In this inspiring episode of LaunchLeft, host Rain Phoenix chats with Lorraine Petel, Geoff Ryan, Jennifer Tefft, and Rich Tupica, aka the team behind LaunchLeft! Take a dive deep into the creative process, independent music, film, and the challenges facing artists today. From Geoff Ryan’s journey in narrative filmmaking and experimental shorts to Lorraine Petel’s rise in radio and underground music curation, the conversation covers the intersections of creativity, community, and the evolving digital landscape. Jennifer Tefft shares her insights on live music venues and fostering community engagement, while Rich Tupica reflects on finding audiences and promoting indie artists in a saturated music world. The episode also explores artist sustainability in the age of streaming, social media’s influence on creative discovery, and the importance of physical venues for cultivating artistic communities. Whether you’re an independent musician, filmmaker, or visual artist, this episode offers valuable perspectives on building a career in the arts, navigating industry challenges, and celebrating radical creativity.

What You’ll Learn This Episode: 

✅Meet the creatives who make LaunchLeft happen.

✅How to sustain and promote creative projects in today’s digital and streaming-focused environment.

✅The role of live venues and community spaces in developing artistic careers and fostering audience connections.

✅Strategies for independent artists to navigate the challenges of modern media, from social media algorithms to audience engagement.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

00:00 Introduction to LaunchLeft and supporting underground music, independent artists, and creative communities

06:42 Geoff’s experience in filmmaking, experimental shorts, and indie film production, including challenges in the industry and returning to music video projects

11:05 Lorraine Petel shares how she fell into radio, her career at NTS London, underground music curation, and artist promotion

16:30 Jennifer Tefft on the importance of live music venues, audience engagement, and community-building, comparing in-person experiences to social media discovery for artists

20:31 Geoff Ryan’s experiences filming under challenging conditions, music video production, and creative collaboration

24:52 Lorraine Petel discusses the growth of her show at NTS and supporting underrepresented musicians, promoting indie artists, and curating unique music

28:26 Artist income, streaming challenges, indie music promotion, and sustaining creative careers in a digital-first world

35:00 Rich Tupica on connecting with fans, online communities, promoting music, and supporting artistic growth, highlighting strategies for success in the modern music and art landscape

44:00 Local music venues & community spaces showcase the importance of live performance spaces, artist development, indie music venues, and community engagement

52:00 The team reflects on the year, expresses gratitude to the LaunchLeft community, creative collaborators, and indie artists, and encourages listeners to support music, art, and independent filmmaking

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

💎Independent artists face challenges in income, audience reach, and digital saturation, but community support and live venues can bridge the gap

💎Experimental projects and creative exploration are essential for artistic growth, even outside of mainstream success

💎Platforms like NTS London, Bandcamp, and LaunchLeft empower underground and independent artists, providing visibility and connection with audiences

💎Building a local and online community is critical for sustaining artistic careers, from small venues to curated online spaces

💎Supporting artists directly through merch, ticketed events, and Bandcamp can have a tangible impact on their ability to create

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

In this episode, Rain Phoenix chats with Ben Gibbard of Death Cab For Cutie to explore his journey in indie music, songwriting, and touring. From the early days of Death Cab For Cutie, to forming The Postal Service, to navigating the music industry, Ben shares insights on creativity, collaboration, and the evolution of alternative rock.  Later, Ben launches Casey Dienel, and they dive into her approach to music, artistry, and the challenges new artists face in today’s industry. Casey also shares details about her upcoming album "My Heart as an Outlaw" and her return to live performance after a decade. This episode is packed with indie music insights, songwriting tips, and behind-the-scenes stories from touring life. Don’t miss this candid conversation that celebrates music, creativity, and emerging talent.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

✅ How Ben Gibbard came to music Death Cab For Cutie & the Postal Service 

✅ Behind-the-scenes of touring, recording, and navigating the music industry

✅ Casey Dienel’s unique approach to songwriting and creativity

✅ Strategies for new artists breaking into alternative rock and indie music

Subscribe to LaunchLeft for more indie music stories. Follow us on socials for updates and bonus content.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

00:00 Intro: Ben Gibbard joins LaunchLeft Podcast

05:38 Ben reflects on music industry changes

11:32 Ben's songwriting process and inspiration

16:41 Ben's favorite aspect of making music

21:31 Ben's passion for ultramarathon running

26:27 Ben launches Casey Dienel

32:32 Discussing studio recording experiences and preparation

39:12 How Ben and Casey first met

44:15 Casey talks about her new album "My Heart as an Outlaw"

47:58 Song: "17" by Casey Dienel

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

💎Ben Gibbard's career spans 27 years, marked by unexpected success and a gradual acceptance of music as a viable career path

💎The music industry has shifted dramatically, with artists facing new economic challenges due to the loss of album sales as a primary revenue stream

💎Ben's songwriting process is deeply personal, focusing on prolific writing rather than trying to predict which songs will resonate with audiences

💎Community and long-term relationships play a crucial role in Ben's life and artistic accountability

💎Casey Dienel's new album "My Heart as an Outlaw" marks her return to music after an eight-year hiatus, showcasing her evolution as an artist

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast

BEN GIBBARD LINKS:

https://www.deathcabforcutie.com/

https://benjamingibbard.com/

https://www.instagram.com/deathcabforcutie/

https://www.instagram.com/gibbstack/

https://www.facebook.com/deathcabforcutie

https://www.facebook.com/bengibbard

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtn115fCfFKIxG7_Quv9ZA

CASEY DIENEL LINKS:

https://www.whoiscaseydienel.com/

https://www.instagram.com/casey_dienel/

https://www.tiktok.com/@casey.dienel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp_WKK5gnDQH53qkRxBDeOw

https://www.facebook.com/CaseyDienelOfficial

BIOGRAPHIES: 

Benjamin Gibbard is a multi-platinum, Grammy-nominated singer, songwriter and guitarist. He is the lead vocalist, guitarist, and primary songwriter of Death Cab for Cutie, formed in 1997. The band has since recorded ten studio albums, including, most recently, the critically acclaimed Asphalt Meadows (2022). Gibbard is also one half of the electronic duo The Postal Service, whose sole album, Give Up (2003), is certified platinum and the second best-selling title in the 37 year history of Sub Pop Records. 

Gibbard released his debut solo album Former Lives in 2012. In 2009, in collaboration with Jay Farrar (Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt), he released the album One Fast Move or I'm Gone (2009), which also served as the soundtrack to the eponymous Jack Kerouac documentary. He has scored two films: Lynn Shelton’s Laggies (2014) and, along with musician and producer Steve Fisk, the Kurt Cobain documentary About a Son (2006). Additionally, he wrote and recorded two original songs featured in the 2011 remake of the classic film Arthur. Gibbard is an avid ultra-marathon runner and a longtime resident of Seattle, WA.

Casey Dienel is an American singer-songwriter and musician. Dienel, who has also performed and recorded as White Hinterland, plays piano, keyboards and ukulele.

My Heart Is An Outlaw is Casey Dienel’s seventh album and first studio release. It arrives after eight years away, the result of a renewed trust in collaboration as a radical act of surrender. The album’s 11 tracks—each a film and a melodic treasure trove—offer a reckoning with freedom, identity, and the conflicting desire for both solitude and intimacy. Recorded at Altamira Sound in Los Angeles, Figure 8 Recording in New York, and Chamber of Commerce in Vermont, the record zooms from micro to macro, intimate breath to mic drop.

In this episode of LaunchLeft, host Rain Phoenix welcomes Fred Schneider of The B-52’s as he launches Dagger Polyester.

Fred takes us back to the Athens, Georgia music scene where The B-52’s began, sharing stories of DIY shows, thrifting, and how their left-of-center style changed pop culture. He also dives into side projects including Halloween anthems, poetry reissues, and unexpected collaborations.

Later, Dagger Polyester joins the conversation to talk about punk influences, resisting background-noise music, and how individuality fuels their artistry. Together, they explore creativity, collaboration, and the future of music in an AI-driven world.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:
✅ How The B-52’s began in Athens, Georgia and built their unique sound

✅ Why thrifting, vintage fashion, and DIY culture shaped The B-52’s identity

✅ Fred Schneider’s side projects and creative collaborations outside of the B-52’s

✅ Dagger Polyester’s insights on punk, pop culture, and music that resists algorithms

🎧 Listen to the full LaunchLeft podcast here: LaunchLeft Podcast 👉 Subscribe for more conversations with independent artists and cultural icons.

TIMESTAMPS:  

• 00:00 Introduction from Rain Phoenix
• 04:15 Fred Schneider shares early memories of Athens, Georgia
• 08:32 The B-52’s first gigs and their DIY approach to music and style
• 12:40 Thrifting, vintage fashion, and creating an outsider aesthetic
• 17:55 Tour memories: runaway buses, donuts, and chaos on the road
• 23:52 Discussing 80s music and artistic influences
• 28:46 Keeping the band together: equal splits and shared decisions
• 34:05 Dagger Polyester is launched
• 38:27 Punk influences, Athens’ creative scene, and resisting algorithm-driven music
• 44:50 The future of music, AI, and why individuality still matters
• 49:20 Closing thoughts, resources, and where to find Fred and Dagger’s work

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Embracing individuality creates timeless music that stands apart.
• Sharing credit and resources can strengthen a band’s longevity.
• Creativity thrives when artists explore side projects and collaborations.
• Punk and outsider art continue to challenge the mainstream and inspire new generations.

ABOUT THE GUEST: 

Fred Schneider is an American singer, songwriter, and musician, best known as the frontman of the new wave band The B-52s. With his distinctive vocal style and quirky lyrics, Schneider has been a pivotal figure in the alternative music scene since the late 1970s. The B-52s, known for hits like "Love Shack" and "Rock Lobster," have left an indelible mark on pop culture and continue to influence musicians today.

Dagger Polyester is an emerging musician known for blending elements of punk, new wave, and experimental rock. With a growing following in the underground music scene, Dagger's unique sound and approach to songwriting are garnering attention from both fans and industry veterans alike.

RESOURCES:

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

LaunchLeft on Apple Podcasts

LaunchLeft on YouTube

GUEST RESOURCES: 

Fred Schneider

https://www.theb52s.com

https://www.instagram.com/funfred1/

https://www.instagram.com/theb52sband/

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialFredSchneider/

https://www.facebook.com/theb52s/

Dagger Polyester

https://daggerpolyester.com/

https://www.instagram.com/daggerpolyester/

https://www.youtube.com/channel

SEO Keywords: Fred Schneider, B-52s, Dagger Polyester, punk rock, Athens music scene, 1980s music, thrift store fashion, rock and roll hall of fame, indie music, new wave, alternative rock, music industry, touring experiences, record collecting, AI in music, Ramones, girl groups, Phil Spector, Ronnie Spector, vinyl records, music collaboration, songwriting, music influences, pop culture, music history, LGBTQ+ representation in music

In this episode of LaunchLeft, Rain Phoenix hosts a profound and intimate conversation that explores the transformative potential of art and the enduring bonds between artists with long time friends and musicians Paul Cantelon and Lili Haydn. 

Paul and Lili open up about the deeply personal origins of their heartfelt album "Lullabies for the Brokenhearted", created in the wake of Paul's wife Angela McCluskey's passing. They share deeply personal stories about their musical journeys and the inspirations behind the album and discuss the importance of vulnerability in their creative process and how the project has been healing for them both.

Then, they launch Itai Disraeli who discusses his groundbreaking solo bass project “He is Free Now” and the spiritual nature of his music. Tune in for a preview of tracks from both "Lullabies for the Brokenhearted" and an excerpt of Itai's ”Continuation Day”, offering listeners a glimpse into these profound musical journeys.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:00) Intro: Meet Paul Cantelon and Lili Haydn
• (05:54) The genesis of "Lullabies for the Brokenhearted," dedicated to Paul's late wife Angela McCluskey and Lili's mother Lotus
• (10:39) Paul and Lili's experiences with loss and the transformative power of music and community
• (22:31) Paul shares his childhood encounter with music in Zurich
• (27:40) Lili's musical upbringing and her mother, Lotus's influence
• (35:32) Itai Disraeli is launched
• (38:05) Itai discusses his musical philosophy and upcoming record “He is Free Now”
• (44:12) The Entwined from "Lullabies for the Brokenhearted" 
• (49:26) Continuation Day from “He is Free Now”

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Music of all genres serves as a powerful tool for healing and processing grief. The creation of "Lullabies for the Brokenhearted" was not just about grieving, but about expanding consciousness and creating connection between this realm and the next. The spiritual dimension of music connects us to life, death, and the beyond. 
• True artistry comes from getting out of your own way and letting the music’s spirit flow through you. The most powerful music emerges when you're completely vulnerable and honest, capturing raw moments of catharsis rather than trying to perform or impress.
• Sound carries immense spiritual power. While words shouted on barricades may be silenced, the depth and resonance of music cannot be shot down or destroyed. By connecting through our art, we become points of light guiding each other home through the darkness.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

LILI HAYDN LINKS

https://www.instagram.com/lilihaydn/

https://www.lilihaydn.com/

PAUL CANTELON LINKS

https://www.instagram.com/paulcantelon/

Lullabies For the Brokenhearted – a new album by Lili Haydn & Paul Cantelon

You Could Start A Fight In An Empty House Podcast

ITAI DISRAELI LINKS

https://www.instagram.com/itai_disraeli/

https://www.instagram.com/maetarmusic/

BIOGRAPHIES: 

Violinist-composer Lili Haydn and pianist-composer Paul Cantelon have created Lullabies for the Brokenhearted—a poignant and transcendent album shaped by personal loss and the redemptive power of music. After the sudden passing of Cantelon’s wife, singer Angela McCluskey, grief left him unable to play. Haydn, a lifelong friend and collaborator, invited him into her home and gently rekindled his creative spirit. The result is 8 deeply felt compositions, recorded in just 10 days, with influences ranging from Chopin to Arvo Part. The lead single, “The Edgeless Safety of the Sea,” was released June 27, offering a first glimpse of the album’s cinematic, emotionally resonant sound.

Among the album’s most striking moments are “The Last Serenade,” a melody Haydn received at her mother’s deathbed and has since played for others in their final moments, and “Point No Point,” a piece central to Cantelon’s early work and later featured in The Diving Bell and the Butterfly.  While rooted in sorrow, the music is full of light, hope, and reverence. Haydn, a Grammy winner and Emmy-nominated composer (Netflix #1 hit Ginny & Georgia), and Cantelon, a Juilliard-trained artist with acclaimed film scores, bring decades of experience to this collaboration—a musical offering that gently holds space for grief, memory, and healing.

Itai Disraeli is a Grammy-winning bassist, composer, producer, and spiritual teacher whose music blends groove, psychedelia, and deep emotional truth. Best known for his work with Opium Moon and Maetar, Itai now turns his focus toward a revolutionary solo bass project that is melodic, hypnotic, and entirely human.

He is the founder of the music department at the renowned Wildwood School in L.A. and has mentored Grammy winning artists including Thundercat, Gracie Abrams, and Emmy winning composer Zach Robinson. As a composer for film and TV, he has contributed additional music to the Netflix hit Ginny & Georgia, as well as numerous films and documentaries.

As a student of the revered Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh, Itai believes music is a blueprint for peace. His sound is both a spiritual practice and a funky, soul-stirring ride.

Now, after decades of shaping sound in collaborative spaces, Itai steps forward with a groundbreaking solo bass project: He is Free Now is an album that is hypnotic, melodic, psychedelic, layered, groovy, and unlike anything you’ve heard before. This is bass as lead voice, as meditation, as movement. It’s not a solo record. It’s a soul record.

Join the vibrant conversation between Rain Phoenix and Merrill Garbus of Tune-Yards as they dive into Merrill’s musical journey and creative process. Merrill reflects on her experience with 4AD Records, maintaining authenticity in an ever changing industry, and the delicate balance between artistic expression and social responsibility. 

Then Merrill launches MaJo, aka, Esotérica Tropical. MaJo shares her unique approach to music-making, rooted in healing and connection with the natural world. Together, they highlight the power of music as a tool for personal growth and social change, while also exploring the artists' collaborative projects. The conversation wraps up with Esotérica Tropical’s song "Realismo Magico" featuring Merrill and MaJo’s stunning harmonies. 

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:00) Intro: Rain Phoenix welcomes Merrill Garbus
• (05:03) Merrill  discusses Tune-Yards' journey and 4AD Records
• (10:06) Challenges of navigating the music industry
• (15:35) The changing landscape of music distribution
• (20:32) Balancing artistry and social responsibility
• (25:52) The importance of authenticity and joy in music
• (31:41) Introducing Esotérica Tropical (Majo)
• (36:15) Merrill and Majo discuss their connection
• (40:24) Early musical experiences and influences
• (42:30) Listen to “Realismo Magico” by Esotérica Tropical feat. Merrill Garbus

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Music is freedom. It's a way to connect, to heal, and to express what can't be said in words alone.
• Song writing and production are so unique to each artist. Artist-label relationships can and should nurture creativity when built on mutual trust and support. 
• Creating joy and fostering connection are crucial elements in music and art of all forms.
• Creating music can serve as a powerful tool for personal healing and growth and expression. Early musical experiences can shape an artist's approach to creativity and their relationship with music and thus carry on the creation of music.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

Tune-Yards Links:

https://tune-yards.com/

https://www.instagram.com/tuneyards/

https://www.facebook.com/tuneyards/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU4wLkBnwIM

https://tune-yards.bandcamp.com/

TUNE-YARDS BIO:

Formed by Merrill Garbus in 2006, Tune-Yards has become a name synonymous with creativity and forward motion. Known for explosive performances, surprising song structures, and danceable rhythms, their music also highlights connections between song and social consciousness. The New York Times praised their debut album, BiRd-BrAiNs, as “a confident do-it-yourselfer’s opening salvo,” and relentless touring established Garbus as a commanding live performer.

Garbus stepped into the producer role with 2011’s w h o k i l l, a bold and sonically inventive album that earned critical acclaim, including the #1 spot on The Village Voice’s Pazz and Jop poll. By 2021’s sketchy., Garbus and bassist Nate Brenner had solidified their partnership, creating a fully collaborative work. The duo has announced their sixth studio record, Better Dreaming, to be released on May 16, 2025 on 4AD. 

Tune-Yards also excels in scoring, contributing to Boots Riley’s Sorry to Bother You, I’m A Virgo, and the forthcoming I Love Boosters. Their artistry continues to expand across music, film, and television.

Esotérica Tropical:

https://www.esotericatropical.com/

https://www.instagram.com/esotericatropical/

https://www.facebook.com/esotericatropical

https://soundcloud.com/esotericatropical

https://esotericatropical.bandcamp.com/

Esotérica Tropical BIO:

Esotérica Tropical is a queer Boricua bruja who transcends musical boundaries with her commanding voice, intuitive folk harp, and a fusion of Afro-Puerto Rican Bomba rhythms and electronic innovation. Her work boldly challenges colonial mentality, advocating for sovereignty and surrealism. A chance encounter with a Celtic harp on a Puerto Rican beach in 2009 transformed her from an acupuncturist into a genre-defying musical magician. Drawing on 20 years as a healer, Esotérica’s ritualistic performances have captivated audiences at major venues and festivals worldwide including, Festival Color Caribe (PR), Oakland Museum of California, Teatro Municipal de Cusco (Perú), and Teatro el Supremo (CDMX). 

 In 2022, she featured on Argentinian producer Chancha Via Circuito’s album La Estrella. Her self-titled debut album was named the Best Bay Area Music in 2024 by KQED. 

Ever wonder what it's like to be part of rock history? Our latest LaunchLeft episode pulls back the curtain on Big Star's legacy.

Rain Phoenix hosts an illuminating conversation with Jody Stephens, drummer of the legendary band Big Star. The discussion delves into Jody's early musical influences in Memphis, his experiences with Big Star, and the band's enduring legacy. Jody shares insights about recording at Ardent Studios and working with John Fry, offering a glimpse into the creation of Big Star's iconic sound. 

Jody then launches Luther Russell. They discuss their collaboration in their band Those Pretty Wrongs, exploring their songwriting process and creative dynamic. Luther provides additional perspective on their partnership and his own musical journey. The episode also touches on Jody's recent induction into the Grammy Hall of Fame and Luther's latest solo album. Throughout, the conversation highlights the importance of maintaining a joyful, pressure-free approach to creativity in music.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:00) Introducing Jody Stevens of Big Star

• (05:21) Jody’s early musical influences in Memphis

• (09:06) Rain on discovering Big Star in Costa Rica

• (15:22) John Fry's influence on Big Star's iconic sound

• (24:17) Working at Ardent Studios after Big Star

• (31:49) Changes in the music industry over time

• (47:50) Luther Russell is launched

• (49:17) Collaborative songwriting process for the band

• (56:32) Recording at Abbey Road with John Leckie

• (59:52) Luther Russell's new solo album Happiness for Beginners

• (1:02:39) Upcoming shows and future recording plans

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Music creation should be a joyful, pressure-free process. By focusing on having fun and avoiding self-imposed stress, artists can collaborate effectively long-distance and produce multiple albums together. This approach has allowed creativity to flow naturally.

• The music industry has changed dramatically, but there are still "gatekeepers" in new forms. While technology has democratized distribution, the sheer volume of content makes it challenging to break through. Having a passionate fanbase who will share your music remains crucial.

• Revisiting and performing older material can lead to unexpected new creative partnerships. What started as playing some shows together to support a documentary evolved into a fruitful songwriting collaboration and multiple albums. Being open to these opportunities can take your career in exciting new directions.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

JODY STEPHENS BIO:

Jody Stephens (born October 4, 1952, in Memphis, Tennessee) is an American drummer best known as a founding member of the influential power pop band Big Star. Formed in 1971, Big Star’s original lineup included Alex Chilton, Chris Bell, Andy Hummel, and Stephens. The band released three albums—#1 Record (1972), Radio City (1974), and Third/Sister Lovers (recorded in 1974, released in 1978)—which, despite initial commercial struggles, later garnered critical acclaim and influenced numerous artists .

In 1993, he participated in a reformation of the band alongside Chilton and members of The Posies, resulting in the 2005 album In Space. 

Beyond Big Star, Stephens has collaborated with various groups. He joined the alt-country supergroup Golden Smog (with Jeff Tweedy of Wilco), contributing to albums like Weird Tales (1998) and Another Fine Day (2006) . In 2015, he formed Those Pretty Wrongs with Luther Russell, releasing their self-titled debut in 2016, followed by Zed for Zulu (2019) and Holiday Camp (2023) .

Stephens has also been a longtime fixture at Ardent Studios in Memphis, where Big Star recorded their albums. He joined the Ardent staff in 1987 and has served as Vice President of Production am— and other titles, working under founder John Fry (who died in 2014 at age 69). Under his tenure, Ardent has continued to be a vital recording venue for artists across genres. 

Today, Jody Stephens remains active in music, performing, recording, and contributing to the legacy of Big Star and Ardent Studios (he still works at Ardent). He is the last surviving member of Big Star’s original lineup, but still plays the music with the Big Star Quartet at shows across the world. 

Kristin Hersh of THROWING MUSES joins Rain Phoenix on LaunchLeft for a raw, unfiltered conversation about artistic integrity and the music industry's dark underbelly. Kristin reflects on her journey in the music industry, discussing her experiences with major labels and her commitment to making music that feels true to her. She shares insights into her creative process, including her approach to songwriting and production. The conversation touches on themes of authenticity, the spiritual aspects of music, and the challenges of maintaining artistic vision in a commercial industry. Kristin Hersh then launches Wallace False, who offers his unique perspective on creating original music and art. The episode provides a fascinating look into two generations of musicians who prioritize creative expression over commercial success, offering listeners a glimpse into the world of independent and experimental music-making.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:00) Intro: Kristin Hersh joins LaunchLeft podcast
• (05:58) The music industry's focus on image over art
• (13:18) Spirituality and channeling in music creation
• (19:39) Exploring unconventional sounds and instruments
• (25:49) Leaving major labels to pursue artistic vision
• (32:28) Kristin on producing her own music and incorporating nature sounds
• (38:32) Streaming's impact on musical exploration
• (48:50) Wallace False is launched
• (53:54) Creating original sounds from basic waveforms
• (59:18) Finding inspiration beyond audience expectations
• (60:00) Wallace False's new industrial soundscape album: Signal

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Kristin has always prioritized authenticity in her music, choosing to leave major labels to maintain artistic integrity and her creative process. She believes that music is about capturing a visceral truth, not conforming to industry standards of prettiness or marketability. It's about nurturing the energetic essence of a song and letting it resonate with listeners who appreciate its rawness.
• Kristin strives for originality and control through her creative process. By manipulating raw sounds to craft unique compositions and avoiding conventional influences, she aims to create something entirely its own. It's important not to become complacent in any artistic lane, but to explore and experiment, allowing inspiration to guide the way.
• Music has a spiritual component that goes beyond just sound. It's about being a vessel for inspiration, channeling something greater than oneself. Kristin and Wyatt create music that resonates with truth, rejecting superficial standards and focusing on the deeper connection it can foster with those who truly listen.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

KRISTIN HERSH LINKS:

https://www.kristinhersh.com/

WALLACE FALSE LINKS:

https://dondekko.bandcamp.com/album/signal

https://medium.com/@wyatt.true.oconnell/the-fortune-letters-bc68e47777ea

BIOGRAPHIES: 

KRISTIN HERSH:

"One of indie rock's most fascinating figures" - The Guardian

The inimitable Kristin Hersh is a musician's musician, a songwriter's songwriter, and an innovator's innovator. The Queen of Grunge's first band, Throwing Muses, began recording and playing out when they were just 14 years old and they're still going. 2020's critically acclaimed Sun Racket was hailed as a "perfect record."

Hersh's refusal to participate in a corporate industry saw her leave a Warner Brothers recording contract at the top of her success in order to become listener-supported. "Music is humanist and so are we," as she puts it. Wildly prolific, she has released more than 20 albums - solo, with Throwing Muses, and her noise rock band 50 Foot Wave ("A group that runs laps around most rock bands" said Pitchfork, on 2022's Black Pearl).

She's also a celebrated author: Rolling Stone named her first book, Rat Girl (Penguin) one of the ten best rock memoirs of all time. NPR said of her second book, Don't Suck, Don't Die, "Not only one of the best books of the year, but one of the most beautiful rock memoirs ever written." Her third book, the game-changing Seeing Sideways, pushes the envelope of creative non-fiction while telling the story of raising her 4 sons on a tour bus.

Hersh lives in New Orleans and New England.

WALLACE FALSE:

Wyatt True, sometimes known as Wallace False, is a writer, animator, and musician. True was born in Rhode Island and raised just about everywhere else. He now resides in the Deep South. The common thread in True's work is a grotesque dismantling of any and all familiar structures. Guitars twang sour, sorrowful sonatas, protagonists are lost amongst melting walls and rooms that time forgot.

He is mostly docile and will only bite if cornered.

LaunchLeft, Music, Live Music, Music Inspiration, Musician Stories, Kristin Hersh, THROWING MUSES, Wallace False, music industry critique, artistic integrity, independent music, creative process, songwriting, music production, alternative rock, female musicians, Warner Brothers, music marketing, artistic authenticity, music streaming, musical literacy, studio recording techniques, sound experimentation, music collaboration, music touring, European music scene, music inspiration, music and spirituality, artistic personality, experimental music, DIY music production, music ownership

Indie rock pioneers Clap Your Hands Say Yeah are celebrating 20 years with a special reissue. But what's the real story behind their unconventional rise to fame? In this episode of LaunchLeft, host Rain Phoenix and CYHSY frontman Alec Ounsworth, meet at Licorice Pizza in Studio City to unpack the band's journey from DIY darlings to indie rock icons. They touch on CYHSY's decision to remain unsigned. It wasn't just about rebellion, it was a commitment to artistic integrity that shaped their entire career. Ounsworth candidly discusses how his stubborn streak both helped and hindered the band's trajectory. Twenty years on, Alec reflects on how his views on collaboration and the music industry have matured. Alec then launches the up-and-coming Philly band Knifeplay, who'll be supporting CYHSY on tour. The generational exchange offers a fascinating glimpse into how the indie landscape has shifted. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the evolution of indie music and the challenges of maintaining artistic authenticity in a changing industry.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:00) Intro: LaunchLeft podcast with Rain Phoenix

• (05:03) Early 2000s indie music scene and industry changes

• (10:27) Alec's approach to independence and a discussion about self-sabotage

• (15:00) CHYSY’s approach to music videos

• (20:55) Alec's songwriting process and lyrical influences

• (31:40) Knifeplay is launched and TJ joins the conversation

• (34:58) TJ's musical influences and background

• (37:37) Using social media as musicians in a digital landscape

• (43:24) TJ's balanced approach to using social media

• (48:40) Authenticity and sustainability in music careers

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Maintaining artistic integrity can be challenging but is crucial for genuine connection with audiences.

• The music industry has seen significant changes, making it harder for new artists to break through. Collaboration can be a way for artists to promote each other and expand their audience.

• Social media presents both opportunities and challenges for musicians striving to balance authenticity with promotion.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

CYHSY LINKS:

https://www.cyhsy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/clapyourhandssayyeah

https://www.instagram.com/clapyourhandssayyeah/

https://www.youtube.com/clapyourhandssayyeah

Knifeplay Links:

http://instagram.com/knifeplay_music/

BIOGRAPHIES: 

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah celebrate the 20th anniversary of their landmark self-titled debut album throughout 2025 with a worldwide tour performing the album in its entirety alongside other surprises, and an exclusive new reissue.

A heady blend of leftfield pop and melodic, exuberant indie rock, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah is unquestionably among the finest and most influential independent releases of the 2000s. The celebration officially gets underway with the premiere of Clap Your Hands Say Yeah’s original 2004 version of the fan favorite, “Heavy Metal”. The newly remixed and mastered track was recently discovered among the original project files and captures what Clap Your Hands Say Yeah founder and frontman Alec Ounsworth calls “a special moment in time – a young group of guys all piling into one hotel room to wake up and go to a real studio (!) to try to come up with something special just for the fun of it.” 

In addition to the digital anniversary release featuring the original version of “Heavy Metal,” a special deluxe reissue will arrive on limited edition vinyl LP in early 2025, released on CYHSY’s own label via Secretly Distribution, the defiantly independent home to over two decades of Alec Ounsworth’s music.

Knifeplay is a band that eludes definition, existing somewhere between the nihilistic detachment of shoegaze and the emotional honesty of folk songwriting. Originally a solo bedroom recording project of Tj Strohmer’s, they’ve made a slow and careful shift into a collaborative, production focused, studio recorded band. Through their ever-expanding genre palette, range of fidelities, and long list of collaborators runs a unique current that ties everything together.

Informed by his experiences living in Philadelphia and their contrast with his rural southern Maryland upbringing, Strohmer’s sometimes straightforward, sometimes dreamlike, but always philosophical lyrics feature scenes of darkness from many different aspects of life. He deals with themes of death, drugs, heartbreak, abuse, and self-destruction, all expressed through a delicate vocal style, which, combined with the band’s lush orchestral instrumentation gives a beautiful lightness to the heavy subject matter.

Since their 2017 debut of home-recorded EPs, Knifeplay have earned a dedicated cult following through acclaimed debut album Pearlty (2019) and a lengthy B-Sides Compilation (2020), all either self-released or through small run tape labels. In 2021 they entered the studio with producer Jeff Zeigler, known for his work with Kurt Vile, Nothing, The War on Drugs, and more, first producing the Hurt Someone EP (Born Losers Records) before recording their upcoming sophomore full-length, Animal Drowning, to be released via Topshelf Records on October 19, 2022.

Today on LaunchLeft, Rain Phoenix hosts an insightful conversation with acclaimed music producer Don Was, who shares his journey through the music industry and his philosophy on creativity. Don reflects on his diverse career, emphasizing the importance of avoiding being pigeonholed and the value of one’s emotional connection in music. Don recounts his experiences working with iconic artists like Bob Dylan, Bonnie Raitt, and the Rolling Stones, highlighting the timeless nature of genuine artistry. The discussion also touches on Don's roots in Detroit's vibrant music scene and his latest project, the Pan Detroit Ensemble, which celebrates the city's rich musical heritage. Later, Don launches Maya Delilah, whose debut album, "The Long Way Round," is set to release with Blue Note Records. Maya shares her journey from social media sensation to recording artist, expressing gratitude for the creative freedom and support she received from the label. The episode offers a compelling look at the intersection of legacy and emerging talent, underscoring the enduring power of authenticity in music.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (00:16) Don Was's Career and Production Philosophy: Discover Don's approach to music production, emphasizing authenticity and emotional connection
• (25:00) The Influence of Detroit's Music Scene: Learn how Detroit's unique cultural mix shaped Don's musical perspective
• (35:00) Blue Note Records and Artist Development: Explore Blue Note's nurturing approach to artist development
• (45:00) Maya Delilah's Debut Album Creation: Maya shares her transformative recording experience
• (50:10) Collaborative Effort in Artist Development: Don and Maya discuss the supportive environment at Blue Note Records

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Authenticity in music production is crucial for creating timeless music that resonates emotionally.
• Detroit's raw, honest sound has significantly influenced Don's production style and creative process.
• Blue Note Records prioritizes nurturing an artist's unique voice over conforming to trends.
• Maya Delilah's debut album “The Long Way Round,” aims to evoke nostalgia and comfort, reflecting her artistic vision.
• Collaboration and creative freedom are vital in developing successful artists.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

DON WAS LINKS:

https://donwas.com/

https://www.instagram.com/donwas/

MAYA DELILAH LINKS:

https://www.mayadelilah.com/

https://www.instagram.com/mayadelilahh/

https://www.facebook.com/mayadelilahh/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mayadelilahh

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHZBLbph9tL9e7LAfZm_pjg

BIOGRAPHIES: 

Don Was is one of music’s most significant artists and executives, excelling in multiple roles and serving as one of the industry’s beacons for integrity and forward-thinking. 

As an in-demand, highly acclaimed and commercially successful producer since the late 1980s, Was has been honored with Grammy Awards for his production work in each of the past four decades:   In 1989 for producing Bonnie Raitt’s breakthrough classic Nick Of Time, in 1994 as Producer Of The Year for his work with artists ranging from The Rolling Stones to Willie Nelson to Roy Orbison, in 2009 for his production work on Ziggy Marley’s Best Musical Album For Children, Family Time, in 2018 for helming The Rolling Stones’ Best Traditional Blues Album. Blue & Lonesome a, and in 2019 for producing Intocable’s Latin Grammy-winning  Best Norteño Album, percepción.  The artists Was has produced in this decade alone are a testament to his talents as a producer spanning a broad array of music genres:   The Rolling Stones’ aforementioned worldwide hit album (Blue & Lonesome) Gregg Allman’s final album (Southern Blood), John Mayer (two of his most recent albums, Born And Raised and Paradise Valley), Aaron Neville (My True Story, co-produced with Keith Richards), French superstar Johnny Hallyday (Rester Vivant) and Neil Diamond’s Melody Road.  Albums produced by Was have achieved dozens of multi-platinum, platinum and gold certifications and have sold more than 90 million copies worldwide.

As the President of Blue Note Records since 2011, Was is both the company’s leader and an ambassador for its music, charged with bringing the label’s 21st Century jazz artists and its expanding pallet of contemporary musicians to larger audiences.

Maya Delilah is an English singer-songwriter and guitarist. Maya Delilah has been signed to jazz record label Blue Note Records since 2022.

For episode 160 of the podcast, join Rain Phoenix at Licorice Pizza as she hosts an engaging conversation with legendary songwriter Diane Warren and rising musician Mergui. This episode offers a deep dive into Diane's illustrious career, her creative process, and her collaboration with Mergui on the song "Criminal." The discussion provides unique perspectives on the music industry, including insights from one of modern music’s most celebrated songwriters.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• [5:05] Diane Warren's early musical influences

• [11:10] Writing I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing and OSCAR nominations

• [13:00] Diane launches Mergui

• [15:28] Diane's versatility across musical genres

• [20:00] Mergui’s insights on sampling Elton John’s song

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Diane Warren's journey into songwriting began at a young age, sparked by her fascination with record credits. She would study the names of songwriters on albums, dreaming of seeing her own name there one day. This early passion and determination set her on a path to becoming one of the most successful songwriters in the industry.

• Despite the challenges faced by women in the music industry, Diane never let her gender define her capabilities. Inspired by trailblazers like Carole King, she pursued her career with confidence, never doubting her potential to succeed as a songwriter.

• Collaboration with artists like Mergui showcases Diane and Mergui's ability to adapt and thrive in different musical genres. Diane’s intuitive sense for matching songs with the right artists has led to successful partnerships, allowing her to continue creating timeless music across various styles.

• It’s important for songwriters to find the right artist to sing and produce their songs, someone who will honor and preserve the meaning and the music. That’s when the magic happens.

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

DIANE LINKS:

https://www.realsongs.com/

https://x.com/Diane_Warren

https://www.instagram.com/dianewarren/

https://www.facebook.com/DianeWarrenMusic

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGZlUzfjZd10wW5yDYUKJ0g

Mergui LINKS:

https://www.Mergui.com/

https://www.tiktok.com/@Mergui

https://www.instagram.com/Mergui

https://www.facebook.com/Merguiofficial/

https://x.com/Mergui

https://www.youtube.com/@Mergui_

BIOS: 

Diane Warren is one of modern music’s most celebrated songwriters. She has penned nine #1 and thirty-three top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and is tied for having written the most #1 songs as a sole writer in Billboard history. She was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2001 and received the prestigious Johnny Mercer Award from the organization in June 2024.

She has received 16 Academy Award nominations, is a GRAMMY winner with 15 nominations, an EMMY winner, and is a two-time Golden Globe winner whose songs have been featured in more than 150 films.

In November 2022, Warren became the first songwriter in history to receive an Honorary Oscar, as voted on by the Academy's Board of Governors. She recently wrote the original song "The Fire Inside," performed by Becky G for the film Flamin' Hot, directed by Eva Longoria, which marked her 15th Oscar nomination. She most recently wrote the original song “The Journey” performed by H.E.R. for the feature film The Six Triple Eight directed by Tyler Perry which marked her 16th Oscar nomination.

She is the sole owner of her publishing company Realsongs, the most successful female-owned and operated business in the music industry. Warren is a recipient of a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, a nod to her legendary career, having worked with many of today's most popular artists, including Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, H.E.R., Snoop Dogg, Paloma Faith, Jon Batiste, Maren Morris, John Legend, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, Andra Day, Justin Bieber, Jennifer Hudson and Janelle Monáe, in addition to having written songs for iconic artists such as Whitney Houston, Cher, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Dolly Parton, Reba McEntire, and many more.

Mergui has made it his mission to push the limits of modern pop music. He’s accomplished some incredible feats such as opening for Bruno Mars and Maroon 5. His talent has been recognized by publications such as Rolling Stone, Billboard, Wonderland Magazine, and Notion. Drawing inspiration from the rich tapestry of early 20th-century Italian opera and the nostalgic allure of ‘70s AM pop, Mergui’s sophomore EP Shadows of Blue was a remarkable fusion of influences. Notable tracks from the EP include the Elton John-approved “Cry,” and “Happy Now?”, which he performed on The Kelly Clarkson Show and NBC’s The TODAY Show, resulting in the track skyrocketing to the Top 10 on the U.S. iTunes Singer/Songwriter charts. Mergui’s music has been featured in top-notch editorial playlists across digital service platforms including Spotify’s New Music Friday (US & Global), Chill Pop, New Pop Picks, and Just Good Music. Mergui’s unguarded sense of vulnerability shines through in his art, landing him a coveted spot on People Magazine’s Emerging Artists of 2024 list. Following a successful tour with Forest Blakk and a collaboration with Sam Feldt in the latter half of 2024, Mergui is ready to take 2025 by storm with the release of his latest EP Nobody Really Knows.

In this episode of LaunchLeft captured at Licorice Pizza, Rain Phoenix welcomes Courtney Taylor-Taylor of The Dandy Warhols. They delve into The Dandy Warhols' history, touching on the 90s and how the band has adapted over three decades and the changing landscape of the music industry, from the MTV era to the current digital age. Courtney launches Miranda Lee Richards, who offers insights into her own musical career. The discussion shifts to the creative process, with both Courtney and Miranda sharing their approaches to songwriting. The episode culminates in a special acoustic performance of Kristin Hersh’s iconic song “Your Ghost”, showcasing the raw talent of both artists.

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• [02:04] The Dandy Warhols' 30-Year Journey: Courtney reflects on the band's longevity and the importance of listening to each member's voice.

• [06:11] Songwriting and Creative Process: Discover how music serves as therapy and the balance between creating art and entertainment.

• [35:52] Music Industry Transformation: Explore the impact of MTV's decline and the current state of the music industry.

• [44:29] Protest Songs and Social Commentary: A discussion on the absence of protest songs and the challenges of writing socially conscious music.

• [57:51] Touring and Recording Experiences: Miranda and Courtney share stories from their European tour, highlighting the balance of work and fun.

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Maintaining a long-running band requires adapting to changing dynamics and respecting each member's creative input

• The shift from the MTV era to the current digital landscape has dramatically altered how artists create and distribute music.

• Songwriting often involves a balance between conscious effort and subconscious inspiration, with the best lyrics often surprising the writer

• Collaborations and live performances continue to be vital aspects of the music industry, offering unique experiences for both artists and audiences

RESOURCE LINKS: 

LaunchLeft Podcast Smart Link

@launchleft

DANDY WARHOLS:

https://www.dandywarhols.com/

https://www.instagram.com/thedandywarhols

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-HcL5BBMRHXkijhIniuu0Q

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MIRANDA LEE RICHARDS:

https://www.mirandaleerichards.com/

https://www.instagram.com/mirandaleerichards/

https://www.facebook.com/mirandaleerichards

https://x.com/MirandaRichards

https://soundcloud.com/mirandaleerichards

https://www.youtube.com/user/MirandaLeeRichards1

BIOS: 

Courtney Taylor-Taylor is an American singer-songwriter from Portland, Oregon. He is the lead singer and guitarist of alternative rock band The Dandy Warhols, a band he co-founded. Taylor-Taylor has written the majority of the band's songs.

Miranda Lee Richards is known for her distinctive brand of enchanting “chamber folk rock meets cosmic country," Miranda Lee Richards’ latest long-player, Existential Beast, is provocative in every sense, from the breadth of musical ambition to its politically-driven lyrics (10/10 Americana UK).

She has collaborated in the studio and/or performed onstage with The Brian Jonestown Massacre, Mark Gardener of Ride, The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Dandy Warhols, Bridgette St. John, Susan Vega, Grant Lee Philips, The Cordovas, Juliana Hatfield, Albert Hammond, GospelbeacH, The Beachwood Sparks, and Charlie Overbey, among many others. Miranda Lee Richards is currently working on an album of solo Americana material, and two collaborative folk albums: one with the U.K.-based Lords of Thyme and another with the Los Angeles-based MIROMA trio. In 2019, she was voted best folk-roots artist by the LA Weekly.