Jeff Sinclair, a senior global leader at McKinsey, discusses the history of operations at the firm. The firm was initially known as a strategy firm and did some organization and marketing work. However, in the 1980s, clients began to draw more attention to operations, particularly in the automotive industry in Europe and North America. Operations became a strategic function for automotive OEMs and part suppliers, as they needed to serve their customers with high quality, cost-effective, and operationally effective services.

Operations Practice at McKinsey

When Jeff joined the firm in 1981, there were about 500 people in the firm. Today, it is estimated that there are 40,000 people worldwide. The firm started building its operations capability in the 80s by recruiting people with specific functional expertise, particularly in manufacturing. They started hiring people from Toyota Supplier Support Center, and creating a well-defined career path within the firm, which is the specialist path or expert path. The operations practice was at the leading edge of other functional practices, such as marketing, market research, and organization. However, the firm had to create new career paths, which led to many iterations of the expert path. The firm had to continuously improve how it recognized and understood their contributions beyond the traditional generalist path.

Bureaucratic Maneuvering in Creating a Career Path

Jeff discusses the transition from a strong culture to multiple career paths within McKinsey. He explains that this change took about 18 years and was driven by the firm's strong culture and the willingness of senior partners in positions of power to help navigate the new path. As employees advanced in the firm, they had to develop relationships with senior executives, which led to ongoing opportunities to serve them. This made it difficult for experts to fit in and develop new service lines and ways of thinking about problem-solving. The firm struggled to recognize the contribution of subject matter expertise to their ability to serve clients and give them credit for developing new service lines and ways of helping clients execute more effectively. Experts were used on projects in a mixture of subject matter expertise, consulting  director roles, and full-time execution people. 

The Evolution of Consultants at McKinsey 

The firm gave some of the personnel role responsibility to the functional practices themselves, hiring lean manufacturing or supply chain experts into the practice. They would take over the personnel development role, evaluation of performance, counseling, and coaching on how to evolve these new career paths. Over time, the firm recognized the high value added contribution of functional practices and expanded its service to clients. While there is still a tension between generalist and specialist paths within McKinsey today, it has improved significantly. Bob Sternfels, the managing director of the firm, was a functional practice leader who recognized the level of contribution of functional practices and grew the career path within the firm.

McKinsey’s Expansion into other Industries

The firm's operations practice evolved from a dominant career path of the generalist partner to a more diverse range of ways of delivering value for clients. The firm initially faced resistance from some office leaders who believed that the new approach would lead to professional suicide. However, over time, the firm embraced the idea of having multiple functional practices, including the operations practice. In the 90s, McKinsey expanded its service to healthcare providers, which led to the growth of the operations practice. This led to the development of Lean principles, such as the Toyota Production System, which were applied in various industries, such as healthcare, consumer goods, and banking. These principles allowed the firm to create real value in areas where people didn't expect it. One example of this transformation is the expansion of the healthcare practice into other industries, such as consumer goods and banking. This allowed the firm to draw in functional expertise from other industries, such as manufacturing and supply chain management, which allowed them to create real value in these areas.

The McKinsey Impact 

Jeff talks about the impact of McKinsey's operations practice on various industries in America. McKinsey has contributed to changes in healthcare operating theaters and hospitals, and even hospitals that didn't work with McKinsey may have learned from their projects. Jeff emphasizes the importance of a partnership within the firm, as it takes many people to make things happen. He believes that McKinsey's strengths lie in its ability to nurture the capability to grow and work with industry practices to deliver functional capabilities to clients. 

The McKinsey Framework

The firm organized itself to develop partnerships with industry practices and work in the wholesale fashion, and working in the retail side of the firm for example. They continuously invested in new knowledge, both bringing in established knowledge and developing their own. They also worked on career paths and managed practices and enterprise, creating a four-part framework of client knowledge, people, and infrastructure to build a practice. This framework was explicitly managed through the 90s and 2000s to create functional practices as legitimate entities in parallel with offices and industry practices, ensuring co-equalization between industry practice and functional practice.

Building Manufacturing Capability

Jeff shares his experiences with building manufacturing capability in a company. He partnered with Felix Brooke to understand and codify the technical, management, and people leadership systems that drive performance transformation. This expanded to include processes in healthcare and banking. Jeff also discusses the importance of understanding the current state of operational capability in an organization and applying Lean thinking at the overall organizational culture and capability building level. Jeff also emphasizes the need to invest in understanding how to design the operating and management systems, train people, build capability, and use pilot projects to demonstrate their effectiveness.

Investment in Knowledge Project Work

The conversation turns to the firm's investment in knowledge project work, which includes research and application engineering. McKinsey excels at translating various theories into service delivery capability service lines for clients. The firm invests a significant amount every year, spending more than the top five business schools combined on research and development of new service lines. They sponsor projects across multiple functional practices, including operations practice, to take their current knowledge to the next level and serve clients more effectively.

Capability Building and Transformation

McKinsey has developed a network of model factories around the world for capability building and transformation in manufacturing operations. The model factories are physical locations where McKinsey teams can bring client people in and train them in a simulated environment. The firm recognized that training for capability building in many organizations was weak. They formed teams around the world to identify the modules that people need to learn, such as lean principles, rapid change over stamping operations, pull scheduling, and the Kanban methodology. They codified and made tangible the processes. Over time, they accumulated multiple projects and started building knowledge outside of the manufacturing operation. To provide client training, the firm built multiple factories around the world. The first model factory was started in Germany. These small model factories were 15 to 20,000 square feet with real operations within them. These models helped with client training. The model factories were designed to provide a realistic experience for clients and to help clients learn and adapt to the changing needs of their operations.

On Building a Practice

Jeff helped launch a practice that focused on understanding customer value and defining functional specifications. This practice, which involves working with companies to define customer value, translates these requirements into functional specifications, which then translates into technical specifications that translates into the work that is being done. The practice evolved from helping clients drive growth in a market with potential opportunities. Jeff learned how to do this by working with people who knew how to do things like functional discovery and functional specification development. This led to the development of various product development programs, including consumer products, high tech, and healthcare. The practice began in traditional industries like automotive, industrial, and electronics but expanded to areas like consumer products, high tech, and healthcare. 

Product Development Practice

In the product development practice, some classic project types include product platforming, product development roadmaps, and product teardown projects. These projects help identify market applicability, customer needs, and the platform that needs to be put in place to have a range of product capability. By understanding how to think about the platform from both a hardware and software point of view, the product development roadmap can be managed to get products to market faster, with each product being cheaper to produce and having a competitive price point. Jeff shares one example of a project that was involved in a major acquisition included doing a product platforming strategy and a product development roadmap. This helped identify the range of market applicability, customer needs, and the platform that needs to be put in place to maximize the amount of commonality across the product line. By understanding how to think about the platform from both a hardware and software point of view, the product development roadmap could be managed in a way that got the product to market faster. Jeff also talks about reverse engineering. 

Current Positions and Interests

Jeff has been teaching at the University of Michigan, focusing on business and customer discovery. He teaches engineers that their designs need to be able to meet customer needs and be willing to pay for them. He also works with undergraduates in a consulting class at the business school, helping them develop turnaround strategies for companies in the avionics business. Jeff is an adjunct faculty member and has been doing this for about a dozen years. He is also involved in a startup consulting effort with his son, who worked for a small boutique firm called Magnet, which focuses on serving smaller companies, and he is an investor in various small, private equity owned and startup companies.

Timestamps:

03:39: Building Operations Capability in the 1980s 

07:45: Challenges in Creating Career Paths for Experts 

09:55: Role of Experts in Projects 

12:10: Evolution of Career Paths in the 1990s 

17:10: Impact of Operations Practice on Industry Practices 

31:36: Knowledge Initiatives and Model Factories 

36:31: Product Development Practice 

43:34: Reverse Engineering Projects 

Links:

Company website: https://shorewaypartners.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-sinclair-87a7392b/

Michigan Ross: https://michiganross.umich.edu/faculty-research/faculty/jeff-sinclair

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Anne-Laure Le Cunff, author of Tiny Experiments and founder of Ness Labs, shares her approach to understanding her own life and why she does things the way she does. Anne-Laure explains that self anthropology is a powerful tool for problem-solvers and doers to understand their own lives and prioritize their priorities. By embracing uncertainty and turning it into curiosity, individuals can overcome procrastination and achieve more in their lives. She emphasizes the importance of self-anthropology in helping people become anthropologists of their own lives by observing themselves throughout their daily lives and asking themselves why they are doing things the way they do. This allows them to understand what is happening right now before planning for the future.

Overcoming Procrastination with Curiosity

One example of how self-anthropology can be applied to procrastination is by focusing on the problem with curiosity rather than trying to beat it. Procrastination is often seen as a signal from the brain and body that something is not working for you right now. By approaching procrastination from a place of curiosity, individuals can learn useful things from it. By identifying the problem, learning more about it, addressing it constructively, and seeking mentorship, coaching, and the right tools, individuals can design tasks in a more fun and enjoyable way. This approach allows individuals to move forward and get unstuck from the pressure to beat the problem. Anne-Laure explains that self-anthropology is a powerful tool for problem-solvers and doers to understand their own lives and prioritize their priorities. By embracing uncertainty and turning it into curiosity, individuals can overcome procrastination and achieve more in their lives.

A Framework for Overcoming Procrastination

The conversation turns to the effectiveness of a framework that treats procrastination with empathy, and overcoming procrastination by asking questions and experimenting with different approaches. This approach can be applied to various challenges, such as managing anger, managing health, and examining patterns in emotions and anxiety. Journaling is a great tool for reflecting on experiences and understanding the root causes of issues. Journaling is a mindfulness practice that allows for non-judgmental observation and self-anthropology. By taking notes about thoughts, emotions, and behavioral patterns, one can ask questions about why they happen, what could be different, and what new approaches or ideas could be explored. Regular reviews of journal entries can help identify patterns and changes in one's life, which can help in dealing with challenges in the present moment and providing material for future reflection.

Tiny Experiments and Atomic Habits

Anne-Laure discusses the concept of making PACTs and how they can be used in conjunction with habits. PACT stands for Purposeful, Actionable, Continuous, and Trackable and they work well with habits.  Atomic habits involve building habits by making tiny experiments with specific durations and outcomes. A tiny experiment is a type of PACT that involves choosing one action and a specific duration to collect data. The main difference between a tiny experiment and an atomic habit is that the experimenter withholds judgment until the data is collected, allowing them to decide if the habit is beneficial or not. The main difference between a tiny experiment and an atomic habit is that the experimenter withholds judgment until the data is collected. This allows them to determine if the habit is beneficial and if it is something they want to continue with in the future. Anne-Laure also discusses the importance of reflection in small experiments, as it helps individuals identify what they enjoy and what they should continue with.  Anne-Laure suggests aligning the data with the measures of success at the end. She suggests tracking internal and external signals, such as mood, heart rate variability, stress, or sleep score, and collecting quantitative data through journaling.

The Power of Learning in Public

Anne-Laure also emphasizes the importance of learning in public, such as announcing the experiment to others and building accountability. This can be done through social media, WhatsApp groups, or even with a few friends, or even just one accountability factor. She stresses remembering that dips in motivation are also important signals. If you notice procrastination or dreading, you can observe those responses and behaviors and try different things the next day. She explains how to keep going, noting any days where you missed it, and then trying something different the day after. If you find yourself bored or unable to stick with the experiment, you can either pause it and go back to designing a different version or consider that you have collected all the necessary data for one version. Additionally, success for an experiment is learned even if it is discarded, as it has allowed you to learn that it is not a direction you want to follow.

Greek Concepts of Time and a Shift in Perception

Anne-Laure Le Cunff discusses ancient Greek concepts of time, Chronos and Kairos. Chronos is the quantitative approach to time, where every minute is an identical box that needs to be filled efficiently. Kairos, on the other hand, is a qualitative approach that recognizes that time is elastic and each moment is unique and has a special quality. This approach is crucial in decision-making in daily life and work, as it embraces losing a sense of quantitative time, allowing deeper flow in projects. Anne-Laure goes on to talk about generativity, which is about focusing on the impact one can have today on others, rather than building something that will be forgotten after one or two generations. This approach aligns with an experimental mindset, as it allows for better understanding of what works and what doesn't, and allows for adjustments to be made in the present moment. She mentions her PhD research in ADHD and how it inspired her to adopt an experimental mindset and scientific method. She learned that success is not about getting to a specific destination but about learning something new. By applying this approach to her daily life and work, she noticed more progress without clinging to linear goals.

A Community for Curious Individuals

Ness Labs is an online community created by Anne-Laure. The community initially started as a newsletter, where she would translate concepts into practical applications for daily life. However, during the pandemic, people felt lonely and missed the opportunity to connect with others. Anne-Laure decided to create an online community for curious individuals who enjoyed discussing topics in her newsletter. The community allows anyone to host workshops, especially those still in the process of learning, and run Tiny Experiments together. During the pandemic, the community hosted events on various topics, such as meditation, creative collages, mental health, psychosis, psychedelics, and philosophical movements. The community also offered co-working sessions, guided creative exercises, and small experiments. Participants could create a log in the community, taking notes based on their experiments, and receive support from the community. The format includes a mix of Pomodoro sessions, intentions, and conversation, with participants sharing their progress and resources related to their projects. Anne-Laure shares a few examples of sessions and Tiny Experiments within the community and how she chose the design of the cover for her book

Timestamps:

03:30: Explaining Self-Anthropology 

05:40: Addressing Procrastination with Curiosity

10:38: Implementing Self-Anthropology in Journaling 

13:49: Introduction to PACTs (Productive and Curious Trials)

14:04: Collecting Data and Building Discipline for PACTs

23:38: Time Shift from Chronos to Kairos 

26:29: Focusing on Generativity Over Legacy

29:46: Influence of Academic Studies on the Book 

31:33: Introduction to Nest Labs 

36:22: Examples of Community Activities and Personal Experiments 

Links:

Book: TinyExperiments.org

Ness Labs website: https://nesslabs.com/

Anne-Laure Le Cunff website: https://anne-laure.net/

Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.

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In this episode of Unleashed, Will Bachman interviews Harsh Sahai, CEO and co-founder of Bridgetown Research, a company that has built an AI tool and he talks about it in this episode. Harsh previously worked at McKinsey, where he focused on commercial due diligence. He also ran a machine learning lab at Amazon, where they researched sequential decision-making algorithms. 

AI Pricing Algorithms and Convex Optimization

Harsh talks about his work at Amazon where main use cases were pricing products, as people tend to remember old prices and make decisions based on what they remember. For example, planning the sequence in which to launch products or introducing new shows on Prime Video could be done in a multi-step planning process. Harsh talks about his background in convex optimization, which is a mathematical model that can be used to represent various outcomes. Convex optimization is often used to model price versus volume, and it helps in making more sequential decisions for more than just pricing. 

Bridgetown Research Explained

On founding Bridgetown Research, many of Harsh’s former colleagues joined him in the mission to build tools for the consulting industry and more. Bridgetown Research developed a platform that automates data collection and analysis, allowing them to curate these analyses and deliver value to clients. The firm developed software products that can conduct interviews at scale at a fraction of the cost, run 300 common analyses, evaluate approximately 10 decisions, and work alongside clients to build interactive documents. The firm primarily serves investors in the software industry, similar to McKinsey due diligence.

Automating Consulting Groundwork

They use AI agents to conduct interviews, breaking down high-level questions into sub-questions that can be answered by the AI agents. The agents then map the best sources of data for each analyze, such as Gartner or Forrester, and compile secondary research. The AI agents are integrated with a few expert networks, which they recruit on the company’s behalf. They have a fully adaptive conversation, similar to a consultant's conversation, and then parse out the analysis to answer the main questions. The cost of these interviews is lower than a normal human-to-human interview because they can do it on their own schedule. Harsh also discusses the benefits of owning a research platform for consultants. They have researched this topic extensively and have 1000 interview transcripts of both people who hired a consultant and like consultants. The platform offers voice-based conversations, text prompts, and interactive screens for additional context.

Using AI Agents in Surveys

The AI agent in the discussion is similar to a traditional survey, but it allows users to answer questions directly on their screen. It can also embed multiple choice or ranked sorting questions, and can follow a different chain of questioning depending on the user's response. The agent constructs a hypothesis based on secondary research and uses adaptive questions to collect enough data to either prove or disprove these hypotheses. If it disproves the hypotheses, it goes back and looks at all transcripts to come up with new hypotheses and start collecting more data. One of the reasons for the cost efficiency is that, unlike regular surveys, the AI agent doesn't ask the exact same questions, reducing the length by about 20 to 25% once statistical conviction is reached. This flexibility allows for discounts from the person taking the interview, as it's extremely convenient for them.

Examples of AI Agent’s Responsiveness

The agent's responsiveness works by comparing the user's responses to previous answers, such as asking about the main reasons they chose a particular software versus another. The agent then moves on to the next question based on the user's response. Harsh offers a few examples and verifies that the agents have received positive feedback from experts who are willing to interact with the voice agent, but they also interviewed people with slightly different profiles than consultants at McKinsey.

More Information about the AI Tool

The AI tool used in this discussion is a work in progress that aims to provide insights into competitor archetypes and their strategies. It is designed to be more efficient than traditional human interviews, as it can gather data from mid-tenure professionals and frontline users closer to the business operations. This approach allows for a more comprehensive understanding of the business, reducing the need for frequent human interviews. The tool is fully scalable, allowing for 100 interviews in three days, which is the time it takes to recruit individuals rather than the time it takes to interview them. This allows for the creation of compelling projects within a week. Before the interview phase, the AI tool asks a set of questions and breaks them down into sub hypotheses. The tool then constructs sub questions to explain various factors, such as margins, go-to-market channel, and strategy. The tool is capable of explaining up to 200 different factors, making it a versatile tool for analyzing competitor archetypes. It can also provide examples of how to segment competitors and investigate their cost. The tool's output includes eight hypotheses, which can be investigated through secondary research or questionnaires.

Examples of the Tool at Work

The AI tool is largely a work in progress, with multiple steps taken to chase each hypotheses down. The team is working on improving the UI and UX to make the process more tractable. Harsh explains that the sentiment analysis workflow involves a series of custom trained machine learning models that perform various tasks to produce a final output. He gives the example of an agent searching Reddit posts, determining if they are positive, negative, or neutral, and extracting themes from positive quotes. The main model categorizes comments as positive or negative, extracts themes, and summarizes codes by themes. Harsh explains that there can be around 300 analyzes executed by a permutation of 40 fundamental tasks. Another example is analyzing the average case buying process, deviations from the buying process, and key factors considered in decision-making stages. The standard KPC analysis on the platform includes two fine-tuned models: one extracting mentions of keeper Chase criteria across the transcript, and other clustering words to represent different meanings. The third component counts the number of mentions by category, which is the relative importance metric for each key purchase criteria.

Research Completed Before the Interview Stage

The secondary research that the platform performs before the interview stage, such as creating lists of competitors, acquisitions, customers, and suppliers. The platform triggers secondary research by identifying areas of interest and providing cues to help users interact more smartly. For example, when creating a new interview, the platform can identify main competitor types and determine reliable domains for secondary analysis. The tool can create personas of people to chat with, based on their background, geography, work experience, roles, and competitor employees. The platform then generates an interview guide for each segment, which includes text, background checkpoints, and a series of questions for the interviewee to answer. Users can edit these questions or add more options. The platform also provides a multiple choice option for users to choose from blank solution providers. The platform also offers an estimate of how long it would take for the person to fill out the survey, allowing users to save time and edit questions. The platform then prepares a granular set of hypotheses for each question, breaking them down and collecting data to either prove or disprove them. This process is similar to machine learning, where the information provided by the respondent validates or invalidates the hypotheses.

The Future of AI Tools and Human Consultants

Harsh shows a more manual flow where users can have full control over each step and explains how it works. The role of human consultants in the future is becoming increasingly important as AI tools become more prevalent. Three main factors drive clients' assessments of a consultant's contribution: experience, expertise, authority, credibility, and connections across the organization. These factors are fundamentally human and hard to replace. The tasks of early and mid-term consultants will shift from writing interview guides or conducting interviews to using AI tools or competitors. They will need to master these tools and learn how to review, approve, or edit the interview guide, synthesize the results, and make judgments about the quality of the results. 

Bridgetown Research and the AI Tool

The main business for the tool is providing customized versions of the tool to clients, catering to their specific analysis needs. However, there is a long wait list for users of the common platform, and one of the goals for 2025 is to onboard small to mid-sized consulting firms to use the product hosted by the firm without modification and see if they like it. Private equity investors are using Bridgetown Research's tool to conduct their own research, generating results directly without hiring consultants. The tool is cost-effective and provides a 60-70% answer without much effort. Investors typically hire consulting firms when they have a high degree of conviction to invest, but they are now using the platform for any deal they come across. The marginal cost is practically zero, making it a rational choice to use the platform for early stages of the deal pipeline. The platform is also available for use with investment professionals, consultants, and other professional services.

Timestamps:

04:17: Explanation of Convex Optimization 

06:53: Overview of Bridgetown Research's Platform 

09:06: Details of AI Interview Process

13:59: Examples of AI Interview Questions and Responses

19:51: Feedback and Adoption of AI Interviews 

23:22: Secondary Research and Hypothesis Generation

28:08: Examples of AI-Generated Analyzes 

40:26: Customization and Integration with Client Data 

Links:

Website: https://www.bridgetownresearch.org/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bridgetownresearch/?originalSubdomain=ca

Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.

Show Notes:

Jim Ettamarna, a renowned expert in commercial excellence, defines it as incorporating commercial efficacy and efficiency. He believes that there are two key branches to drive down in this area, and it holds tremendous potential for clients and organizations. Jim's framework for commercial excellence is value creation, which involves understanding market demand, go-to- market models, market growth, and demand trends with a focus on each specific industry.

A Six Sigma Lean Framework

Jim uses a lean framework, starting with Six Sigma, to standardize the right work and ensure associates and employees are conducting the right activities and behaviors. He also emphasizes the importance of systems in psychology in commercial results, as it helps design standardized systems for onboarding talent, enhancing team engagement, and engaging with customers. In sales, motivation is crucial, and the human element of having a team is essential. However, dealing with complex buying processes can be challenging, so it is essential to tune processes and approaches to the specific needs of the customers.

A Go-to-market Model

The go-to-market model is a linkage between strategy and execution and commercial excellence. It should be tuned for the company's strategy and the strategic context. For example, a $300 million middle market private equity-backed company serving the Durable Medical Equipment market that sold to 5,000 independent organizations and specialty retailers. The company had to strategically think through market growth, accounts to capture, and the buying cycle for customers. To drive efficiency and effectiveness, the company had a set of building blocks, including an online component, independent sales reps, an inside sales team, and specialty sales people. The strategy piece involved determining what would drive value, growth, renewals, base volumes, and pricing. The go-to-market model was designed around these building blocks, and commercial excellence was driven by optimizing these aspects.

Components of Commercial Excellence

Jim discusses the importance of breaking down commercial excellence into various components, including channels, sales operations, content, and management systems. He emphasizes the need for segmentation at the top level to understand what will drive value and optimize the go-to-market model for the business. Within this model, he suggests ways to optimize each element, such as sales enablement, which includes training, scripts, and engagement strategies. He also emphasizes the importance of benchmarking and understanding the nuances of sales teams. He shares an example of a furniture retailer where he worked with 2500 full-time employees and 1000 part-time employees. The performance of the company was analyzed using Pareto curves, but some outliers were more successful than averages. To replicate these outliers, he spent time in the field with the best sellers and identified their backgrounds and profiles. He also highlights the importance of identifying B+ and A minus players and setting them as standards. The A plus players are often unique individuals that can be difficult to replicate, but they can still learn from them. Segmentation is crucial in understanding customer nuances.

Value Mapping and Needs-based Segmentation

In the past, value mapping and needs-based segmentation were crucial for designing sales teams and engaging with customers. This was particularly important when selling software into hospital systems, where hospitals may make localized decisions or have a system or GPO that drives these decisions. The CIO or clinical or nursing professional may specify the solution, and the CIO and finance will negotiate it. Jim cites a case where a big client involved segmenting the market and designing selling approaches based on how customers operated and how they bought. This involved investing in customer success research, conducting field interviews, and conducting surveys to understand their usage of the product. The consultant rolled out five archetypes and profiles for four segments, which were then rolled into product development and product teams. Different teams focused on different segments, such as geographic, size, SMB, or enterprise, and focusing on needs-based and purchasing behavior-based segmentation. The go-to-market model was designed around these archetypes, with territory design considering geographic, size, SMB, or enterprise boundaries. There is no right or wrong answer to this, but it is essential to consider these factors when designing the go-to-market model. This approach helps to understand the value in use and what drives value for customers.

Diagnostics and Metrics

The conversation turns to commercial excellence in organizations, particularly in B2B industrial or SaaS sectors. Jim emphasizes the need for a diagnostic assessment to understand opportunities and challenges. A diagnostic should focus on input and output metrics, such as sales reps' success, territories, and numbers. He suggests that data from sales operations and rev ops can be used to conduct quick diagnostics. Additionally, examining spreads and distributions to identify right spots and dark spots, which are indicators of opportunities and challenges. For example, he could work with a labeling client and identify bright spots where individuals were selling unique markets and promoting innovative products. These best practices could be disseminated among the team. A diagnostic should involve analytics, cost, interviews with sales people, and customer visits to gather customer feedback. The goal is to identify three to five things that can be done to achieve commercial excellence. Jim also offers tips on how to work with the sales department. 

The Role of a Sales Playbook in Commercial Excellence

Jim talks about the importance of rolling out a sales playbook and its role in commercial excellence. He shares an example of a software company that he helped develop a sales playbook for, which focused on making standard work and minimizing waste. The company had three different sales processes, and they trained employees on territory management, account management, and prospecting. They created a set of 10 difference makers based on actual activities performed by the best people, which were rolled out in a fun, gamified way to encourage adoption and recognition. Some of the key difference markers included prospecting, owning territory, and using Salesforce to drive compliance. 

Metrics to Monitor in Sales

Jim mentions the importance of having the right input and output metrics, such as the number of meaningful meetings and demonstrations per week, to ensure the right outbound results. By tracking these metrics, the sales team can make necessary adjustments to improve their performance and drive more profitable deals. To drive results in sales, Jim highlights metrics such as deal size, velocity, win rates, attachment, cross, sell, and upsell. He also emphasizes the importance of driving customer success and retention. He mentions that, in one case, key initiatives were displayed at the office, allowing for a competitive dynamic. The metrics were then distilled down to the board, with some metrics for frontline commercial team members and others for the board pack. The goal was to turn the dial on sales enablement, resulting in better win rates and accelerated funnel velocity. Jim also highlights the importance of gamification, making it fun, and rewards to encourage employees to work harder and drive competitive juices. 

Timestamps:

01:32: Value Creation Framework 

04:18: Go-to-Market Model 

07:24: Tangible Elements of Commercial Excellence 

11:10: Segmentation and Customer Nuances

14:18: Practical Segmentation Approach 

18:18: Diagnostic Approach to Commercial Excellence 

24:04: Sales Playbook and Metrics 

29:50: Customer Success and Competitive Dynamics

Links:

Company website: https://www.suttongrowth.com/

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/jimettamarna

Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.

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In this episode of Unleashed, Will Bachman interviews Bart Sayer, an expert on the beauty industry. Bart worked for nine years at the Estée Lauder Companies, most recently as the International General Manager for one of its largest brands, Clinique, managing the $1B P&L. Previously, Bart was a partner at Booz & Company (now Strategy&, part of PwC), focused on strategy and commercial transformation in the Consumer & Retail sectors. The conversation focuses on understanding the structure of the beauty market and the main drivers of value creation.

The Beauty Industry Explained

Bart explains that the beauty industry is divided into four main categories: skincare, makeup, hair, care, and body. The market is divided into luxury and mass segments, with luxury beauty expected to grow between six and 8% in the foreseeable future. Taking the example of the United States, mass brands are more likely to be found in drugstores, such as Walgreens and CVs. Premium brands are more available in department stores or specialty multi, such as Sephora and Ulta, and a third channel being direct to consumer. At Estee Lauder they believed that distribution defines your equity, so prestige brands are careful about where they appear, hence the careful consideration and strict conditions associated with entering a channel like Amazon. Looking beyond the NA market, Travel Retail has been an important growth vehicle for luxury beauty brands over the past decade, though this growth has tempered in the past few years. Future growth of the beauty industry will remain defined by its two largest markets, the United States and China, while up-and-coming middle market countries will also represent attractive opportunities (e.g., India, Mexico, Brazil).

Manufacturing, Testing and Ingredients

The ingredients in mass and prestige products can differ in terms of the scarcity or rarity of the actives, including use of proprietary ingredients and formulations. Formulation philosophies vary widely across different entities. Many brands, for example, put extra protections in place to ensure product safety for sensitive skin and/or to conduct rigorous allergy testing. Bart discusses the importance of clinical testing in product and research development, highlighting that it is a high barrier to entry for indie brands. He also discusses the evolution of more nimble production models, including the prevalence of contract manufacturers that can manufacture the latest ingredients and bespoke formulations in quicker and more cost-effective ways than many of the brands themselves. This approach is not binary, as L'Oreal has over 40 different manufacturing facilities worldwide. Before leaving the manufacturing discussion, Bart quickly hit upon another topic, that of the evolution to more earned media-led marketing models, whereby companies seize organic market buzz before amplifying these messages with paid media.

Local vs. Global Adaptation

The concept of local versus global adaptation is crucial in the beauty industry. Brands must find a locally relevant articulation of their brand essence. Large media companies often have global ambassadors who can speak for the brand, but if a local face is not available, the brand may not get the traction needed. To succeed, brands must be more reactive to local market trends, deploying local influencers, tailored messaging and selecting locally relevant forums for generating PR, both online and offline.

Indie and Newer Brands

The conversation turned to the shift towards indie and newer brands in the beauty retail industry. The reasons behind the growth of the indies include lower barriers to entry on social media channels, an agile marketing model, the wide availability of contract manufacturers, and channel partners like Sephora that are focused on curating exclusive collections of the next “it” beauty brands. Often for these indie brands, the problem is not the launch itself (recruitment), but the stickiness (retention). Many of these companies struggle with repeat purchases, which are the key to success.

Sales and Distribution in the Beauty Industry

Bart discussed several high growth channels, including Sephora, a leading premium beauty retailer owned by the LVMH group, travel retailer and beauty e-tailers such as Zalando and Notino. Traditional points of distribution, such as department stores and perfumeries, have seen slower growth, especially in the West (and far less so in the East). Whatever the channel, the importance of constructing good “self-navigating experience” for prestige consumers is key. Across many of these newer retailers, clean beauty is a key theme, as is green and sustainable, free of parabens, sulfates, certain ingredients and fragrances. This raises the bar for brands to prove their bona fides in terms of ingredient publishing and sourcing. The conversation then pivoted to challenges in the supply chain, including shelf life of products (especially for consumers in the East) and SKU proliferation.

Demand Forecasting

Robust demand forecasting is crucial for brands to succeed to avoid out-of-stock situations and, conversely, the proliferation of excess. This can be particularly problematic when trying to create buzz and excitement with limited edition collections such as those sold over the holidays. Given profit, brand equity and sustainability concerns, rands have increasingly tried to err on the side of caution in their forecasts (FOMO). SKU periphery proliferation is another issue that brands are constantly fighting, seeking a balance between getting new out there while staying consistent and building out their portfolio.

Store Design and Staffing Models

In department stores, cosmetics brands often have significant control over the design of their stores, including all signage, key visuals and other elements of visual merchandising (e.g., gondola design, planogram setup). Done correctly, these can be huge differentiators. Unsurprisingly, prestige beauty brands have armies of store design, visual merchandising and staff (beauty advisor) education teams. Cost sharing with retail partners – CAPEX, staffing, promo – vary by channel and partner, thus representing a critical point in commercial negotiations (along with other topics like trade margin).

The Lucrative Nature of the Beauty Industry 

The cosmetics industry is a highly lucrative business with operating profits ranging from 10 to 25%. Gross margins can be 65% or more, depending on the brand and the type of product. Highest gross margin categories include skincare and luxury fragrances. However, there is no room for complacency, with many waging a constant war to lower the cost of goods through a combination of gross to net improvements, price increases, mix optimization, promo efficiencies and, of course, manufacturing savings. A hero-product focus is needed to get scale, thus providing ballast for marketing investments. Premiumization trade trends are continuing across categories and subcategories, with no sign of these trends abating.

 Timestamps:

03:30: Structure of the Cosmetics Industry and Market Segments

05:26: Specialty Channels and Distribution Strategies 

07:58: Differences Between Mass and Prestige Brands

10:06: Analyzing the Cosmetics Industry: Product and Research Development 

13:44: Marketing and Consumer Insights

18:33: Sales and Distribution Channels

22:49: Operations and Supply Chain 

31:57: Gross Margin Analysis and Financial Performance 

Website Links:

#1, Beauty Market Outlook:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/consumer-packaged-goods/our-insights/the-beauty-boom-and-beyond-can-the-industry-maintain-its-growth

#2, FDA Regulations of Cosmetics:

https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-science-research/product-testing-cosmetics

#3, Risk of Indie Beauty Brands:

https://cosmeticsbusiness.com/how-indie-beauty-brands-can-break-america#:~:text=Indie%20brands%20are%20greatly%20influencing,and%20most%20likely%20through%202025.

#4, Beauty and Travel Retail:

https://wwd.com/beauty-industry-news/beauty-features/tackling-beautys-travel-retail-conundrum-estee-lauder-loreal-clarins-bulgari-dfs-heinemann-1236682262/

#5, Green Beauty:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/meimeifox/2023/12/22/green-glamour-12-clean-beauty-brands-leading-the-eco-revolution/

#6, Beauty & Supply Chain Challenges:

https://www.voguebusiness.com/beauty/new-ingredients-higher-prices-reformulating-beauty-in-the-supply-crisis

#7, QVC and Beauty:

https://entm.ag/1wEfOci

#8, Love, Indus (company referenced by Will and I during the discussion):

https://loveindus.com/collections/shop?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkJO8BhCGARIsAMkswyiVNdA36DRltbku4DqHeLj-dAbZxAfsVOWmkyEP6Ah9bsxaNi3L4g4aAqP4EALw_wcB

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Rob Garmaise, VP of AI research at Info-tech Research Group, is at the forefront of Info-tech research, helping clients identify best practices across their IT operations. They conduct extensive primary and secondary research, speaking with industry experts and other clients to understand the drivers of value and proof that a given practice leads to better results.

AI Vendors, Verticals, and Research Taxonomy

Rob explains that the firm has a vast research taxonomy, with AI being an important part of it. They have a team in place to connect with thought-leading vendors and their leading adopter clients to gather insights on various functions, rules, verticals, and sub-segments where AI is taking root. The strength in the marketplace currently lies in the horizontal focus on functions and roles across organizations rather than the various verticals or lines of business. Most AI vendors aim to maximize their total addressable market which is difficult to do when focusing on just one vertical.

The Market and Vertically-orientated Competitors

Rob predicts that the mix of vertically-oriented competitors will change as the market evolves. Currently, the strength is 80% on functions and roles, 20% on verticals. This approach allows AI vendors to maximize their total addressable market and stay competitive in the market.

In this discussion, Rob discusses the implementation of AI solutions in various functions and roles within companies, including IT. He highlights the strengths in CO generation, data and analytics, service management, HR, sales, and marketing.

AI in HR, Sales and Marketing, and Operations

In HR, AI is being used to improve employee experience by indexing content and interacting with users. Talent acquisition recruiting uses AI on both sides of the recruiting equation, with AI being  used in talent assessment, helping to cut through biases and improve diverse hiring. Sales enablement and sales automation tools are the top lead and revenue-driving categories, while customer experience is the top cost-saving category. Operations are also being explored, with AI parsing information captured from video cameras for various applications such as shop floor settings, retail environments, and restaurants. Natural language conversations with equipment can lead to predictive maintenance, allowing organizations to strategize and optimize operations. Robert goes on to explain more about the improvements made using AI in HR, IT, and sales and management.

AI-based Solutions in the Retail and Insurance Industry

The conversation turns to the use of AI in various industries, including retail, and insurance. In the retail industry, AI-based solutions have impressed with their ability to scan store shelves with smartphones and receive critical metrics like stock availability, pricing, promotion, and competitor positioning. Smart Digital Signage solutions can also be used to adapt to demographics and reactions of customers. In the insurance industry, AI-based solutions include smart digital signage that can adapt to demographics and react to customer reactions. In the insurance industry, AI-based solutions include smart digital signage that can adapt to different demographics and respond to customer needs. Companies are exploring AI solutions to improve employee experience, sales, and marketing, while also focusing on cost-saving and predictive maintenance strategies. Robert discusses the potential benefits of AI in retail, such as real-time reactions to client information, and automated stock out detection.

AI in the Legal and Financial Sectors

In the legal sector, AI is being used for various purposes, including legal research, contract review, and contract management. This is particularly important for law firms and organizations with understaffed legal teams. In manufacturing, AI is being used to offer real-time instructions to machine line operators. Rob talks about disappointments in areas like financial services, healthcare, and government. In financial services, AI is being used for fraud detection, digital trust, and remote inspections. In insurance, AI can parse frequent documents into well-constructed spreadsheets or databases, and can conduct remote inspections. Rob also points out areas of disappointment. 

Advice on Adopting AI 

The conversation turns to the trend of AI being bought rather than built, particularly in the context of AI models. AI should be bought unless a build is absolutely necessary. The build side involves more uncertain investment levels and lead times, as it can lead to app sprawl and uncertainty in the market. Companies are advised to be deliberate about their build decisions, especially when it comes to AI models. On the talent side, companies are hiring new types of Chief AI officers or existing employees, such as Chief Digital Officers, Chief Technology Officers, and Chief Information Officers. These individuals are often left in charge of driving AI forward, but they may not have the necessary skills for building a new and unique model. On the build side, companies may need additional data scientists and data modelers, which can be challenging to achieve. On the consulting side, there is a growing trend of companies using top strategy firms on multiple AI projects. While most clients are still trying to orient themselves, consulting firms can help direct them towards buy-side scenarios where a POC or two can be done without a large implementation. Rob also touches on the importance of understanding the market and the potential benefits of AI solutions.

Timestamps:

03:40: AI Market Insights and Research Methodology 

05:28: Practical AI Applications in IT and Service Management

06:53: AI in HR and Talent Management 

08:11: AI in Sales and Marketing 

09:43: AI in Operations and Predictive Maintenance 

11:31: AI in Retail and Supply Chain 

14:49: AI in Legal and Manufacturing 

17:55: Trends in AI Adoption and Talent Management

22:30: Consulting and AI Marketplace

Links:

Website: https://www.infotech.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InfoTechRG

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Show Notes:

Marilyn Lin, a customer support thought leader with over two decades of experience, discusses the importance of customer support in driving business success in the Software as a Service (SaaS) industry. She has led global Technical Support Teams that not only resolve issues but also foster customer loyalty, drive renewals, and inform product strategies. In today's competitive SaaS landscape, customer support is not just a cost center but a linchpin of retention and growth.

Customer Support in the SaaS Industry

The conversation turns to the different terms for customer support, such as customer support, customer service, customer care, and customer success. Marilyn identifies the difference between terms. She equates customer success to the team focused on the health of a customer, focusing on how they are leveraging and using the product and solution, realizing value from their investments. They are more akin to the account management side of the organization, taking care to understand the customer's top priorities and helping guide them through leveraging and using the solution and products they have purchased or subscribed to. She explains that customer support and customer service are terms used interchangeably to describe the teams that help customers resolve issues with using their products or services. In B-to-B environments, customer support are more technical support teams, while customer care and customer service is more tactical and often describe teams within B-to-C environments.

Subcategories within Customer Support

There are different subcategories within customer support, such as onboarding teams, which help new B2B customers onboard with a SaaS company. Major functions  tied to customer support include customer training and onboarding, customer delivery teams, and customer escalation teams. The support delivery team handles cases and interacts with end users, helping them find solutions to their issues. A customer escalation team is involved when customers escalate issues or outages, ensuring timely resolution. Marilyn explains that historically, customer support organizations have been seen as reactive and cost centers rather than a strategic arm. However, there is a treasure trove of insights from the interactions with end users, which can be used to drive improvements in the product and solution. This information can feed into the product development cycle, helping product and engineering teams prioritize their roadmaps and drive the voice of the customer. Support teams can also provide insights related to training and enablement, usability, and user experience, which can be shared with the enablement and design teams.

The Importance of Customer Support in Business

The importance of customer support in a business is discussed, including the need for analytics to understand the impact of the customer support team and how that ties back to customer retention rates. A high retention rate can lead to increased value and a better brand image. Marilyn talks about key metrics she pays attention to as VP of customer support, including the importance of understanding the time to resolution, common themes of issues, and the financial impact of these metrics is mentioned. In a recurring revenue environment, it is crucial to highlight top case drivers or issues tied back to the customers and provide the ARR to the executive team. The need to prioritize areas like product bug fixes or feature enhancements is stressed, and the cost to serve customers, breaking it down by segments and regions to better understand customer needs and improve efficiency. By focusing on these metrics, businesses can better serve their B2B customers and drive more value. Examples are shared.

Tracking Trends and Changes in the Support Business

In a VP of Customer Support role, key metrics include time to resolve issues, first time to resolve, and the ability to address user issues with the first interaction. Additionally, the team and individual level is monitored to identify areas for improvement. Employee engagement is a key focus, with companies conducting quarterly or twice a year employee satisfaction surveys. The focus is on analyzing trends and identifying high priority areas for improvement. In a support organization, it is crucial to prioritize employee experience, provide the right tools and processes, and listen to employee feedback. Support leaders should prioritize their team's well-being, as it translates into better customer service and interaction. By taking care of their employees, support leaders can improve their overall customer experience.

Evaluating a SaaS Company’s Customer Support

In evaluating a SaaS company, it is essential to consider whether the support organization has a strategic roadmap outlining their vision and quarterly milestones. This roadmap should evolve as business objectives and priorities change. A more holistic view of investments should be considered, not just focusing on key metrics. Marilyn suggests that organizations should give their team the support to take time to step back and look for ways to make things more efficient, such as creating knowledge articles based on interactions to prevent customers from having to log cases. Training and enablement should be provided for employees to continue learning and grow.

AI Customer Support Solutions

AI solutions are being evaluated and implemented by support organizations to enhance customer service. Marilyn led the first support team at Salesforce  to leverage AI and machine learning within their support processes, using SupportLogic. The app helped identify potential cases that would escalate, allowing managers and teams to be aware of potential cases and provide timely resolutions to end users.

The SupportLogic app has improved the way managers manage their teams and assigned cases to the right agents with the right knowledge and experience to handle unresolved cases more efficiently. This has led to improvements in the way managers manage their teams and elevating the customer experience provided by their support agents.

Timestamps:

03:40: Defining Key Customer Service Terms 

07:47: Classification of Customer Service Roles 

10:22: Transforming Customer Support from a Cost Center to a Revenue Driver 

13:00: Metrics and KPIs for Customer Support 

18:00: War Stories and Practical Examples 

21:48: Daily, Weekly, and Monthly Metrics for VP of Customer Service 

25:44: Evaluating Customer Service in SaaS Companies

29:07: Implementation of AI in Customer Service 

Links: 

Resource: https://umbrex.com/resources/how-to-analyze-a-saas-company/

Website: Golotusgroup.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilynlin/

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Show Notes:

Scott Markman, founder of MonogramGroup, discusses his journey as an entrepreneur and the challenges he faces in the private equity sector. Scott kicks off the conversation with a quick introduction to his podcast, "Beer Stories for Private Equity," which focuses on issues related to the firms, companies they own, and consultants. 

About the Agency

Scott founded the agency, MonogramGroup, in 1990. The agency has evolved from a design firm to a full-fledged agency, with a focus on brand expertise and deliverables. Services include research, insights, positioning strategy, ideation around who or what is a brand today versus tomorrow, building out content, and creating a reservoir of assets. They also address the complexity of audiences, competitors, and going to market. For example, Starbucks has a single brand but must address specific needs for consumers, employees, coffee growers, Wall Street, and social media audiences. Scott talks about the agency’s work and how they serve their market. 

Defining Brand

Scott defines brand as two things: the DNA of an organization, which is connected to the ‘why’ of an organization, relating to Simon Sinek’s definition of a company’s mission, which should connect to all aspects of the brand. The second is that the brand is the everything and Scott explains how this ties to all aspects of the company. This approach has been successful for them serving large global brands for about 20 years, including Life Fitness, Mintel and Sensata, the world's largest maker of sensors for vehicles.

A Focus on Private Equity and a New Brand

The agency’s focus turned to private equity firms when Scott was introduced to the sector in 1996. They created a brand called Antares Capital, which is the largest provider of credit to PE middle market deals. The success of this brand earned recognition across the private equity sector in North America. The practice has since grown to include 90 clients, and over this period, they have interviewed investment bankers, representatives, institutional capital, pension funds, foundations, insurance companies, hired CEOs, founders, and sellers of businesses to private equity, which has given them in-depth knowledge in this field. Among agencies, there is typically a competitive conflict issue where working for two competitive companies is not allowed. 

The Role of Branding in Private Equity Firms

The conversation turns to the role of branding in private equity firms (PE firms) and their portfolio companies. Scott explains that the business model is to get gigs with PE firms or lenders, but now it is secondary to engagements with portfolio companies. The primary goal is to create relationships with PE firms, building trust and proving themselves. He also discusses the concept of differentiating between PE firms and portfolio companies. Private equity firms are pattern recognizers, template driven, and risk-averse, making them more likely to follow similar practices unlike venture capital. Scott talks about developing distinctive messaging and differentiation for private equity firms when there is a proliferation of thousands of firms following the same patterns in branding. Private equity firms can be categorized into three levels: top, middle, and lower middle market. Scott offers examples of each level and where his agency has served clients and why they focus on serving the lower-middle market.

The Diagnostic Guide to Branding

Scott talks about Umbrex's diagnostic guide to branding, which is a comprehensive document on the subject matter. He talks about categories within the framework which are a great way to rate a brand on sub-topic factors such as brand strategy, communication, marketing, and customer experience. Scott suggests that this framework could be applied to look at levels A, B, C, and D of complexity and rigor, and then compress and streamline it into a degree of detail and actionability commensurate with the company's size and future goals. For example, if a consultant or small consulting firm is asked to analyze a 30-page deck of data points, they could apply this framework to their clients and present it in a more concise and actionable manner. The major categories of brand strategy in the diagnostic guide include overall, communication, marketing, customer experience, and corporate responsibility. Each sub area has 28 slides with a maturity model to rate it from nascent to optimized. This resource is designed to allow users to draw from relevant slides for various aspects of a company's branding, such as communication function and/or brand positioning.

A Discussion on Brand Architecture

Scott shares information from a document developed in response to a PE firm client who wanted to build a master brand from four foundational companies, and one from a company that had a foundational brand with several add-ons and needed a unified brand. Scott’s agency developed their own four buckets: brand architecture factors, assets and sophistication of the brands, business factors, and PE firm factors. Scott states that private equity firms have a daily focus on priority and responsibility, which can make it difficult for them to prioritize the brand over other aspects. He explains that the firm's branding diagnostic involves two main processes: an in-person information gathering and whiteboarding session with all the leaders, and a detailed set of Zoom interviews. They look for interaction, behavior, responses to questions, and the physical environment of the room. This qualitative approach is important for understanding the design of a space and identifying what other people want. The firm also conducts detailed Zoom interviews with external audiences, customers, channel partners, and suppliers. In summary, MonogramGroup offers a comprehensive branding assessment process that includes in-person meetings, detailed interviews, and external research. Their approach is based on observation, creativity, and a thorough understanding of the organization's brand.

Timestamps:

04:01: MonogramGroup's Services and Evolution

09:13: Clientele and Focus on Private Equity 

20:30: Challenges and Opportunities in Branding Private Equity Firms 

28:16: Feedback on Umbrex Diagnostic Guide to Branding

37:20: MonogramGroup's Branding Framework

44:34: Due Diligence and Research Process 

Links:

Brand Guide: https://umbrex.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Brand-Factors-Guide-for-Portcos_MonogramGroup.pdf

MonogramGroup website:   https://www.monogramgroup.com/

The Umbrex Diagnostic Guide to Branding: https://umbrex.com/resources/branding-diagnostic/

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Show Notes:

Matthew Hunt talks about Demandii, a firm that helps busy B2B executives create snackable content for LinkedIn from a single monthly interview. Matthew explains that most clients struggle with time, and they don't know how to create content or want to do it. Demandii offers a structured approach where they interview executives privately, turn their one-hour interview into 40 hours of content in a variety of formats. They then work on it until they are satisfied, and syndicate it across social media, focusing on LinkedIn.

Demandii Customers 

The types of customers for Demandii include CEOs, founders, SAS owners, consultants, and small businesses selling high-ticket items. They help them create various formats of content, such as videos, audio grams, text pieces, and graphic or image pieces. The most impactful content for clients is usually video-based, as people can consume the whole view, see, hear, and feel the content, attracting their tribe. Demandii's primary channel is LinkedIn, as most B2B executives want to be known and seen.

The ACES Method for Content Creation

Matthew discusses the ACES method for creating content for an audience. The ACES method consists of three core pillars: Authority, Content, Connect, and Engagement. Authority refers to the knowledge and expertise of an expert in a specific field, such as marketing, SEO, or digital PR. Content should be engaging, heartfelt, and relatable to the audience. Engagement is achieved through asking probing questions or starting conversations on social media. S stands for Show and covers showing content, which includes behind-the-scenes stories and achievements, is also important. 

The 100-foot View Explained

The 100-foot view involves creating content that is interesting, compelling, helpful, and that the author will be proud of. The best content creators are good coaches and teachers, and to engage your audience, Matt suggests thinking about a problem the audience has and leading with that. He then states that the content should also agitate the customer by discussing the negative consequences of not solving the problem. This helps the audience recognize that the problem is not their fault and encourages them to resolve it. Matt shares the formula for the above content tactic. The formula for creating content is P, A, S. The formula stands for people plus problem, A is agitate plus absolve, and S is sell with a story or show how you solve the problem. This approach will create content that is helpful and that the author is proud of.

The B2B LinkedIn Demand Generation Course

In this discussion, Matthew Hunt discusses his B2B LinkedIn course and offers three options for clients: do-it-yourself, done-with-you, and done-for-you. The do-it-yourself course is free and can be completed by busy individuals or those with a team. Done-for-you involves marketing, creating lead magnets, and conducting LinkedIn events to generate inbound interest. The cost of these programs varies depending on the budget. Additional services and content in courses offered by Matthew include creating lead magnets and creating LinkedIn ads. He also offers marketing collateral that makes ideal customers instantly better or more awesome in 10 minutes or less. He talks about targeting large B2B businesses, such as CMOs at manufacturing companies with revenues of 10 million to 100 million, through LinkedIn. The goal is not to sell them, but to push them to long-form content, where they build demand and trust with people. He can create LinkedIn events that resemble interviews or webinars, aiming to position the host as a strategic advisor.

The Importance of LinkedIn Events

Matthew discusses the importance of LinkedIn events and their effectiveness. He recommends running at least one event every two months, with a minimum of four weeks for promotion. The length of an event depends on who you're selling to, with C suite individuals typically having a 15-minute event. For lower-level executives, events should be 30-to-an hour long. To ensure success, it's important to follow up with attendees via the LinkedIn DMS, as decision makers often watch replays. The best time for events is Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, with Tuesday being the preferred day. When people are winning the week, they are more likely to attend the event, while when they're not, they may choose something else.

Team Building Events

Matthew also recommends using events for team-building, such as panel discussions or interviews with team members. Panels can be structured and can be used to create short content for company pages and showcase long-form content. If you sell a tool, it's essential to show your tool. If you don't have a team, it's best to focus on yourself. For customer interviews, you can use eco-bake works. The order of doing events depends on the complexity and difficulty of the process. You can control your time and message more easily, but it's difficult to control your team's and clients' time. Matt explains that LinkedIn events are a valuable tool for businesses to engage with their audience and drive business growth. It's essential to promote events effectively, maintain a consistent schedule, and focus on personal growth to maximize the impact of these events.

Updating LinkedIn Profiles

Matthew discusses the importance of updating LinkedIn profiles for clients. He explains that less than two or 3% of people who view content will return to the profile page, but it's crucial to have an optimized page. To optimize the profile, Hunt suggests having a great profile photo, a headline that accurately represents your brand and how you help, and a header image that quickly articulates your help and brand feeling. The bio should be written in first person, as it allows you to sell results you've driven for others. The featured section should be used with intention to get more clicks back to your work. The career section should include case studies and testimonials, and recommendations should be given from the current year. Regular practice is recommended to get regular recommendations, as it's social proof when other people can see that you have helped people like them. Matthew also emphasizes the importance of having a strong LinkedIn presence, as less than two or 3% of people will return to the profile page once they're considering doing business with you. He mentions tools that can be used to test the impact of your profile photograph.

The Impact of Recommendations

Matthew discusses the impact of recommendations on the buying cycle and their impact on job opportunities. He suggests that recommendations can make it easier for people to confirm their skills and qualifications. He encourages everyone to do this, even employees, as it makes it easier to get hired. He believes that coaching and teaching can lead to more interesting and compelling work, rather than just selling or showing off. He also mentions that anyone can sign up for his do-it-yourself course or explore his services on DemandingDotcom, which offers a variety of resources and resources. The focus is on providing value and making the hiring process more enjoyable.

Timestamps:

00:02: Introduction to Demandii and Its Services

03:32: Types of Content Created and Their Impact 

10:13: Course Offerings and Pricing 

11:34: Lead Magnets and LinkedIn Events 

18:38: Optimizing LinkedIn Profiles 

24:08: Final Thoughts and Contact Information 

Links:

Website: https://img.newoldstamp.com/r/607910/w

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Show Notes:

River Tompkins, a 17-year-old high school senior, started his own consulting practice in Austin, Texas, with five different clients. He provides services in the experimental education space, helping school owners implement systems and train teachers. His first clients were a group of schools in Florida, where he worked on implementing student government and learner-driven accountability. He has been at Ackman Academy for 10 years, a learner-driven off-the-beaten-path education, and now he is going to other younger schools to share his experience.

Finding Clients as a New Consultant

To find clients, River emailed schools in Florida to see what they were doing and potentially get a teaching job. They eventually invited him to visit for a couple of days to consult. He now seeks out clients with the primary goal of consulting. He targets schools in the Acton Academy domain, as his experience at Acton Academy is not applicable to the general masses. River discusses the unique approach to education that he has developed. He explains that the Acton Academy is a learner-driven model where teachers guide students through their learning process, allowing them to see progress and make decisions. River shares more about the Acton Academy approach and how he sets pricing and payment for his consulting services.

Educational Consulting Services Explained

River discusses more about the Acton Academy approach and his plans for expanding his practice and mentions giving a guaranteed parent speech to every school he visits, which is his journey, how the Acton approach works and why, followed by a Q&A session. River mentions that the Acton Academy is open to different school types, age groups, and staff levels.

The Acton Academy Education in Action

The conversation turns to potential education and structure models that work in the Acton Academy by breaking it down into a range of dimensions. River explains that Acton Academy has small class sizes, with elementary students ranging from 20 to 40 kids, middle school students from sixth to eighth grade, and sixth to eighth graders in the same classroom. Acton Academy runs in person classes with online courses through programs like Khan Academy Newsela, allowing students to work on core curriculars like math and reading in the same space while working at their own pace with their own computer. The first half of the day focuses on individual studies, such as math and reading, while the second half is more project-based electives, such as science engineering or real-world skills. Teachers are known as guides while students take a proactive approach to learning. The older kids are encouraged to tutor and mentor the younger ones, focusing on leadership skills. Extracurricular activities are often outside of the school, as they are often independent of the school. 

Developing a Diagnostic Guide

Will Bachman talks about mentoring in education, which can be divided into four dimensions: student-to-student mentoring, academic progression, and open-ended research programs. He suggests that these dimensions should be mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive, covering all aspects of the educational process. He also mentions the importance of parent involvement and homework and suggests that schools should be assessed based on their maturity model, which includes the maturity of the program, the novice stage, and the developing stage. He mentions that a diagnostic guide could be developed to help identify problems or opportunities. He suggests offering productized offerings, such as a student government module, which can be tailored to the specific needs of the school.

Timestamps:

01:07: Consulting Services and Client Engagement 

02:54: Finding Clients and Initial Projects 

05:07: Contract Negotiation and Pricing 

06:03: Future Plans and Service Offerings 

08:35: Developing Productized Services 

10:24: Acton Academy School Structure and Operations 

16:20: Potential for Productized Services and Diagnostics 

18:43: Conclusion and Contact Information 

Links:

Email: [email protected]. 

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Jenelle Sheridan, a former VP and GM at Athleta, discusses how to analyze a retail company. Jenelle has 15 years of experience in retail and e-commerce, working as a consultant and operating executive. She has experience in pre-revenue startups and larger enterprise businesses, and recently launched her consulting and advisory practice, Far View Partners, which focuses on helping consumer and retail companies unlock growth. Jenelle served on the leadership team at Athleta for almost 10 years, leading strategic growth from a $200 million business to over a billion dollars. She has also held functional roles in marketing, strategy, and business development. 

Metrics to Measure for Success

Jenelle emphasizes the importance of metrics in understanding success and how to look at performance in retail companies. She talks about the importance of evaluating company performance and effectiveness across various stages of maturity. Jenelle emphasizes that success depends on growth metrics like brand awareness, customer acquisition, and revenue growth, while profitability is less critical at emerging retailers. For established retailers, operational efficiencies like inventory turns and return on gross margin are critical.

The Big Three Metrics for Investors

Jenelle states that, regardless of stage of maturity, the big three metrics for investors are same-store sales growth, sales costs, and sales comps. Same-store sales growth measures the change in revenue for stores that have been open for at least a year, helping to isolate organic growth. A strong sales comp metric indicates increasing consumer demand or successful product strategies, while a low or negative rate may signal challenges or market saturation. She explains that best in class sales comps are in the five to seven percent range, the industry average, and discusses the potential consequences of flatlining or decelerating sales comps, such as increased foot traffic, conversion, and basket sizes. Jenelle believes that delivering zero growth is not acceptable for mature brands, as it may not be enough to meet the needs of shareholders and leadership teams. However, if a brand is experiencing flatlining or decelerating sales comps, it is essential to see growth to keep pace with accelerating costs. By focusing on these metrics, retailers can better understand their performance and make informed decisions about their strategies.

Underlying Sales Drivers

The conversation turns to sales and the underlying drivers such as traffic, conversion rate, and transactions. Stores typically have a lower traffic number, but when traffic decreases, the conversion rate increases due to more intentional buyers. The overall basket size is typically the same, but slightly upticks in the basket size are observed. Jenelle explains that public companies typically report store sales growth on traffic and conversion rate, but some brands and retailers report lower-level metrics, such as average customer spending per year. These metrics are often tied more to the customer rather than the transaction level metric.

Gross Margin Metric

Gross margin is another key metric in the big three, reflecting the efficiency with which a retailer manages its costs relative to its sales. High-performing companies use pricing power or efficient supply chains to achieve top-tier margins. She offers a few examples from well-known brands. For example, luxury brands can have margins of 60% and above. Jenelle moves on to break down gross margin, average sales per square foot, and how this usually speaks to efficiency. She explains the key factors in achieving this type of sales efficiency, including turning inventory quickly and pricing correctly. 

A Focus on Inventory Turns

Jenelle explains why retailers need to consider inventory turns, which are the frequency of selling and replacing inventory over a period of time. High turnover indicates well-aligned supply and demand management, while low turnover can indicate inefficiencies or excess inventory. For example, Zara has fast-moving inventory. This is industry-specific and category-dependent. For apparel retailers, performing inventory turn analysis by category helps identify fast-moving versus slower-moving items, allowing for more precise management and buying. Fast-moving categories include basics, while slower-turning categories like luxury and formal wear are typically slower-turning. This helps optimize inventory and capital dollars.

Customer Metrics and Segmentation

Customer metrics are increasingly common for retailers to look at, as they provide an omnichannel view and allow for segmentation based on various customer personas. They can look at new versus existing customers, spend per customer, frequency of purchase, and average price of items within transactions. Jenelle talks about the benefit of looking at the data over a 12-month period and mentions that the goal is to increase spend per customer over time by building the customer's basket based on the breadth of the offering, driving additional visits through frequent product drops or promotions, and pulling levers in a customer-centric way. She mentions that segmenting customers by product category or type of customer can also help drive spending per customer. She offers examples of segmentation and how it can increase customer spend. By looking at data this way, retailers can create tactics to drive spending per customer and improve overall brand health. She explains how Athleta, a women's and girls yoga active brand, uses customer data to understand the percentage of women with girls under 18 in their household. By segmenting data, the brand can identify potential customers who are buying girl products and those who are not yet. By targeting these customers, the brand can develop targeted marketing tactics to encourage them to buy in different divisions or categories. The data can also be used to identify customers who only buy one category and target them in other categories. This data can be used to tailor marketing strategies to specific customers and increase sales.

Marketing and Messaging

Jenelle talks about the importance of maintaining a balance of communication in marketing efforts. She emphasizes the need for testing and optimizing messaging to ensure it is effective and not cluttering the background and offers a few examples. Jenelle adds that businesses should avoid sending discounts too often, as it can teach customers to wait for discounts. By balancing promotions with overall brand health, businesses can improve profitability and brand reputation. She explains the Net Promoter Score (NPS), how it works, and how it can be used as a measure of customer loyalty and brand advocacy, which is typically gathered through surveys. NPS is calculated by taking the percentage of promoters and detractors, dividing them by the percentage of detractors. This helps track brand health and overall sentiment, helping businesses understand how people perceive their brand and its offerings in the marketplace. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining a balance between optimizing for budget, achieving desired sales, and maintaining brand health.

Brand Health Metrics

Jenelle explains the importance of brand health metrics, such as discounting addiction and customer feedback. She uses social listening, third-party research, and bespoke consumer research to understand keywords associated with a brand and how they change over time. She also highlights the value of conducting impromptu focus groups with customers to observe and learn from them. Jenelle mentions the practice of going to stores as leaders for new hires to show support and learn from the volume of customers during key moments, and the importance of staying focused on customer metrics, such as brand awareness and customer acquisition, especially for newer brands or entering new markets. She emphasizes the importance of tracking aided and unaided brand awareness over time and by customer segment to gain a better understanding of the overall brand health. 

Timestamps:

01:10: 15 plus years of experience working in retail and e-commerce

02:56: The big three growth metrics to monitor

06:42: Growth, inflation, and accelerating costs

08:40: Tracking underlying drivers

11:35: Managing cost relative to sales

14:55: Sales per square foot

23:01: Customer segmentation

32:12: Monitoring brand health

Links:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenelle-sheridan/

Website: https://www.farvuepartners.com/

Email: [email protected]

Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.