Deconstructor of Fun

Deconstructor of Fun

Deconstructor of Fun podcast is created by games professionals for games professionals. We explore the business side of the games industry with the goal of bringing listeners content that is relevant, insightful, and entertaining on a weekly basis. Hosts: Michail Katkoff @mkatkoff www.linkedin.com/in/michailkatkoff/ Eric Kress @ekress www.linkedin.com/in/erickress/ Laura Taranto @laurataranto www.linkedin.com/in/laurataranto/ Phillip Black @econosopher www.linkedin.com/in/phillip-black-economist/ Jen Donahoe @Jen_Donahoe www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferdonahoe Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/deconstructoroffun/support

  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    TWIG #362 The Golden TWIGs 2025 Show

    Brace yourself. Golden TWIG voting is open!

    https://forms.gle/b4HFZkaeczN41BsBA

    This isn’t a participation-trophy awards show. Nor some thinly veiled promotion of paid sponsors. Golden TWIG is the industry mirror we all pretend not to look into.

    Vote now and help us separate the gold from the garbage.

    00:00 Welcome 00:24 Golden Twig Award Nominations00:58 Mishka of Arabia02:43 Upcoming Events and Shills03:48 Podcast Highlights and Industry Insights20:31 Correction of the Year24:53 Most Damage Received31:06 Most Disappointing Game of 202533:07 Disappointing Game Releases34:41 Split Gate 2: A Major Letdown36:21 Underrated Games of the Year39:46 Ubisoft's Surprising Hits44:10 Skeptical Moves in the Gaming Industry49:29 Brilliant Moves in Gaming01:01:04 Limping Donkeys: Gaming's Biggest Failures01:06:01 Golden Twig Nominations Wrap-Up

    18 December 2025, 10:02 pm
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    315. From Space Ape to Duolingo via Supercell with Simon Hade

    What actually happens after the hit games, the acquisitions, and the “success”?

    In this episode, Simon Hade, co-founder of Space Ape Games, walks through the uncomfortable middle of game company building: from Playfish → Space Ape → Supercell → NextBeat → Duolingo.

    This isn’t a victory lap. It’s a post-mortem on genre mastery vs. exploration, lean LiveOps, why copying the Supercell playbook breaks most studios, and why Simon ultimately left games to help build Duolingo’s music and learning products.

    00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene

    00:43 The Birth of Space Ape

    03:26 Fundraising Challenges and Successes

    07:48 Innovations and Strategic Moves

    13:27 Lean LiveOps Philosophy

    16:51 Supercell Acquisition and Cultural Shifts

    18:50 Reflections and Lessons Learned

    38:59 Spinning Outta Supercell

    40:26 Exploring Duolingo Partnership

    44:37 Relentless Optimization at Duolingo

    49:13 Transitioning to Duolingo

    55:42 The Price of Being a Founder

    01:03:05 Reflections on Success and Future

    15 December 2025, 9:55 am
  • 1 hour 3 minutes
    TWIG #361 WB Games’ Fate, CoD’s Apology Tour & the UA Financing Trap

    FNaF 2 crushes box office expectations, proving (again) that game IP owns Hollywood. We break down Matthew Ball’s take on the EA/PIF deal, why 93% ownership signals a sports-media empire play, not an LBO, and why the press got the story wrong.

    Then: the Nex Playground, a $200 kids’ console that quietly outsold PS5 in November. Is this the next underserved frontier in family gaming?

    We also tear into UA financing schemes masquerading as “cohort funding.” Spoiler: the effective interest rates rhyme with credit-card debt, and studios have died using them.

    Call of Duty launches an apology tour for Black Ops 7 and vows to stop annualized crunch. We assess the odds.

    And we close with AppLovin beating Google on Android e-commerce ads, inside Google’s own OS. A massive signal for the future of UA as e-comm competition starts eating the gaming pie.

    11 December 2025, 9:49 pm
  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    314. Hard Truths About Co-Founders, Capital, and Competition with Appcharge's Founders Roei and Maor

    The dynamics of co-founder relationships, featuring Appcharge co-founders Roei Barassi and Maor Sason. They share insights on building a robust team, the significance of mentorship, and the importance of celebrating success. Learn about the challenges and strategies of scaling a company, raising capital, and maintaining a strong culture across global offices. Whether you're a first-time founder or a seasoned entrepreneur, this episode is packed with invaluable lessons on leadership, teamwork, and innovation.00:00 The Importance of Co-Founder Relationships02:56 Handling Conflicts with Respect09:39 Balancing Personal Life and Startup Demands24:40 Raising Funds and Building Momentum31:57 Navigating Early Rejections and Negotiations32:28 Turning Nos into Yeses33:25 The Importance of Positive Mindset34:52 Hidden Risks of Too Much Capital35:44 What Founders Should Avoid Between Rounds38:52 The Evolution of Web Stores41:56 App Charge's Unique Value Proposition51:32 Building a Global Team53:40 Scaling and Maintaining Company Culture57:45 Leadership Challenges in Rapid Growth01:01:58 Final Advice for Founders01:05:15 Conclusion and Farewell

    9 December 2025, 6:00 am
  • 1 hour 1 minute
    TWIG #360 The Story of Two Steam Games, Where Winds Meet & The 4X Shake-Up

    This week in games, the money moves got messy: Dream Games recalibrates everyone's ambitions while the Saudi shopping spree continues. We take a look at Where Winds Meet and what it really says about China’s next wave of global ambitions, and ask the uncomfortable question: how are indie studios actually surviving right now? Finally, we zoom out to the battlefield of 4X strategy, the genre’s current health, the growing wave of female players, and whether a fresh face like Tile Survive can rewrite the rules.

    00:00 Welcome

    00:22 Introduction and Shills

    04:26 Dream Games Budget Correction

    14:06 Bite Dance's Mobile Investments

    19:22 Arc Games Independence

    20:52 Where Winds Meet: A New Chinese Game

    29:17 The South Korea Deal and Blizzard's Business Model

    31:21 Success and Challenges of Indie Game Studios

    33:38 VC Investments in Gaming: A Tough Landscape

    36:12 PlayerUnknown Productions and Their New Game

    47:37 The State of 4X Strategy Games

    51:24 The Rise of Female Gamers in 4X Strategy

    55:48 Tile Survive: A New Contender in 4X Strategy

    59:56 Conclusion and Future Topics

    4 December 2025, 8:55 pm
  • 43 minutes 4 seconds
    313. The Complete Guide to Gaming's Fastest-Growing UA Channel

    Loyalty platforms have evolved from sideline UA channels to commanding 25-50% of major studios' media budgets. In this deep dive, VYBS founder Ido Raz breaks down everything game developers need to know about loyalty apps—from the basics to advanced strategies for maximizing player quality and LTV.

    We cover the biggest misconceptions about incentivized traffic, why casual games benefit the most, and how to avoid the common mistakes that kill campaigns. Plus, Ido shares the single most overlooked KPI that changes how you evaluate traffic quality.

    CHAPTERS:

    00:00 Introduction

    02:39 How Loyalty Apps Differ from Offerwalls

    03:33 Business Model: From CPI to ROAS Optimization

    05:28 Can Loyalty Be a Primary UA Channel?

    11:25 Best Genres for Loyalty Platforms

    12:29 The Magic Myth: Why Loyalty Requires Specialization

    13:45 Are Loyalty Users Different from Traditional Players

    17:20 When Should Studios Start Using Loyalty Apps?

    18:54 The Cash Flow Advantage: 4 Months vs 2 Years

    21:00 Timeline to Success: 1 Week to 7 Weeks

    22:35 Patience vs Pressure: Learning Cycles

    26:30 Using Loyalty to Amplify Live Events

    27:53 Common Mistakes Studios Make

    29:52 The Unrealistic KPI Problem

    34:58 Loyalty vs App Store Competition

    36:07 AI's Impact on Loyalty Platforms

    40:36 Best Way to Spot Low-Quality Users

    44:46 What's Next for VYBS?

    1 December 2025, 10:42 am
  • 54 minutes 13 seconds
    Shooter Monthly #2: Call of Duty Flops, Battlefield Hops, and Arc Raiders Pops

    Call of Duty’s worst launch in a decade collides with the rise of extraction shooters, and the balance of power inside the genre shifts. We dig into why Black Ops 7 cratered, how Battlefield 6 stole the spotlight, and why Arc Raiders is suddenly the most important new IP in shooters. Chris Sides and Feras return to map the fault lines, spar over SPMM, and weigh whether Tarkov’s disastrous Steam debut marks the ceiling for the genre’s original heavyweight.


    We discuss:

    • Black Ops 7’s collapse and why marketing, futurism, and CPI pressure all converged

    • Battlefield 6’s surge, the RedSec flop, and why innovation is still missing in BR design

    • The extraction boom: Arc Raiders as the “PUBG moment” and its long-term retention risks

      • PvE as the emerging driver of mainstream extraction demand

    • Skill-based matchmaking as an economic problem, not a matchmaking one

    • Tarkov’s failed 1.0 launch and what its country-mix reveals about stagnant reach

    • Whether Embark should kill The Finals and move every resource into Arc Raiders

    28 November 2025, 3:28 pm
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    TWIG #359 Unity x Epic, Roblox Controversy, Saudi Money and Why The Game Awards Make No Sense

    The DoF crew break down everything: from Ubisoft’s endless identity crisis to Unity and Epic’s unexpected “Make the Metaverse Great Again” alliance.We get into Roblox CEO David Baszucki’s tense appearance on Hard Fork, the baffling randomness of The Game Awards nominations, Saudi Arabia’s PIF liquidity challenges, and why Turkey’s red-hot gaming scene may finally be overheating.

    Plus: a disagreement for Nordic tax schemes and a dispatch from Helsinki’s Slush Conference, home of the world’s most optimistic founders in a country with no economic growth.

    00:00 Welcome

    01:52 Slush Conference Insights

    05:06 Tax Benefits for Expats in Europe

    08:29 Shills

    09:24 Ubisoft and Tencent Deal

    12:28 Epic Games and Unity Partnership

    18:30 Roblox CEO's Podcast Appearance

    30:11 Game Awards Nominationss

    32:19 Most Anticipated Games Discussion

    34:23 Controversial Mobile Game Nominations

    39:22 Saudi Arabia's Gaming Investments

    47:12 Turkey's Booming Gaming Ecosystem

    54:43 Steam Machines and Market Challenges

    01:01:51 Concluding Thoughts and Thanksgiving Wishes

    28 November 2025, 12:07 am
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    312. How Three Engineers No One Wanted to Fund Built a $XXXM Company

    This isn't your typical "we raised $50M and exited" story. This is what happens when you have no choice but to figure it out yourselves. When the tripod refuses to fall. When you run out of everything except ideas. This is the story of Heroic Labs.
    About Heroic Labs: Core infrastructure for game studios. If you've played games from Zynga, Gram Games, or dozens of other studios, you've used their tech without knowing it. That's by design.
    📱 Follow for more founder stories that break the mold: www.deconstructoroffun.com/blog
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    "The road you're in is a graveyard, full of skulls of previous dead companies." - Bing Gordon, Kleiner Perkins
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Heroic Safari Adventures
    01:24 Switching to Open Source
    04:14 Journey to Y Combinator
    09:44 Life at Y Combinator
    26:01 Demo Day and Investor Meetings
    33:03 Heroic Bootstrapping
    37:40 Remote Work and Team Dynamics
    43:01  Founder Dynamics
    50:19  Advice for Founders
    01:03:55 Team Pride & Retention
    01:13:04 Rapid Fire Questions

    24 November 2025, 7:42 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    TWIG #358 Steam Machine, the Future of PC Gaming?

    Call of Duty tanks so hard that even Battlefield feels bad for it. Valve unveils a cube that may or may not be the future of PC gaming, depending on which half of the internet you ask.Sexy cozy games are quietly eating the West, which sounds ridiculous until the revenue charts come out. Now everyone’s worried… And the triumphant return of a special guest.

    00:51 Episode Overview

    04:43 Amazon Game Studios Layoffs

    06:11 Call of Duty Black Ops 7 Analysis

    22:39 Valve's New Steam Machine

    32:56 Xbox's Struggles and Market Position

    34:38 Valve's Strategy in China

    37:34 Ubisoft's Uncertain Future

    39:17 EA's Strategic Moves

    45:28 Zelda Live Action Adaptation

    46:32 Eastern Games' Success in the West

    56:45 The Rise of Cozy Games

    01:02:02 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    21 November 2025, 7:01 am
  • 48 minutes 19 seconds
    311. How to Build an AI-First Culture with 1,300 People. Real Story.

    What if your company stopped chasing quarterly goals and spent an entire month training every employee on AI? That's exactly what AppsFlyer did, and it completely transformed how they approach innovation.

    In this episode, AppsFlyer down with Barak Witkovsky, Chief Product Officer of AppsFlyer, to discuss one of the boldest AI transformation experiments I've ever heard of.

    For four weeks, they paused regular business objectives and put all 1,300 employees through an AI builder course. Not on top of their work. AS their work.

    What We Cover:

    1. Why AppsFlyer stopped chasing OKRs to invest in AI education across the entire company

    2. How AppsFlyer's CEO and CPO learn about AI from their own employees (including marketers who know more than developers at other companies)

    3. How AppsFlyer evolved from a measurement platform into a modern marketing cloud with autonomous AI agents

    4. How do you get marketers to trust AI when they're deploying tens of millions in ad spend?

    5. Why AppsFlyer is betting on an open AI ecosystem with MCP and Agent Hub

    6. Are marketers becoming obsolete or are they about to become "bosses of agents"?

    7. Why executives are bullish on AI while directors and managers feel anxious (and what to do about it)

    Timestamps:

    00:00 AI Integration at AppsFlyer

    04:15 The ROI of AI Investments

    05:14 Evolution to a Modern Marketing Cloud

    16:30 Challenges of Omnichannel Measurement

    22:26 AI Agents in Marketing

    27:01 Becoming an AI-First Company

    31:29 The Role of AppsFlyer in the AI Ecosystem

    44:38 The Ultimate Growth Machine Vision

    47:18 Final Thoughts

    20 November 2025, 8:55 am
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