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New York Times Opinion

Thoughts, aloud. Hosted by Michelle Cottle, Ross Douthat, Carlos Lozada and Lydia Polgreen. Every Friday, from New York Times Opinion. Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp

  • 40 minutes 5 seconds
    Jamelle Bouie and I Debate Trump’s Failing Grade

    President Trump’s aggressive return to the White House has been disruptive in ways that will continue to reshape American — and global — governance and politics for decades. At a live event with the Library Foundation of Los Angeles, I joined my colleague Jamelle Bouie and our boss, the Opinion editor, Kathleen Kingsbury, to break down the first year of Trump 2.0. This conversation originally aired as an episode of “The Opinions.”

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    25 January 2026, 11:00 am
  • 1 hour 40 seconds
    No, Young Men Are Not Returning to Church

    Something surprising is happening to religious belief in America: It’s no longer trending downward. Are Americans becoming more religious? On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross sits down with the demographer and former pastor Ryan Burge to discuss the myths and realities of religious revival and debate whether the future belongs to ortho bros or Pagans.

    • 01:32 - A new era of American religion
    • 08:19 - The shifting gender balance in religion
    • 13:38 - Class, education and social trust
    • 18:48 - Tarot, astrology, and UFOs: Post-Christian spirituality
    • 22:40 - The decline of the Seven Sisters
    • 28:27 - Politics in the pews
    • 40:29 - The religious and political America of 2050

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    22 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 47 minutes 4 seconds
    Minneapolis Feels ‘Like Being in a Civil War’

    Can cellphone cameras and whistles impede President Trump’s immigration policy? On this week’s episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross speaks with Francisco Segovia, the executive director of a Minneapolis-based nonprofit on the front lines of anti-ICE activism, about how his organization is training citizens to become constitutional observers. “It’s your right to video record what your government is doing,” he says. Ross asks if there’s any enforcement he’d accept. 

    • 2:56 Current dynamics on the ground in Minneapolis
    • 5:03 Communities Organizing Power and Action for Latinos (COPAL)
    • 6:53 Francisco Segovia's story
    • 14:26 What is a constitutional observer? 
    • 22:27 Reflections on Renee Good
    • 28:59 Training efforts to try and keep protesters safe
    • 34:42 What kind of immigration enforcement is legitimate? 

    Hey, Los Angeles! Come see Ross in conversation with the columnist Jamelle Bouie and the editor of New York Times Opinion, Katie Kingsbury, on Tuesday, Jan. 20. They’ll take stock of the first year of Trump’s second term and debate the administration’s biggest actions so far and what it all means for our country. Get tickets here while they’re still available.

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    16 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 53 minutes 34 seconds
    A Defense of U.S. Intervention in Venezuela

    What should the U.S. do next in Venezuela? President Trump’s former Venezuela envoy Elliott Abrams wants the Trump administration to push harder for full regime change. But, he and Ross debate if a democratic transition is even possible based on the administration’s interests and past American efforts in the region.

    • 01:15 - The case for regime change in Venezuela
    • 07:43 - The Trump administration’s current strategy
    • 14:06 - The Abrams Plan: An alternative approach
    • 17:50 - Oil blockades, sanctions, and military action
    • 28:54 - Past transitions in Latin America
    • 36:06 - The Reagan administration's “unsavory allies”
    • 43:57 - Trump’s priorities are a “mystery”

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    7 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 47 minutes
    ‘Making Sense With Sam Harris’ and Ross Douthat

    This week we’re sharing an episode of ‘Making Sense With Sam Harris.’ The author and podcaster recently invited Ross on his show to discuss religion and politics. But they debated so much more: the existence of God, the mystery of the cosmos, the limits of consciousness, moral progress and even whether demons walk among us.

    Note: This recording has not been fact-checked by our team.

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    1 January 2026, 10:00 am
  • 4 minutes 3 seconds
    ‘A Hard Time We Had of It’

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays! This week Ross Douthat shares one of his favorite poems for the occasion, “The Journey of the Magi,” written by T.S. Eliot, to reflect on a year one might call “interesting.” See you next year!

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    24 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 7 minutes
    Will It Ever Be Cool to Be Conservative?

    Edgelords, Groypers, Sydney Sweeney’s jeans. American pop culture is having a right-wing moment. Ross recently joined the “Popcast” hosts Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli to debate whether it will ever be truly cool to be conservative in Hollywood.

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    18 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    Is Anything Holding MAGA Together?

    After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, conspiracy theories and divisions multiplied on the right. On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross talks to Andrew Kolvet, a Turning Point USA spokesperson and executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” about what happens to a movement when its charismatic leader is gone, what it’s like to be the target of conspiracy theories, and whether there are any issues unifying conservatism now.

    • 01:32 - Andrew’s friendship with Charlie Kirk
    • 05:18 - Turning Point U.S.A.’s activism and impact
    • 11:16 - Charlie Kirk’s assassination and its aftermath
    • 18:42 - The divisions on the right start with conspiracy theories 
    • 38:28 - “Can the right hold together on Israel?”
    • 41:19 - Stress-testing the cohesion on the right
    • 56:08 - The Erika Kirk/Trump contrast

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    11 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 17 minutes
    The Shifting Politics of Transgender Rights

    The transgender rights movement in America appeared to be gaining momentum. But after suffering a big loss before the Supreme Court in June and facing a shift in public opinion, where does the fight go now? 

    On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross is joined by Chase Strangio, a transgender rights activist and a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, to discuss strategy in the courtroom and in the court of public opinion — as well as broader philosophical questions about transgender identity.

    • 02:15 - Bostock vs. Clayton County
    • 08:30 - United States v. Skrmetti
    • 22:57 - Defining sex, gender identity and transgender identity
    • 32:52 - Chase talks about “coming home”
    • 40:42 - Healthcare for transgender youth is changing
    • 56:58 - Sports and transgender athletes
    • 1:07:49 - Coexistence within the debate

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    4 December 2025, 10:00 am
  • 57 minutes 12 seconds
    He Has a Plan for the Left. It Might Involve Overthrowing the Constitution.

    Happy Thanksgiving! If you’re dreading your family’s impending political feuds over turkey and dinner rolls, we’re here to share an episode that just might help guide you. In August, Osita Nwanevu, a progressive and the author of “The Right of the People: Democracy and the Case for a New American Founding,” joined Ross for a respectful debate about how we should be interrogating the democratic system the country is built on — without yelling or threats.

    • 5:21 - What's wrong with our democracy? 
    • 10:43 - Our undemocratic founding 
    • 18:36 - The case for more U.S. states and a new constitution
    • 25:27 - Where economic reform fits into this problem 
    • 30:54 - Does Trump represent the will of the people?
    • 38:50- What Trump’s presidency says about democracy
    • 42:06 - The elusive Bernie Sanders moment 
    • 48:05 - The mystical element of our politics

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    27 November 2025, 10:00 am
  • 57 minutes 35 seconds
    It’s Deeper Than Nick Fuentes

    Is antisemitism the next chapter of “America First”? Many see the appeal of antisemitic ideas among younger conservatives as a natural consequence of a hard right nationalist turn. Yoram Hazony — a prominent advocate of nationalist politics — is trying to keep that from happening. He joins Ross to discuss the root of right-wing antisemitism and what right-wing leaders should do about it.

    • 02:12 - Just how bad is antisemitism on the right?
    • 06:24 - The generational and theological rebellion
    • 14:35 - “The virtues of nationalism” and an American cultural center
    • 25:33 - Foreign policy under nationalism
    • 29:59 - The U.S. - Israel Relationship and antisemitism
    • 45:59 - What can nationalist leaders do about antisemitism

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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    20 November 2025, 10:00 am
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