://amzn.to/2LxgfAp

    and the B-Corp Handbook: Second Edition: https://amzn.to/2BPfcfs

    Stay up-to-date with what’s new by following us on Instagram: @humaninclusive

    For more information visit our website: www.humaninclusive.com

    17 January 2019, 11:00 pm
  • 29 minutes 52 seconds
    Businesses prioritizing D&I: Detroit Labs

    Christopher and Lia talk with Erika Languirand, Director of Training and Development at Detroit Labs, about how diversity became embedded into their DNA, why they start off day one with their diversity policy rather than writing code, and their amazing apprenticeship program that helped them create a more inclusive and diverse team. Our hope is that you’ll learn from some of the examples Erika shares from Detroit Labs’ learnings in order to make a difference in your own organization.

    Follow Erika Languirand and Detroit Labs on social media:

    Erika Languirand: @erikalanguirand (Instagram + Twitter) email: [email protected]

    Detroit Labs: @DetroitLabs (Instagram + Twitter) web: www.detroitlabs.com


    Stay up-to-date with what’s new by following us on Instagram: @humaninclusive


    For more information visit our website: www.humaninclusive.com


    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32

    20 December 2018, 12:00 pm
  • 28 minutes 6 seconds
    Untold Stories of Entrepreneurs: Ehi Aimiuwu of Geek Empowered

    Christopher and Lia explore entrepreneurship with Ehi Aimiuwu founder of tech consultancy, Geek Empowered and podcast, Code Burnout. Ehi shares her experiences as she decided to leave corporate America to reinvest in her surrounding community -- the imposter syndrome, the motivation, and a peek behind her entrepreneur curtain.

    For more behind-the-scene scoop on Ehi’s work, follow Code Burnout: @codeburnout and Geek Empowered: @GeekEmpowered on Instagram and Twitter.

    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32

    6 December 2018, 6:30 pm
  • 34 minutes 47 seconds
    Trans Stories in Demand: it’s not trendy, it’s real life Part 2

    Christopher and Lia continue their talk with Hope Giselle, Jasmine Lopez, and Andrea Mares as they explore topics that affect the trans community.

    Missed part 1? You can download it from the same place you found this episode or listen directly here.

    Follow these women on social media:

    Hope Giselle: Instagram & Twitter - @HopeDisguised
    Jasmine Lopez: Instagram: @fudgepop.in

    Andrea Mares: Instagram & Twitter - @andrea7mares

    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32

    18 November 2018, 7:00 pm
  • 40 minutes 5 seconds
    Trans Stories in Demand: it’s not trendy, it’s real life Part 1

    Christopher and Lia talk with Hope Giselle, Jasmine Lopez, and Andrea Mares as they explore topics that affect the trans community. Be sure to check out the continued conversation in Part 2 of this episode.

    Follow these women on social media:

    Hope Giselle: Instagram & Twitter - @HopeDisguised
    Jasmine Lopez: Instagram: @fudgepop.in

    Andrea Mares: Instagram & Twitter - @andrea7mares

    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32

    15 November 2018, 1:00 pm
  • 2 minutes 26 seconds
    Season 1 trailer

    Join us for a season of stories evaluating systemic issues in the workplace and extracting learnings used to better include marginalized or disadvantaged communities.

    Editing & Post-Production by Dante32

    9 November 2018, 7:00 pm
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