What does it mean to be truly speechless—struck dumb by beauty, grief, or awe? In this episode of Constant Wonder, host Marcus Smith sits down with Martha Barnette, co-host of the beloved radio show and podcast A Way with Words, for a wide-ranging conversation about language, wonder, and the moments that leave us reaching for words we don't have. Martha shares memories of her Greek tutor Professor Leonard Latkovski, and a remarkable moment when her father, theologian Henlee Barnette, invited Martin Luther King, Jr. to speak at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. The conversation moves through the concept of "thin places”—those uncanny moments where the boundary between the ordinary and the transcendent seems to dissolve—and closes with a handful of surprising word etymologies that reframe how we see the world. Guest: Martha Barnette is an author, word-lover and co-host of A Way with Words. Find her at www.marthabarnette.com Enjoyed this episode? Rate, review, and share it with a friend. Get bonus content in your inbox: constantwonder.substack.com Chapters: [0:00] Martha Barnette on Language and Wonder [4:20] Family Roots: Henlee Barnette [12:59] Professor Latkovski and the Love of Greek [27:54] MLK, Jr.’s Visit to Southern [34:32] When Words Fail Us [42:41] Thin Places & Thresholds [45:18] Scintillating Words Constant Wonder is a production of BYUradio. Find us at www.byuradio.org

Tama Wong didn't feel like a great gardener—until she discovered that the weeds she was battling were delicacies from across the world. Now, she forages (and farms like a forager!) for fine dining restaurants, and she encourages others to enjoy wild flavor by foraging, too. Guest: Tama Matsuoka Wong, author of "Into the Weeds: How to Garden Like a Forager" and founder of meadowsandmore.com Knotweed Crumble and more at our Substack: https://constantwonder.substack.com Chapters: (0:00) Meet Tama Wong & Wild Lawns (5:43) What is a Weed? (14:22) Foraging for Fine Dining (30:12) Cultivation and Community (32:03) Moving at the Speed of Life (38:02) Editing the Weeds (47:50) Memories in the Garden

Reverend Dr. Andrew Teal grew up wandering the ruins of Fountains Abbey in the UK—one of his "thin places." After he was ordained an Anglican priest in his twenties, he learned to find the sacred as easily in seminar rooms as on the side of the road. Teal believes in the power of inhabiting the world, be it through philosophy, poetry, or simply your presence. Guest: Reverend Dr. Andrew Teal, an Anglican priest, chaplain, fellow, and lecturer in theology at Pembroke College, Oxford University Chapters: (0:00) Introduction (3:55) Fountains Abbey (13:17) Grief and silence (20:23) Rachel's thunderbolt (24:57) Thin spaces (32:35) Prodigal sons and sacred hymns (43:34) Illumination

After severe depression turns his life upside down, Jarod Anderson heads for the woods, where he finds a renewed connection to nature: from the sacred herons of his childhood to the strange creatures of his imagination. He now shares that world with listeners as host of "The CryptoNaturalist." Guest: Jarod Anderson, host of "The CryptoNaturalist" and author of "Something in the Woods Loves You" Author page: https://www.crytopnaturalist.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jarodkanderson/ Originally aired January 22, 2025

Hugo Tagholm describes the transcendent connection between a storm at sea and a surfer sitting, many hours later, on a board. Using surfing as a metaphor for life, Tagholm urges us to show up for each other—and for the Earth—as our best-prepared selves. His is a message of hope for all of us on "Planet Ocean." Guests: Hugo Tagholm, Executive Director of Oceana UK Katherine May, author of "Enchantment: Awakening Wonder in an Anxious Age" Photo Credit: Nick Pumphrey CHAPTERS (0:00) Introduction (4:55) Hugo's childhood (9:39) Surfers Against sewage (17:36) The wonder of surfing (25:32) Conserving the oceans (35:05) Katherine May's quest for enchantment and wonder

Emmett Hoops was seven when he decided to save the nearly-extinct American chestnut tree. He's 66 now, but little else has changed since then. Together with a chorus of other chestnut-lovers, the people who grew up under those leaves and relied on those nutritious nuts tell the story of how a tree shaped generations. Guests: Emmett Hoops, Director for District 5 and Vice President for Outreach, New York Chapter of the American Chestnut Foundation (at time of recording) Andy Newhouse, Director of American Chestnut Project at SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry (at time of recording) Want to get involved with Chestnut restoration? Visit the American Chestnut Foundation online to learn more about their mission! https://www.americanchestnut.org/ Special thanks to Bethany N. Baxter for archival interviews from Appalachia conducted in 2008. Originally aired: March 20, 2024

Businesswoman Françoise Malby-Anthony traveled the world for work, until a chance encounter in the metro changed her life. Within a year, she'd quit Paris for South Africa, where she and her partner, Lawrence, established a wildlife preserve for troubled and orphaned elephants and rhinos. When Lawrence passed away suddenly, the responsibility for these animals fell to Françoise. Join us in this tale of love, loss, and connection beyond the grave. Guest: Françoise Malby-Anthony, owner of Thula Thula Private Game Reserve and author of "The Elephants of Thula Thula" Learn more about Françoise and the Thula Thula reserve on their website: https://thulathula.com/our-story/ Thula Baba traditional lullaby accessed on the Soweto Gospel Choir YouTube channel. Originally aired on March 27, 2024

The "Bear Man of India" is best known for his work rescuing sloth bears from inhumane conditions, but Kartick Satyanarayan knew he wanted to help animals from a young age. It all began with full-moon nights spent high in a jungle tree, watching a procession of wild animals visit a nearby watering hole. In the intervening 30 years, he's braved the "timber mafia" and even gunshots in a tireless crusade to protect wildlife. Guest: Kartick Satyanarayan, Co-founder and CEO of Wildlife SOS Originally aired May 29, 2024

A small-town mortician savors life. Find out why "the internet's favorite mortician" encourages people not to skip out on funerals. And why he also advises listeners not to worry about "being an inconvenience" in either life or death. Guest: Victor M. Sweeney, author of "Now Departing: A Small-Town Mortician on Death, Life, and the Moments in Between" https://www.instagram.com/victor.m.sweeney/?hl=en https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ktLen9cVM

Tara Roberts comes to find joy in learning about her ancestors—even though history once seemed too traumatic to face. Guest: Tara Roberts, author of "Written in the Waters: A Memoir of History, Home, and Belonging"

Fiona Robertson has had a lifelong fascination with the ancient standing stones that dot the British Isles. As her own life filled with storms, these megaliths became examples of endurance, able to survive millenniums of weathering. Join us as we follow Fiona through the stone lands to explore how these mysterious sites connect us to the past, redefine our present, and give us hope for the future. Fiona Robertson is a writer, editor and megalith enthusiast who takes her family across the British Isles in search of standing stones. She is passionate about archaeology, history and folklore. Visit her online to learn more about her work: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stone_lands/?hl=en