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Jesuitical

Jesuitical

America Media

A podcast for young Catholics from America Media. Join us each week for a smart, Catholic take on faith, culture and the news (often over drinks).

  • 38 minutes 11 seconds
    Pope Leo XIV: Is he changing the papacy or restoring order?

    Jesuitical’s co-host Zac Davis is joined by America's Vatican correspondent, Colleen Dulle, and executive editor Sebastian Gomes to assess the first year of Pope Leo XIV’s ministry as Bishop of Rome. They discuss Leo’s style, priorities and to what degree is continuing Pope Francis’ reforming agenda.

    00:00 Pope Leo's first year

    1:56 Can Pope Leo be claimed by the left or the right?

    5:45 Is Pope Leo continuing Pope Francis' agenda?

    13:30 Pope Leo's style

    19:42 Women and sexuality

    23:18 Is church unity the priority?

    27:45 Pope Leo's appeals for peace

    Links:

    Pope Leo at year one: The progress of an American pope

    Pope Leo’s powerful lesson in vulnerable leadership

    Trump, Pope Leo, William F. Buckley and John XXIII: An overview of Popes and Politics in America

    Pope Leo remembers ‘the great gift’ of Pope Francis on the first anniversary of his death

    Pope Leo denounces those who use the name God for military gain

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    7 May 2026, 4:00 am
  • 54 minutes 33 seconds
    Pope Leo on same-sex blessings; and is Easter harder than Lent?

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac talk to Laura Kelly Fanucci, author of Living Easter: 50 Days to Practice Resurrection. Together, they discuss the tendency among Christians to overlook the 50-day Easter season, as well as Laura’s personal experiences and struggles practicing resurrection.

    In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac speak with James Martin, S.J., editor at large for America, to unpack Pope Leo’s recent comments about blessings for same-sex couples and the church’s teaching on sexual morality.

    And in As One Friend Speaks to Another, Ashley shares her experience taking on a new role at America and the graces that it has brought her.

    00:00 Is Easter harder than Lent?

    2:05 German bishops to bless same-sex couples

    6:00 How Pope Leo responded

    9:20 Church unity and sexual morality

    12:43 Is the church at an impasse?

    15:20 Is the Easter season too long?

    18:34 How to practice Easter-ing

    26:29 Resurrection stories to learn from

    30:57 Resurrecting Pentecost

    34:52 Uniting suffering to Christ

    41:13 Grief, scars and resurrection in Minneapolis

    48:20 Faith sharing

     Links

    Order Laura’s new book, Living Easter: 50 Days to Practice Resurrection

    Pope Leo speaks on same-sex blessings, migration and more on plane back to Rome

    Remarks on sexual ethics highlight Pope Leo’s pastoral priorities

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    30 April 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    Is the Gen-Z religious revival real or hype?

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Ryan Burge, author of the “Graphs about Religion” Substack and the new book, The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us. They discuss the polarization of U.S. Christianity and the supposed Gen-Z “religious revival.”

    In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss some highlights from Pope Leo’s trip to Africa; what Pope Leo called the not-exactly-accurate media narrative around him and President Trump; and the first anniversary of Pope Francis’ death.

    00:00 A Gen-Z religious revival? 3:38 Highlights of Pope Leo's trip to Africa 10:05 VP Vance questions Pope Leo's theology 20:37 Remembering Pope Francis 22:50 Moderate Christianity is vanishing 25:49 U.S. religion is coded "conservative" 34:54 Catholic demographic trends 37:15 Political implications 40:53 Are young people going back to church? 48:18 Winner churches 52:56 Gen-Z religious trads 1:04:08 Faith Sharing: Pope Francis' humble tomb

    Links:

    ⁠Order Ryan’s book, The Vanishing Church⁠

    ⁠Graphs about Religion⁠

    ⁠Pope Leo walks in the footsteps of St. Augustine in Hippo⁠

    ⁠Pope Leo denounces those who use the name God for military gain⁠

    ⁠Pope Leo named one of Time magazine’s ‘100 Most Influential People of 2026’⁠

    ⁠Pope Leo remembers ‘the great gift’ of Pope Francis on the first anniversary of his death⁠

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    23 April 2026, 3:26 pm
  • 59 minutes 17 seconds
    President Trump won’t win his battle with Pope Leo

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with John Carr, founder of Georgetown University’s Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life.

    In “Signs of the Times,” a cross-promotion of America’s roundtable discussion between Ashley, Sam Sawyer, S.J., the president and editor in chief, and Colleen Dulle, Vatican correspondent and co-host of “Inside the Vatican,” on President Trump’s unprecedented social media attack on Pope Leo XIV.

    00:00 President Trump's words for Pope Leo

    1:55 Pope Leo's criticism of war

    3:14 Pope Leo's response to Trump

    5:26 U.S. Bishops respond to Trump

    6:22 Reactions to Trump's tirade

    8:03 Did Trump influence Leo's election?

    11:00 Don't take the President's bait

    14:40 Impact on U.S.-Vatican relations

    19:10 John Carr wanted to be a priest and a senator

    21:25 Catholic teaching on mass deportations

    30:32 Catholic social teaching is a long, reliable tradition

    37:05 Is social justice redeemable?

    47:10 How money influences Catholic priorities

    50:13 First impressions of Pope Leo

     Links for further reading: 

    John Carr: Lessons from 50 years at the intersection of Catholic social teaching and public life

    Reactions: President Trump lashes out at Pope Leo XIV

    Trump is trying to distract us from Pope Leo’s calls for peace. Don’t take the bait.

    Trump lambasts Pope Leo: ‘I’m not a fan.’

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    16 April 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    Pope Leo’s first Holy Week and Easter in a world at war

    This week on a special crossover episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Colleen Dulle, host of the “Inside the Vatican” podcast, speak with Gerard O’Connell, America’s senior Vatican correspondent, and his wife Elisabetta Piqué about co-writing The Election of Pope Leo XIV: The Last Surprise of Pope Francis.

    In “Signs of the Times,” Ashley and guest host Sebastian break down Pope Leo’s first Holy Week and how it was shaped by the conflict between the United States and Iran. They also discuss astronaut Victor Glover, the pilot of the Artemis II mission, and his Easter message from space. 

    Finally, in “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Ashley and Sebastian talk about how the death and resurrection of Christ can help us understand and live through the extremes of this past week’s news—the threat of Iran’s total destruction and the new heights reached by humanity in space.

     Links:

    The Election of Pope Leo XIV: The Last Surprise of Pope Francis, by Gerard O’Connell and Elisabetta Pique

    Excerpt: Behind the scenes of Pope Leo XIV’s election

    Pope Leo praises U.S.-Iran ceasefire as ‘sign of genuine hope,’ presses for peace

    Pope Leo: Trump’s threat to destroy Iran ‘truly unacceptable’

    What photos from the Artemis II astronauts say to us in a time of war

    Artemis astronaut: Moon mission inspires wonder, prayer and unity

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    9 April 2026, 4:00 am
  • 40 minutes 51 seconds
    Catholic women react to the Vatican’s report on women’s leadership

    In March 2026, the Vatican’s doctrine office released its final report on women’s participation in the life and leadership of the Catholic Church. The report brings to a close the two-year work of Study Group 5, which, as part of the Synod on Synodality, was tasked with studying women’s ministries and leadership. In this special roundtable conversation, editors at America magazine discuss the report’s content and proposals, and ask if the document changes the status quo for women in the Catholic Church.

    Featuring:

    Ashley McKinless, executive editor and co-host of the “Jesuitical” podcast

    Kerry Weber, executive editor

    Colleen Dulle, Vatican correspondent and co-host of the “Inside the Vatican” podcast

    Molly Cahill, associate editor


    0:00 The Vatican’s final report on women and ministry

    4:23 Women’s reactions to the report

    11:28 New ministries for women?

    20:05 The horizons and limits of women’s authority

    30:30 Will women be involved in decision-making?

    Links:

    ⁠The final synod report on women: what it says, what it means and what’s next⁠

    ⁠Where the women deacons question stands at the Vatican⁠

    ⁠Full Report of Study Group 5 on “The Participation of Women in the Life and Leadership of the Church⁠”

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    2 April 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 12 minutes
    Bishop Michael Martin on making disciples, Charlotte’s growth and liturgy debates

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Bishop Michael Martin, O.F.M. Conv., of the Diocese of Charlotte. Bishop Martin sparked headlines in 2025 when a document leaked with plans to restrict the Latin Mass and other liturgical practices in his diocese.

    Ashley, Zac and Bishop Martin discuss:

    - His pastoral priorities as bishop of Charlotte

    - Changes to the celebration of the Latin Mass in his diocese

    - How he approaches his outspoken critics within his community—and online

    In “Signs of the Times,” Ashley and Zac discuss the recent sexual abuse allegations against Cesar Chavez; Pope Leo’s call for bishops to come to Rome for a meeting on the family in October 2026; and a Belgian bishop who said he will “make every effort” to ordain married men as priests by the year 2028. Finally, in light of Easter coming up, Zac and Ashley talk about the pope’s favorite candy, Peeps!

    Finally, in “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Ashley talks about her experience inadvertently unplugging on a recent trip and the spiritual freedom found from it.

     Links for further reading: 

    How the cover-up of Cesar Chavez’s abuse mirrored the clergy sex abuse crisis

    What you need to know about Pope Leo’s October meeting on marriage and family

    Belgian bishop says he will ‘make every effort’ to ordain married men by 2028


    You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.  

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    26 March 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 8 minutes
    How to walk the mystical path (Hint: you’re already on it)

    This week on a special episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley, Zac and Jesuitical producer Sebastian have a conversation with Dr. James Finley about first-half-of-life mysticism. Jim is a clinical psychologist and faculty member at the Center for Action and Contemplation where he teaches and writes on the Christian mystical tradition. He’s also the host of the podcast, ‘Turning to the Mystics.’

    0:00 A special episode on mysticism

    3:00 How Jim Finley discovered monasteries

    12:00 An introduction to interior prayer

    22:48 Where to start

    24:30 How to stay patient

    28:40 When life gets busy

    34:48 Cultivating silence in your life

    39:50 Finding God in trauma

    41:45 Trusting your own experiences of God

    48:00 Is God really inside of us?

    51:00 Where mysticism and formal religion intersect

    56:15 Does mystical experience relativize religion?

    Links for further reading: 

    Jim’s podcast, “Turning to the Mystics with James Finley”

    The Center for Action and Contemplation

    Merton's Palace of Nowhere

    The Healing Path: A Memoir and an Invitation


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    19 March 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    U.S. culture has a contempt problem

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Timothy Shriver, chairman of Special Olympics and founder of the nonprofit UNITE, which incubated the Dignity Index, a language evaluation tool that aims to bring greater dignity to our public discourse.

    0:00 Welcome back Zac Davis!

    2:35 A new papal nuncio to the U.S.A.

    6:27 Cardinals respond to Iran war

    9:04 Synod report on women released

    10:27 Tim Shriver's holy family

    13:04 What is the dignity index?

    18:57 Contempt is the problem

    24:00 What's your dignity score?

    30:52 What dignity really means

    38:20 Responding to contempt with dignity

    46:00 How to do it

    51:48 Is the Catholic Church a model?

    54:32 Influence of Pope Leo XIV

    58:50 Updates and faith sharing

     Links for further reading: 

    Pope Leo appoints Archbishop Caccia as nuncio to the United States

    Iran’s Cardinal Mathieu evacuated to Rome

    Pope Leo expresses ‘deep sorrow’ for Lebanese Maronite Catholic priest killed by Israeli tank fire

    Final synod report on women’s leadership does not address female diaconate

    The Dignity Index

    Need a Lift? With Tim Shriver

    You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.  

    You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical. 

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    12 March 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 15 minutes
    Just or unjust? Catholics respond to the Iran war

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley sits down with America’s chief correspondent, Kevin Clarke, to discuss the widening conflict with Iran and whether the U.S. intervention in the conflict can be justified under just war theory.

    Then, we re-share one of our favorite interviews from last year: a conversation with Jamie Baxter, the founder & C.E.O. of Exodus 90. The program, which helps men to strengthen their faith through prayer, asceticism and fraternity, faced some early skepticism from some in the church—and the “Jesuitical” team—that gave way to greater understanding and valuable innovation. 

     Links for further reading: 

    Against Unjust and Unjustified War with Iran

    I regret supporting the Iraq War. We shouldn’t repeat our mistakes in Iran now.

    Cardinal Parolin on Iran war: ‘The force of law has been replaced by the law of force’

    Lebanese archbishop: Innocents are ‘paying the price’ of Middle East war

    Pope Leo urges a halt to ‘spiral of violence’ across Iran and Middle East

    Sorrow, shock for Catholics in Middle East as US and Israel strike Iran amid negotiations

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    6 March 2026, 5:00 am
  • 46 minutes 20 seconds
    Father James Martin on the summer jobs that shaped him

    This week on a special, interview-only episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and guest host Sebastian talk with James Martin, S.J., editor at large for America, about his new memoir Work in Progress: Confessions of a busboy, dishwasher, caddy, usher, factory worker, bank teller, corporate tool, and priest. 

    Ashley, Sebastian and Father Jim discuss:

    • The differences in writing an autobiography vs. a book on prayer

    • Balancing ambition and meaning

    • Jim’s eventual decision to choose a life and career in the Jesuits

     Links for further reading: 

    • Buy Father Jim’s book here

    • Father James Martin: Lessons from mowing lawns, riding bikes and a fateful walk to school

    • Check out the book’s Spotify playlist here

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    Timecodes

    0:00 Jim Martin has a new book: “Work in Progress”

    2:13 Why Jim decided to write an autobiography on his jobs

    8:19 The importance of menial labor and service 

    11:45 Getting free of our desire to be liked and popular

    16:36 How Jim learned to distinguish ambition v. meaning

    21:14 The impact of Thomas Merton on Jim’s spiritual life

    25:30 Jim’s first mystical experience in the beauty of nature

    35:36 Called to the Jesuits

    42:15 Jim would canonize Fr. Greg Boyle, S.J.


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    27 February 2026, 5:00 am
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