I don’t think a war with Iran is what Trump — or his voters — had in mind when he campaigned on “America first.” My guest this week is Curt Mills, the executive director of The American Conservative, a magazine that champions foreign policy restraint. Mills thinks the war with Iran is a major betrayal of the voters who put Trump in the White House and has the potential to shatter Trump’s domestic coalition. 

• 01:27 - Tracking the Trump administration’s foreign policy shifts and dynamics
• 08:50 - The different strands of right-wing foreign policy
• 15:00 - Is the anti-war movement real?: Policy, polling and public opinion 
• 27:49 - Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East’s influence on U.S. foreign policy
• 40:17 - Why can’t Trump say no to Israel?
• 46:20 - How does the fallout in Iran impact Trump’s potential 2028 successors and insurgents?

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We’re going back to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years. That is, if Artemis II can get off the ground. I sat down with Jared Isaacman, the billionaire leading NASA, to hear his perspective on everything from extraterrestrial life to the timeline for sending humans to Mars. 

This interview was recorded before NASA announced the delay of Artemis II’s launch.

• 01:59 - Where are we?
• 04:00 - From entrepreneur to astronaut
• 09:04 - The “lunar futuristic junkyard”
• 15:06 - NASA’s budget
• 22:43 - Beyond NASA: Blue Origin, SpaceX and private industry
• 27:26 - The orbital economy
• 37:21 - How do we get to Mars?
• 43:31 - “Do you think there's life out there?”

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The next global leader is waiting in the wings — and no, I don’t mean China. India is the major power with the fastest-growing economy and the world’s largest population, and on the heels of trade deals with the United States and the European Union, it’s poised to become even more influential. I wanted to speak with Amitav Acharya, a prominent international relations scholar, about whether a new Indian century is about to be born.

• 01:49 - India vs. China: The race to development
• 05:26 - “The mother of all trade deals”
• 11:02 - India's “multi-aligned” foreign policy
• 17:46 - What is India’s grand strategy?
• 24:08 - The diaspora’s cultural and civilizational influence
• 41:50 - India in 2060

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A.I. is evolving fast, and humanity is falling behind. Dario Amodei, the chief executive of Anthropic, has warned about the potential benefits — and real dangers — linked to the speed of that progress. As one of the lords of this technology, is he on the side of the human race?

• 01:37 - The promise and optimism of A.I.
• 12:59 - White collar "bloodbaths"
• 25:09 - Robotics and physical labor
• 30:16 - The first “dangerous” scenario
• 42:22 - What if it goes rogue?
• 48:01 - Claude’s constitution

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Nearly four years after Roe v. Wade was overturned, where is the pro-life movement setting its sights? That’s what I wanted to know from the activist Lila Rose. We spoke last month in front of a live audience at the Catholic University of America. We debated whether her cause was prepared for the fall of Roe and whether abortion still matters at all to the right. 

• 01:55 - Live Action and undercover activism
• 05:53 - Pro-Life 101 and S.L.E.D.
• 13:36 - “The mistake of feminism”
• 17:02 - Pro-family policy
• 22:47 - The political landscape after Roe 
• 42:35 - The pro-life movement beyond politics
• 47:39 - The medical “zone of uncertainty”
• 53:53 - Why should women be pro-life?

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I want to say something that few conservatives will admit right now: Donald Trump has lost the country. The coalition he assembled to defeat Kamala Harris has evaporated, and his aggressive agenda — never mind his legacy — won’t survive if Republicans can’t win the next election.

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If you want to understand how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. became the face of American public health, you have to go back to the Covid era. Medical authorities spoke with certainty: Trust the science. Don’t listen to skeptics. But a lot of people stopped trusting experts entirely when outsiders got some things right and the establishment got some things wrong. Now those outsiders are in charge, like my guest this week. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is the director of the National Institutes of Health. I wanted to know: Can an outsider restore trust in public health institutions without undermining trust even more?

• 02:11 - How the “fringe epidemiologist” came to be
• 08:18 - What went wrong while “crushing COVID-19”
• 15:18 - “The responsibility of public health leaders”
• 28:42 - Reforming public health and the NIH
• 42:52 - Three areas of controversy plaguing public health
• 1:00:52 - Success metrics

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President Trump’s aggressive return to the White House has been disruptive in ways that will continue to reshape American — and global — governance and politics for decades. At a live event with the Library Foundation of Los Angeles, I joined my colleague Jamelle Bouie and our boss, the Opinion editor, Kathleen Kingsbury, to break down the first year of Trump 2.0. This conversation originally aired as an episode of “The Opinions.”

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Something surprising is happening to religious belief in America: It’s no longer trending downward. Are Americans becoming more religious? On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross sits down with the demographer and former pastor Ryan Burge to discuss the myths and realities of religious revival and debate whether the future belongs to ortho bros or Pagans.

• 01:32 - A new era of American religion
• 08:19 - The shifting gender balance in religion
• 13:38 - Class, education and social trust
• 18:48 - Tarot, astrology, and UFOs: Post-Christian spirituality
• 22:40 - The decline of the Seven Sisters
• 28:27 - Politics in the pews
• 40:29 - The religious and political America of 2050

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Can cellphone cameras and whistles impede President Trump’s immigration policy? On this week’s episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross speaks with Francisco Segovia, the executive director of a Minneapolis-based nonprofit on the front lines of anti-ICE activism, about how his organization is training citizens to become constitutional observers. “It’s your right to video record what your government is doing,” he says. Ross asks if there’s any enforcement he’d accept. 

• 2:56 Current dynamics on the ground in Minneapolis
• 5:03 Communities Organizing Power and Action for Latinos (COPAL)
• 6:53 Francisco Segovia's story
• 14:26 What is a constitutional observer? 
• 22:27 Reflections on Renee Good
• 28:59 Training efforts to try and keep protesters safe
• 34:42 What kind of immigration enforcement is legitimate? 

Hey, Los Angeles! Come see Ross in conversation with the columnist Jamelle Bouie and the editor of New York Times Opinion, Katie Kingsbury, on Tuesday, Jan. 20. They’ll take stock of the first year of Trump’s second term and debate the administration’s biggest actions so far and what it all means for our country. Get tickets here while they’re still available.

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What should the U.S. do next in Venezuela? President Trump’s former Venezuela envoy Elliott Abrams wants the Trump administration to push harder for full regime change. But, he and Ross debate if a democratic transition is even possible based on the administration’s interests and past American efforts in the region.

• 01:15 - The case for regime change in Venezuela
• 07:43 - The Trump administration’s current strategy
• 14:06 - The Abrams Plan: An alternative approach
• 17:50 - Oil blockades, sanctions, and military action
• 28:54 - Past transitions in Latin America
• 36:06 - The Reagan administration's “unsavory allies”
• 43:57 - Trump’s priorities are a “mystery”

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