Before The Queer Family Podcast had its name, it began as If These Ovaries Could Talk—a show Jaimie launched with original co-host Robin Hopkins.

In this very first episode, Robin interviews Jaimie and her wife Anne as they share the real-time story of building their family as a lesbian couple: unexpected infertility, choosing a sperm donor, navigating IUI and IVF, and the emotional and financial reality of trying to have a second child.

At the time, they couldn’t find many podcasts that talked honestly about queer fertility and LGBTQ+ family building—so they made the show they needed.

This is an archival re-release of the episode that started it all, capturing the very beginning: pregnant, overwhelmed, hopeful, and figuring it out as they went.

Archival note: Originally released as Episode 1 of If These Ovaries Could Talk (Pre-TQFP). Audio quality and language reflect the time it was recorded.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Queer infertility is real—and often invisible.
• Even without a medical diagnosis, lesbian couples can face long, emotionally taxing fertility journeys.
• Fertility treatment isn’t linear.
• IUI, IVF, switching doctors, and starting over are often part of the process—not signs of failure.
• The donor search can become overwhelming.
• What starts as practical decision-making can quickly turn emotional, ethical, and financially complex.
• This conversation didn’t exist yet—so we created it.
• The podcast began because queer families weren’t hearing their stories reflected anywhere else.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Robin Hopkins — original co-host of If These Ovaries Could Talk and interviewer for this episode.
• Jaimie and Anne are a married couple living in New York City. They’ve been together for 17 years and married for 13, and are raising their two children (plus their dog). During their own journey through infertility, fertility treatment, and donor conception, Jaimie realized she couldn’t find honest, relatable conversations about queer family building—so she decided to create the show she wished had existed.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

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Jaimie talks with Naia, founder of Be Parent Surrogacy, about international surrogacy options, what intended parents can expect when working with an agency, and how Be Parent supports LGBTQIA+ families with transparency, ethics, and hands-on care. Naia also shares her own IVF story and her real-time sperm donor search—including why she’s choosing to freeze embryos as a future “insurance policy.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• The “quiet times” in family-building are real—and consistent support from an agency can make the waiting feel less lonely.
• LGBTQIA+ families often enter the process with excitement because we know we’ll need help from the start, even if the waiting still hits hard.
• The donor search can make anyone go full spreadsheet-brain (“the search for the superhuman” is REAL).
• Be Parent works internationally and aims to reduce long wait times by helping intended parents start when they’re ready.
• They offer local support through “Be Body” ambassadors in the U.S. to guide legal/logistical steps while the journey happens abroad.
• Surrogacy should be treated holistically—including education, doula support, insurance planning, and post-birth check-ins.
• Egg donor and surrogate communication is customizable—from anonymous to open-ID and various levels of contact, based on preferences.
• International surrogacy can be significantly more affordable (Naia cites Mexico programs starting around $60K, varying by program type).
• Doulas aren’t just for pregnant people—they can be invaluable for two-dad families navigating newborn care in a new country.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Naia has spent nearly eight years in the surrogacy field and founded Be Parent Surrogacy, an international agency supporting intended parents across family types—same-sex couples, single parents, and heterosexual couples. She is also an IVF patient herself, which informs how she approaches the emotional and logistical realities of fertility treatment and family-building support.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

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Anish & Miguel are two dads in Berlin who recently welcomed their son, Alexander, through agency-based surrogacy. And listen — some of us (cough… Jaimie… cough) approached queer family building with good vibes and very few spreadsheets. But THESE TWO? Absolute meticulous gay dad excellence. From cross-country agency visits, to karyotype testing, to annual goal-setting (“become parents” was literally on the list!), Anish and Miguel walk us through the entire surrogacy process with clarity, honesty, and so much heart. This episode is truly a surrogacy masterclass — a must-listen for anyone exploring this path.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Surrogacy through an agency is all about trust — more than glossy brochures or fancy clinics.
• Anish & Miguel treated the process like a project: research, goal-setting, and risk assessment at every step.
• They visited multiple countries and agencies before landing on Be Parent Surrogacy in Cyprus.
• Genetic testing (karyotype screening) helped them make informed choices about their egg donor and embryos.
• Their egg donor was selected to reflect both of them, and fresh-egg IVF increased their chances of success.
• Long stretches of waiting in silence between milestones were some of the hardest emotional parts.
• Neither dad felt an instant, magical bond at birth — and they talk honestly about how connection can grow over time.
• German law still requires second-parent adoption for the non-legal parent, even after surrogacy abroad.
• Despite the legal hoops, they received full parental leave and government benefits — a big win for equality.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Anish & Miguel are new dads living in Berlin with their four-month-old son, Alexander. After years of thoughtful planning, cross-country research, and honest conversations about what family means to them, they pursued agency-based surrogacy through Be Parent. Their story is full of intention, vulnerability, and practical guidance for queer families exploring the surrogacy path.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

🏳️‍🌈 Book with GWK's Spring Break Cruise Vacation! Join Jaimie and her family (and other LGBTQIA+ families) on a 3 night cruise in the Bahamas. Be sure to mention that you heard about it here! Click that link ➡️ https://travelbrilliant.net/mbg/gwk-spring-break-2026

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Sam & Laura Abbey are BACK, y’all. The last time they were on the show it was still called If These Ovaries Could Talk, they only had one kid, and their Bravo reality show moment had just helped catapult them into queer family-building visibility.

Seven years and two very boy-ish boys later, we’re catching up on IVF paid out of pocket (twice), using the same sperm donor for both kids, what happens when you over- or under-buy sperm, and yes—having to literally sign paperwork to “dispose” of a leftover vial while a straight guy wrestles with the “morality” of it.

We get into raising sensitive, muddy, train-obsessed boys in a queer household that doesn’t subscribe to gender norms, ongoing origin-story conversations with their donor-conceived kids, giving boys permission to cry, and helping them navigate comments about pride flags and two-mom families. Plus, Laura shares her new project, Unseen, a queer millennial life podcast from Pink Robin Shop about art, culture, motherhood, and growing up queer with basically zero representation.

If you’re navigating donor conception, raising boys in a queer family, or figuring out how to talk to your kids about their origin stories without making it a big talk, this one’s for you.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• The “talk” is never one talk.
• Donor-conception conversations evolve with age — kids should always know their story.
• Buy more sperm than you think you’ll need.
• Limited vials + failed IUIs/IVF = strategic (and emotional) math.
• Kids come out who they are.
• Two queer moms, zero gender norms… and still: trains, mud, dinosaurs, chaos.
• Boys deserve big feelings.
• Crying, naming emotions, and sensitivity are celebrated — not shut down.
• Two-mom families require extra “coming out.”
• Pride flags and visibility can put kids in situations they didn’t choose; support matters.
• Community changes everything.
• Growing up with other two-mom families normalizes their world and builds resilience.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Sam & Laura Abbey are a married lesbian couple and moms to two energetic. They first stepped into the spotlight on a Bravo reality show back in 2013–2014, where their wedding and early fertility journey were documented at a time when just being a same-sex couple was considered “enough of a storyline. They’ve been openly sharing the ups, downs, and hilarious chaos of boy-mom, two-mom life ever since over on Instagram at @theabbeyfam.
• Laura is also a writer and educator who now teaches college writing and co-hosts Unseen: Queer Millennial Life Unfiltered, a podcast from Pink Robin Shop that explores art, culture, parenthood, and growing up queer in a world that didn’t exactly roll out the rainbow carpet.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

🏳️‍🌈 Book with GWK's Spring Break Cruise Vacation! Join Jaimie and her family (and other LGBTQIA+ families) on a 3 night cruise in the Bahamas. Be sure to mention that you heard about it here! Click that link ➡️ https://travelbrilliant.net/mbg/gwk-spring-break-2026/

🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

Follow Sam & Laura on Instagram: [@theabbeyfam]

Listen to Unseen: Queer Millennial Life Unfiltered

• Website: Pink Robin Shop – Unseen podcast
• Available wherever you get your podcasts

Jaimie’s book: If These Ovaries Could Talk: The Things We’ve Learned About Making an LGBTQ Family (yes, the Abbeys are in it!)

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Midwife, parent, nurse, educator, and proud Palestinian Ash joins Jaimie for a powerful, expansive conversation that connects queer birth work, liberation, bodily autonomy, and the politics of modern healthcare. From becoming a parent before coming into their trans identity, to the crisis inside U.S. obstetrics, to creating community-centered birth education for queer & trans families, Ash brings depth, clarity, and truth. The episode also touches on Ash’s ties to Palestine, why so many people are re-examining the narrative they were taught, and how to learn, help, and show up with intention.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Birth is not inherently dangerous — but our systems are flawed.
• Rising U.S. gestational mortality rates are tied to financial incentives, outdated policies, and cultural fear.
• Where you feel safest is where you birth best.
• Stress pathways interrupt labor; safety & comfort matter more than location.
• Queer & trans people need trauma-informed preparation.
• Education + community before labor creates resilience when navigating misgendering or assumptions in hospitals.
• Intentional parenting is a queer superpower.
• Living outside the norms forces us to question, rebuild, and parent with intention.
• Liberation is interconnected.
• Ash links birth work to Palestinian liberation, colonial separation, and reclaiming humanity.
• Learning about Palestine doesn’t have to be overwhelming.
• Start with Palestinian voices. Complexity is often used to keep people disengaged.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Ash (they/them) is a Trans Palestinian educator, speaker & midwife whose work centers birth justice and community care. They teach accessible, queer- and trans-inclusive childbirth classes through Embodied Birth Class and speak widely about physiologic birth, medical racism, and creating safer, more liberated birth experiences for all families.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

🏳️‍🌈 Book with GWK's Spring Break Cruise Vacation! Join Jaimie and her family (and other LGBTQIA+ families) on a 3 night cruise in the Bahamas. Be sure to mention that you heard about it here! Click that link ➡️ https://travelbrilliant.net/mbg/gwk-spring-break-2026/

🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Ash’s Website: www.embodiedbirthclass.com • Join their mailing list for upcoming classes and events.
• Ash’s Instagram • @embodied.birth • @queertabletops
• The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine — Rashid Khalidi
• Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History — Nur Masalha
• Works by historian Ilan Pappé

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Jaimie chats with Yanica & Leah, the interracial two-mom family behind @thefaustinfam, about building a queer family with intention. They discuss their donor conception journey, navigating race and colorism, raising multiracial donor-conceived kids, second-parent adoption, coming out stories, and parenting free spirited little humans in the South.

If you love stories about LGBTQ family building, intentional parenting, mixed-race families, and queer joy — this episode is everything.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Queer parents—especially interracial two-mom families—have to parent with deep intention.
• Yanica & Leah went from “straight best friends” to realizing they couldn’t live without each other.
• Coming out required navigating religion, culture, and family expectations, but they stayed united.
• Choosing a sperm donor as an interracial couple meant balancing race, ancestry, identity, and openness.
• They selected a willing-to-be-known donor to give their kids future choice and connection.
• Both moms carried, and they used the same donor so all three kids share a biological link.
• Colorism shows up in real time for their kids, and they openly discuss race and privilege at home.
• Legal protection matters: they completed second-parent adoption and carry documents everywhere.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Yanica and Leah Faustin are the interracial two-mom power couple and creators behind @thefaustinfam, a warm, funny, and deeply honest look at queer family life. Based in Durham, North Carolina, they’re raising three donor-conceived kids while sharing their day-to-day joys, challenges, and intentional parenting choices with a rapidly growing online community. Together, Yanica (a professor) and Leah (a physical therapist) use humor, vulnerability, and radical transparency to normalize queer families and celebrate the diversity of what modern family building looks like. Their mission is simple: show up as their full selves so their kids—and all of ours—see their families reflected in the world.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsors!

• California Cryobank If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

•Be Parent Surrogacy Be Parent oversees the creation of family through surrogacy and IVF, from the very beginning, extending support even well after birth. Mention The Queer Family Podcast to receive $2000 of your treatment!

🏳️‍🌈 Book with GWK's Spring Break Cruise Vacation! Join Jaimie and her family (and other LGBTQIA+ families) on a 3 night cruise in the Bahamas. Be sure to mention that you heard about it here! Click that link ➡️ https://travelbrilliant.net/mbg/gwk-spring-break-2026/

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Author and educator Kirsty Loehr joins Jaimie to share her beautifully messy story of queer family building — from reciprocal IVF with her ex-wife to co-parenting their 4-year-old son and now navigating life in a blended family with her new partner and her partner’s two kids.

Kirsty talks candidly about the breakup that came just months after welcoming her son, the challenges of 50/50 custody, and learning to blend families while balancing love, chaos, and new beginnings. She also shares the inspiration behind her new book, A Short History of Queer Parenting, a funny, accessible, and essential look at how queer families have always existed — even when history tried to erase us.

It’s honest, hopeful, and very, very lesbian.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Reciprocal IVF and Family Dynamics: Kirsty shares her experiences with reciprocal IVF, offering insights into queer parenting and the unique challenges and triumphs they bring.
• Single and Blended Parenting: Insights into the evolution from single to blended parenting, discussing both the struggles and profound bonds formed.
• Legal Aspects of Queer Parenting: Legal navigation within queer parenting, particularly regarding reciprocal IVF and parental rights.
• The Evolution of Queer Parenting: Kirsty's new book highlights the historical journey of LGBTQ+ parenting, from legality issues to personal anecdotes, providing a comprehensive view of queer family growth.
• Strength in Community: The importance of shared experiences and community support in navigating the complexities of queer family life.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Kirsty Loehr (she/her) is a writer, English teacher, and examiner based in Brighton, England. She’s the author of A Short History of Queer Parenting and A Short History of Queer Women. Her work celebrates queer lineage, visibility, and the many ways LGBTQIA+ people create and nurture families.

🏳️‍🌈 Thanks to our sponsor California Cryobank!

If you’re listening to this show, there’s a good chance you’re building your family the queer way — and might need a little help in the sperm department. 🩵 Use code QUEERFAM25 at cryobank.com for a FREE Level 2 subscription to their donor catalog!

🏳️‍🌈 Book with GWK's Spring Break Cruise Vacation! Join Jaimie and her family (and other LGBTQIA+ families) on a 3 night cruise in the Bahamas. Be sure to mention that you heard about it here! Click that link ➡️ https://travelbrilliant.net/mbg/gwk-spring-break-2026/

🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Find Kirsty’s books
• Follow Kirsty on Instagram
• California Cryobank – Use code QUEERFAM25.

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Alon Rivel joins Jaimie for a brutally honest, funny, and heartfelt conversation about what it really takes—emotionally, financially, and spiritually—to build a queer family through surrogacy. From his surrogate’s iconic one-liners (“I’m not keeping it”) to his reflection that queer parents are architects of love, Alon reminds us what intentional parenthood looks like.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• The intentionality of queer family building—“We don’t choose to be gay, but we choose to have families.”
• Growing up gay in a Jewish-Israeli household in New York, finding safety through love and community.
• The surrogacy process from start to finish, including choosing an egg donor, working with Circle Surrogacy, and navigating the language (and insurance nightmares) that still exclude LGBTQ+ parents.
• Building lifelong relationships with both their surrogate and egg donor—relationships that have become extended family.
• Raising their son with full transparency about his origin story, teaching body honesty, and dismantling shame from day one.
• The cost, the fight for recognition (“Say mom again!”), and the joy of finally holding their son.

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Alon Rivel (he/him) is a gay dad and husband. Alon and his husband built their family through surrogacy after a decade-long relationship, a pandemic pivot, and a $220K price tag—and they’re raising their son surrounded by love, transparency, and the chosen family who helped bring him into the world.

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🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Feast & Fettle – Meal delivery for families, by families.
• The Ali Forney Center – Supporting LGBTQ+ youth.
• Circle Surrogacy – Alon’s surrogacy agency.
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Meet Mark and Eoin, two Irish dads proving that queer family building is both an act of love and of advocacy. Their path to fatherhood took them from Ireland to New York and Texas—navigating surrogacy independently, honoring their daughters’ Nigerian-Irish heritage, and pushing the Irish government to finally recognize families like theirs.

Together, they’ve turned loss, learning, and legislation into love and legacy. From discovering their donor’s culture to challenging outdated Irish surrogacy laws, Mark and Eoin remind us that sometimes the most radical thing LGBTQIA+ parents can do is parent out loud—and make the system catch up.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• Building a family through independent surrogacy during the pandemic
• The loss of a twin and honoring his memory
• Advocating for inclusive parental-leave and insurance coverage at work
• Fighting Ireland’s restrictive surrogacy laws and founding Irish Gay Dads
• Raising biracial daughters as white Irish dads in Harlem
• Teaching representation, identity, and cultural pride from day one
• Why advocacy often begins with telling your own story

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• Mark and Eoin O’Looney Cannon: Together, they co-run the social media page Two Men in a Surrogacy, where they share their family’s journey and advocate for inclusive, ethical surrogacy practices. Eoin serves as the Vice Chairperson of Irish Gay Dads, a group dedicated to supporting LGBTQIA+ parents and pushing for legislative reform.

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🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Follow Mark and Eoin: https://www.instagram.com/twomenandasurrogacy/

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What happens when you grow up in an evangelical cult, spend years closeted, marry to appease your family, and still find your way to queerness, healing, and chosen family? Therapist and author SC Nealy (they/she) joins Jaimie to share their powerful story of resilience and reinvention.

From a childhood in religious isolation to co-parenting two daughters one block away from their queerplatonic co-parent, SC shows us that family can be redefined—and joyfully so. They talk about surviving their eldest child’s terrifying medical crisis during COVID, leaving behind a judgmental family, building an affirming community, and supporting others through religious trauma and queer family formation.

Plus, returning guest Tiq Milan drops by first to talk about building our own spaces when the systems fail us—introducing his new work as a Gender Doula, guiding trans folks and their families through social and emotional transitions.

This one’s all heart, healing, and hard truth.

🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• SC’s journey from evangelical cult to chosen queer family
• Creating kids intentionally through “baby-dancing” (the old-fashioned way!)
• Navigating medical trauma—their baby’s nine surgeries and life-saving resilience
• Co-parenting queerly: living a block apart, sharing everything, breaking the mold
• Coming out, losing family, and building chosen family that heals
• Falling in love again while their partner transitions—and what kids actually notice
• The beauty and power of group therapy in healing communal trauma
• Introducing SC’s upcoming book Healing Sacred Wounds (Bloomsbury, Spring 2026)
• Tiq Milan on gender doulas, toxic masculinity, and creating safe spaces when systems collapse

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

• SC Nealy, LMFT (they/she): Therapist, author, and founder of LGBT+ Counseling Collaborative (DC/MD/VA). Specializes in religious trauma, queer family systems, and group therapy.
• Tiq Milan (he/him): Writer, educator, activist, and now Gender Doula helping families through transitions.
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🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Find SC:
• Instagram: @scnealy and @lgbtcounselingdmv 
• Websites: www.lgbtcounselingdmv.com www.booksbysarahrobinson.com
• Find Tiq:
• Website: https://www.tiqmilan.com/
• Instagram: @themrmilan

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In this mind-expanding conversation, Jaimie sits down with Maya Gonzalez — genderqueer artist, author, publisher, educator, parent, and creator of The Gender Wheel — an innovative, nature-based framework that reimagines how we understand gender, identity, and self.

Maya takes us through their lifelong work of blending art, research, and spirit to help kids (and grownups!) move beyond the binary and return to connection — with themselves, with each other, and with nature. They talk about using children’s books, coloring pages, and even escape-room–style workshops to teach inclusivity and embodiment in playful, accessible ways.

The two also dive deep into Maya’s queer family-building journey, from early-2000s home inseminations and complicated co-parenting dynamics to creating a second, deeply grounded family years later. Through it all, Maya’s story is a testament to healing, love, and radical compassion — even for those who’ve caused harm.

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🏳️‍🌈 Key Takeaways

• The Gender Wheel helps us understand gender as part of a natural, interconnected system — beyond binaries and labels.
• Kids intuitively get nonbinary and fluid concepts when we approach them through play and nature.
• Trauma and patriarchy have distorted how we see gender; reconnecting to embodiment and nature helps us heal.
• Queer, trans, and intersex people have always existed — and have always been sacred keepers of connection and continuum.
• Maya’s family story shows both the beauty and complexity of queer parenting before legal protections existed.
• Compassion is essential — even when it’s hard. As Maya says, “People are good at heart; they’ve just been damaged by the system.”

🏳️‍🌈 About the Guest(s)🏳️‍🌈

Maya Gonzalez (they/she) is a genderqueer Chicanx artist, author, and educator based in San Francisco. They’re the creator of The Gender Wheel, a nature-based framework for understanding gender diversity and inclusion. Through their independent publishing house Reflection Press, Maya has authored and illustrated dozens of children’s books — including They, She, He, Me: Free to Be, They, She, He, Easy as ABC, The Gender Wheel, and The Gender and Infinity Book.

Maya also runs online and in-person workshops and a Patreon-based school focused on expanding gender education through creativity, embodiment, and play.

🩷 Jaimie’s Life Update

Life is life-ing hard for the Kelwoods! Anne is nearing the end of radiation (almost done 🎉), Jaimie just had uterine surgery to remove endometriosis after 10 years of misdiagnosis, and their 11-year-old recently fractured her ankle. But through it all, they’re finding gratitude, humor, and resilience.

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🏳️‍🌈 Resources Mentioned

• Maya’s Websites:
• www.genderwheel.com
• https://reflectionpress.com/
• http://www.mayagonzalez.com/
• Maya’s Patreon
• Find Maya on Instagram:
• @mzmayagonzalez
• @genderwheel 
• @reflectionpressbooks  

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