In Part 1, former Point Loma Nazarene University students Noah and Ashley Shaw shared their firsthand experiences with progressive Christianity on campus. In Part 2, we bring the receipts. We examine what PLNU publicly claims to believe and compare it with what professors are actually teaching, publishing, promoting, and platforming.

From PLNU connections to Queering Wesley, Queering the Church, to professors contributing to a book arguing that the Nazarene Church should become fully LGBTQ+ affirming, to academic work incorporating transgender identities and abortion into discussions of motherhood, the evidence raises serious questions about how deep the theological drift goes. And because every PLNU student is required to take multiple theology courses, Noah and Ashley argue that these influences aren't confined to some obscure corner of campus.

We also investigate progressive churches connected to PLNU faculty, controversial chapel speakers, process theology, and what happens when Christian leaders refuse to confront false teaching.

If you're a Christian parent considering PLNU, a current student, or anyone concerned about theological drift in Christian institutions, this is an episode you don't want to miss.

Links:

Professor Stephanie Smith-Matthews’ dissertation: https://irbe.library.vanderbilt.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/c859c543-a780-44bc-81c6-87a4d1e96313/content

PLNU Professors sermons from Normal Heights United Methodist Church:

https://nhunited.org/podcast/guest-preacher-dr-stephanie-smith-matthews/

https://nhunited.org/podcast/guest-preacher-dr-stephanie-matthews/

https://nhunited.org/podcast/guest-preacher-rev-dr-montague-williams/

Former PLNU Professors contributed chapters to "Why the Church of the Nazarene Should Be Fully LGBTQ+ Affirming" https://www.amazon.com/dp/1948609940?lv=shuf&bestFormat=true&social_share=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_KXF7X3K5943WDX4ZVY6S&channelId=704&ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_KXF7X3K5943WDX4ZVY6S&plpRedirect=mhFallback

Professor Jennifer Guerra-Aldana showcasing Friere’s Pedagogy of the Oppressed https://www.instagram.com/p/C1FqdW4SlMs/

Normal Heights United Methodist Church: https://www.google.com/url?q=http://nhunited.org&sa=D&source=docs&ust=1788670911469458&usg=AOvVaw1mPi42U1uFGQcBWsAJI4NC

Song added to NHUMC for Pride season: https://nhunited.org/news/new-song-added-to-worship-this-pride-season/

Noah Shaw, "The Apostasy of Normal Heights United Methodist Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TBuVUSL8E

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdWw1SSOVt8&feature=youtu.be

Catherine Keller for Wiley Lectures: https://lomabeat.com/catherine-keller-explores-intersection-of-faith-and-creation-at-wiley-lectures/

Dean of Students Jason Cha's dissertation, "The Raging Waters of Whiteness: Addressing White Evangelical Racism in Higher Education" https://www.proquest.com/docview/2851748156/fulltextPDF?%20Theses&parentSessionId=Z1WICa5WdtrbTyM38ZAL2L5fwHrHZXkopllLyBqupdo%3D&pq-origsite=primo&sourcetype=Dissertations%20

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For the first time, John and Korey Cooper of the Grammy-nominated, multi-platinum rock band Skillet are breaking their silence about the church abuse that devastated their family and turned their community against them.

For years, the Coopers were deeply embedded in Korey’s lifelong church, never realizing that its leadership embraced beliefs and practices associated with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Those beliefs weren't clearly disclosed, but as John and Korey began to understand what was really being taught and practiced behind the scenes, they started asking questions—and everything changed.

What followed were prophetic words, accusations, pressure to submit to spiritual authority, fractured family relationships, and efforts to turn members of their own community against them. With Korey’s brother-in-law serving as the church’s “apostle” and her father remaining an elder, walking away came at an enormous personal cost.

We also examine the theology and practices of the NAR, the dangers of unaccountable spiritual authority, how prophetic claims can be used to manipulate people, and what happens when questioning church leaders is treated as questioning God.

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What happens when students attend a Christian university expecting their faith to be strengthened—but instead encounter professors who question Scripture, reject the atonement, and blur biblical teaching on sexuality?

Former Point Loma Nazarene University students Noah and Ashley Shaw share what they they experienced firsthand—from being taught that Moses wasn’t real and hearing a radically different definition of the gospel, to LGBTQ activism on campus and the backlash they faced when they spoke up. Has Point Loma Nazarene become progressive? We explore that question in the next two episodes of the podcast.

Links mentioned in the show:

Article about Noah's chapel petition: https://lomabeat.com/petition-concerning-chapel-practices-causes-tension-on-campus/

Noah's chapel petition: https://lomabeat.com/petition-concerning-chapel-practices/

Chapel petition follow up: https://lomabeat.com/chapel-petition-follow-up-discussion-prompts-desire-for-continued-conversation/

Article about campus LGBTQ protest: https://lomabeat.com/students-and-alumni-organize-to-bring-visibility-to-lgbtqia-experiences/

Deirdre Brower Latz's chapel message: https://www.youtube.com/live/J6Gh_4LuXWk

Noah's article on the gospel: https://lomabeat.com/renewal-comes-through-the-gospel/

PLNU Professor Jon Manning's article responding to Noah's article: https://lomabeat.com/christians-define-gospel-in-different-ways-and-thats-okay/

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What do radical Islam, LGBTQ ideology, cultural Marxism, socialism, and the Democratic Party have in common? On the surface, their beliefs—and even their ultimate goals—can radically contradict one another. So why do they so often end up politically and culturally aligned?

In this episode, Alisa sits down with Frank Turek and Phoenix Hayes, authors of The War on Reality: Recovering Truth in a World That Celebrates Lies, to expose the worldview underneath some of the strangest alliances shaping our culture. They unpack the oppressed-vs.-oppressor framework of cultural Marxism, the growing influence of radical Islam, the algorithm’s role in distorting how we see reality, and why Christians can’t simply retreat from cultural and political battles.

At the center of it all is a much bigger question: What happens to a culture when objective truth is replaced by “your truth” and “my truth”? Frank and Phoenix argue that the war on reality didn’t begin with politics—it begins with the question, “Has God really said?”

This conversation is provocative, funny, and deadly serious—and a challenge to Christians to know what they believe, recognize the ideologies competing for our culture, refuse to stay silent, and stand firmly on the ultimate source of truth: Christ.

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Michael Jones and his family were doxxed and threatened for publicly challenging Islam. Their personal information was exposed, the threats became serious enough that they had to move—and Michael refused to be silenced.

In this episode, Michael, creator of Inspiring Philosophy, joins me for a crash course on what Christians need to know about the threat of radical Islam. We unpack the origins of Islam, Muhammad and the Quran, the Hadith, Islam’s treatment of women, its political dimensions, what Muslims believe about Jesus and Allah, and why Michael believes Christians need to understand what Islam’s foundational texts actually teach.

Michael shares practical ways Christians can engage Muslim friends and neighbors, challenge the Islamic worldview, and ultimately point Muslims to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Ryan Bomberger came ready to challenge sacred cows and say the things many Christians are afraid to say.

Conceived in rape and placed for adoption, Ryan has called himself “the 1% used to justify 100% of abortions.” Now, as founder of the Radiance Foundation and author of Should Have Been Aborted, he has spent decades fighting for the dignity of every human life.

In this episode, Ryan holds nothing back as we dig into the surprising intersection of abortion, racism, and critical race theory. Why does CRT teach us to scrutinize racial disparities throughout American society, while the enormous racial disparity in abortion receives comparatively little attention? And what happens when churches adopt secular frameworks for understanding race instead of beginning with Scripture? Ryan argues that Christians have allowed fear of being labeled “racist” to silence them—and directly challenges some of the books, movements, and ideas that have shaped the evangelical conversation about race since 2020.

We also turn the spotlight on the pro-life movement itself. Ryan doesn’t give Republicans a pass, criticizing what he sees as the GOP’s retreat on abortion and the Trump administration’s weaknesses on key life issues.

But this conversation isn’t just about politics. It’s about the church. Ryan challenges Christians who are so concerned with being “winsome” that they become afraid to confront lies, defend the vulnerable, or risk being called names. He explains why speaking the truth in love sometimes requires courage, clarity, and a willingness to be unpopular.

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Few topics generate more emotional pushback among Christians than forgiveness. Are Christians required to forgive everyone—even when the person who hurt them refuses to repent? And if forgiveness is conditional, does that contradict Jesus’ command to forgive?

In this episode, I sit down again with Teasi Cannon, author of Counterfeit Forgiveness: How a Modern Myth Betrays Victims, Protects Abusers, and Corrupts the Gospel, to respond to the biggest objections to the conditional view of biblical forgiveness.

We tackle passages like Mark 11:25 and Jesus’ prayer from the cross, “Father, forgive them,” and ask whether requiring repentance makes forgiveness transactional. We also discuss how to recognize genuine repentance and what happens when an offender never repents, is unavailable, has died, or is unsafe.

Most importantly, we address the concern at the heart of this debate: Does conditional forgiveness leave victims trapped in bitterness or unable to heal? Teasi explains why rejecting therapeutic forgiveness does not mean holding onto bitterness, refusing to love your enemies, or abandoning healing—and why forgiveness, reconciliation, restoration, justice, and trust need to be understood as distinct biblical categories.

Is conditional forgiveness really a new or fringe idea—or has therapeutic culture reshaped the way many Christians understand forgiveness? This conversation goes straight to Scripture to ask what God actually requires of us when we’ve been sinned against.

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At just 18 years old, Ava Calhoun is taking a microphone to college campuses and city streets to ask strangers a simple question: When do you think life begins? And remarkably, she’s actually changing minds. Several people who entered conversations with her holding pro-choice views have walked away persuaded of the pro-life position.

In this episode, Ava joins me to break down what she’s learned from having face-to-face conversations about abortion: how to ask good questions, how to respond to the arguments she hears over and over, and how to remain calm and respectful when the person on the other side is hostile. We also talk about why curiosity can be more effective than trying to score a “gotcha,” how to handle questions you don’t know how to answer, and why Christians shouldn’t measure the success of a conversation solely by whether someone changes their mind on the spot.

Then we put those strategies to the test by reacting to viral TikToks making some of today’s most common arguments for abortion—including claims that the Bible never condemns abortion, that life begins at first breath, and that Christians and pastors can be pro-choice.

This is an especially important episode to share with teenagers and young adults. Ava demonstrates that you don’t need to be an expert or have a theology degree to make a difference. You can learn to think clearly, ask good questions, speak the truth with courage and gentleness—and maybe even change someone’s mind.

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Why are young men and young women increasingly moving in different cultural and political directions? In this episode, Alisa sits down with Dr. Corey Miller, president of Ratio Christi, to discuss trends shaping higher education, the church, and Western culture.

They explore the growing gender divide on college campuses, the rise of cultural apologetics, the role of empathy in persuasion, and why today's campus debates often become tomorrow's cultural norms. Dr. Miller also shares insights from decades of engaging students and faculty on university campuses, discussing topics such as worldview, morality, identity, and the challenges Christians face when engaging contemporary cultural issues.

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In Part 2 of our series on equal protection for the preborn, Alisa sits down with Ginna Cross, co-CEO of Alliance Family Services, to hear the case for why equal protection should be pursued now—not later. Grounded in a deep conviction that Scripture demands equal justice for every human being made in God's image, Ginna argues that Christians should advocate for laws that protect preborn children the same way they protect every other innocent person.

Together, Alisa and Jenna discuss:

What "equal protection" actually means

Why some pro-life leaders oppose equal protection legislation

The biblical case for equal protection

Common objections, including concerns about criminalizing women

What happened behind the scenes with equal protection bills in Tennessee and other states

The differences—and similarities—between the pro-life and abolition movements

Why this debate matters for Christians who want to think biblically about justice, law, and the sanctity of human life

Whether you agree with Scott Klusendorf's strategic concerns from Part 1 or with the arguments presented by Ginna Cross in this episode, this two-part series is designed to help you hear the strongest case from each perspective so you can think through one of the most significant debates in the pro-life movement today.

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Equal protection for the preborn has become one of the biggest and most divisive debates in the pro-life movement. Everyone agrees abortion ends the life of an innocent human being. Everyone wants to see abortion end. The disagreement is over how Christians should get there.

In this episode, Alisa sits down with pro-life apologist Scott Klusendorf for a thoughtful and friendly debate about whether pursuing equal protection legislation right now is the best path forward.

Scott argues that while equal protection is the right destination, pushing for it today could actually undermine the pro-life movement and cost lives. Alisa, who supports equal protection, challenges his position while seeking to understand the strongest case against it.

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What equal protection actually means

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Should women ever be prosecuted for abortion?

Lessons from William Wilberforce and the abolition of slavery

Why worldview—not just politics—is at the heart of the abortion debate

Whether pursuing equal protection now is wise or premature

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