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Jesuitical

Jesuitical

America Media

A podcast for young Catholics from America Media. Join us each week for a smart, Catholic take on faith, culture and the news (often over drinks).

  • 45 minutes 19 seconds
    French Catholicism Reborn? What happened on Pope Leo’s visit to France (and why it matters for all of us)

    This week on Jesuitical, Colleen Dulle joins hosts Zac Davis and Sebasian Gomes to discuss Pope Leo’s recent visit to France, including his messages on assisted dying, European identity and the role of the Catholic Church in a secular country. Colleen also reflects on her experience of traveling with the pope for the first time.

    ⁠Sign up for Colleen’s newsletter, Vatican Notebook⁠!


    Chapters:

    00:00 First time on the papal plane!

    4:02 Why Pope Leo went to France

    6:45 Catholic revival?

    9:43 Secularity in France

    14:02 Pro-life issues in France

    17:57 Is Europe a "Christian" culture?

    24:55 Pope meets abuse victims

    34:08 Liturgy and division

    Links:

    • ⁠Pope Leo’s trip to France won’t be a victory lap—and that’s a good thing.⁠

    • ⁠Vatican Notebook: Pope Leo navigates tensions between secularism and Catholic history on France visit⁠

    • ⁠‘More than a monument’: Pope Leo’s speech at the newly renovated Notre-Dame⁠

    • ⁠Pope Leo draws 800,000 to Mass in the heart of Paris⁠

    • ⁠Vatican Notebook: Pope Leo addresses French conversion boom, warns against complacency⁠

    • ⁠Pope speaks out against French assisted-dying and abortion laws in Lourdes visit⁠

    • ⁠Mother: Pope Leo’s blessing of special-needs daughter recognizes ‘segment of humanity often set aside’⁠

    • ⁠Pope Leo meets with survivors of abuse in Lourdes⁠

    • ⁠Pope Leo: Europe must return to path of dialogue, not military buildup⁠

    • ⁠Pope Leo is not ‘in panic mode’ about an A.I. catastrophe, but ‘we can’t just sit back’ and do nothing⁠

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    1 October 2026, 4:00 am
  • 47 minutes 54 seconds
    Fulton Sheen: The First Celebrity Bishop

    This week on the “Jesuitical” podcast, Ashley McKinless and Zac Davis speak with Rachel Lu about the beatification of Fulton Sheen, the American archbishop who was famous for his media evangelism in the mid-20th century. Rachel is a senior editor at Law and Liberty and a regular contributor to the National Review and America Magazine. Together they discuss Sheen’s charisma, cultural influence, and his lesser known political philosophy which defended both the public role of religion and the separation of church and state.  

    Chapters:

    Chapters:

    00:00 Beatification of Fulton Sheen

    01:23 When Fulton Sheen arrived on the scene

    05:20 Sheen’s philosophical training

    07:34 Fighting communism

    11:22 What made Sheen’s TV show so popular?

    13:51 What Sheen would think of America today?

    26:09 The first celebrity bishop?

    34:19 Introducing "Auguri!"

    36:15 Faith sharing: Praying about using A.I.

    Links from the show:

    Fulton Sheen Bet on America. Some Catholics Want to Call It Off.

    Pope Leo calls Archbishop Fulton Sheen ‘a light of faith’ who touched millions with the Gospel

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen to be beatified Sept. 24 in St. Louis

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    24 September 2026, 4:00 am
  • 41 minutes 37 seconds
    U.S. Bishops are finding their voice. What will they say about A.I.?

    On this week’s episode of “Jesuitical,” Zac Davis and Sebastian Gomes speak with America’s President and Editor in Chief, Sam Sawyer, S.J. to discuss the impact that U.S. bishops are having on politics, AI, and more. Bishops are speaking out against war, mass deportations, the death penalty and racism, and their voices are breaking through. In this episode, Zac, Sebastian and Sam talk about why they’re having a moment, the influence of Pope Leo, and the opportunities for shaping the future of A.I.

    Chapters:

    00:00 Growing influence of Bishops on US politics

    04:35 Opposing mass deportation 

    10:30 Engaging with the Trump Administration

    14:05 Bishops are finding new ways to talk about issues

    18:00 The influence of Pope Leo

    22:43 Where Bishops stand on A.I.

    29:54 How U.S. Bishops can implement Magnifica humanitas

    32:55 Opportunities around A.I.


    Links: 

    The U.S. bishops are speaking out forcefully on politics—and finally being heard

    Top US bishop writes letter to Trump urging end to mass deportations of Haitians

    Why are there so few African American bishops? ‘The short answer is racism’ says Bishop Boxie

    Bishop Olson on racism

    US bishops form new task force over AI concerns, meet with tech leaders

    Pope Francis to U.S. Catholic bishops: Oppose mass deportations

    Analysis: The U.S. bishops showed their unity on behalf of immigrants—and may have repaired their relationship to Rome

    Artificial Intelligence: United States Conference of Catholic Bishops 

    USCCB Positions on Artificial Intelligence

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    17 September 2026, 4:00 am
  • 59 minutes 8 seconds
    SSPX Excommunicated: History, Pope Leo and why it all goes back to Vatican II

    Schisms don’t happen often in the Catholic Church. Which makes Pope Leo’s recent excommunication of the Society of Saint Pius X big news. This week on Jesuitical, hosts Zac and Ashley speak to Shaun Blanchard, Senior Lecturer in Theology at the University of Notre Dame Australia, about the history of the SSPX, their illicit decision to ordain new bishops, and what their excommunication means for more traditional groups within the Catholic Church.

    Chapters:

    00:00 Why we're talking about the SSPX

    01:42 Why the SSPX was excommunicated

    04:55 Why Archbishop Lefebvre rejected Vatican II

    9:38 Lefebvre's problem with religious liberty

    14:20 Was this a debate over liturgy?

    18:00 Ordaining bishops crosses a line

    21:33 How 17th c. Jansenism illuminates the crisis

    28:45 Restricting the traditional Latin Mass

    35:05 How excommunication works

    38:52 Implications for the traditional Latin Mass

    47:16 There's no going back on Vatican II

    49:48 Learning to appreciate Vatican II

    Links: 

    Vatican declares excommunicated SSPX bishops, warns priests and lay faithful of schism

    Analysis: SSPX excommunications show what Pope Leo means by church ‘unity’

    After SSPX excommunications, traditionalist Catholics face a difficult choice

    5 years after Pope Francis’ Latin Mass restrictions, traditionalist Catholics reflect on ‘Traditionis Custodes’

    After SSPX schism, some Catholics urge greater access to the older Latin Mass

    Latin Mass, schism and cardinals in the media: The liturgy wars are back (and never really left)


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    10 September 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 14 minutes
    Pope Leo and Trump aren’t the first feuding leaders: a history of papal power clashes

    When President Trump took to Truth Social earlier this year and attacked Pope Leo for being “WEAK on Crime, and terrible for Foreign Policy,” most Catholics were understandably shocked. But a clash between a secular leader and the bishop of Rome is hardly without precedent. This week on “Jesuitical,” hosts Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless talk with Miles Pattendens, an expert on popes and papal conclaves, about the long and quirky history of feuds between popes and politicians.

    In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss the Vatican rejection of a request from the German bishops to allow lay people to preach the homily at Mass. Plus, a look ahead at Pope Leo’s summer plans. 

    And in As One Friends Speak to Another, America Media’s O’Hare fellows—Brigid McCabe, Ed Desciak and Will Gualitiere—share some spiritual insights from a year working at the intersection of the church and the world. 

    Jesuitical listener survey

    00:00 Context 2:47 Vatican says "no" to women preaching 12:07 Pope Leo's summer schedule 16:05 History of Catholic authority 19:46 The investiture controversy 26:03 Pastoral concern or power grabs? 34:27 Henry VIII vs. Popes 39:20 How the church lost power 43:10 Moral authority on the global stage 52:00 Donald Trump's attacks on Pope Leo 1:00:10 Fill out our listener survey! https://forms.gle/yggZcBKeXYKbWYpM7 1:01:12 Faith sharing with our Fellows! Learn about America Magazine's Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J., Postgraduate Media Fellowship: https://www.americamagazine.org/ohare-fellows Jesuitical listener survey: https://forms.gle/yggZcBKeXYKbWYpM7

    Links:

    Vatican to German bishops: No lay people preaching homilies at Mass

    Extraordinary consistory signals Pope Leo’s push to work with cardinals on global challenges

    Pope Leo speaks out on SSPX ordinations and U.S.-Iran deal

    Pope Leo to accept Liberty Medal and address Americans on July 3

    Electing the Pope in Early Modern Italy, 1450-1700


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    25 June 2026, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 12 minutes
    What the Lost Sheep parable says about individuality, tribalism and communion

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley sit down with Luke Burgis, the director of the Cluny Institute at The Catholic University of America and the author of The One and the Ninety-Nine: Forging Identity in the Age of Social Contagion. They discuss why we join and leave tribes, how to form a “solid” self and what healthy group identity looks like. In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss Vice President JD Vance’s new memoir on converting to Catholicism, the consecration of the United States to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and new statutes for the Vatican’s commission for the protection of minors. Plus, Pope Leo wraps up his successful trip to Spain on the Canary Islands—but has some trouble getting off them. And in As One Friend Speaks to Another, Zac shares what he’s thinking about going into his very first Father’s Day. 0:00 Intro 3:30 J.D. Vance’s new book “Communion” 9:36 U.S. bishops meet for annual meeting in Orlando 19:44 Pope Leo finishes Spain trip 21:39 Papal plane trouble 24:25 Interview with Luke Burgis 25:52 The parable of the lost sheep 31:16 The age of social contagion 33:56 What Luke learned in seminary 38:05 Is your community good for you? 42:27 People respond to aesthetics 46:30 The importance of distance 48:46 The Catholic Church is unique as a community 57:20 What is the Cluny Institute? 1:02:25 What about AI? 1:05:24 Canonization 1:08:07 As One Friend Speaks to Another


    Links:

    The One and the Ninety-Nine: Forging Identity in the Age of Social Contagion

    Learn more about the Cluny Institute

    JD Vance writes about his journey to Catholicism in his new book, ‘Communion’

    Consecration 101: What the bishops’ upcoming consecration of the US to the Sacred Heart means

    Pope Leo XIV approves new statutes for child protection commission

    Pope Leo ends visit to Spain with a call to repent


    What’s on tap?

    Sancerre


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    18 June 2026, 4:00 am
  • 55 minutes 58 seconds
    What is it like to teach a future Pope?

    This week on “Jesuitical”, Ashley McKinless and Zac Davis talk to Dianne Bergant, C.S.A.,  who taught Scripture at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago for 44 years. She also served as America’s Word columnist from 2002 to 2005. During her time at CTU, Sr. Dianne had one very famous student, Robert Prevost—the future Pope Leo XIV. With Sr. Dianne, Zac and Ashley discuss what it’s like to be the teacher of a future pope and how approaches to teaching Scripture have evolved over time.

    During Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac unpack Pope Leo’s trip to Spain and a new Sagrada Familia Lego Set, and they talk sports with Catholic perspectives on the World Cup and NBA Finals—featuring some words from O’Hare Fellow Ed Desciak. 

    In “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Ashley shares an exciting announcement.

    Links from the show:

    • Pope Leo defends the unborn and migrants in historic speech to Spanish parliament

    • More than one million attend Pope Leo’s Mass and procession in the heart of Madrid

    • Pope Leo meets Bad Bunny in Madrid

    • In Spain, Pope Leo denounces polarization and hails commitment to multilateralism

    • Lego announces new set designed after Spain’s Sagrada Família basilica

    • Oligarchs can’t ruin the World Cup 

    • Celebrating faith and FIFA: Italian-American community welcomes soccer legends

    • Your Catholic Guide to the 2026 N.B.A. Finals: Spurs Sisters vs. Villanova Knicks

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    11 June 2026, 5:45 pm
  • 53 minutes 26 seconds
    The Archdiocese of New York's Good News Strategy

    This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley speak with Mary Kate Polanin, the executive editor of The Good Newsroom, the digital news outlet of the Archdiocese of New York. They discuss the important and changing role of diocesan communications, Catholics in the digital space and New York’s new archbishop.

    In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss Pope Leo’s surprising and historic choice to lead the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication and dig into the advice “Magnifica Humanitas” offers to each of us when it comes to navigating our relationship with A.I. Plus: Pope Leo heads to Spain on Saturday—and Bad Bunny is hoping they cross paths. 

    Links from the show:

    Pope Leo appoints president of EWTN News as head of Vatican communications

    America’s coverage of “Magnifica Humanitas”

    Bad Bunny wants to meet Pope Leo XIV. In Madrid, a crossover event is in the works.

    The Good Newsroom

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    4 June 2026, 4:00 am
  • 47 minutes
    Should the church encourage Catholic influencers?

    On this bonus episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with two digital evangelization experts who helped create the Vatican’s study group report on the digital environment as part of the Synod on Synodality. Kim Daniels directs the Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life at Georgetown University, and José Manuel de Urquidi runs the Evangelization Lab. Both were synod delegates, along with then-Cardinal Robert Prevost (the future Pope Leo XIV), at the global sessions of the synod in Rome in 2023 and 2024. 

    They discuss:

    00:00 What are the Synod Study Groups?

    7:10 How Pope Leo has shaped synodality

    15:16 How influencers challenge church jurisdiction

    28:30 Accompanying digital evangelizers

    33:40 Converting to real communities

    Links:

    Study Group 3’s final report on the Digital Environment

    The Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life

    Evangelization Lab

    Coverage of Pope Leo’s encyclical “Magnifica Humanitas”

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    2 June 2026, 4:00 am
  • 41 minutes 58 seconds
    Pope Leo's A.I. encyclical: Top takeaways from “Magnifica Humanitas”

    This week on Jesuitical: A feed drop of this week's special “Inside the Vatican” roundtable, a discussion of “Magnifica Humanitas,” Pope Leo’s groundbreaking first encyclical on protecting the human person in the age of artificial intelligence. Host Colleen Dulle sits down with her co-host and senior Vatican correspondent, Gerard O’Connell, as well as America’s president and editor in chief, Sam Sawyer, S.J.

    They discuss the document’s key takeaways, how it is being received in Silicon Valley, Pope Leo’s challenge for every Catholic in the A.I. age and much more. 


    Chapters:

    • 0:00 Intro

    • 1:11 Pope Leo present for the launch of his own encyclical

    • 4:21 How the encyclical is being received by the tech community

    • 8:43 Magnifica Humanitas on the growth of Catholic social teaching

    • 13:16 Acknowledging the Church’s role in slavery

    • 15:53 Exploring Pope Leo’s ecclesiology

    • 22:30 Leo’s concrete recommendations for A.I.

    • 32:30 How lay people can deal with A.I.

    • 37:40 Outro

    Links:

    • Read “Magnifica Humanitas”

    • Pope Leo’s first encyclical tackles A.I., power and human dignity

    • Pope Leo XIV makes historic apology for the Catholic Church’s role in legitimizing slavery

    • Why Pope Leo’s new encyclical quotes Gandalf: Literary images of hope and faith in ‘Magnifica Humanitas’

    • A capitalist (priest) reads ‘Magnifica Humanitas’

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    28 May 2026, 9:30 pm
  • 47 minutes 20 seconds
    How Catholics became obsessed with sex (and rules)

    This week on the “Jesuitical” podcast, Ashley McKinless and Zac Davis speak to theologian and legal scholar Cathleen Kaveny about why Catholics seem obsessed with questions of sexual morality. They were prompted to dig into the historical development of Catholic sexual ethics after Pope Leo said in a press conference, “We tend to think that when the church is talking about morality, that the only issue of morality is sexual. And in reality, I believe there are much greater, more important issues…”

    00:00 Leo's comments on sexual morality

    4:08 What Scripture says

    6:05 How Catholic teaching developed

    9:30 What is "natural law"?

    16:37 How Catholics became obsessed with sex

    20:26 JPII's "theology of the body"

    24:41 Sex and justice

    28:50 Sex, confession and salvation

    36:35 A healthy approach to sex

    Links:

    Pope Leo speaks on same-sex blessings, migration and more on plane back to Rome

    Heaven and hell in post-Vatican II Catholicism: How to move from fear to love

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    21 May 2026, 4:00 am
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