https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode with Kevin Indig originally aired in 2025, but many of the topics are even more relevant today. We'll be back soon with brand-new episodes. Enjoy the conversation.

Are Google AI Overviews killing organic search traffic?

Learn how SEO strategy must shift when visibility no longer guarantees clicks.In this discussion with SEO advisor Kevin Indig, we break down the changing search landscape.

If you are an SEO professional or site owner, this conversation clarifies why visibility is losing its direct correlation with traffic. We examine how the rise of AI-generated search results alters user behavior and why traditional ranking metrics are becoming less reliable indicators of success.

🤖 In This Episode

• Why Google AI Overviews are reshaping ecommerce search results
• How product grids, image carousels, forums, and Reddit visibility are changing in the SERP
• What brands should do now to prepare for Black Friday and Cyber Monday SEO
• Why ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and Copilot rely on different citation sources
• How YouTube, LinkedIn, Reddit, and Wikipedia influence AI search visibility
• Why simple content structure, FAQs, summaries, and key takeaways matter for both users and AI systems
• When Core Web Vitals and page speed matter most for SEO performance
• What Kevin’s AI Overview usability study revealed about clicks, trust, and user behavior
• Why rankings still matter even as organic clicks decline
• How SEO teams should rethink KPIs, share of voice, brand recall, and influence-driven measurement
• Why mentions, sentiment, and digital PR may matter more than traditional link volume
• Kevin’s prediction for Google Search, AI Mode, and the future of AI-first search experiences

This episode is packed with practical insights for SEOs, content marketers, ecommerce teams, and digital leaders trying to navigate the next era of organic search.

What do you think will matter more in the future of SEO: rankings, citations, mentions, or brand trust? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

✅ Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more expert conversations on SEO, marketing, and growth (https://open.spotify.com/show/4mMTmBqGA8VpGGL7ItUtGk?si=i_1e0LnzR2OLUSXjMip-uQ).Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media (https://www.movingtrafficmedia.com)🔗 Resources & Links Mentioned in This Episode• Kevin Indig on Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinindig/)• Growth Memo Newsletter (https://www.kevin-indig.com/newsletter/)• AI Overviews Usability Study (https://www.kevin-indig.com/ai-overviews-usability-study)• Google E-commerce SERP Features 2025 vs. 2024 (https://www.growth-memo.com/p/google-e-commerce-serp-features-2025)• LLMs and Content Structure (https://www.growth-memo.com/p/what-content-works-well-in-llms)• Measurement Shifts (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevinindig_the-new-normal-activity-7361369910809092096-sygI)Follow the Page 2 Podcast• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@thepage2podcast922)• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/company/page2podcast)• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ThePage2Podcast/)Follow Jon Clark• Jon Clark on Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/jonclark.co)• Jon Clark on Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppcmarketing/)

https://page2pod.com - While we're in between seasons we are revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode originally aired in 2025. AI search is changing everything marketers thought they knew about visibility, rankings, and SEO.

Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Metehan Yeşilyurt, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer of AEO Vision, to explore how ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, Gemini, and other AI-powered search experiences are reshaping the future of digital marketing.

Metehan shares his journey from traditional SEO and SaaS growth into the rapidly evolving world of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), where visibility is no longer about ranking in ten blue links—it's about becoming the source AI systems choose to cite.

The conversation dives deep into how large language models retrieve information, the role of Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF), why brand visibility may be more important than rankings, and how content creators can adapt their strategies for an AI-first internet.

From AI citations and content structuring to YouTube optimization, schema, freshness signals, and the future of agentic commerce, this episode delivers actionable insights for SEOs, marketers, founders, and content creators preparing for the next era of search. 

• Why traditional SEO fundamentals still matter in the age of AI search
• How ChatGPT and Perplexity select and rank citations
• Understanding Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF) and AI retrieval systems
• Why AI visibility is becoming more important than traditional rankings
• How brand mentions and citations influence LLM responses
• The relationship between content freshness and AI search performance
• Practical ways to structure content for both humans and AI systems
• Why YouTube may be one of the most underrated AI optimization channels
• The truth about schema markup and LLMs
• How Perplexity, ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini differ in content retrieval
• The growing role of social platforms, Reddit, and community-driven content
• AI share buttons and how they may influence future visibility
• What agentic commerce means for eCommerce marketers
• Predictions for the future of SEO, AI search, and digital marketing

Whether you're an SEO professional, content strategist, marketer, or business owner, this episode offers a valuable framework for understanding where search is heading and how to stay ahead.

👉 Subscribe for more conversations with industry leaders shaping the future of SEO, AI, and digital marketing.

💬 Comment below: Which AI platform do you think will dominate search by 2027—ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, Claude, or something else?

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media → https://www.movingtrafficmedia.com

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

✅ Page 2 Podcast on Youtube → https://www.youtube.com/@thepage2podcast922

✅ Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/company/page2podcast

✅ Page 2 Podcast on Facebook →  https://www.facebook.com/ThePage2Podcast/

Follow Jon Clark

✅ Jon Clark on Bluesky → https://bsky.app/profile/jonclark.co

✅ Jon Clark on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppcmarketing/

#AISEO #AEO #AnswerEngineOptimization #ChatGPTSEO #PerplexityAI #AIVisibility #LLMOptimization #GenerativeEngineOptimization #SEO #DigitalMarketing #AISearch #GoogleAI #GeminiAI #ClaudeAI #ContentMarketing #SearchMarketing #SEOPodcast #Page2Podcast #MarketingStrategy #FutureOfSearch

https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode with Claudia Tomina originally aired in 2025, but many of the topics around local search disruption and Google My Business strategy are even more relevant today. We'll be back soon with brand-new episodes. Enjoy the conversation.

What actually moves the needle in local SEO today? Local SEO expert Claudia Tomina pulls back the curtain on Google Business Profile rankings, revealing the factors most businesses overlook—from category selection and review velocity to suspensions, service-area businesses, and Google's evolving AI-powered search experience and online visibility. If you want actionable strategies to improve your local visibility and stay ahead of where Google is headed next, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Whether you're managing a single location, a multi-location franchise, a restaurant, law firm, roofer, or home services business, this episode dives into the nuances of local SEO that often get overlooked.

📍 In This Episode

• How Claudia approaches a complete Google Business Profile audit

• Why business categories are one of the most important local ranking factors

• The impact of primary vs. secondary categories on local visibility

• How business names influence Google Maps rankings

• What "Popular Times" data reveals about ranking boosts

• Why restaurants often have unique advantages in local search

• Local SEO strategies for service-area businesses like roofers and contractors

• The truth about service areas and Google Maps rankings

• Best practices when moving a business location without losing reviews

• How to handle Google Business Profile suspensions and reinstatements

• Common causes of suspensions and deceptive content violations

• Why review recency matters more than most businesses realize

• How review campaigns can improve rankings and engagement

• The relationship between reviews, services, menus, and keyword rankings

• Why citations still matter in modern local SEO

• Insights on Yelp, Apple Maps, Angie, and other trust signals

• Local SEO tools for multi-location brands and franchises

• Whether Google Business Profile posts still impact rankings

• Why photos and videos have become powerful local SEO signals

• How Google AI is detecting suspicious review behavior

• What business owners should know about Google's new review moderation systems

• Claudia's predictions for AI Mode and the future of local search

This episode is packed with practical local SEO tactics, ranking insights, and real-world examples that can help businesses improve visibility in Google Maps and local search results.

👉 Subscribe for more expert interviews covering SEO, PPC, AI, content marketing, and digital growth strategies.

💬 Comment below: What's been your biggest challenge with Google Business Profiles—reviews, rankings, suspensions, or AI changes?

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media → https://www.movingtrafficmedia.comFollow the Page 2 Podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Youtube → https://www.youtube.com/@thepage2podcast922✅ Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/company/page2podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/ThePage2Podcast/Follow Jon Clark✅ Jon Clark on Bluesky → https://bsky.app/profile/jonclark.co✅ Jon Clark on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppcmarketing/

https://page2pod.com - Google I/O 2026 may have marked the biggest transformation in Google Search in over 25 years. In this episode of the Page Two Podcast, Jon Clark, Joe DeVita, and Constance Chen break down the most important announcements from Google I/O and what they mean for marketers, SEO professionals, ecommerce brands, and content creators.

Constance attended Google I/O in person and shares firsthand insights into Google's evolving AI ecosystem, including AI Mode, AI Overviews, Ask YouTube, Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP), Universal Cart, WebMCP, AI agents, and the future of agentic search.

The discussion explores how user behavior is changing, why traditional SEO metrics may become less important, and what businesses should be doing over the next 30 days, 90 days, and beyond to remain visible in AI-powered search experiences.

🤖 In This Episode
• Why Google is positioning AI as the future of Search rather than a search feature
• Key takeaways from Google I/O 2026 and the evolution of AI Mode
• How AI Overviews and AI Mode are merging into a seamless search experience
• What Google's redesigned search bar reveals about the future of search behavior
• How personalization and multimodal search are changing discovery
• What AI Search Agents mean for publishers, marketers, and consumers
• Why Ask YouTube could become a major visibility opportunity for brands and creators
• Understanding Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP) and Universal Cart
• How AI agents may soon complete purchases on behalf of users
• What WebMCP means for websites preparing for the agentic web
• Actionable recommendations for the next 30, 90, and 180 days
• Why video content is becoming increasingly important for AI visibility
• The future of ecommerce, content marketing, and Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)
• Predictions for Google I/O 2027 and the next wave of AI-driven search innovation

Whether you're an SEO professional, ecommerce leader, content marketer, or business owner, this episode provides practical insights into how Google's AI-first future is reshaping visibility, traffic, and online growth.

🔔 Subscribe for more expert discussions on SEO, AI search, digital marketing, and answer engine optimization.

💬 Comment below: Which Google I/O 2026 announcement do you think will have the biggest impact on your business—AI Mode, Ask YouTube, UCP, or WebMCP?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Google AI Mode
• Google AI Overviews
• Ask YouTube
• Ask Maps
• Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP)
• Universal Cart
• WebMCP
• AI Search Agents

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this season finale of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Nick Swan, founder of SEOTesting, to explore the future of SEO experimentation, AI-powered workflows, and the rise of MCP servers.

Nick shares how he accidentally built SEOTesting from a side project tracking coupon code SEO changes in Excel into a leading SEO experimentation platform used by agencies, consultants, and enterprise teams. The conversation dives deep into statistical significance in SEO testing, content refresh strategies, AI-assisted development with Claude Code and Codex, and how modern SEO teams are adapting to Google’s evolving search landscape.

⚙️ In This Episode
• 🚀 Nick Swan explains how SEOTesting evolved from a side project into a full SaaS business
• 📊 A practical explanation of statistical significance for SEO experiments
• 🤖 How Claude Code and Codex are accelerating software development
• 🔍 Why content refreshes consistently outperform many SEO tactics
• 🧠 Using Google patents and AI to generate better SEO personas
• 🔗 How MCP servers connect SEO tools, AI workflows, and automation
• 📈 Lessons from analyzing over 140,000 SEO tests
• ⚡ Why AI agents may soon be making SEO changes autonomously
• 🛠️ Insights into building scalable SEO workflows for agencies and in-house teams
• 📚 Nick’s favorite startup and productivity resources for founders

The episode also explores:
• How SEO split testing actually works
• Why content refreshes remain one of the highest-performing SEO tactics
• How AI workflows and MCP servers are reshaping SEO tooling
• The role of personas and query fan-out in AI-driven content optimization
• Why agencies and enterprise teams still need reliable SEO infrastructure
• The future of automated SEO monitoring and agentic workflows
• Startup lessons from bootstrapping a SaaS company for nearly a decade

This episode is packed with actionable SEO insights, AI workflow ideas, and startup lessons for marketers, founders, and technical SEOs alike.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• SEOTesting.com → https://seotesting.com/
• Nick Swan on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickswan/
• Nick Swan on Twitter → https://x.com/nickswan
• SEOTesting MCP Server → https://www.loom.com/share/07db5eddb12b44b1abca348895d567df
• SEOTesting.com 45 Day Extended Free Trial Offer → https://seotesting.com/partner/page2pod/

📣 Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more interviews with leading SEO founders, growth marketers, and AI innovators shaping the future of search.

💬 Comment below: What SEO workflow or AI automation are you most excited to test in 2026?

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Aimee Jurenka, SEO and AI Visibility Strategist at Rickety Roo and founder of seo SUSTAINABLE, to unpack what SEO looks like as AI search, LLMs, and answer engines reshape brand discovery.

Aimee explains why modern SEO strategy is moving beyond traditional keyword targeting and toward topic entities, semantic associations, brand positioning, and what a company wants to be known for. She shares how marketers can measure brand visibility inside LLMs, why one-off prompt tracking can be misleading, and how SEOs can use competitor comparisons, branded queries, and content gaps to improve visibility across AI-driven search experiences.

🔍 In This Episode

• Why keyword research is becoming fuel for broader topic entity strategy
• How to think about what your brand wants to be known for in AI search
• The difference between what LLMs know about your brand and what they associate you with
• Why single-shot prompt tracking can create unreliable visibility data
• How branded search, mention rate, and competitive context help measure AI visibility
• The role of semantic triplets in clarifying brand identity and positioning
• Why side-by-side comparison content can outperform generic listicles
• How small businesses can learn from larger competitors without copying them
• What SEOs should understand about AI crawlers, bots, and technical accessibility
• How tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Perplexity, NotebookLM, and Screaming Frog fit into AI visibility workflows

This episode is packed with practical insights for SEOs, content strategists, and marketers who want to build stronger brand visibility across both traditional search and emerging AI answer engines.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with SEO leaders, AI search strategists, and digital marketing experts.

What do you think is the biggest shift in SEO right now: AI visibility, entity optimization, or brand authority? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Aimee Jurenka on LinkedIn
• Sitebulb article referenced in the episode
• Rickety Roo
• seo SUSTAINABLE
• John Mueller’s Q2 news mention

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark sits down with Shahzad Abbas, VP of AI and Search Strategy at Define Media Group, to explore how AI is transforming the economics of news publishing, search visibility, and audience growth.

Shahzad shares insights from a massive analysis of billions of clicks, revealing why breaking news is still thriving, how Google Discover is overtaking traditional search for many publishers, and why that traffic may be less valuable than it appears. The conversation digs into the changing role of SEO, the rise of answer engines, AI-driven search behavior, and what publishers need to do to stay visible as the search landscape evolves.

📰 In This Episode
• Why breaking news still performs well in an AI-driven search world
• How Google Discover is changing traffic patterns for publishers
• Why Discover traffic can be high-volume but lower-value
• What AI search means for newsrooms, publishers, and SEO teams
• How publishers should rethink visibility beyond traditional Google Search
• The role of Search Console data in understanding real performance
• Why collaboration, experimentation, and adaptability matter in modern SEO
• Shahzad’s perspective on leadership, consulting, and building strategy in fast-changing environments

This episode is a valuable listen for publishers, SEO professionals, content strategists, and media leaders trying to understand what visibility looks like in the age of AI and answer engines.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of search, SEO, content strategy, and digital visibility.

What do you think will matter more for publishers in the next few years: Google Search, Google Discover, or AI answer engines? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Shahzad Abbas on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/shahzadabbas/
• AI Overviews Study → https://www.definemg.com/breaking-news-thrives-in-the-age-of-ai/
• Meat Loaf will help you fix your website → https://www.tvguide.com/news/meat-loaf-seo-1004749/
• Define Media Group → https://www.definemg.com/

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Everett Sizemore, a 15-year SEO veteran and fractional SEO director at eSizemore Consulting, to unpack how brands can create clearer, more structured content for search engines, answer engines, and AI-generated results.

Everett explains why semantic triples — simple subject-predicate-object relationships — are becoming increasingly important for helping machines understand what a brand is, what it does, and how its key entities connect. The conversation explores why many SaaS companies struggle to describe themselves consistently, how unclear language creates confusion across search and AI systems, and why “cutting the fluff” is more than just a writing preference — it is an SEO strategy.

The episode also covers practical SEO tactics including content pruning, building content inventories, using tools like Screaming Frog, Google Search Console, Google Analytics, and Ahrefs, and revisiting foundational assets like FAQs, persona pages, and HTML sitemaps.

🧠 In This Episode
• Why semantic triples matter for modern SEO and AI search visibility
• How brands can define entities more clearly across their websites and profiles
• Why SaaS companies often confuse users, search engines, and LLMs with vague positioning
• How plain, structured language helps search engines and answer engines understand meaning
• Why content pruning starts with a complete content inventory
• How Screaming Frog, Google Search Console, Google Analytics, and Ahrefs can support pruning decisions
• Why FAQs, persona pages, and HTML sitemaps are making a comeback
• What SEOs can learn from the shift from traditional search to AI-generated answers
• Why the best AI-era SEO strategies often come back to fundamentals: clarity, consistency, and discipline

This conversation is a practical guide for SEOs, SaaS marketers, and content teams who want to build clearer, more machine-readable websites that perform across both search and AI-driven discovery.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with SEO leaders, digital marketers, and search innovators helping brands move beyond Page 2.

Comment below: What is one part of your website or brand messaging that could be made clearer for search engines and AI tools?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Everett Sizemore on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/everett
• Everett Sizemore Official Site → https://esizemore.com/
• 2016 "Defining and Mapping Your Brand for Google" SearchCon Presentation → https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/defining-mapping-your-brand-for-google-a-slightly-technical-guide-for-growing-your-brand-as-an-entity-in-the-knowledge-graph/54936502
• Everett's Semantic Triple Recommendations → https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-why-create-list-semantic-triples-your-brand-voice-sizemore-8pjbc/
• Cruftfinder → https://youtu.be/6Sf_xkoHIUI?si=p0gFjEH-ZNFqwsut
• LLM Bottom of Funnel Approach → https://www.linkedin.com/posts/everett_at-a-certain-point-someone-needs-to-buy-something-share-7331506379997794304-YXrc/

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Darren Shaw, founder of Whitespark, to explore how AI is transforming local search and what it means for businesses trying to rank in Google.

Darren shares insights from over 20 years in local SEO, including how traditional ranking signals like reviews, citations, and proximity are being reinterpreted by AI-powered systems. We dive deep into review strategies, semantic SEO, citation optimization, and how tools like AI-driven maps and Ask Maps are reshaping visibility.

If you're a local business owner, marketer, or SEO professional, this episode is packed with actionable strategies to help you stay ahead in an AI-first search landscape.

🚀 In This Episode
• 🧠 How AI is rewriting traditional local SEO ranking signals
• ⭐ Why review recency and consistency matter more than ever
• 📍 The hidden risks of removing your Google Business Profile address
• 🔍 How AI uses reviews as training data for search results
• 🧾 The power of citation optimization and semantic triples
• 📊 What “review diversification” means and why it’s critical
• 🤖 How Ask Maps and AI interfaces are shaping local discovery
• 📸 Using images and content strategically for AI visibility
• 🧩 Why niche specialization can outperform larger competitors
• 🛠️ The evolving role of SEO tools in an AI-driven future

This episode breaks down the future of local SEO and gives you a practical roadmap to adapt your strategy for AI-powered search.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Darren Shaw on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrenshawwhitespark/
• Whitespark Local SEO Tools → https://whitespark.ca/
• Whitespark Reputation Builder → https://whitespark.ca/reputation-builder/
• Local Ranking Grid Software → https://whitespark.ca/local-rank-tracker/
• 2026 Local Ranking Factors → https://whitespark.ca/local-search-ranking-factors/

👉 Don’t miss future insights on SEO, AI, and digital strategy—subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast الآن!

💬 What’s YOUR biggest challenge with AI and local SEO right now? Drop a comment below—we’d love to hear your thoughts!

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with SEO powerhouse Lily Ray to unpack the future of search in the age of AI. From her new consultancy Algorythmic to the evolution of E-E-A-T and the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), Lily shares cutting-edge insights on how brands can stay visible in both Google and AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT.

They dive into how SEO teams are adapting to rapid AI advancements, why foundational SEO still matters more than ever, and what’s actually working (and not working) when it comes to ranking in both traditional search and LLMs. Plus, Lily reveals how she uses tools like Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT to build workflows, analyze data, and stay ahead of algorithm updates.

If you’re a marketer, SEO, or business owner trying to navigate the chaos of AI search, this episode is packed with practical strategies and future-proof insights you can’t afford to miss.

🔍 In This Episode
• 🤖 Why AI search (AEO & GEO) is reshaping SEO strategy
• 📈 How E-E-A-T still drives long-term success in AI and Google
• 🧠 The real relationship between Google rankings and ChatGPT visibility
• ⚠️ Risky AI SEO tactics that could get your site penalized
• 🛠️ How Lily Ray uses Claude, Gemini & AI tools for SEO workflows
• 🔎 The truth about algorithm updates and how to recover from traffic drops
• 📊 Measuring success in AI search when attribution is broken
• 🌐 Why controlling your brand narrative on your website is critical
• 🚀 The future of SEO teams, roles, and AI-driven workflows

This episode breaks down exactly how to adapt your SEO strategy for the AI-first search landscape.

👉 Subscribe for more expert insights on SEO, AI, and digital marketing every week!
💬 Drop a comment: Are you focusing more on Google SEO or AI search (ChatGPT, Gemini, etc.) right now?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Lily Ray on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/lily-ray-44755615
• Lily Ray's Substack (you should subscribe!) → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/
Lily Ray's new consultancy algorythmic → https://algorythmic.co/
• Google Discover Algorithm Update → https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2026/02/discover-core-update
• What Does it Take to Rank in Google Discover → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/what-does-it-take-to-rank-in-google-discover/
• Answer Engine Optimization Guide → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/answer-engine-optimization-aeo-evolving-your-seo-strategy-in-the-age-of-ai-search/
• Google's Crack Down on Self-Promotional Listicles → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/p/is-google-finally-cracking-down-on
• Lily Ray's Page 2 Podcast Episode 46 → https://page2pod.com/episodes/46-lily-ray
• Lily Ray's Affiliate Summit West presentation → https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/affiliate-summit-west-lily-ray-keynote-2026/286005569

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Ross Simmonds to unpack one of the biggest shifts happening in search today: Reddit's rise in Google rankings and AI-generated answers.

After analyzing over 8,500 keywords across 13 B2B brands, Ross reveals why long-tail queries—once ignored due to "zero search volume"—are now driving real traffic, conversions, and visibility across both Google and LLMs.

We dive deep into how brands are losing control of their narrative to anonymous users, why Reddit is dominating bottom-of-funnel searches, and how marketers can adapt with a distribution-first mindset. Ross also shares tactical frameworks for building a Reddit presence, blending organic and paid strategies, and leveraging AI to scale smarter—not just faster.

Whether you're in SEO, content marketing, or growth, this episode will completely reshape how you think about visibility in 2026 and beyond.

🚀 In This Episode
• Reddit now dominates high-intent, long-tail search queries
• Why "zero search volume" keywords are actually gold opportunities
• How AI and LLMs amplify Reddit content in search results
• The 3-account Reddit strategy every brand should use
• Why most marketers fail (and get banned) on Reddit
• How to reverse-engineer viral Reddit posts using historical data
• The shift from "create more" to "distribute first" marketing
• Blending Reddit organic + paid for high-performing campaigns
• How AI tools like Claude are transforming content workflows
• Why distribution is no longer a "nice-to-have" but a necessity

This episode breaks down exactly how modern marketers can win in a world where search, AI, and community-driven content collide.

👍 If you found this valuable, make sure to subscribe for more insights on SEO, AI, and content marketing strategy.
💬 Drop a comment below: Are you currently using Reddit in your marketing strategy—or still ignoring it?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Follow Ross Simmonds on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosssimmonds/
• Follow Ross Simmonds on X https://x.com/TheCoolestCool
• Follow Ross Simmonds on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/rosssimmondsig/
• Ross Simmonds Personal Website https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Listen to the Ross Simmonds Show https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Foundation Inc https://foundationinc.co/
• Distribution AI https://www.distribution.ai/
• Ross' book Create Once Distribute Forever https://amzn.to/3Q05fTb
• Ross on getting banned from Reddit https://kpplaybook.com/resources/content-distribution-mastering-the-art-of-visibility-in-the-ai-era/
• The Comprehensive GEO — Generative Engine Optimization — guide https://foundationinc.co/lab/generative-engine-optimization

Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

Follow the Page 2 Podcast

• Page 2 Podcast on Youtube
• Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin
• Page 2 Podcast on Facebook

Follow Jon Clark

• Jon Clark on Bluesky
• Jon Clark on Linkedin