• 3 minutes 29 seconds
    Elon, Please Log Off

    Everyone needs a hobby. Unfortunately, instead of, say, model trains, the world’s first trillionaire’s seems to unwind by boosting calls for anti-immigrant violence on his social media platform.


    Guest: Nitish Pahwa, Slate staff writer covering business and tech.


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    Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther.

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    19 June 2026, 7:15 am
  • 27 minutes 55 seconds
    Can ChatGPT Be a Criminal Accomplice?

    People are asking artificial intelligence large language models how to do everything—even how to harm themselves and others. And while companies claim there are guardrails in place for those situations, we’ve already seen real-world instances of an LLM’s advice being used to plan a mass shooting.


    Guest: Mark Follman, national affairs editor at Mother Jones and author of “Trigger Points: Inside the Mission to Stop Mass Shootings in America.


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    Podcast production by Rob Gunther, Evan Campbell, Madeline Thames-Ducharme and Patrick Fort.


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    19 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 25 minutes 39 seconds
    Trump’s War Is Still Going to Cost You

    Oil prices fell when Trump announced a deal had been struck with Iran, but don’t mistake that for things going back to “normal.” We left “normal” a long time ago.


    Guest: Justin Wolfers, economist and professor at the University of Michigan, and author and host of Platypus Economics.


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    18 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 28 minutes 51 seconds
    Israel Alone

    Both the US and Iran are talking up a deal that will end the war and re-open the Strait of Hormuz. So why is Israel so upset about it? 


    Guest: Gregg Carlstrom, Middle East correspondent for the Economist


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    17 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 26 minutes 14 seconds
    The US Military’s Other War

    From the firing of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Charles Q. Brown Jr., to the removal of the first Black four-star general’s portrait from the Pentagon, to striking Black and women Naval officers’ names from the promotion list, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s vision for the future of the military seems to come at the expense of Black servicemembers and their careers—leading many to question if this is even the right career path to be on. 


    Guest: Clint Smith, staff writer at The Atlantic. 


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    16 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 25 minutes 54 seconds
    An Obsession with Backrooms

    Two horror films by two young directors have outmuscled an honest-to-Grogu Star Wars to become the early box office surprises of the summer.

     

    Guest: Justin Chang, film critic at The New Yorker


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    15 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 4 minutes 10 seconds
    My Clip Viral, My Spencer Pratt, My Kalshi Dived, Knicks In Five??

    It’s real: The two great flavors of What Next and What Next TBD together at last. But what’s not real? Where does a sincere speaker using a medium with a motive fall? And how much wolf can you cry before they just take you off shepherd duty?


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    Podcast production by Patrick Fort, Evan Campbell, Paige Osburn, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther.

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    12 June 2026, 5:00 pm
  • 30 minutes 13 seconds
    IPO to the Moon

    Is Elon Musk’s SpaceX leading humanity to Mars? Or is that just grandiose window-dressing for an A.I. company leading several other A.I. companies to IPOs? 


    Guest: Max Chafkin, reporter with Bloomberg Businessweek and cohost of the Everybody's Business podcast.


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn. 

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    12 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 28 minutes 5 seconds
    Fight House Lawn

    How Donald Trump rearranging the White House lawn to accommodate a UFC fight neatly mirrors the way the organization and its parent company have reshaped themselves around the president.


    Guest: Luke Thomas, MMA journalist and host of the Morning Kombat podcast. 


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    11 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 28 minutes 50 seconds
    What's the Beef with Screwworm?

    After being eradicated in the United States in the ‘60s, screwworm is back—at a time when beef is even more in demand and the American herd is already depleted. How long will consumers be forced to choose between high prices and, ugh, turkey burgers?


    Guest: Kevin Draper, New York Times business correspondent covering the agricultural industry.


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.



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    10 June 2026, 7:00 am
  • 28 minutes 54 seconds
    Trump’s B-Team

    Why would Trump choose Bill Pulte to be the new acting Director of National Intelligence? Pulte may not have a background in national security, but since he was already Director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, you have to admit it was convenient to hire from the batch of people who were already around.


    Guest: Andrew Egger, White House correspondent for the Bulwark


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    Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Ducharme, Patrick Fort, Rob Gunther and Paige Osburn.

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    9 June 2026, 7:00 am
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