How to Money

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Best friends Joel and Matt are the co-hosts of How to Money which is all about providing the knowledge & tools that normal folks need to thrive in areas like debt payoff, DIY investing, and crucial money tricks that will provide continuous help along your journey. We believe that access to unbiased and jargon-free personal finance guidance is more necessary than ever before. When you handle your money in a purposeful, thoughtful way that works for your lifestyle, you can really start living a rich life.

  • 1 hour 20 seconds
    Ask HTM - 4 Hours to Dispute $3.16, All-In on the S&P 500, and Hitting Coast FIRE #1123

    We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!

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    1 - Coast FIRE: How are we doing based on how much we’ve got in our state retirement accounts?

    2 - Savings Bonds: What do I do with these 30 year old savings bonds that I was gifted back in the 90s!?

    3 - Frugal or Cheap: Is it worth spending 4 hours disputing a $3.60 incorrect charge on a medical bill?

    4 - S&P 500: After recently wising up and switching to fully invest in the S&P, how do I eventually rebalance before retirement?

    5 - Appliance Land: Refrigerator died so what should we keep in mind as we buy our new one?

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    During this episode we enjoyed a Blonde Fat Ale (CORRECTION: Fatale… I’m guessing bc of the ABV? But it really looks like Fat Ale on the can) by Backpocket Brewing – thanks Clint for sending this one along to us! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    6 April 2026, 8:00 am
  • 42 minutes 58 seconds
    Friday Flight - Stellar Staycations, Devilish Destination Fees, & Pay Cut Gut Punch #1122

    Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:

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    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

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    And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    3 April 2026, 8:00 am
  • 52 minutes 12 seconds
    Capitalism for ALL: Making the System Work for Everyone w/ John Hope Bryant #1121

    You might expect someone who experienced homelessness as a kid to grow up angry at the financial system. Instead, John Hope Bryant set out to understand it and help more people succeed within it. Our guest today believes financial literacy isn’t just helpful but foundational to economic opportunity and even human dignity. John is the founder, chairman, and CEO of Operation HOPE, one of the nation’s leading organizations focused on financial literacy, credit access, and economic empowerment. Today, we’re talking about his personal story, economic mobility, entrepreneurship, and what it really takes to build a financial system that works for everyone. We cover:

    • The ā€˜third reconstruction’
    • Doing well and doing good
    • Improving over burning our current system
    • How our economy is driven by consumer spending
    • AI upskilling and its impact on jobs
    • Capitalism isn’t a blue vs red political choice
    • Ladders of economic mobility
    • Incentivizing corporations to help those in need
    • The ā€˜American bet’ and what he thinks will give you a good shot at success
    • And plenty more!

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    1 April 2026, 8:00 am
  • 55 minutes 57 seconds
    Ask HTM - Marriage Goals Over Investing, SS Survivor Benefits at Age 30, & Best Cars for New Mamas #1120

    We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!

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    1 - Marriage goals: Now that we have more cash coming in, should we invest more or have a wedding?

    2 - Skipping life insurance: Why shouldn’t I just forego term life if I can claim social security survivor benefits?

    3 - DCFSA: Is it legal for my partner to claim our new daughter in order to contribute more to a dependent care flexible spending account?

    4 - New cars: First-time mama asking what the best rides are with a baby in tow?

    5 - $100,000: What should we do with an inheritance if we have a serious medical condition but also have investing goals?

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    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

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    During this episode we enjoyed a Wonder Struck by Singlespeed Brewing – thanks Clint for sending this one along to us! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    30 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 36 minutes 37 seconds
    Friday Flight - Long Airport Lines, Rent In Installments, & Plasma Payday! #1119

    Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:

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    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

    Ā 

    And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    27 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 53 minutes 15 seconds
    Why Money Decisions Feel Rigged w/ John Campbell #1118

    This show exists to help you make smart decisions with your money. But if we’re being honest, How To Money might not be as necessary if the financial system weren’t so confusing in the first place. For a lot of people, navigating modern money realities feels like swimming in shark-infested waters with high stakes, unclear rules, and the potential for costly mistakes at every turn. Our guest today is Professor John Campbell, author of the book Fixed: Why Personal Finance is Broken and How to Make It Work for Everyone. John is an economics professor at Harvard, who believes the financial system has a responsibility to serve ordinary people with products they can understand, afford, and safely use. Today, we’re talking about what’s broken in personal finance and what real solutions could look like. We specifically discuss:

    • Disparities in financial products
    • Complexity in personal finance
    • Problematic financial products
    • Human behavior when it comes to money decisions
    • Dangers of loyalty
    • Limitations of individual responsibility
    • What a rebuilt financial system could look like
    • Balancing protection and freedom
    • … and additional topics!

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    And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    25 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 52 minutes 24 seconds
    Ask HTM - Mag-7-Nondiversification-Risk, Cutting Up 13 Credit Cards, & Best Tax Refund Opportunities #1117

    We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!

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    1 - International investing: Should I look outside of the US if I’m concerned about ā€œMag-7-nondiversificationā€ in the S&P?

    2 - Grunt work: Is it frugal or cheap to work for beer at my local craft brewery? PLUS a healthcare question…

    3 - 13 credit cards: As we eliminate our credit card debt should I close my cards or keep them around?

    4 - Cell service: Where to go for the most affordable home internet and cell service?

    5 - Tax refund: What’s the best use of a $2,000 refund that I’m expecting to receive?

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    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

    Ā 

    During this episode we enjoyed a Fire, Skulls, and Money by Toppling Goliath – thanks Clint for sending this one along to us! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    23 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 43 minutes 11 seconds
    BONUS: Stop Doing So Much w/ Justin Peters of FI Minded Podcast

    Thanks to Justin for having Joel on his show, FI Minded!

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    The FI community is incredibly good at effort, optimization, and doing hard things for a long time. But somewhere along the way, many of us forget how to stop. Even after gaining more control over our time, we fill it back up with projects, commitments, and expectations, leaving us busy, tired, and quietly stretched thin.

    Joel Larsgaard shares what it looked like to recognize that ā€œdoing it allā€ was no longer sustainable, even when the work was meaningful. After front-loading years of effort through saving, investing, and building How to Money, Joel began intentionally pulling back: working fewer hours, prioritizing family and health, and even taking a six-week sabbatical. This conversation explores why doing less isn’t laziness, but a necessary evolution after years of striving.

    You’ll hear how financial independence can be used as a tool for time, not just wealth, along with practical ways to say no, resist constant expansion, and create space without losing ambition. If you’ve reached a point where more effort isn’t improving your life the way it used to, this episode offers a healthier path forward - one built on balance, presence, and intentional choices.

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    21 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 38 minutes 4 seconds
    Friday Flight - Warflation, Attractive ARMs, & Drone Home Assessments #1116

    Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:

    Ā 

    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

    Ā 

    And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    Best friends out!

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    20 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 51 minutes 21 seconds
    Knowing Your Rights & Crushing Medical Bills w/ Jared Walker #1115

    Every year, patients are billed and stuck with $14 billion in medical debt that should be wiped out under existing hospital financial assistance rules. This debt isn’t inevitable, it’s unnecessary! Given the fact that medical debt is the number one cause of bankruptcy and a huge source of stress for families, is it a step too far to say that there is a medical debt crisis in America? We don’t think so and our guest today is doing something about it. Jared Walker is the founder of DollarFor, an organization helping people crush hospital bills they don’t legally owe. Since 2012, DollarFor has helped eliminate more than $125 million in medical debt nationwide. Some of the topics covered today:

    • The unnecessary strain of medical bills that many are not obligated to pay
    • Simply letting others know about ā€œcharity careā€ could drastically help their situation
    • Taking your time to negotiate bc medical bills don’t impact your credit score for a year
    • Hospitals often do not inform patients about available financial assistance programs
    • Medical debt impacting personal possibilities and economic progress
    • Avoiding products like Care Credit which sound nice but are just credit cards in disguise
    • And much more!

    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Dollar For: You must check out the resources and tools at DollarFor.org if you are staring down a medical bill because there’s a good chance you can get it waived! Health Care Bluebook was also mentioned but be sure and look into Jared’s organization.
    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!

    Ā 

    And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    Best friends out!

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    18 March 2026, 8:00 am
  • 57 minutes 13 seconds
    Ask HTM – Deploying Cash to Recast or Invest, Free $ in Trump Accounts, & David Ramsey Falling Short #1114

    We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!

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    1 - Mortgage recast: Should we take a windfall and recast our mortgage or use the lump sum to invest?

    2 - Trump accounts: Where should 530a accounts land among the Money Gears… high or low priority?

    3 - Thin credit: What should I do since I was denied a credit card due to a thin file?

    4 - Used cars: Is buying a car from a private seller the best option and where’s the best place to look?

    5 - Debt relief: So it turns out the company I signed up with for debt relief might be a scam, what should I do?!

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    Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:

    • Credit card perks: Check out our favorite credit cards that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
    • Other money nerds: Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the HTM Facebook group!
    • Newsletter: Sign up for the weekly HTM newsletter. It’s fun, free, & practical.
    • Money Gears: knowing what to do with your money is crucial to your personal finance journey.
    • MG7: and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to HowToMoney.com/Advisor and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.

    Ā 

    During this episode we enjoyed a Wavelength by Equilibrium Brewery! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!

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    Best friends out!

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    16 March 2026, 8:00 am
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