What if confidence isn’t about being sure of yourself but taking action before you feel ready? In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan explain what confidence means and why it’s linked to feeling in control. Kevin shares a personal breakthrough from a recent speech, while Alan explains how confidence grows through experience—not before it. They also discuss the struggle between self-awareness and self-doubt, why some people overestimate their skills, and how true confidence develops over time.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025: Saturday, April 5th, 2024 (10:00 am to 4:00 pm EST)  - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(3:52) Difference between certainty and control
(6:10) How deeper understanding and tactics work together
(8:01) Confidence in different areas of life
(10:34) How self-belief shapes envy and motivation
(18:16) How confidence shifts as you improve
(21:05) Join Next Level Live: A virtual, immersive event for those committed to growth, meaningful relationships, and a life they love. https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
(23:21) The Dunning-Kruger effect and confidence
(27:52) Confidence Vs. Arrogance
(34:38) Social media myths & the power of rational thinking
(40:45) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

In this episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan break down why feeling unseen is so common and what you can do about it. They discuss the power of vulnerability, why people project their values onto others, and how effective communication can help you be understood. You’ll hear real-life stories, personal insights, and practical strategies to express your needs without feeling judged. If you’ve ever struggled to feel valued for who you truly are, this conversation will give you the tools to change that.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025: Saturday, April 5th, 2024 (10:00 am to 4:00 pm EST)  - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:29) The challenge of expressing your needs
(4:26) How people misinterpret your priorities
(8:02) The struggle between uniqueness & belonging
(15:39) A simple approach to being understood
(21:29) When people try to help but don’t understand
(23:52) Join Next Level Live: A virtual, immersive event for those committed to growth, meaningful relationships, and a life they love. https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
(26:27) Identifying what feeling unseen means to you
(36:57) Why “agree to disagree” doesn’t work in close relationships
(41:28) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

Consistency is tough—especially when life throws curveballs like travel, shifting schedules, or unexpected challenges. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan explain the key to sticking with your habits. They share personal stories, practical strategies, and a powerful “Consistency Star” tool to help you stay on track. Learn why willpower alone isn’t enough, how your environment shapes success, and why letting go of perfection can make all the difference.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025: Saturday, April 5th, 2024 (10:00 am to 4:00 pm EST)  - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:25) The missing piece of consistency
(4:06) The dangers of an all-or-nothing mindset
(6:25) How small adjustments can improve long-term habits
(9:12) The power of identity in staying consistent
(15:18) Why setting up your environment matters more than willpower
(20:01) Join Next Level Live: A virtual, immersive event for those committed to growth, meaningful relationships, and a life they love. https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
(23:39) Letting go of trying to be consistent at everything
(30:26) Practical tips for creating certainty in uncertain situations
(36:38) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

What if the one thing holding you back from real progress is not tracking it? In this episode, Kevin and Alan dive into the power of measurement—how tracking your weight, sleep, finances, or relationship habits can change your results completely. They share personal stories, practical tips, and surprising insights about why some struggle while others succeed. Whether you want to improve your health, build wealth, or strengthen relationships, this episode will challenge you to rethink how you measure success.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025: Saturday, April 5th, 2024 (10:00 am to 4:00 pm EST)  - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(3:39) Daily vs. Weekly weigh-ins: What studies say
(5:45) How measurement drives behavior changes
(7:47) Where to start if you’ve never tracked before
(10:27) Why some people fear measurement
(17:35) The three key metrics for health, wealth, and relationships
(21:13) Join Next Level Live: A virtual, immersive event for those committed to growth, meaningful relationships, and a life they love. https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
(25:08) The danger of miscalculating food intake
(30:25) How successful people use tracking to stay ahead
(40:07) Announcing Next Level Live: What to expect
(42:08) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

In today’s episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros tackle the fear of social judgment and why being known is often a requirement for success. They share insights on handling criticism, building a strong reputation, and pushing past the discomfort of being seen. If fear of judgment has ever held you back, this conversation will give you the clarity and confidence to move forward.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025 - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:31) Can you be wildly successful and unknown?
(4:34) The power of reputation in business
(6:39) Influence and industry recognition
(9:09) Perception, judgment, and the power of influence
(12:45) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(18:56) Facing fear and embracing visibility
(24:29) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

Understanding when to quit pursuing a dream is one of life’s most difficult challenges. In this episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros tackle one of the most complex questions—knowing when to push forward and when to pivot. They break down the difference between passion, purpose, and the vehicle that carries them, helping you figure out if you’re genuinely on the right path or just in the wrong mode of transportation. They also explore regret, fulfillment, and the key questions that can bring clarity to your journey.

The Miracle Question:

“Suppose that while you’re sleeping tonight, a miracle happens. The problems you’ve been facing are suddenly resolved, but because you were asleep, you don’t know this has happened. When you wake up tomorrow, what would be the first sign that tells you something is different? What else would you notice?”

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:02) The hard truth about quitting a dream
(4:45) Passion, purpose, and profit explained
(6:08) Are you quitting your dream or just the vehicle?
(10:22) A simple exercise to know if you’re on the right path
(13:07) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(17:19) Are you afraid to lose, or do you not want to win?
(19:42) Would you still do this if you won $100 million?
(21:04) How to reverse-engineer regret
(22:30) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

Do you really need to be all in to succeed? Some people say you can’t win unless you give everything, while others find success juggling different passions. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan talk about what “all in” actually means, why it’s different for everyone, and how to decide the right level of commitment for your goals. Whether aiming for the top or looking to improve, this conversation will challenge your thoughts about dedication, effort, and success.

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(3:19) Levels of commitment and realistic expectations
(5:32) How context affects effort and success
(7:52) The difference between dabbling and mastery
(12:18) Why top achievers don’t spread themselves too thin
(14:26) Are you truly all in or just doing enough?
(17:09) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy:  https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(20:11) The drive to push past comfort
(23:38) Frustration, expectations, and self-belief
(28:46) Success and commitment—what’s the right balance?
(30:21) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

In this episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros uncover the deeper motivations behind why we set goals and how understanding them can create lasting success. Whether fitness, finances, or relationships, a hidden reason drives our ambitions. They discuss how insecurities, self-worth, and past experiences shape our desires and how recognizing these patterns can lead to personal breakthroughs. Tune in to discover the real reason behind your goals and how to use that knowledge to push yourself further.

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025 - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
Next Level Group Coaching, April 3rd (For podcasters looking to grow) - https://bit.ly/4eE5RF5

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:17) Success requires staying humble
(3:43) Why do we set goals
(5:29) Understanding personal motivations
(8:30) Insecurity as a growth driver
(14:08) The impact of self-worth on success
(18:43) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(20:18) How our childhood shapes our goals
(23:59) Setting goals with deeper meaning
(30:53) Self-esteem and goal setting
(31:28) Action step: Write down 10+ reasons
(35:54) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

Understanding is a spectrum. In today’s episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros break down the difference between functional vs. systemic understanding—why knowing how to do something isn’t the same as knowing why it works. They explore how deep curiosity, experience, and asking the right questions can shift you from passive learning to true mastery.

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:56) The power of curiosity in success
(5:50) Functional vs. systemic understanding
(9:33) Learning through experience and troubleshooting
(14:26) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we're giving tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://bit.ly/4dPeTiD
(17:31) Mastery through repetition and adaptation
(24:49) Shifting from autopilot to control
(26:21) Where do you need to be a student?
(26:56) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

What if the key to success was believing in yourself more? Kevin and Alan reflect on their journey in this special 2,000th episode of Next Level University, sharing their most significant lessons. They talk about the importance of self-belief, the power of small, consistent actions, and why pushing through fear is essential for growth. This episode is packed with real talk, personal stories, and insights that will help you stay committed to your goals—no matter how big or small. If you’ve ever doubted your potential, this one’s for you!

Learn more about:
Next Level Live 2025 - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
Next Level Group Coaching, April 3rd (For podcasters looking to grow) - https://bit.ly/4eE5RF5

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(3:28) Reflecting on 2,000 episodes & gratitude
(6:01) Why self-improvement is a game changer
(10:48) Growth is a step-by-step journey
(15:26) Overcoming imposter syndrome
(25:48) The four rules of success
(31:00) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we’re giving tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://bit.ly/4dPeTiD
(45:20) Fear chasing: The key to confidence
(53:06) Internal growth drives external success
(58:17) Keep taking small steps
(1:00:08) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

In today’s episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros discuss the harsh but necessary truths about goal-setting and discipline and why most people quit before they reach success. They explore the three biggest obstacles and share practical strategies for overcoming them. They also discuss the balance between hard work and celebration, ensuring that one’s goals align with one’s desired life.

Learn more about:
Next Level Dreamliner: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
Next Level Live 2025 - https://bit.ly/4aTwC7Q
Free 30-minute Coaching Call with Alan - https://bit.ly/4f3MSUz

_____________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, please check out our website at the link below. 👇

Website 💻  http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

_______________________

Any of these communities or resources are FREE to join and consume
Next Level Nation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/459320958216700
Next Level 5 To Thrive (free course) - ​​https://bit.ly/3xffver
Next Level U Book Club - https://bit.ly/3BQBYDr

_______________________

We love connecting with you guys! Reach out on Instagram, Facebook, or via email. We’re here to support you in your personal and professional development journey.

Instagram 📷
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook ✍
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email 💬
[email protected]
[email protected]

LinkedIn ✍
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(4:01) The bigger the goal, the bigger the struggle
(8:16) Why so few people achieve their goals
(12:29) The loneliness of big goals
(15:27) The power of thinking long-term
(19:39) Setting goals that align with your values
(22:40) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we're giving tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://bit.ly/4dPeTiD
(26:50) Delaying gratification and the reward paradox
(35:20) Celebration Vs. Distraction—what actually works?
(42:50) Why growing up changes how we see success
(44:31) Outro 

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!