There are still God-fearing, God-loving people attending Bethel Church. That's exactly what makes this episode hard to make. But in light of recent events, we have to ask: Have we reached the point of mark and avoid? This is a one-stop, 30-minute review of concerns with Bethel to see the patterns.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Remnant Radio has kept an eye on Bethel for years - through the grave soaking scandal, through Bill Johnson's daughter-in-law describing the Holy Spirit as a "genie," through the New Age framework quietly baked into Physics of Heaven, through Culture of Honor, through Bob Jones and Kenneth Copeland getting platformed anyway, and now through Shawn Bolz. We have reviewed many of these practices and situations over the years, and our comments have grown firmer and sterner toward Bethel leadership.

Now there's a new development, and it's not about doctrine. According to Mike Winger's sources, the people currently being let go at Bethel are the ones who kept asking the questions about transformation and change. If that's accurate, it isn't a staffing decision, but a pattern about the thinking and decision making of Bethel leadership.

So Josh asks the question a lot of Bethel's own alumni have been asking quietly for months, and finally says out loud what he's suspected for a while: is this still a church working through its mistakes, or has leadership moved somewhere it can't recover from? Are we at mark and avoid?

This isn't a pile-on. It's for the people who've genuinely loved this church and are trying to figure out what faithfulness looks like now that the pattern is this clear.

0:00 – Introduction
0:22 – Bethel Controversy Background
3:55 – Grave Soaking & Genie Scandal
5:34 – Michael Brown Interviews Bill Johnson
6:20 – Winger's First Bethel Review
7:21 – Physics Of Heaven Exposed
8:32 – Kenneth Copeland Endorsement
8:58 – Shawn Bolz Scandal Breaks
10:03 – Winger Exposes Shawn Bolz
13:56 – Bethel's Public Apology
16:47 – Passion Translation Plagiarism
17:23 – Layoffs And NDAs
20:01 – NDA Rights And Scripture
27:01 – PR Versus Real Repentance
29:54 – Examine Your Own Church

PLAYLIST ON POLICING THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFHSZqA1Q85VKxRrkvEYXBec

PREVIOUS RR EPISODES OF BETHEL CHURCH:
2020 - https://youtu.be/sOTdC5LnrVA
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soFFhiYZY-E
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkKILXkKWs
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRvpVqmk5RU
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6k91pFZWVc
2022 - https://youtu.be/w8b7y7mWIvg
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XlUPjWRqpc
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hseSRlFKzSM
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcgjtvc91E
2022 - https://youtu.be/9Bys8_ylGUk
2026 - https://youtu.be/TN6UbN0Vq6E
2026 - https://youtu.be/NSWzRCDTPNU
2026 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U1-rugrYZM
2026 - https://youtu.be/PEKIozi7Cjc
2026 - https://youtu.be/z0PTDwlpQPo
2026 - https://youtu.be/AcXNqe4vg6E

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You were probably taught to read Daniel like a codebook with beasts to identify, timelines to chart, and an Antichrist to spot. Dr. Jim Hamilton thinks the church has been missing the point, and he makes a compelling case that the key to Daniel's strangest visions is hiding in the stories of chapters 1–6.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Dr. Jim Hamilton, professor of biblical theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and senior pastor of Kenwood Baptist Church, joins Joshua Lewis to walk through his book With the Clouds of Heaven: The Book of Daniel in Biblical Theology. His central claim: Daniel wrote real history and real prophecy, and the apocalyptic visions of chapters 7–12 aren't a departure from the narratives of chapters 1–6, but rather a projection of them. 

Look to the patterns: Nebuchadnezzar attacks God's people, plunders the temple, and tries to indoctrinate the faithful in Daniel 1, and that same pattern gets pressed onto the end times, again and again, until it culminates in resurrection of the dead (Daniel 12:2). Dr. Hamilton makes the case that Daniel interpreted his own God-given visions through a mind saturated with earlier Scripture, describing Nebuchadnezzar's shattered statue in the language of Psalm 1 and Psalm 2. 

However, the sparks fly on the fourth man in the fiery furnace. Dr. Hamilton argues it was an angel, not the pre-incarnate Christ, and Joshua isn't ready to concede. You'll also get his take on the 70th week of Daniel, resurrection hope in the Old Testament, and why Daniel parallels the book of Revelation.

ABOUT THE GUEST:
- https://jimhamilton.info
- With the Clouds of Heaven: The Book of Daniel in Biblical Theology https://a.co/d/00WPN6Zr
- Typology: Understanding the Bible's Promise-Shaped Patterns https://a.co/d/0d5vWjzG

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 
- Waking from the Dust: Daniel 12:2 and Resurrection Hope in Biblical Theology by Mitchell L. Chase https://a.co/d/02n8iyCx
- Knowing God by J.I. Packer: https://a.co/d/0bSWnkek
- The Book of Revelation (NIGTC) by G.K. Beale: https://a.co/d/0dUD4rQ9

0:00 – Introduction
2:40 – Daniel's Theology Overview
4:30 – Dating Daniel's Prophecies
6:59 – Nebuchadnezzar Patterns Repeated
13:07 – Daniel in the Writings
16:29 – Eden to Daniel
19:57 – Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, Psalm 1
28:46 – Fourth Man Debate
46:02 – Daniel 10 Angelic Visions
49:08 – Resurrection in Daniel
57:03 – Daniel's 70th Week
1:02:42 – Closing Encouragement

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Is it wrong to publicly name a false teacher, or is staying quiet the real problem? Emma Stark of the Global Prophetic Alliance recently released a video arguing that exposure ministries are "measuring fruit in hopelessness," and that real biblical justice can only be administered through a five-fold ministry structure where prophets alone have the authority to remove someone's spiritual credibility. Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller go clip by clip through her argument.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
When leaders in charismatic and continuationist spaces are credibly accused of abuse, plagiarism, or false prophecy, who actually has the standing to say so, and does saying so publicly make you the villain? Josh and Michael walk through Emma Stark's claims of relationship with Ron Cantor, Mike Winger, JonMark Baker, and Remnant Radio, and then test her "five-fold justice" model against Proverbs 29:18, Ecclesiastes 9:18, Titus 3:10-11, 1 Corinthians 5, Ephesians 5:11, and 1 Timothy 5:20.

The core problem: scripture never assigns justice to a single office. It's given to the whole body of Christ. When that responsibility gets narrowed down to "only prophets can call this out," the practical result isn't more accountability, but less. 

This is a Word & Spirit conversation from a charismatic theology perspective. We're not cessationists, and we're not interested in throwing out the gifts of the Spirit. But when a new doctrine gets invented and taught as biblical without a single verse that actually supports it, biblical accountability requires we say so. 

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Full Emma Stark Episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY9mfDoZ35I 

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Joe Rogan's latest viral guest claims the Catholic Church genetically eliminated psychic ability from humanity through the Inquisitions. But is that true?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Joe Rogan recently hosted Dr. Dean Radin, chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, to discuss his "psi gene" theory. During the interview, Radin claimed that the Catholic Inquisitions systematically targeted and killed people with a genetic predisposition for psychic ability, effectively removing that trait from Christianized populations over centuries.

It's the kind of theory that sounds compelling on first listen. Joshua Lewis did the historical review to test it. Is this true? Josh also explores the theological question underneath all of this. Why did the early church oppose occult practice in the first place? Was it a power grab as Dr. Radin suggests?

Join us to better understand the full discussion. Don't get caught flat-footed when secular podcasts make "confident historical claims" about Christianity.

0:00 – Introduction
0:14 – Dean Radin's Psychic Research
1:28 – The Psi Genetic Project
5:50 – Joshua's Historical Analysis
7:20 – The Four Inquisitions
9:57 – Spanish Inquisition & Witchcraft
13:03 – Scientific Problems Examined
14:12 – Church, Magic, & Scripture
17:02 – Closing Thoughts

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What is simony? And where do you draw the line? Here at Remnant Radio, we do sell courses and conferences teaching people about the gifts of the spirit. We want to be honest and upfront about that, and it's exactly why we're discussing simony in this episode. We want to examine whether what we do holds up under Scripture. 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
The word "simony" comes from Acts 8, when Simon Magus tried to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit and Peter answered him: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money" (Acts 8:20, ESV). That confrontation gave the body of Christ an important category for thinking about money and ministry that we're going to explore.

What did Peter actually condemn, and what didn't he condemn? Scripture is more specific than most people realize, and the early church, as documented in the Didache, wrestled openly with where the line sits between legitimate support for ministry and exploiting the gifts of God for personal gain.

This episode takes a hard look at that line. There are things that should never carry a price tag. Prayer ministry and deliverance ministry are on that list, and we'll walk through why Scripture draws that boundary so clearly. But the conversation doesn't stop there. What about seminary or Bible college? Christian books and music? The Bible itself? 

Join us for a biblical exploration of simony and where Scripture draws the line.

0:00 – Introduction
0:21 – Ethics of Charging for Ministry
8:53 – Scripture on Giving Freely
12:20 – Isaiah 55 and Matthew 10:8
17:47 – Payment for Healing Prayers?
18:55 – Compensation for Itinerant Ministers
23:12 – Honorariums and Speaking Fees
27:18 – Bibles, Seminaries, and Simony
32:03 – Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8
37:37 – Suggested Donations for Deliverance?
51:38 – Didache on Itinerant Prophets
56:02 – Dangers of Full-Time Itinerancy

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Was America's founding a genuinely Christian project, or has that idea been read backward into history by people who want it to be true? Dr. Ben Carson, famed neurosurgeon, former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and founder of the American Cornerstone Institute, joins Joshua Lewis to make the case that the founders' faith wasn't incidental to the American project, but was foundational to it.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Carson walks through the well-known stories: George Washington's providential survival during the French and Indian War, Benjamin Franklin's call to prayer at the Constitutional Convention, John Adams' conviction that the Constitution was built for "a moral and religious people." Carson recounts these as evidence that the founders understood their rights as God-given rather than state-granted and argues this conviction is what allowed the young nation to move as fast as it did.

But this episode tackles some of the harder questions about America's Christian roots. In fact, many Christians today are wrestling with where the line falls between honoring faith's role in government and slipping into theonomy or Christian nationalism (using the Bible not just to inform conviction, but to enforce practice). Josh and Dr. Carson walk through the difficult cases, including Thomas Jefferson's private letters calling Paul "the first corruptor" of Christ's doctrine, the Treaty of Tripoli's explicit statement that the U.S. government is "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion," and the uncomfortable reality that some founders held views far messier than the Sunday-school version of American history.

What emerges is a conversation about the difference between a Christian moral framework shaping a leader's conscience and a Christian theocracy shaping a nation's laws and why the founders, having fled state-enforced religion in Europe, were careful to avoid recreating it here. Dr. Carson also addresses the founders' inconsistencies head-on, including slavery, and how a constitution "inspired" by Christian conviction could coexist with such a profound moral failure.

If you've ever felt caught between two unsatisfying camps with "America was a secular Enlightenment experiment" on one side, and "America should be governed by biblical law" on the other, this conversation gives you a third way to think about it: historically honest, theologically grounded, and avoidant to both extremes.

0:00 – Introduction
0:51 – Built on Faith Children's Book
1:00 – Washington's Providence Stories
4:34 – Christianity Twisted by Marxism
6:09 – Founders and Deism Debate
8:00 – Declaration vs Constitution
11:06 – Theonomy and Theocracy
12:47 – Christian Ethics and Lawmaking
19:12 – Washington's Christian Faith
20:50 – Jefferson's Mixed Beliefs
26:49 – Benjamin Franklin's Faith
33:39 – Treaty of Tripoli Question
35:32 – James Madison and Constitution
38:05 – Christian Political Involvement
 
RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- Dr. Ben Carson's children's book, Built on Faith (co-authored with Kirk Parrish): https://www.amazon.com/Built-Faith-Ben-Carson/dp/1967002711
- American Cornerstone Institute: https://americancornerstone.org
- Andrew Wilson, Remaking the World: How 1776 Created the Post-Christian West: https://www.crossway.org/books/remaking-the-world-hcj/
- Carl Trueman, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: https://www.crossway.org/books/rise-triumph-modern-self-hcj/
- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), Article 11 (full text): https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

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Can a prophetic word reach someone an argument never could? What if the most effective evangelism tool in Scripture is a detail about someone that only God could have known?

JonMark Baker of the Minor Prophets Podcast joins Remnant Radio to talk about the gift of prophecy and words of knowledge as on-mission tools for evangelism.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
We live in a culture that's heard plenty of arguments for God and built a callus against most of them. Apologetics still matters. But what do you do with someone whose heart hardened against Jesus before you ever opened your mouth?

That's where a word of knowledge does something logic can't. A divinely-given word proves to a stranger that God sees them, knows them, and has His eye on the actual details of their life. Paul described exactly this in 1 Corinthians 14:24-25: an outsider walks in, the secrets of his heart are laid bare through prophecy, and he falls on his face declaring that God is really among you. It's the New Testament's own case study for prophecy as evangelism.

This is a conversation about giftings doing what they were always meant to do: building up the body of Christ, and pushing back the darkness in a culture that needs reminding God is real, and still speaks.

0:00 – Introduction
2:27 – JonMark Baker
4:36 – Prophesying & Availability
9:54 – God Speaks Subtly
20:49 – Spirit, Mind, Thought
25:33 – Prophetic Evangelism Steps
36:38 – Parable of the Soils
44:36 – Power & Evangelism
49:30 – Closing Thoughts

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Samuel Rutherford helped write the Westminster Confession. He also developed a four-part test for evaluating prophetic words. That's not a charismatic running loose, but a Westminster divine doing careful pastoral theology on the gifts.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
There's an assumption that the debate over spiritual gifts is a recent one: a 20th-century Pentecostal invention set against centuries of Reformation clarity. But the historical record tells a different story. John Knox was called "the prophet and apostle of our nation." John Welsh reportedly prayed a dead man back to life. George Wishart publicly predicted Cardinal Beaton's death from the pulpit. These weren't fringe figures. They were architects of the Scottish Reformation.

In this episode, Joshua Lewis responds to a four-part viewer question that cuts to the heart of what cessationists often ask about continuationism:
 
1. Did any Protestant Reformers — Luther, Calvin, Knox, Wesley — actually affirm the continuation of miraculous spiritual gifts?
2. Are there accredited seminaries that teach continuationism, and if so, why don't more charismatic leaders pursue formal degrees?
3. Did the lack of denominational accountability in charismatic churches contribute to the scandals the show has covered?
4. Are continuationists mostly Arminian, or do Calvinists hold this position too?

Joshua works through each question with the historical and theological care. Join us for an informative episode.

0:00 – Introduction
0:34 – Questions
2:23 – Reformation-Era Continuationism
5:26 – Continuationist Seminaries
7:01 – Charismatic Anti-Intellectualism
11:27 – Denominational Accountability & Scandal
14:52 – Calvinism vs. Arminianism

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 
- Scots Worthies by John Howie (unedited, Project Gutenberg): https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28272/28272-h/28272-h.htm
- Spirit Hermeneutics by Craig Keener: https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Hermeneutics-Reading-Scripture-Pentecost/dp/0802874398
- Barna Research — "Is There a Reformed Movement in American Churches?": https://www.barna.com/research/is-there-a-reformed-movement-in-american-churches/

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The early church didn't just baptize new believers. They delivered them first. For the first several centuries of Christianity, exorcism wasn't a dramatic spectacle reserved for extreme cases. It was woven into the baptismal rite itself, practiced across traditions, and considered a normal part of welcoming someone into the body of Christ. Somewhere along the way, we forgot.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Matthew Esquivel returns to Remnant Radio to walk us through overlooked chapters in church history. We'll examine the deep and consistent link between baptism and deliverance in the early church. From the Apostolic Tradition attributed to Hippolytus of Rome in the third century, to the Seventh Council of Carthage in 258 AD, to the near-universal practice of renouncing Satan as part of the baptismal liturgy, the historical record is clear. The church fathers didn't see deliverance as a crisis intervention. They saw it as part of what it meant to cross from one kingdom into another.

This episode is for believers who want to understand deliverance ministry historically and theologically. It's for people who've seen something real in deliverance prayer but haven't had the church history to back it up. And it's for the skeptics who wonder whether any of this has any grounding in Christian tradition.

0:00 – Introduction
4:52 – Baptism & Deliverance Overview
7:31 – Defining Christian Initiation
13:29 – Baptism in Scripture
21:36 – Acts 8 & Typology
31:03 – Tertullian on Baptism
40:45 – Cyprian's Baptismal Rite
58:16 – Augustine's Exorcism Account
1:05:40 – Practical Application Today
1:11:42 – Closing Thoughts

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https://www.theremnantradio.com/intro-to-deliverance-ministry

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When reading the Bible, Christians are often trained to do one of two things: submit their interpretation to an authority or trust their feelings. Alli Patterson's new book makes the case for a third way - one where the Holy Spirit is not an alternative to good hermeneutics, but the reason they work at all.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
The conversation happening inside the body of Christ right now isn't just about cessationism or spiritual gifts. It's about authority. Who gets to interpret the Bible? The trained scholar? The anointed preacher? You?

Alli Patterson, seminary grad, teacher and author of a new Spirit-led Bible study, lands in a place you might not expect: all three, held together, under the actual leadership of the Holy Spirit.

Her six-practice method takes observation, context, prayer, and listening seriously as spiritual disciplines, not just academic ones. In this conversation, she and Josh work through how to apply a text personally without leaving Scripture behind, how to test a reading in community, and what to do when you've done everything right and still don't understand what you're reading.

This isn't a call to choose between your study Bible and your prayer life. It's a call to stop treating them as separate things.

0:00 – Introduction
2:44 – Spirit-Led Study Defined
14:18 – Six Practices Overview
20:08 – Observation and Context
25:01 – Listening to the Spirit
32:43 – Testing Personal Application
49:35 – Scripture-Guided Prayer
53:45 – Handling Difficult Passages
1:03:44 – Closing

ABOUT THE GUEST:
📖 Spirit-Led Bible Study https://a.co/d/08IpTSnd

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If a book promises to give you the heart of God while quietly replacing His words with someone else's, that's not a translation. It's a trap. And the trap has a paper trail.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
The Passion Translation has been endorsed by some of the most influential voices in the charismatic world. Bill Johnson called it the best thing to happen to Bible translation in his lifetime. It's been sold in Bethel's bookstore, read in prayer rooms, and handed to new believers across the movement.

David Fish and JonMark Baker of the Minor Prophets Podcast spent weeks comparing the Passion Translation, line by line, against its claimed sources. What they found isn't a matter of interpretation. It's documented.

Where Brian Simmons departs from the Greek text, and claims an "Aramaic" source, the renderings don't match the Peshitta, the actual Syriac New Testament. They match the Mirror Bible, The Message, and other fringe paraphrases. Fish found over 300 instances in Paul's epistles alone. Simmons also claimed co-translator credentials on a Kuna New Testament. Ethnos 360, the mission that ran the project, says he was NEVER a Bible translator. The organization's own personnel said so on record.

The second half of this episode goes deeper: into Simmons' theology. In his own words, in multiple recordings, he redefines the second coming of Christ as an unveiling of a glorified end-times people rather than a bodily return. He calls the physical second coming "not in the Bible." He says, directly: "Christ is no longer a person. He is now a body, a corporate expression." That's not a slip. That's a system, and it has a name: Manifested Sons of God theology has a long history in the fringe of the charismatic world, and Brian Simmons is teaching it from the platform the movement handed him.

Join us to hear the evidence for yourself as fellow continuationists examine the paper trail.

0:00 – Introduction
3:55 – Plagiarism Discovery Explained
5:53 – Examples of Copied Verses
8:16 – Why Simmons Changed Text
12:07 – Lessening Judgment: John 15
13:29 – Is Simmons a Universalist?
16:46 – Simmons' Fabricated Credentials
18:44 – Ethnos360 Exposes Simmons
20:01 – Manifested Sons Theology
37:21 – "I Know When Jesus Returns"
57:58 – "I Am My Lover" Clip
1:06:35 – "Christ Is No Longer A Person"
1:14:26 – Closing Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- The Minor Prophets/Mike Winger episode:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9--owgBjtA
- Andrew Chapman's Research: https://theriveroflife.com/category/the-passion-anti-translation/
- Mike Winger's Research on The Passion Translation: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ3iRMLYFlHuv-ISp_iIw1WL8zaEm86L8 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ3iRMLYFlHvXha4rjCj1Po0WLQc_jGGW
- Handbook on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament — G.K. Beale https://a.co/d/09nG966Z
- Typology-Understanding the Bible's Promise-Shaped Patterns: How Old Testament Expectations are Fulfilled in Christ - James Hamilton https://a.co/d/01jQgVDW

PETITION:
Sign the petition to request YouVersion remove the Passion Translation: https://www.change.org/p/an-appeal-to-youversion-to-remove-the-passion-translation/psf/membership-ask?experience=member&allow_actions=true

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