Paper Planes Podcast

Paper Planes Podcast

The Paper Planes Podcast is a marketing, entrepreneurship and business podcast dedicated to interviewing high performing CEOs, business leaders, entrepreneurs and marketing experts. We also visit The Spin Cycle in some episodes with a round up of the best marketing stories, featuring QUT's Dr Edwina Luck & Channel Seven's Patrick Condren.

  • 29 minutes 14 seconds
    S2 Ep13: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Joshua Cilento & Angus Wurth

    In this episode of The Cemoh Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by fractional CMOs Josh Cilento and Gus Wurth for a head-to-head debate on the worst rebrands in airline history. 

    Qantas vs British Airways.

    From brand trust and leadership decisions to poor research and costly reversals, they unpack what really went wrong, and what businesses of any size can learn from it.
    Because brand isn’t what you say. It’s what people believe.

    Connect with Joshua on LinkedIn
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuacilento/

    Connect with Angus on LinkedIn
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/angus-wurth-cmo/

    We’d love to hear what you think, so please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

    🌟 SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel for weekly expert marketing insights.
    If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected]
    .

    🚀 If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingLeadership #GrowthMarketing #MarketingStrategy #BrandGrowth #CMO #BusinessGrowth #CustomerExperience #MarketingConsultant

    2 March 2026, 3:28 am
  • 48 minutes 23 seconds
    S2 Ep12: Ep.12 The Fractional CMO Podcast - David King - CFO Center Australia

    In this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by David King, CEO for Eastern Australia and New Zealand at the CFO Centre, to explore why the fractional leadership model is accelerating and what it really takes to succeed as a fractional executive.

    David shares insights from over 25 years working with SME founders, explaining how fractional CFOs help businesses stabilise, scale, and transition through growth without the cost of full-time leadership. The conversation covers the shift from “part-time” to truly fractional roles, the importance of objectivity, and why mindset, resilience, and relationship-building are critical for success.

    Simon and David also discuss why fractional CMOs and CFOs work best together, how experienced executives can deliver outsized impact, and why modern businesses are increasingly supported by panels of fractional experts.

    🔗 Connect with David on LinkedIn
      / https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidcharlesking/

    We’d love to hear what you think, so please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

    🌟 SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel for weekly expert marketing insights.
    If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected]
    .

    🚀 If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingLeadership #GrowthMarketing #MarketingStrategy #BrandGrowth #CMO #BusinessGrowth #CustomerExperience #MarketingConsultant

    19 January 2026, 3:18 am
  • 47 minutes 28 seconds
    S2 Ep11: Ep.11 The Fractional CMO Podcast - Renee Smith - Fractional CMO
    12 January 2026, 4:53 am
  • 48 minutes 41 seconds
    S2 Ep10: Ep.10 The Fractional CMO Podcast - Are accountants our enemy?
    In this episode we’re joined by accountant Daniel Hay, fractional CMOs Kelly Dimkovska and Joshua “JC” Cilento, and marketing strategist Tommy Holt for a deep dive into one of the biggest business questions: Are accountants holding back marketing success — or are marketers overspending?

    This episode breaks down the real tension between marketing and finance teams, why marketing budgets get cut too early, and how businesses can align brand growth with financial strategy.

    What You’ll Learn

    ✔️ Why accountants often push to reduce marketing spend
    ✔️ How cutting marketing destroys revenue in the long term
    ✔️ The difference between brand-building vs performance marketing
    ✔️ How marketers can better communicate ROI to finance teams
    ✔️ How accountants should interpret marketing numbers
    ✔️ The role of fractional CMOs in scaling growing businesses
    ✔️ Who REALLY owns revenue growth: Marketing, Sales, or Finance?

    Packed with expert insights, real client stories, and practical frameworks, this episode is essential for business owners, CFOs, CMOs, digital marketers, accountants, and anyone trying to scale sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Tommy on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyjholt/
    https://cemoh.com/marketers/tommy-holt/

    🔗 Connect with kelly on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-dimkovska-55ba5636/
    Tuesday Logic: https://www.tuesdaylogic.com.au

    🔗 Connect with Joshua on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuacilento/
    https://www.visualacoustics.com.au/

    🔗 Connect with Daniel on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-hay-fipa-ffa-b29b126b/
    https://www.power2brisbane.com.au/

    We would love to know what you think so give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify. 

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingConsultant #CMO #MarketingStrategy #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship
    3 December 2025, 11:55 pm
  • 31 minutes 46 seconds
    S2 Ep9: Ep.09 The Fractional CMO Podcast - Caroline Warnes of Only Good Content
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by Caroline Warns, founder of Only Good Content and a seasoned B2B marketing content expert. With decades of experience in in-house marketing and communications, Caroline shares her insights on how fractional CMOs, consultants, and service-based business owners can leverage content to build personal brands, attract clients, and drive meaningful engagement.

    Caroline dives into topics like writing for LinkedIn, creating content that supports long sales cycles, repurposing content for third-party channels, and maintaining visibility in an age of AI-generated content. She also shares practical advice on how to get started with content, the importance of authenticity, and how to create visibility without overcomplicating the process.


    🔗 Connect with Caroline on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolinewarnes/
    Only Good Content: https://www.onlygoodcontent.com/

    We would love to know what you think so give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify. 

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingConsultant #CMO #MarketingStrategy #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship
    3 December 2025, 10:41 pm
  • 41 minutes 34 seconds
    S2 Ep8: S2 Ep8: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Simon Dell I CEO of CEMOH
    Thinking about becoming a fractional CMO? In this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell breaks down 10 essential steps to launch your fractional marketing business before leaving your full-time role.

    Learn how to:
     ✅ Define your niche and target market
     ✅ Build a strong personal brand and showcase your expertise
     ✅ Prepare cash reserves and set up your business structure
     ✅ Create compelling case studies to win clients
     ✅ Set pricing, service models, and contracts that work
     ✅ Build a powerful professional network
     ✅ Land your first client before making the leap

    Simon also shares a bonus tip on why hustling and networking is key to growing your fractional CMO business fast.

    Whether you’re a marketing director, senior marketer, or ex-CMO, this episode gives practical, actionable advice to start and grow your consultancy with confidence.

    🌐 Learn more at www.cemoh.com
    🔗 Connect with Simon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamsimondell/

    We would love to know what you think so give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify. 

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingConsultant #CMO #MarketingStrategy #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship

    10 November 2025, 1:00 am
  • 35 minutes 30 seconds
    S2 Ep7: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Kristy Hunter, Kelly Dimkovska & Joshua Cilento
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by Kristy, Kelly Dimkovska, and Joshua Cilento for a roundtable discussion on one of marketing’s biggest frustrations — reporting. Are detailed marketing reports a waste of time when clients rarely read them? Or are they critical for accountability and strategic alignment?

    Together, the team breaks down how to make reporting meaningful — from setting clear KPIs and speaking the CFO’s language, to using dashboards and data that actually drive decisions. They also explore the balance between hard numbers and brand impact, how to show value in complex industries, and why every CMO needs to become fluent in financial metrics.

    Packed with practical tips and real-world stories, this episode dives deep into what great reporting looks like — and how fractional CMOs can prove their worth through data that matters.

    Kelly's LinkedIn -    / kelly-dimkovska-55ba5636 
    Tuesday Logic - https://tuesdaylogic.com.au/

    Kristy's LinkedIn -   / kristyhunter-marketingspecialist 
    Hunter Marketing Co - https://www.huntermarketing.co/

    Joshua's LinkedIn -    / joshuacilento 
    Visual Acoustics - https://www.visualacoustics.com.au/

    We would love to know what you think, so give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify.

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingStrategy #businesspodcast #cemoh

    3 November 2025, 5:24 am
  • 36 minutes 44 seconds
    S2 Ep6: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Kelly Dimkovska of Tuesday Logic
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, we’re joined by Kelly Dimkovska, founder of Tuesday Logic and a seasoned marketing leader with over 15 years’ experience across healthcare, agencies, and consulting. Kelly shares how she made the leap into the fractional space, why so many businesses struggle to align marketing with commercial goals, and the quick wins that can transform client outcomes.

    We dive into her passion for healthcare marketing, the shift from agencies to fractional models, and how CMOs can bridge the gap between CEOs, CFOs, and marketing teams. Kelly also explains why conversion tracking is non-negotiable, the importance of internal marketing for HR and retention, and how to build strong, accountable client relationships.

    Kelly's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-dimkovska-55ba5636/
    Tuesday Logic - https://tuesdaylogic.com.au/
    27 October 2025, 12:25 am
  • 48 minutes 25 seconds
    S2 Ep5: Season 2: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Kateesha Hembrow of BeKnown Academy
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by Kateesha Hembrow, founder of Be Known Academy and a leading personal branding and LinkedIn coach. With experience coaching hundreds of professionals across more than 40 industries, Kateesha shares her insights on how consultants, freelancers, and fractional CMOs can use LinkedIn to attract clients and grow their personal brand.

    If you’re a fractional CMO, consultant, or service-based business owner, this episode is packed with practical tips to help you stand out, connect with decision-makers, and generate real results through LinkedIn.

    Kateesha's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kateeshahembrow/
    BeKnown Academy - https://beknownacademy.co/

    We would love to know what you think so give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify. 

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingStrategy #businesspodcast #cemoh
    8 October 2025, 4:52 am
  • 47 minutes 58 seconds
    S2 Ep4: Season 2: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Farrah Motley of Prosper Law
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, Simon Dell is joined by Farrah Motley, Director of Prosper Law. With over a decade of experience as an in-house counsel and now running her own firm, Farrah shares what fractional CMOs and consultants need to know about the legal side of marketing.

    We cover duty of care, contracts, staged payments, IP ownership, AI-created content, and what to do if a client doesn’t pay. Farrah also explains how to avoid misleading claims and why clear communication is the best legal protection.

    If you’re a fractional CMO or consultant, this episode is full of practical legal insights to keep you protected while helping clients grow.

    Farrah's LinkedIn -   / farrah-m-0b12623a 
    Prosper Law - https://prosperlaw.com.au/

    We would love to know what you think so, give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify.

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingStrategy #businesspodcast #cemoh
    29 September 2025, 12:00 am
  • 38 minutes 32 seconds
    S2 Ep3: Season 2: The Fractional CMO Podcast - Chris Jowsey of Nugget Digital
    For this episode of The Fractional CMO Podcast, we’re joined by Chris Jowsey, founder of Nugget Digital and one of Australia’s leading fractional CMOs. Chris has helped B2B and tech businesses grow with clarity and focus — and he shares insights on what really sets a fractional apart from a consultant, how to balance quick wins with long-term strategy, and why financial fluency and AI are becoming must-haves for today’s marketing leaders.

    Chris's LinkedIn -   / chrisjowsey 
    Nugget Digital - https://www.nuggetdigital.com.au/

    We would love to know what you think so, give us a rating and review on Apple Podcast and Spotify.

    🌟SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to learn weekly expert marketing tips and ideas. If you think you have a great story for the podcast, contact our producer at [email protected].

    🚀If you need help growing your business, visit cemoh.com to find an experienced marketing consultant to help you.

    #FractionalCMO #MarketingStrategy #businesspodcast #cemoh
    28 September 2025, 11:55 pm
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